Just like the title says how long do you educated projector folks think it will be before quality 1080p PJs can be had for $1500 or under? I've got my 1080p DVD player, but spending $3000 on a PJ is out of the question for me. I'll be seriously shopping for PJs in i'm guessing 6 months from today ofcourse that could change based on many things, one of them being the availability of 1080p Projectors at $1500 or under! Thanks:cool:

I'd say, at the very earliest, the end of 2008. But, more likely, after CES 2009. If I were you, I'd get a <$1000 projector now and, down the road, upgrade to 1080p instead of replacing the bulb.

$1500 is about 1/2 of something like the HD80. I read somewhere that consumer electronics see approximately at 50% reduction in price every 18-24 months. So my answer to your question is - 18-24 months from now.

$1500 is about 1/2 of something like the HD80. I read somewhere that consumer electronics see approximately at 50% reduction in price every 18-24 months. So my answer to your question is - 18-24 months from now.

In my part of the world, the HD80 can be had for $2199.98 Canadian, shipping included. This was why it was so hard for me to decide between a medium quality DC3 720p and the HD80 because both cost around the same price. I wouldn't be surprised if 12 months from now the DC3 720p models will start around $1000, and the DC2 1080p models start at the $1,500 price point. Of course, I could be wrong ;)

I estimate April 2008, based on examining price history in the database they maintain at kakaku. This would be for the Sanyo Z2000 which lists for $2995. It is possible Epson will try to compete but Panasonic looks like a long shot considering that they talked about starting the 2007 model MSRPs at the same prices as their 2006 models ($3000 and $6000) Look at how the list and retail prices started out and decayed over the past year for the Z5 and the AX-100 and draw your own conclusions.

cool guys, good input, thanks!

I'm waiting for under 1k for 1080p with 3000 lumens. 2010 for me :).

First sub $1500 price (on sale).... May 2008.

First sub $1500 MSRP .... Q4 2008. ($999 Black Thursday/Friday 2008 sale pricing).

I estimate April 2008, based on examining price history in the database they maintain at kakaku. This would be for the Sanyo Z2000 which lists for $2995. It is possible Epson will try to compete but Panasonic looks like a long shot considering that they talked about starting the 2007 model MSRPs at the same prices as their 2006 models ($3000 and $6000) Look at how the list and retail prices started out and decayed over the past year for the Z5 and the AX-100 and draw your own conclusions.

I will agree with this only if it hits under the $2K point by either Black Friday 07 or the week before the Superbowl 08.

Gotta crack the $2K point before you can crack the $1.5K point. :)

Disappointing to see MSRP about the same or even higher for the new Sony PJs. The VW200 I think it MSRP'ing for $16K (VW100 was $10K originally) and the VW60 for $5K (same as the VW50). Who knows with the Epson 1080UB how high it'll be. Seems the manufacturers, naturally, are trying to stabilize the dropping prices of PJs. But with so many companies making 720p and now 1080p PJs, it's inevitable for prices to take a dive (I hope) like LCD TVs over the past year.

In my part of the world, the HD80 can be had for $2199.98 Canadian, shipping included. This was why it was so hard for me to decide between a medium quality DC3 720p and the HD80 because both cost around the same price. I wouldn't be surprised if 12 months from now the DC3 720p models will start around $1000, and the DC2 1080p models start at the $1,500 price point. Of course, I could be wrong ;)


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Just like the title says how long do you educated projector folks think it will be before quality 1080p PJs can be had for $1500 or under? I've got my 1080p DVD player, but spending $3000 on a PJ is out of the question for me. I'll be seriously shopping for PJs in i'm guessing 6 months from today ofcourse that could change based on many things, one of them being the availability of 1080p Projectors at $1500 or under! Thanks:cool:

They are already here now. They come in a box:

http://www.nextag.com/Rear-Projection--zz1080p+tvz500020zB6z5---html

Go figure. Not only do you get the PJ, but the box, multiple tuners, sound system, first surface mirror, and in home service.

