View Full Version : All this 24 FPS talk, What's the big deal?


Pocket Aces
09-12-07, 02:59 PM
I keep hearing about how everyone is verifying their TV can do 24 FPS but does it really matter in terms of watching a movie? If I showed you a movie and said it was running either 24 FPS or 60 FPS would you be able to tell and would the 60 FPS be worse or better? I mean if 60 FPS looks just fine which I think it does why all the concern? I just don't understand why the 24 FPS is so important.

tlbowerts
09-12-07, 03:07 PM
I think it matters more for gaming,as i can see a different, as for movies, i see little if any different! I think it has a lot to do with everyone wanting the best, even if you don't really see it, my opinion anyway.

Pocket Aces
09-12-07, 03:12 PM
I thought it mattered more for movies since the whole argument is converting a 24 FPS from how movies are filmed to a 30 FPS or 60 FPS on your TV. Either way it seems like people are getting overly concerned over something so minute and the only way they seem to be happy is when their TV info says 1080 @ 24 even though they themselves can't see a lick of difference between 24 FPS, 30 FPS or 60 FPS.

I mean if no one published this crap on the internet or AV mags none of us would ever even know that such a "problem" existed. This sort of reminds me of my friend who always bought the highest end audio equipment when I could have blind folded him and given him the "taste test" with an audio system at 1/10th the price and he would have never have known the difference. Yet he was always concerned about spending money and time on the best even when it made absolutely no significant difference.

Foxbat121
09-12-07, 03:44 PM
Almost all movies are filmed natively in 24fps. In order to show this in your 60fps digital TV, some frames, but not all frames, have to be duplicated to convert 24fps -> 30 fps or 60 fps. This uneven frame duplication causes minute issues when you're displaying a panning scene. Not a big deal but videophiles will be all over it when it happens.

Games and HD videos are mostly 30 fps or 60 fps. So, 24fps capability has no effect on them.

alluringreality
09-12-07, 04:24 PM
To me 24fps is too slow to be smooth, and going to the theater isn't necessarily smooth with motion. There are times watching movies on 60hz that I've noticed how motion can be worse than a theater. Take most any white on black credits and it's no problem seeing it there, but otherwise I just notice it occasionally. Before HD sources I never noticed it, but now with movies on disk there are times that movement just isn't right. I already have the Sony that can do 24p and the XA2 should do it eventually, so I figure why not, the A3000 isn't necessarily a lot more than an A2020.


This sort of reminds me of my friend who always bought the highest end audio equipment when I could have blind folded him and given him the "taste test" with an audio system at 1/10th the price and he would have never have known the difference.

I'll gladly take the blindfold test for my Denon receiver against my Krell amp.

FoxProGT
09-12-07, 08:38 PM
its all about the games.... 24 fps vs 60 fps on a pc or a game console makes all the diff!

Foxbat121
09-12-07, 09:24 PM
So, according to your logic we should expect pay more for 60 fps TV and HD players than 24 fps models, right? LOL :)

moshmothma
09-12-07, 09:45 PM
24hz on my Samsung DLP looks exceptional! Noticeably different from 60hz. Course, it only works well with 23.96 material. 25fps or 29.97fps is not smooth and tears a lot. But 24hz looks great and is mega-smooth. Thanks

John Mason
09-13-07, 08:06 AM
Displaying dramas captured at 24 fps at even multiples, such as 48 or 72 fps, avoids introducing judder that blurs images. Documentary-type programs are often captured/displayed at 60 TV fields (half-frames) or 60 full frames per second (U.S. standards), with smoother motion. Fixed-pixel Displays typically show images at 60 fps whether they originated at 24 fps or at 60/50 Hz (TV fields or frames). (Some pro theater digital projectors just show 24 fps, which avoids image flicker because CRTs or mechanical film shutters aren't involved.) -- John

JOHNnDENVER
09-13-07, 12:20 PM
Most of the even more serious 24fps fans, admit, the difference isn't always discernable unless the displays are run side by side.

I am making an effort to go back to being into the content. It's tough. But really 1080i/60 source and real DD 5.1 source is totally good enough to produce a true quality theater like experience. Anything beyond this is just a bonus. :)

Even 720p source and quality 2 channel audio source with DPLII and other available sound modes generally serves up a quality very near true theater like sound experience.