No..... The pricing for Blu Ray is insuriing it succeeds. Quality players cost a bit more. HD DVD has a long way to go on that one......
I own both, and the quality is the same. I'd actually say the HD DVD players are better then the Samsung 1000 and the Sony's, and equal to my 94HD. I haven't had real issues with any of my players, except my Pioneer likes to reboot if I try to play a file off my network and it does get it for some reason. The discs I own also seem to have equal quality and are improving at the same rate (the new Fifth Element and Hot Fuzz are markedly improved over early titles). I really hate that you've gone BluBlind again.

I'll have to go out and have a life in a bit so this may be my last post for the day.

PS3 sell is going up thru the roof after the price drop and games coming for Q4 are actually very good and will attract more people to the PS3.

I KNEW IT. You're saying that new release does not matter? How naive?

Oh, haven't you heard? Netflix is going under and have you search BB online. They don't even have a category for HD-DVD while they do for Blu-ray.

?

I'll have to go out and have a life in a bit so this may be my last post for the day.

PS3 sell is going up thru the roof after the price drop and games coming for Q4 are actually very good and will attract more people to the PS3.

I KNEW IT. You're saying that new release does not matter? How naive?

Oh, haven't you heard? Netflix is going under and have you search BB online. They don't even have a category for HD-DVD while they do for Blu-ray.

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I own both, and the quality is the same. I'd actually say the HD DVD players are better then the Samsung 1000 and the Sony's, and equal to my 94HD. I haven't had real issues with any of my players, except my Pioneer likes to reboot if I try to play a file off my network and it does get it for some reason. The discs I own also seem to have equal quality and are improving at the same rate (the new Fifth Element and Hot Fuzz are markedly improved over early titles). I really hate that you've gone BluBlind again.


Slim,

Glad you noticed. I will disclose what I have been up to......

If you haven't figured it out, I decided that the inane HD DVD fanboy posts were too much to bear any more..... The Paramount decision went to their head and increased the veracity of the HD DVD fanboys posts.


....so.....



For fun, I decided to temporarily morph into 3 or 4 of the my favorite HD DVD fanboys, make similar outrageous, unsubstantiated, biased posts that support their opposite format (pro-Blu Ray).

So, if you think my posts are way over the top, I apparently have made my point. My posts are equally outrageous compared with the like HD DVD fanboy posts. Things have become so crazy around here that I decided to make HD DVD fanboy like posts for Blu ray.

So, if you feel my posts over the last 3 weeks have been absolutely insane, then you will see what folks have to deal around here with fanboy posts from the Tier 0 HD DVD fanboys (RDJAM, Lee, Plazman, et al).

I'll go back to my regular posting soon (or whenever the HD DVD fanboys chill a bit).

Slim,

Glad you noticed. I will disclose what I have been up to......

If you haven't figured it out, I decided that the inane HD DVD fanboy posts were too much to bear any more..... The Paramount decision went to their head and increased the veracity of the HD DVD fanboys posts.

I kinda figured that's where you were. I think it's time for the third group of us to take over, don't you?;)

PS3 sell is going up thru the roof after the price drop and games coming for Q4 are actually very good and will attract more people to the PS3.

Sigh. Are you even reading what you are posting. The PS3 already had it's firesale and it still couldn't outsell the 360 for more than a week and the Wii at all. And that is without games like Halo 3.

If going through the roof means stuck in 3rd place, I guess you are right. .

Oh, haven't you heard? Netflix is going under and have you search BB online. They don't even have a category for HD-DVD while they do for Blu-ray.

Someone might want to tell Netflix, because I don't think they got your news flash yet.

Slim,

Glad you noticed. I will disclose what I have been up to......

If you haven't figured it out, I decided that the inane HD DVD fanboy posts were too much to bear any more..... The Paramount decision went to their head and increased the veracity of the HD DVD fanboys posts.


....so.....



For fun, I decided to temporarily morph into 3 or 4 of the my favorite HD DVD fanboys, make similar outrageous, unsubstantiated, biased posts that support their opposite format (pro-Blu Ray).

