NFL on CBS Week 4: Sunday, Sept. 30, CBS Doubleheader
The NFL Today presented by Southwest Airlines, 12:00-1:00 p.m.(CBS HD)

Houston @ Atlanta, 1:00 p.m.
N.Y. Jets @ Buffalo, 1:00 p.m.(CBS HD)
Baltimore @ Cleveland, 1:00 p.m.
Oakland @ Miami, 1:00 p.m.(CBS HD)
Denver @ Indianapolis, 4:15 p.m.-7:30 p.m. (CBS HD)
Pittsburgh @ Arizona, 4:15 p.m.-7:30 p.m.(CBS HD)
Kansas City @ San Diego, 4:15 p.m.-7:30 p.m.(CBS HD)

http://www.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl

Another SD game for the Brownies, and 4/4 for the Jets. :)

Excellent, Dolphins are 4 for 4 also. Someone at CBS is definitely a homer, but I'm definitely not complaining.

I feel sorry for the NFC North. The three decent teams in that division are getting SD-ified thanks to the JV Browns. Maybe that'll change when Brady Quinn starts (the HD part, not the JV part).

The good news for Browns fans is they play New England in week 5 so that should be HD. The bad news is they play New England in week 5.

The bad news for everybody is the Cowboys own the Browns' first round pick. :)

I still say it ridiculous for CBS not to be 100% HD. How long has Fox been 100% in their coverage?

Fox will not be 100% later in the Season as the balance between NFC and AFC games turn around. The Schedule has been heavy with NFC games being moved split between 1, 4, with some heavy national coverage early in the season on Sunday night, and monday night. Check out later in the year, you will see a large number of Fox 1 pm games. All will not be HD.

How long has Fox been 100% in their coverage?

They're not. They only do 6 games a week in HD, any others are done in SD widescreen. This week the Seahawks-Cardinals game is not HD.

How long has Fox been 100% in their coverage?Never. FOX only does a maximum of 6 games a week in HD. Here is the math:


....to be exact 93.33% of Fox's regular season games last year were in HD. With the schedule this year it will be 92.45%, however, this is subject to change based on flex scheduling.

I still say it ridiculous for CBS not to be 100% HD. How long has Fox been 100% in their coverage?


I'm gonna scream...... :mad:

I'm gonna scream...... :mad:It always strikes me as interesting that while FOX provides the non-HD games in Fox Widescreen (480i upconverted to 720p & DD5.1), so many viewers think all their NFL is HD. In other words, the ones unhappy with CBS are the ones that can't tell what is HD and what isn't......

OK, you got me, I wasn't aware that Fox did some NFL in Widescreen SD. I knew they did baseball this way, and I think it's a nice compromise. I'll say this, it's much a much better alternative in my view than the SD 4x3 garbage that CBS puts out. The wider field of vision is just as important in my opinion.

All that said, in viewing the numbers, it still appears Fox has more HD capability than CBS.

I have a question for our HD historians. I believe CBS started HD football broadcasts in 1998. How many years did they broadcast just one game per week? Did they start 3 games in 2005? Excluding this season, If you assume 6 years of 1 game and 2 years of 3 games a week they have broadcast a total of 204 games in HD. Since FOX has only two years of HD broadcasting, they have also down ~204 games assuming 6 games per week. It looks pretty equal. Someone feel free to correct my historical numbers.

While CBS may have started doing game in '98, I can definitely tell you that they were NOT broadcasting any HD during the '01 season. I was doing my research for my first HDTV during the end of '01 and there were rumors that FOX might have the Super Bowl in HD that season. They ended up doing it in FOX widescreen only.

The first game I saw in HD on CBS was the playoff game after the '02 season between the Steelers and Tennessee Titans. CBS didn't show a single game all regular season in HD, but did show all the playoff games starting with the Divisional round that year. In '03 they showed 1 game a week in HD and from '04 to '06 they upped it to 3 games a week.