They are already here now. They come in a box:

http://www.nextag.com/Rear-Projection--zz1080p+tvz500020zB6z5---html

Go figure. Not only do you get the PJ, but the box, multiple tuners, sound system, first surface mirror, and in home service.

Doh!!! ;)

They are already here now. They come in a box:

http://www.nextag.com/Rear-Projection--zz1080p+tvz500020zB6z5---html

Go figure. Not only do you get the PJ, but the box, multiple tuners, sound system, first surface mirror, and in home service.

$1500 for a whopping 56" or 60" display? Oh boy. :rolleyes:

I guess that's fine if you like to sit real close to the screen. Otherwise, 720p would probably do you just fine.

That said, I'll stick with my Panasonic AX100U ($1400 AR) for now until a decent 1080p projector nears the $2000 mark.

Bradley

I'll say April 2008 also. With some rebates and creative cash-backs maybe sooner. Funny thing I notice is a 1080p and 720p going for about the same price on the Display Forums here.

I know exactly when 1080p projectors will be under $2k......it will be right after I buy a 1080p projector for $2.6k or more and can't return it.:rolleyes:

Mike

I'm waiting for under 1k for 1080p with 3000 lumens. 2010 for me :).

What makes you think that will ever happen? 720P is close to becoming an end of life product and there is nothing like that available in 720P.

Well this thread has helped me find greater specificity to my next PJ purchase: first decent-brand 1080p DC3 for around $1k.

I plan my next PJ to be a long-termer, so I guess I should also get the CR and accuracy upgraded over my present DC2 720p (which I LOVE). Sadly my prognostication for my dream PJ reaching my price point is 2 full years from now (I anticipate $1k 1080p in 1.5years). My view of the OP's question: November 2008 (based on when the HD70 and HD1000u both came out, shattering the previous price barriers).

Well this thread has helped me find greater specificity to my next PJ purchase: first decent-brand 1080p DC3 for around $1k.

I plan my next PJ to be a long-termer, so I guess I should also get the CR and accuracy upgraded over my present DC2 720p (which I LOVE). Sadly my prognostication for my dream PJ reaching my price point is 2 full years from now (I anticipate $1k 1080p in 1.5years). My view of the OP's question: November 2008 (based on when the HD70 and HD1000u both came out, shattering the previous price barriers).

If 1080P is going to be 1K in 1.5 years what(specs) are the premium projectors going to be 1.5 years from now.

Well I'm far from a projector insider or whatnot, but I've bought 4 (low-end) projectors and followed the industry fairly closer (here on AVS) for 3-4 years.

I'd guess the premium units will get better and better with contrast, color accuracy, installation (is DLP lens shift that hard? seemingly so, but there's room for growth) and of course brightness. I haven't watched the upscale market closely, but what I understand is that the current crop of 1080Ps aren't all that bright. A lot of people want them mainly so they can go HUGE (140"+). There will continue to be technological advances - there's great room to improve with video scalers/deinterlacers, maybe 1080p/24 will be a feature only found in the higher end. DC4? I can go crazy and talk about 3d imaging but who knows, certainly not I. Maybe they'll get smaller and less obtrusive? Wireless HDMI? Quiter, built-in panamorph lens option? Ok I'm done.

As technology gets more mature like with 1080 the price becomes more stable.
In the past there was 480 then 720 and more features and quality specs hence prices were on a faster decline with every new unit. Therefore the last model years pricing trend might not be an indications for newer upcoming models. We already have seen that manufacturer such as Sony, Pannasinc, JVC new pricing for the new models are more or same as last years model. Price of low end 1080 will decline but not as fast as what we have seen in last years for 720p.

Especially since top quality 720p are at incredible prices and satisfy the masses already with no pressing desire to jump on 1080p. 720p is certainly the sweet spot considering many of the sources (SD, 720p OTA etc) people have today.