So, if you think my posts are way over the top, I apparently have made my point. My posts are equally outrageous compared with the like HD DVD fanboy posts. Things have become so crazy around here that I decided to make HD DVD fanboy like posts for Blu ray.

So, if you feel my posts over the last 3 weeks have been absolutely insane, then you will see what folks have to deal around here with fanboy posts from the Tier 0 HD DVD fanboys (RDJAM, Lee, Plazman, et al).

I'll go back to my regular posting soon (or whenever the HD DVD fanboys chill a bit).


Sorry, but I have to call BS on this:

1) Your posting history doesn't jive with this. Jeff, you are about as format neutral as James Carville and Sean Hannity are politically neutral. James Carville is married to a Republican, but that doesn't make him one. You've made some pretty fanboyish posts prior to Paramount's jump. So this isn't exactly new.

2) Are you telling us you can't be mature enough to stay above what you feel are fanboys on the HD DVD side?

3) You also realize for everyone rjam (which I don't agree with, but ok), there is a Gregapple? For every Lee Stewart (which I don't agree with either) there is a Wiz33? For every Plazman (not sure what he ever did) there is BD.com with a tiered list of HD DVD folk? And those on the BD side have been the ones starting inane threads that eventually get locked or deleted. You are ok looking and sounding like the Gregapple's of AVS? This is cool with you?

You don't really want people to think the better of you? And personally, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other what you support. AFAIAK you can support HD VMD and it would be fine.

But if you can't be yourself, then maybe you need a break from all this.

I am beginning to believe that the news at CEDIA plus Paramount jumping, plus movie sales catching back up has really hit the BD folk hard enough to knock them out of reality.



Apparently we have and you haven't. HD DVD has its own room in the Magnolia store, and an endcap right next to the BD endcap showing off the HD DVD demo loop in just about every Best Buy in my area. Bel Air, White Marsh, Timonium, and one I saw this weekend in Columbia. And like the BD endcap there are movies right there to look at. Oh and the movie sections are equal 1 to 1 as well.

So now what? Customers go in and see two endcaps showing HD content..........but one is half the price of the other.

Next time my friend you might want to step into a Best Buy before talking.



Which is great. So then you need to go and spend a ton of money on the player. That will get the average Blockbuster customer hooked. .


[Quote] BD player are already retailing below the PS3 price, go check at Amazon.

Samsung's BD-P1200 is already reatailing at $450
Sony's BDP-S300 is retailing at $435
Panasonic BMP-BD10 is retailing at $510[quote]

Which is still twice the cost of HD DVD. Hey how are those ranking against the Toshiba A2?? Any of them hit #1 rank recently?

Oh, and didn't one of your fellow soldiers tell us in another thread that Amazon didn't matter?



I wouldn't be surprised either, because there won't be any.

I fear we are going to have to put some of you on suicide watch when some of this stuff doesn't come true. Thebland may have to be one of them. .... HD DVD has its own room in the Magnolia store, and an endcap right next to the BD endcap showing off the HD DVD demo loop in just about every Best Buy in my area. Bel Air, White Marsh, Timonium, and one I saw this weekend in Columbia. And like the BD endcap there are movies right there to look at. Oh and the movie sections are equal 1 to 1 as well.

So now what? Customers go in and see two endcaps showing HD content..........but one is half the price of the other.OK Michael, as promised I swung by the Columbia Best Buy to see if you were halucinating. And the findings are:
1) As always, the Blu-ray and HD-DVD movie sections have the same amount of shelf space, so nothing has changed there.
2) In that Best Buy's Magnolia store, there were 4 different Blu-ray discs playing on HD monitors; including the largest monitor in the Magnolia. There was a single HD-DVD player (Toshiba) playing on a small monitor with absolutely no explanatory display data there. So there was no "HD-DVD had its own room in Magnolia".
3) Out in the main part of the store, there were 3 different Blu-ray end caps for three different manufacturers. One of the end caps had a Sony Blu-ray hooked up to one of the new 120MHz HDTV and they were playing POTC on it. Wow! And did that display look awesome. I'll have to go back and check it out some more when I get a chance. A lot of folks were looking at that HDTV. And the good part (from a Blu-ray perspective) is that all the while the salesman was explaining the great display, he had to keep referring back to the Sony Blu-ray player and its contributions to the quality. I think this guy will be selling a lot of those HDTVs and some Blu-ray players to go along with some of them also. And yes, there was still a single solitary HD-DVD endcap (Toshiba again) hooked up to a smallish LCD.