I have a question for our HD historians. I believe CBS started HD football broadcasts in 1998. How many years did they broadcast just one game per week? Did they start 3 games in 2005? Excluding this season, If you assume 6 years of 1 game and 2 years of 3 games a week they have broadcast a total of 204 games in HD. Since FOX has only two years of HD broadcasting, they have also down ~204 games assuming 6 games per week. It looks pretty equal. Someone feel free to correct my historical numbers.

Through week 2 of this year FOX has done 311 regular season HD broadcasts, This is their 4th year of 6 HD games per week.

CBS started doing NFL HD in 1998 with 3 regular season games, these were separate telecasts then the SD telecasts. They started with joint SD/HD telecasts in 2003 doing 19 regular season games that year. I know they did the the Thanksgiving game in 2000 in HD. I may have missed a telecast or two in the years 1999-2002, but by my count through week 2 of this year CBS has done 189 regular season HD telecasts.

Numbers for the other nets are (regular season only):
ABC: 68
ESPN:74
NBC:20
NFL: 8

The split ESPN/ABC telecast of the Saints game moved to Monday night because of Hurricane Katrina is counted for ABC.

The numbers for ESPN, NBC, and NFL Net represent 100% percent of the games they have covered since they started broadcasting in HD. ESPN started with the 2003 season, NBC and NFL Net with the 2006 season.

ABC did 17 separate telecasts in 1999 and then started with joint SD/HD telecasts in 2003. ABC's number of telecasts does not represent 100% of the games they covered between 2003 and 2005. One game in 2003 was not produced in HD, it was a Miami vs. San Diego game moved to Arizona because of wildfires.

Such B.S.
3 straight SD games for the Browns. Why dont they just rotate. I would register a complaint, but I would probably get some corporate spin that answers nothing.
Of course NYJ are 4/4 in HD. Such B.S. What makes it really annoying is watching the Tribe in 1080i looking spectacular then switching to SD for Browns Raiders.

How do they decide this anyway? Cleveland a consistently strong market for CBS and they just crap on us.

And before you flame me for sour grapes over the Raiders game today, this decision was made on 9/14.

It always strikes me as interesting that while FOX provides the non-HD games in Fox Widescreen (480i upconverted to 720p & DD5.1), so many viewers think all their NFL is HD. In other words, the ones unhappy with CBS are the ones that can't tell what is HD and what isn't......

That's not really fair since the Fox widescreen game is usually an Arizona game only shown in the home teams territory. Most people never even see them.

It always strikes me as interesting that while FOX provides the non-HD games in Fox Widescreen (480i upconverted to 720p & DD5.1), so many viewers think all their NFL is HD.
I don't see how the above relates to the below. ??
In other words, the ones unhappy with CBS are the ones that can't tell what is HD and what isn't......

Now, if CBS bothered to improve their SD games just a bit....

Take a look at these two maps to see why Cleveland is not in HD in week 2 and 3.

http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-02-CBS1.html
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-03-CBS.html

Both of those games had very small distributions around the country. There is nothing BS about it, it is simply a business decision that is based on data that you see in those maps.

As far as rotating what games are in HD, what business purpose would that serve?

Oakland (1-2) at Miami (0-3) is in HD but Baltimore (2-1) at Cleveland (1-2) isn't? What kind of logic is this????? Who makes these decisions at CBS?

Houston at Atlanta, I believe, should also be in HD for a very simple reason: Don't you wanna see the reaction in Atlanta if Matt Schaub has a huge game? ;)

And Havok, I believe the reason for the Raiders at Miami to be in HD but not Baltimore at Cleveland is due to the size of the populations in Northern CA and Miami?South Florida when compared to the sizes of Ohio and Baltimore.

Such B.S.
3 straight SD games for the Browns. Why dont they just rotate. I would register a complaint, but I would probably get some corporate spin that answers nothing.
Of course NYJ are 4/4 in HD. Such B.S. What makes it really annoying is watching the Tribe in 1080i looking spectacular then switching to SD for Browns Raiders.

How do they decide this anyway? Cleveland a consistently strong market for CBS and they just crap on us.

And before you flame me for sour grapes over the Raiders game today, this decision was made on 9/14.