With that said, for manufactures to entice more people to step up to 1080p, prices will still drop although I agree, not as fast as 720p did. But who knows, just takes one 1080p to do what HD70, HD1000U did to upset the apple cart.

I am not a waiting type so if I were in the matket there are excellent deals out there for 720 and even Optoma HD-80 is cheap for 1080 but some have reservations for its performance. Take your pick or wait and wait...

High quality 720 deals like the Sammy and Marantz are not necessrily going to happen again. I haven't seen the Marantz in person but the Sammy certainly has a build quality that had to have cost more to make than what the selling price now is. I don't believe manufacturers will continue to build projectors of this quality to sell at such low prices. They may continue to build H70/HC1500 type of 720P projectors but as time and technology progresses they will become less attractive relative to the 1080P projectors. Without pressure from above, like the 720P projectors current have to contend with, the 1080P projector manufacturer's will not be forced to lower prices like they have with the 720P projectors. I think entry level 1080P projector prices will stabilize around the mid to high teens until the next higher resolution standard is implemented.

I'd take the over for those suggesting April/May 2008. I mean the 1080p models are most likely going to street for somewhere in the neighborhood of $2500-$3000 when they debut next month. Yes, they will drop in price pretty quickly, but we're talking a $300-$400 drop, not a $1000 drop, by CES. I don't see them dropping another $600-$700 a few months later. I'm not even sure they get below $1500 by this time next year, but if I had to guess I would say September/October 2008 at the earliest.

$1500 for a whopping 56" or 60" display? Oh boy. :rolleyes:

I guess that's fine if you like to sit real close to the screen. Otherwise, 720p would probably do you just fine.

That said, I'll stick with my Panasonic AX100U ($1400 AR) for now until a decent 1080p projector nears the $2000 mark.

Bradley

The point is, they are 'milking' 1080p front projection. There's absolutely no reason $1500 1080p FP can't be had today. The waiting game continues.

There's absolutely no reason $1500 1080p FP can't be had today

How do you know that?

Well this thread has helped me find greater specificity to my next PJ purchase: first decent-brand 1080p DC3 for around $1k.

Ha! Well I've got you beat. In 4 years, I'm upgrading to a 3 chip DC4 1080p with 25,000 on/off CR for $1,600.

The point is, they are 'milking' 1080p front projection. There's absolutely no reason $1500 1080p FP can't be had today. The waiting game continues.

There is some elements of truth to that. But they need funds for their upcoming 2.35 chip R&D so here we have it at what it is.
I was expecting the VW-60 with a msrp of $3k rather than $5k.
But LCD might do it in Spring 08 with $2K msrp which will street near $1500 a few months thereafter. But it is all speculations and hope.

Seriously, does anyone have any insight into why i can get a 1080p rear projection for <$2000 while a front projector is typically 2x that?

Seems to me the small box front pj should be 1/2 the large box rear.

In the case for dlp does TI charge more for the front pj internals?

Does volume explain it?

Rear pj firesale? I read rear pj sales are off 50%/

Does anyone really believe that the bulk of the internal parts of 1080p projectors are much more expensive than corresponding 720p/480p projectors outside of the actual DLP/LCD/LCOS chips and panels. Is there any reason to think that these cannot be manufactured in a large scale in 1-2 years for the same costs as the lower resolution panels/chips today? Does anyone think/know if there really is much difference now?

that's why when the first manufacture decides to send the price down the rest will follow. Right now, they are all looking at each other to hold the price up. No worries, it will fall.

They are already here now. They come in a box:

http://www.nextag.com/Rear-Projection--zz1080p+tvz500020zB6z5---html

Go figure. Not only do you get the PJ, but the box, multiple tuners, sound system, first surface mirror, and in home service.

Excellent point!. This goes to show you that is all marketing and price points. The DLP chips and light engines are there, they sell the PJs higher because we pay for them.

My guess is we will see a sub 1K 1080p before 2008 is over.

Franke