So the situation at that Best Buy remains equal display and treatment of Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs, but huge preference shown for Blu-ray players over the HD-DVD players. So Michael, if you want to come in and blow some smoke, don't deal in specifics where folks can go check out the veracity of your posting. Be non-specific and who could question you then?:):):)

Edit: This refers to posting #227 above.

[QUOTE=Michael Mullis;11563052]I am beginning to believe that the news at CEDIA plus Paramount jumping, plus movie sales catching back up has really hit the BD folk hard enough to knock them out of reality.



Apparently we have and you haven't. HD DVD has its own room in the Magnolia store, and an endcap right next to the BD endcap showing off the HD DVD demo loop in just about every Best Buy in my area. Bel Air, White Marsh, Timonium, and one I saw this weekend in Columbia. And like the BD endcap there are movies right there to look at. Oh and the movie sections are equal 1 to 1 as well.

So now what? Customers go in and see two endcaps showing HD content..........but one is half the price of the other.

Next time my friend you might want to step into a Best Buy before talking.



Which is great. So then you need to go and spend a ton of money on the player. That will get the average Blockbuster customer hooked. .


[Quote] BD player are already retailing below the PS3 price, go check at Amazon.

Samsung's BD-P1200 is already reatailing at $450
Sony's BDP-S300 is retailing at $435
Panasonic BMP-BD10 is retailing at $510 OK Michael, as promised I swung by the Columbia Best Buy to see if you were halucinating. And the findings are:
1) As always, the Blu-ray and HD-DVD movie sections have the same amount of shelf space, so nothing has changed there.
2) In that Best Buy's Magnolia store, there were 4 different Blu-ray discs playing on HD monitors; including the largest monitor in the Magnolia. There was a single HD-DVD player (Toshiba) playing on a small monitor with absolutely no explanatory display data there. So there was no "HD-DVD had its own room in Magnolia".
3) Out in the main part of the store, there were 3 different Blu-ray end caps for three different manufacturers. One of the end caps had a Sony Blu-ray hooked up to one of the new 120MHz HDTV and they were playing POTC on it. Wow! And did that display look awesome. I'll have to go back and check it out some more when I get a chance. A lot of folks were looking at that HDTV. And the good part (from a Blu-ray perspective) is that all the while the salesman was explaining the great display, he had to keep referring back to the Sony Blu-ray player and its contributions to the quality. I think this guy will be selling a lot of those HDTVs and some Blu-ray players to go along with some of them also. And yes, there was still a single solitary HD-DVD endcap (Toshiba again) hooked up to a smallish LCD.

So the situation at that Best Buy remains equal display and treatment of Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs, but huge preference shown for Blu-ray players over the HD-DVD players. So Michael, if you want to come in and blow some smoke, don't deal in specifics where folks can go check out the veracity of your posting. Be non-specific and who could question you then?:):):)

Edit: This refers to posting #227 above.

I think ol Whipper and Michael M should be hired as BB employee's, now that would be fun to watch.;)

"I'll merchandise the Hi Def area"

"No I will"

"Death Ray looser!"

"HDDUD putz"

LOL

1) As always, the Blu-ray and HD-DVD movie sections have the same amount of shelf space, so nothing has changed there.
2) In that Best Buy's Magnolia store, there were 4 different Blu-ray discs playing on HD monitors; including the largest monitor in the Magnolia. There was a single HD-DVD player (Toshiba) playing on a small monitor with absolutely no explanatory display data there. So there was no "HD-DVD had its own room in Magnolia".

Sorry, but the stores out here have HD DVD rooms in Magnolia. I never said anything once about Blu-ray being in the store. We all know there are multiple Blu-ray displays in the Mag room itself. I never said anything to the contrary.