Jets are from the biggest TV market and have a lot more fans. They are also better than Browns. That is why they will always get HD coverage over Browns and many other teams. Outside of Ohio nobody cares about Browns.

I don't see how the above relates to the below. ??
They are complaining about not all games in HD, but don't even know if they are watching HD or not.

Oakland (1-2) at Miami (0-3) is in HD but Baltimore (2-1) at Cleveland (1-2) isn't? What kind of logic is this????? Who makes these decisions at CBS?
Oakland and Miami are bigger nationwide markets... It's all about the money, folks. They're not gonna spend money on HD if the markets watching it are small.

Jets are from the biggest TV market and have a lot more fans. They are also better than Browns. That is why they will always get HD coverage over Browns and many other teams. Outside of Ohio nobody cares about Browns.

My point is that CBS is all about NYC. The records are the same for Jets and Browns. I dont think record has anything to do with it. This decision was made on 9/14 after week one when both Jets and Browns got killed.

Outside of Ohio nobody cares about Browns.

This is just an uniformed and ignorant statement. Browns (along with the Steelers and Packers) have very large fan bases accross the country.

I am just saying that 3 straight weeks is wrong.

Oakland and Miami are bigger nationwide markets... It's all about the money, folks. They're not gonna spend money on HD if the markets watching it are small.

Miami (16) and Cleveland (17) are in a virtual tie in market size. Using your logic, At number 5, Oakland/SF should have been enough to broadcast the OAK/CLE game in HD this week.

Oakland and Miami are bigger nationwide markets... It's all about the money, folks. They're not gonna spend money on HD if the markets watching it are small.

I can understand that but there's a big chance that more people will watch the Baltimore/Cleveland game. Most people usually don't watch a game between two of the worst teams in the NFL. Shouldn't CBS worry more about ratings and less about market size?

As far as rotating what games are in HD, what business purpose would that serve?

None if you go by the distribution maps alone.

But the maps dont tell the whole story. Cle/Oak yesterday has a combined market size of 3.9m TV homes. Compare that to SAN/G-Bay at 1.5m, Buf/NE at 3m, IND/HOU 3m, DEN/JAX 2m., SEA/CIN at 2.6m. The only larger marker was NYJ/MIA at 9m.

I think the case could be made with CLE/BAL at 2.6m (5.6m if you include DC) deserves one of the HD slots, especially considering two straight SD games.

None if you go by the distribution maps alone.

But the maps dont tell the whole story. Cle/Oak yesterday has a combined market size of 3.9m TV homes. Compare that to SAN/G-Bay at 1.5m, Buf/NE at 3m, IND/HOU 3m, DEN/JAX 2m., SEA/CIN at 2.6m. The only larger marker was NYJ/MIA at 9m.

I think the case could be made with CLE/BAL at 2.6m (5.6m if you include DC) deserves one of the HD slots, especially considering two straight SD games.

You're making the mistake of only counting the literal home team markets as the market size for a particular game. The San Diego Chargers have the entire Southern California market.

NY gets our first doubleheader of the season, only because the Giants are playing on NBC at night. :rolleyes:

None if you go by the distribution maps alone.

But the maps dont tell the whole story. Cle/Oak yesterday has a combined market size of 3.9m TV homes. Compare that to SAN/G-Bay at 1.5m, Buf/NE at 3m, IND/HOU 3m, DEN/JAX 2m., SEA/CIN at 2.6m. The only larger marker was NYJ/MIA at 9m.

I think the case could be made with CLE/BAL at 2.6m (5.6m if you include DC) deserves one of the HD slots, especially considering two straight SD games.

Your numbers are those of the home markets of the teams only, they do not include the populations of all the markets in which the games were seen.

Having two straight SD games has, and from a ratings (business) standpoint should not have any impact on the next game being in HD.

My point is that CBS is all about NYC. The records are the same for Jets and Browns. I dont think record has anything to do with it. This decision was made on 9/14 after week one when both Jets and Browns got killed.
NYC has over 6% of the TV households in this country, there is a good reason why the Jets game would be in HD over the Browns.


