I thought this deserved its own topic, since it is an exciting development.

TivoPony posted today (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=365225) that a software update is coming in November that will enable multi-room viewing (MRV), Tivo->PC transfers (TivoToGo), and PC->Tivo transfers (TiVoToComeBack) on the TivoHD and TivoSeries3. Most importantly, high-definition transfers will be supported for all three features.

All transfers will be done over your local network, using 10/100 ethernet or wireless. As expected, only high-definition programs flagged as "copy freely" will be permitted for transfer from the Tivo to a PC. Programs flagged as "copy one generation" will not be permitted for transfer to a PC or Mac.

How does this affect viewing between boxes? S3-->S3 or S3-->S2?

So, how many shows are flagged as copy once and copy freely?
My guess is that only PBS is copy freely and everything else is copy once.
Anyone have a breakdown of different broadcast shows and how they are flagged? (I'm talking about ABC,CBS,NBC, not the other cable channels)

So, how many shows are flagged as copy once and copy freely?
My guess is that only PBS is copy freely and everything else is copy once.
Anyone have a breakdown of different broadcast shows and how they are flagged? (I'm talking about ABC,CBS,NBC, not the other cable channels)

I think this can vary since each cableco has the ability to set this: and many do not set it correctly/and don't care

OK-Another question for the un-informed. If using the Tivo for OTA and not cable, how are the broadcasters flagging the material, and do they even have the ability to apply a copy once or never bit like cable, or do they just have a "dumb" broadcast flag?

OK-Another question for the un-informed. If using the Tivo for OTA and not cable, how are the broadcasters flagging the material, and do they even have the ability to apply a copy once or never bit like cable, or do they just have a "dumb" broadcast flag?


There is no flagging on OTA. Everything is copy freely. That is also how it is supposed to be on cable for OTA channels, but some telco's suck and misconfigure their settings.

Are these flags on a show-by-show basis, or are they on a channel-by-channel basis? Is either scenario at the discretion of the cable company, or is it up to the studios?

Are these flags on a show-by-show basis, or are they on a channel-by-channel basis? Is either scenario at the discretion of the cable company, or is it up to the studios?In some cases, it is done on a channel-by-channel basis (ex: HBO). In other cases, it is done on a program-by-program basis (ex: ESPN). How content is flagged varies by provider and by channel

If you go to the program information dialog for a saved recording and hit the INFO button, you get a dialog labelled "Program Details". There will be sections for "Title", "Episode Title" and "Content Rating", and if the recording is copy protected, those will be followed by a section labeled "Restrictions" which will read:
Due to policy set by the copyright holder, this recording: Cannot be transferred to VCR, DVD or any other media device. To learn more, visit www.tivo.com/copyprotection.

Once these transfers are enabled, hopefully Tivo will move that information to the main recording information screen to make it more easily accessible.

As alluded to above, there are no flags on OTA channels, and the FCC requires that cable providers use "copy freely" on local channels.

As bfdtv has indicated, OTA channels are not copy protected but, on Cox OKC at least, almost all of the rest of the HD material transmitted is copy protected. Cox is ordinarily pretty good about remembering to not copy protect stuff they retransmit from local network affiliates. Many fewer SD shows are copy protected than HD but some of them are copy protected, too.

I'm not trying to go OT, but I did a little research today and it seems like you would have more flexibility with a Sling box. Based on where you are using it wouldn't give you the highest resolution pq, but you'd be garanteed access to any of your media on the device, no?

How will the multi-room work? Would I need two TIVO boxes that support HD (this one seems like a pretty obvious yes)? Will both need to have subscriptions, or can one be a dummy unit that I use to receive transfers of shows from the first box? Does the wireless feature include HD programs? That would be incredible, because rewiring my house would be an enormous project.

Sorry if these are stupid questions, but charter just told me today that they will not give me a second dvr for our upstairs, and I'm just getting started on trying to determine what my other options are.

How will the multi-room work? Would I need two TIVO boxes that support HD (this one seems like a pretty obvious yes)? Will both need to have subscriptions, or can one be a dummy unit that I use to receive transfers of shows from the first box? Does the wireless feature include HD programs? That would be incredible, because rewiring my house would be an enormous project.To view high-definition programs with MRV, you will need another TivoHD or Tivo Series3.

When MRV is enabled, every Tivo will have a folder with the name of the other Tivos in your home. Clicking that folder will show the recordings on that Tivo. Clicking a recording will copy it to the DVR you are currently viewing so you can play it.

With MRV, content is copied from one Tivo to another and then played. You don't have to wait until the copy is complete to start watching, but if you are using a wireless network, chances are you won't be able to watch it instantly, you'll have to wait to build up a 'buffer.' Real-time, no-delay viewing with wired ethernet networks may be possible -- but we won't know that until November.

Will both Tivo units need a subscription, or can one just be there for receiving programs from the other unit.

Will both Tivo units need a subscription, or can one just be there for receiving programs from the other unit.
Both would need a Tivo subscription. Each additional Tivo after the first costs $6.99/mo.

Three TivoHDs would cost you 3*($260) + $300 prepaid sub + $13.98/mo. If you don't want to prepay, the cost would be 3*($260) + $26.97/mo with the same commitment.

Thanks. I'm so new at looking into Tivo that I didn't realize the second DVR subscription is cheaper.

I read the thread you linked from the tivo community. My last lingering concern is the copy flag. Most of what I record and would want to be able to access in other rooms is premium flagged content -- movies and sports. If Tivo will let me move flagged content from one box to the other, then I'm in for at least two units, maybe 3. Copying from one box to the other would be better, of course, but I would settle for being able to move a show so that it leaves the first box entirely and resides on the other box instead.