3) Out in the main part of the store, there were 3 different Blu-ray end caps for three different manufacturers. One of the end caps had a Sony Blu-ray hooked up to one of the new 120MHz HDTV and they were playing POTC on it. Wow! And did that display look awesome. I'll have to go back and check it out some more when I get a chance. A lot of folks were looking at that HDTV. And the good part (from a BD-DVD perspective) is that all the while the salesman was explaining the great display, he had to keep referring back to the Sony Blu-ray player and its contributions to the quality. I think this guy will be selling a lot of those HDTVs and some Blu-ray players to go along with some of them also. And yes, there was still a single solitary HD-DVD endcap (Toshiba again) hooked up to a smallish LCD.

So what? I said HD DVD had an endcap at all these stores, and I was correct. Don't twist. Out here in Bel Air there is one display per side, and I'd STILL be more than happy for you to come out and see it.

So the situation at that Best Buy remains equal display and treatment of Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs, but huge preference shown for Blu-ray players over the HD-DVD players. So Michael, if you want to come in and blow some smoke, don't deal in specifics where folks can go check out the veracity of your posting. Be non-specific and who could question you then?:):):)

Bullocks. I was still correct. Yes, Columbia still had an endcap for HD DVD, although you're making the "smallish LCD" out to be a little farcical. And the stores out this way are definately more equal than what you described.

I also think it's funny how you came up with some anecdotal story of the salesmen pushing the Blu-ray. The very exact minute you were walking through the HD area, there was a Blu-ray sale a-happenin. Talk about blowing smoke. Funny how I never see any salespeople pushing either when I am shopping there. But then again, you tend to throw a fair amount of fanboy into your postings, so this is not exactly a surprise.

I'll have to go out and have a life in a bit so this may be my last post for the day.

PS3 sales is going up thru the roof after the price drop and games coming for Q4 are actually very good and will attract more people to the PS3.

I KNEW IT. You're saying that new release does not matter? How naive?

Oh, haven't you heard? Netflix is going under and have you search BB online. They don't even have a category for HD-DVD while they do for Blu-ray.

You obviously havent seen last months NPD numbers for the PS3 have you?;)

"Going through the roof" isnt what I would use to describe its sales unless youre referring to the ass kicking its taking.

July Hardware Figures
Wii 425 k
Nintendo DS 405 k
PlayStation 2 222k
PlayStation Portable 214k
Xbox 360 170k
PlayStation 3 159k
Game Boy Advance 87k

It jumped a whopping 60K units after the price drop and STILL didnt outsell its competition. BTW, they are also predicting its sales to drop for August when those numbers are released this week.

HD DVD just needs a sub $200 player to counter what the PS3 does, IMO of course.

Back pedaling real fast is not going to save you. The fact is that BB and CC and most retailer are pushing Blu-ray over HD-DVD. It's simple. Higher MSRP mean better profit margin for the store and better commission (or performance bonus as they are called nowaday) for the employee. All the Bay Area Fry's is the same. They are much more interested in selling you a BD player than a Toshiba.

As I said. All the tech stuff means nothing. It's a marketing, it's PR, It hype and it's having tons of brand name manufacturer on board.

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Back pedaling real fast is not going to save you.

Heed your own advice my friend. You just did it yourself.

You obviously havent seen last months NPD numbers for the PS3 have you?;)

"Going through the roof" isnt what I would use to describe its sales unless youre referring to the ass kicking its taking.

Compare to before the price drop, It is and it will again once the 60GB are gone and the 80GB drops to $499 with all the good games coming out.

P.S. I'm not saying that it's doing great in the gaming market (which it isn't) but it'll be a major force in the HD-player market between now and the end of 08.

On the road again for the next few hours, see you all later

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Sorry, but the stores out here have HD DVD rooms in Magnolia. I never said anything once about Blu-ray being in the store. We all know there are multiple Blu-ray displays in the Mag room itself. I never said anything to the contrary.



So what? I said HD DVD had an endcap at all these stores, and I was correct. Don't twist. Out here in Bel Air there is one display per side, and I'd STILL be more than happy for you to come out and see it.



Bullocks. I was still correct. Yes, Columbia still had an endcap for HD DVD, although you're making the "smallish LCD" out to be a little farcical. And the stores out this way are definately more equal than what you described.