I am just saying that 3 straight weeks is wrong.

In what sense? CBS and Fox (yes, they do SD games as well) are not about equality of HD distribution, they are businesses that must make the decisions they feel will return the best results.

Your numbers are those of the home markets of the teams only, they do not include the populations of all the markets in which the games were seen.

Correct, but that should be part of the objective decision. I am guessing that the subjective decision is based on who may or may not be interested in a game.

Having two straight SD games has, and from a ratings (business) standpoint should not have any impact on the next game being in HD.

I respectfully disagree, assuming that served market segments are close. I think it could be argued that the one SD game CBS does each week could be rotated when the market served is close in size and hasn't seen an HD game in a while.

This would all be moot if CBS would go to 100% HD or at a minimum, improve the virtually uwatchable SD signal.

NYC has over 6% of the TV households in this country, there is a good reason why the Jets game would be in HD over the Browns.

Agreed, but it's not about NYJ over the Browns. It's about NYC. Once you drop out NYJ from the equation. That leaves 5 other games for the 94% of the country that dont care about NY unless their team is playing them.

In what sense? CBS and Fox (yes, they do SD games as well) are not about equality of HD distribution, they are businesses that must make the decisions they feel will return the best results.

In the sense that there should be some equality if the served markets are close in size. This is not only about the NFL. What about promoting the prime time programming? They pump it shamelessly. They should spread around the HD love. Cleveland is a very strong NFL market and always has been. Hell, the NFL paid for part of the stadium when they came back.

BTW, Fox SD broadcasts are way better PQ. CBS is almost unwatchable.

The good news for Browns fans is they play New England in week 5 so that should be HD. The bad news is they play New England in week 5.

lol

It always strikes me as interesting that while FOX provides the non-HD games in Fox Widescreen (480i upconverted to 720p & DD5.1), so many viewers think all their NFL is HD. In other words, the ones unhappy with CBS are the ones that can't tell what is HD and what isn't......

Not everybody. I have been on my Browns soapbox all morning. With a third straight week of SD on CBS, I would happily take 480i upconverted in lieu of CBS crappy SD.

Watching the Indians in 1080i then going to the Browns in the afternoon was a real downer. To see what is possible and then have to settle for SD everyweek is just a little frustrating (on top of being a fan of the Browns!).

Agreed, but it's not about NYJ over the Browns. It's about NYC. Once you drop out NYJ from the equation. That leaves 5 other games for the 94% of the country that dont care about NY unless their team is playing them.
Of course it is not about any one single market, but when one of those markets is NYC it is a huge boost for being in HD. The point is the last two weeks the games involving the Browns has had the smallest distribution of any of the CBS games for that week. Why should the game that is being seen in the smallest percent of the country be in HD, over ones that have higher percentages?

Week 4 will be interesting because CBS does not have a stand out game in the 1 PM slot, so some of the games in the late afternoon slot will most likely go out to smaller potential audiences then the two games in the early slot that won't be in HD.


In the sense that there should be some equality if the served markets are close in size. This is not only about the NFL. What about promoting the prime time programming? They pump it shamelessly. They should spread around the HD love. Cleveland is a very strong NFL market and always has been. Hell, the NFL paid for part of the stadium when they came back.
Over the past two weeks there has not been any other games that have roughly equal in size to what the Browns distribution has been. As far as promoting Prime Time programming. All games show the same promos and most if not all promos are in SD anyways.

Watching the Indians in 1080i then going to the Browns in the afternoon was a real downer. To see what is possible and then have to settle for SD everyweek is just a little frustrating (on top of being a fan of the Browns!).

Producing ~80 baseball games for a RSN over the course of a MLB season all from the same stadium, is a whole another stor compared to what CBS is doing.

They are doing ~91 games in HD over a 17 week season, for a national audience.

Producing ~80 baseball games for a RSN over the course of a MLB season all from the same stadium, is a whole another stor compared to what CBS is doing.

They are doing ~91 games in HD over a 17 week season, for a national audience.