Both would need a Tivo subscription. Each additional Tivo after the first costs $6.99/mo.

Three TivoHDs would cost you 3*($260) + $300 prepaid sub + $13.98/mo. If you don't want to prepay, the cost would be 3*($260) + $26.97/mo with the same commitment.
it was my understanding that the $6.99 multi-unit discount price is only available if you pre-pay it for 3 years... the price goes higher the lesser you pre-pay and, last i checked, it was almost the $12 regular price if you go month-by-month. can you confirm? this is the #1 reason why i am holding out on getting the Tivo HD, or waiting for the next lifetime subscription swap offer. one way to circumvent the pre-pay is to replace an existing Tivo. unfortunately, i need my other Series 2 for recording from Dish...

it was my understanding that the $6.99 multi-unit discount price is only available if you pre-pay it for 3 years... the price goes higher the lesser you pre-pay and, last i checked, it was almost the $12 regular price if you go month-by-month. can you confirm?There is no prepay required to get the $6.99 monthly fee, but it that price does require you to commit for three years of monthly service.

If you are buying a TivoHD, presumably you intend to use it for at least three years.

Au contraire! According to this page (https://www3.tivo.com/store/plans.do), the cost is $12.95/mo if you don't prepay.

Au contraire! According to this page (https://www3.tivo.com/store/plans.do), the cost is $12.95/mo if you don't prepay.That's correct if it is your first Tivo.

However, the individual above already has an old Tivo with a lifetime sub. You get a $6/mo discount on every Tivo after the first.

There is no prepay required to get the $6.99 monthly fee, but it that price does require you to commit for three years of monthly service.

If you are buying a TivoHD, presumably you intend to use it for at least three years.

Is it correct to understand the following?

The 3 year commit on the second box (to get the MSD $6.99/mo rate) is not tied to the TivHD box that you bought. If you decide to switch to another unit down the line, you can transfer that $6.99/mo service from that TivoHD to the new box, and that it doesn't restart your 3 year commit period.

The 3 year commit on the second box (to get the MSD $6.99/mo rate) is not tied to the TivHD box that you bought. If you decide to switch to another unit down the line, you can transfer that $6.99/mo service from that TivoHD to the new box, and that it doesn't restart your 3 year commit period.That's correct.

When you commit to three years of service at $6.99 monthly, you are not tied to a particular box. You can login to your account at Tivo.com and replace one box with another.

I currently own two SD Tivo boxes both with lifetime. It seems that the offer to move one of those lifetime subscriptions to a new HD Tivo expired a few months ago. My Comcast dual-tuner HD DVR just lost all of my recorded programs when it decided that the latest episode of The Closer needed over 15 hours to record. In other words, it filled up my hard drive and deleted all my recordings to do it. I can't decide if I want to pay for the HD Tivo subscription. Would it qualify for the $6.99/month? Maybe I should tell Comcast to shove it and move to the Verizon dual tuner DVR. Of course Verizon requires a STB for almost all of its channels whereas Comcast does not. Comcast doesn't offer the Tivo s/w in my area yet. What to do, what to do.

I currently own two SD Tivo boxes both with lifetime. It seems that the offer to move one of those lifetime subscriptions to a new HD Tivo expired a few months ago..

I can't decide if I want to pay for the HD Tivo subscription. Would it qualify for the $6.99/month?Only the [more expensive] Tivo Series3 qualifies for the $200 lifetime transfer.

As long as you own a working Tivo with lifetime, you qualify for the $6.99/mo plan on the TivoHD.

The TivoHD works with Verizon FiOS as well, should you ever abandon Comcast.

Both would need a Tivo subscription. Each additional Tivo after the first costs $6.99/mo.

Three TivoHDs would cost you 3*($260) + $300 prepaid sub + $13.98/mo. If you don't want to prepay, the cost would be 3*($260) + $26.97/mo with the same commitment.

bfdtv,

Where would one find the TivoHD for $260? I have been looking but haven't been able to find. Feel free to PM me if not permissible to post in the forums.

Thanks.

Gilbert

I thought this deserved its own topic, since it is an exciting development.

TivoPony posted today (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=365225) that a software update is coming in November that will enable multi-room viewing (MRV), Tivo->PC transfers (TivoToGo), and PC->Tivo transfers (TiVoToComeBack) on the TivoHD and TivoSeries3. Most importantly, high-definition transfers will be supported for all three features.

All transfers will be done over your local network, using 10/100 ethernet or wireless. As expected, only high-definition programs flagged as "copy freely" will be permitted for transfer from the Tivo to a PC. Programs flagged as "copy one generation" will not be permitted for transfer to a PC or Mac.


Transferring OTA to computer is great for archiving. I like this move. However, it's only a step in the right direction. Encrypted cable content still can't be archived, and tivo boxes still don't play friendly with any satellite HD content.

Transferring OTA to computer is great for archiving. I like this move. However, it's only a step in the right direction. Encrypted cable content still can't be archived, and tivo boxes still don't play friendly with any satellite HD content.That's not correct. The TivoHD will allow you to transfer encrypted cable content to your PC so long as it does not carry the "copy one generation" flag.

For example, many digital cable channels on Verizon FiOS are encrypted, but they are also flagged as "copy freely." The same goes for my area Comcast. How do I tell? When you hit info on any Tivo recording, it tells you whether the content is copy protected or not.

For this reason, come November, the TivoHD and Tivo Series3 will be able to transfer far more content to the PC than you can get with a HTPC solution like MythTV which is unable to directly record encrypted channels, regardless of whether they carry any copy protection.