I also think it's funny how you came up with some anecdotal story of the salesmen pushing the Blu-ray. The very exact minute you were walking through the HD area, there was a Blu-ray sale a-happenin. Talk about blowing smoke. Funny how I never see any salespeople pushing either when I am shopping there. But then again, you tend to throw a fair amount of fanboy into your postings, so this is not exactly a surprise.Sorry, but the stores out here have HD DVD rooms in Magnolia. Well Michael, in post #227 above you mentioned that you visited 4 Best Buys in the Baltimore area (Bel Air, White Marsh, Timonium and Columbia) and said that their Magnolias have "HD-DVD rooms". Because I had personal business in the area this evening I stopped by the Columbia location. There was ABSOLUTELY no HD-DVD room in that Magnolia and everything in that location was exactly as I described (I actually took notes so I wouldn't have to depend purely upon memory). And I don't go out of my way to check store electronics displays so I have no intention of going by the other three locations you mentioned. So anybody reading this (and your #227 posting) can go to the location you and I both visited and reported on and quickly determine who accurately described the store and, conversely, who didn't.

[QUOTE=whippersnapper;11564752][QUOTE=Michael Mullis;11563052]I am beginning to believe that the news at CEDIA plus Paramount jumping, plus movie sales catching back up has really hit the BD folk hard enough to knock them out of reality.



Apparently we have and you haven't. HD DVD has its own room in the Magnolia store, and an endcap right next to the BD endcap showing off the HD DVD demo loop in just about every Best Buy in my area. Bel Air, White Marsh, Timonium, and one I saw this weekend in Columbia. And like the BD endcap there are movies right there to look at. Oh and the movie sections are equal 1 to 1 as well.

So now what? Customers go in and see two endcaps showing HD content..........but one is half the price of the other.

Next time my friend you might want to step into a Best Buy before talking.



Which is great. So then you need to go and spend a ton of money on the player. That will get the average Blockbuster customer hooked. .




I think ol Whipper and Michael M should be hired as BB employee's, now that would be fun to watch.;)

"I'll merchandise the Hi Def area"

"No I will"

"Death Ray looser!"

"HDDUD putz"

LOLUrza, I'd refuse to participate in that unless Toshiba first supplied me with one of their new "Ray Gun" controls.:):)

Well Michael, in post #227 above you mentioned that you visited 4 Best Buys in the Baltimore area (Bel Air, White Marsh, Timonium and Columbia) and said that their Magnolias have "HD-DVD rooms". Because I had personal business in the area this evening I stopped by the Columbia location. There was ABSOLUTELY no HD-DVD room in that Magnolia and everything in that location was exactly as I described (I actually took notes so I wouldn't have to depend purely upon memory). And I don't go out of my way to check store electronics displays so I have no intention of going by the other three locations you mentioned. So anybody reading this (and your #227 posting) can go to the location you and I both visited and reported on and quickly determine who accurately described the store and, conversely, who didn't.

You had to take notes? That's funny. And in your notes some salesperson was out selling a Blu-ray player at the very time you were there? Spin all you want, the advent that there is no HD DVD presense at these stores continues to be a myth. And the fact is that all 4 stores mentioned have endcaps for HD DVD. And again, you're description of a "smallish LCD" is a little off. But ok.

I don't usually go out of my way either. I just happened to be there with my wife. I'm out at Best Buy in Bel Air and White Marsh quite a bit, considering my job sometimes takes me there to pick up a hard drive here, a video card there, etc:.

Tell you what. If I can, I'll do you one better. No promises, but since you don't "go out of your way", I'll see if I can get a couple cameraphone pics with my wife's razor of the stores and put them up here.

And for anyone who wants to look, the store up here where I live is right off Bel Air road and Rt-24 behind Harford Mall, next to PetSmart. By all means, please come on up.

YAMAMOTO, "I'm afraid we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled it with terrible resolve".

(HD DVD runs for the hills.......):DJeff, I enjoy your postings best best when you're in feisty mode!:)

You had to take notes? That's funny. And in your notes some salesperson was out selling a Blu-ray player at the very time you were there? Spin all you want, the advent that there is no HD DVD presense at these stores continues to be a myth. And the fact is that all 4 stores mentioned have endcaps for HD DVD. And again, you're description of a "smallish LCD" is a little off. But ok.

I don't usually go out of my way either. I just happened to be there with my wife. I'm out at Best Buy in Bel Air and White Marsh quite a bit, considering my job sometimes takes me there to pick up a hard drive here, a video card there, etc:.

Tell you what. If I can, I'll do you one better. No promises, but since you don't "go out of your way", I'll see if I can get a couple cameraphone pics with my wife's razor of the stores and put them up here.

And for anyone who wants to look, the store up here where I live is right off Bel Air road and Rt-24 behind Harford Mall, next to PetSmart. By all means, please come on up.Way to go Michael, avoid the one we both went to like the plague!:)

One last post before I get on the road again, Here's the Netflix article:

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http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom090907/index.php

that should take you to page 8 of this weeks Nielsen/VideoScan booklet where it says Wallstreet Analysts expect them to file bankruptcy..

Compare to before the price drop, It is and it will again once the 60GB are gone and the 80GB drops to $499 with all the good games coming out.

P.S. I'm not saying that it's doing great in the gaming market (which it isn't) but it'll be a major force in the HD-player market between now and the end of 08.

On the road again for the next few hours, see you all later

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1) Your speculating that the 80gig drops to $500. Will probably happen but no where near confirmed.

2) Yeah that 1:1 BD to PS3 sales ratio is just kicking all sorts of ass.:p That is what studios are looking at. Yeah BD is outselling HD DVD now but with the number of PS3's out there it SHOULD be dominating HD DVD. Toshiba has done a hell of a job keeping it this close to this point. With sub $200 players coming this holiday its going to get pretty damn interesting.

Way to go Michael, avoid the one we both went to like the plague!:)


Well, since you refuse to come out to the other ones I invited you too. After all, you seemed to BD slant your experience. You should see the entire picture so that you aren't so blinded by your own slant. ;)

If I'm out in Columbia again in the near future I'll be more than happy to do the same. It seems more than you are willing to do, eh?

One last post before I get on the road again, Here's the Netflix article:

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http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom090907/index.php

that should take you to page 8 of this weeks Nielsen/VideoScan booklet where it says Wallstreet Analysts expect them to file bankruptcy..

Damn, NICE advertisement for Transformers on page 1,2 and the cover.

Now, onto your link. I think it's time you stopped posting here because you are about to look mighty foolish:

They are talking about MOVIE GALLERY filing bankrupcy, NOT NetFlix. The Wall Street journal UPGRADED Netflix's stock from "Hold" to "Sell".

And more importantly, is this:

"We expect a Movie Gallery bankruptcy before year-end coupled with decreased marketing from Blockbuster," Pachter said in a research note. "We continue to believe that [Netflix] will again approach market saturation once the impact of the Movie Gallery bankruptcy is absorbed."

Now, despite the fact the giant letters in the title of the article say "Analyst Upgrades Netflix, Expects Gallery Bankruptcy"....................It's like you didn't even look at it yourself.

You should have stuck to your word and had your last post a while ago my friend.

Back pedaling real fast is not going to save you. The fact is that BB and CC and most retailer are pushing Blu-ray over HD-DVD. It's simple. Higher MSRP mean better profit margin for the store and better commission (or performance bonus as they are called nowaday) for the employee. All the Bay Area Fry's is the same. They are much more interested in selling you a BD player than a Toshiba.

As I said. All the tech stuff means nothing. It's a marketing, it's PR, It hype and it's having tons of brand name manufacturer on board.

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Pushing? Ever hear of something called price resistance? It happens when the buyer thinks the price is too high.

All the marketing in the world can't overcome price resistance. We see this with HDTV and look how low they have dropped.

Please - no personal experiences - they mean ZERO

Movie Gallery is Hollywood Video! NOT Netflix!

Damn, NICE advertisement for Transformers on page 1,2 and the cover.

Now, onto your link. I think it's time you stopped posting here because you are about to look mighty foolish:

They are talking about MOVIE GALLERY filing bankrupcy, NOT NetFlix. The Wall Street journal UPGRADED Netflix's stock from "Hold" to "Sell".

And more importantly, is this:



Now, despite the fact the giant letters in the title of the article say "Analyst Upgrades Netflix, Expects Gallery Bankruptcy"....................It's like you didn't even look at it yourself.

You should have stuck to your word and had your last post a while ago my friend.The Wall Street journal UPGRADED Netflix's stock from "Hold" to "Sell". Michael, going from a "hold" recommendation to a "sell" recommendataion is not an "upgrade". That recommendation means that the WSJ anticipates that Netflix stock will be going down.

Heh. 18 months is plenty of time. Q4 2007 is in the bag already for Blu-ray. 2008? Paramount better hope they get a sequel to transformers out before then, or that won't make a difference, either.

Now after the Q4 annihilation that HDDVD faces, maybe it won't take Paramount 18 months...

I'm really curious. From your signature I see that you have both a Blu-ray player as well as a HD-DVD player but you obviously are NOT format neutral. In fact, it seems you are extremely biased toward the Blu-ray format. I'm just wondering... why? Do you SEE or HEAR a difference? Alot of AVS forum members that are format neutral express feelings of relief because the WAR doesn't affect them anymore..but not you. Anyway, I'm just curious.:)

Michael, going from a "hold" recommendation to a "sell" recommendataion is not an "upgrade". That recommendation means that the WSJ anticipates that Netflix stock will be going down.

Kind of funny how the article says things like "received a boost", and "shares close up almost 5% in after hours trading".

Sigh, so am I the only one who read this then? No one expects them to go down. Let me continue:

The analyst said Netflix could capture as much as 10% of these customers over the next 4 quarters, which he said will represent 700,000 net subscribers through 2009, up from 500,000 previously forcast.

So, once again, nowhere in this article does it say Netflix is going down, going under, or filing bankruptcy. The damn article is right there.

Now, please show me Wiz33 in here where it says Netflix is going to close.

Pushing? Ever hear of something called price resistance? It happens when the buyer thinks the price is too high.

All the marketing in the world can't overcome price resistance. We see this with HDTV and look how low they have dropped.

Please - no personal experiences - they mean ZERO

Price resistance is eaxtly what's going to kill HD-DVD. The Mass consumer will not buy any HD player when they have to shell out $25 for a new release when they can get the DVD for $15. Having a $199 player will be no big benefit when in the long run, it's media cost that matters not the initial hardware cost.

The market at this point is just moving from the first adopter stage to the pro-sumer stage. The is the group that have a fair amount of disposable income and will be willing to pay more for a brand name product.

The Bargain basement crowd will not be buying for a while since first they have to adopt HDTV. Then they will wait till HDM prices to drop to an acceptable level before they will jump in. By the time that happens (I would say Q4 08) the sub $300 BD player should be all over the place.

Public apology to everyone on the Netflick matter, Guess that's what happens when you see a post on a forum and takes it at face value and repost it else where. My apologies. I will read things first before I copy and paste.

Price resistance is eaxtly what's going to kill HD-DVD. The Mass consumer will not buy any HD player when they have to shell out $25 for a new release when they can get the DVD for $15. Having a $199 player will be no big benefit when in the long run, it's media cost that matters not the initial hardware cost.

The market at this point is just moving from the first adopter stage to the pro-sumer stage. The is the group that have a fair amount of disposable income and will be willing to pay more for a brand name product.

The Bargain basement crowd will not be buying for a while since first they have to adopt HDTV. Then they will wait till HDM prices to drop to an acceptable level before they will jump in. By the time that happens (I would say Q4 08) the sub $300 BD player should be all over the place.

Q4 2008? This thing is going to be over by then my friend. BD will be the PS3 game disc/AV niche format while HD DVD will be the mass adoption format. No two ways about it.

Q4 2008? This thing is going to be over by then my friend. BD will be the PS3 game disc/AV niche format while HD DVD will be the mass adoption format. No two ways about it.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Well, it's been a fun day so have a good night all.