Not the point. Only comparing what I saw. 1080i good - SD CBS blows.

Of course it is not about any one single market, but when one of those markets is NYC it is a huge boost for being in HD. The point is the last two weeks the games involving the Browns has had the smallest distribution of any of the CBS games for that week. Why should the game that is being seen in the smallest percent of the country be in HD, over ones that have higher percentages?

I am not saying it should. I am questioning the distribution in the first place.
The AFC central is once again the "Black and Blue" division. This game is important and should be competitive. With Washington on a bye week, I am guessing this game will be shown there adding huge numbers.

Over the past two weeks there has not been any other games that have roughly equal in size to what the Browns distribution has been. As far as promoting Prime Time programming. All games show the same promos and most if not all promos are in SD anyways.

It's the distribution that I am struggling with.

It's the distribution that I am struggling with.

What markets then do you think that the Browns game should have been seen in during week 2 and 3?

Week 2, IND/TEN was at the same time and was the number 1 game for CBS that day. The other three games in that time slot on CBS all had their game only in their home regions.

Week 3, OAK did not sellout so it was not seen in the SFO/OAK market, what other markets would have in interest in OAK/CLE?

Well first, the OAK blackout killed 4 million homes at least.

That pretty much does it right there. Week 2 is tougher to call for me.
But, the CLE/CIN game was a wildly entertaining shootout. 11 touchdowns and almost 100points. You could make the argument that it should have grabbed some of the HOU/CAR audience.

That pretty much does it right there. Week 2 is tougher to call for me.
But, the CLE/CIN game was a wildly entertaining shootout. 11 touchdowns and almost 100points. You could make the argument that it should have grabbed some of the HOU/CAR audience.

What markets in Texas or the Carolinas would be interested in CLE/CIN? If any of the markets carrying HOU/CAR would have showed a different game it would have been IND/TEN.

What markets in Texas or the Carolinas would be interested in CLE/CIN? If any of the markets carrying HOU/CAR would have showed a different game it would have been IND/TEN.

What are you a lawyer? You know what, you're right. I should just shut up and watch my s&*t SD signal from CBS and feel lucky that I am privledged to watch.

I am just saying that there is a case for the Browns or any team for that matter to be shown in HD more than 25% (or less) of the time with only one game per week in HD.

What are you a lawyer? You know what, you're right. I should just shut up and watch my s&*t SD signal from CBS and feel lucky that I am privledged to watch.

I am just saying that there is a case for the Browns or any team for that matter to be shown in HD more than 25% (or less) of the time with only one game per week in HD.

No, not a lawyer. I'm just looking at the data I have that shows very logical reasons why the games that are in SD are that way.

What is your case for showing the Browns or any other team in HD more then they are?

Jets are from the biggest TV market and have a lot more fans. They are also better than Browns. That is why they will always get HD coverage over Browns and many other teams. Outside of Ohio nobody cares about Browns.

WOW! Florida cares. The Browns have one of the largest backer groups of any NFL team. It is unfortunate that most of the fan base is spreadout over the country. Direct tv should harp on CBS to have 100% coverage. NFL sunday ticket subscribers pay a lot of money to watch one game in High def! They are going to lose revenue very quickly if thngs do not change.

WOW! Florida cares. The Browns have one of the largest backer groups of any NFL team. It is unfortunate that most of the fan base is spreadout over the country. Direct tv should harp on CBS to have 100% coverage. NFL sunday ticket subscribers pay a lot of money to watch one game in High def! They are going to lose revenue very quickly if thngs do not change.

Things will change, next year when all games will be HD. I have a feeling D* is not too concerned about not having all CBS and FOX games in HD this year.

It looks like crappy CBS 4x3 SD for me in Atlanta. It is hands down the worst.

No, not a lawyer. I'm just looking at the data I have that shows very logical reasons why the games that are in SD are that way.

What is your case for showing the Browns or any other team in HD more then they are?

I have tried to make it but you are only interested in hard data that supports your "logic". You seem singularly focused on the maps. There is more to it than that. There is also good will being fair to all markets. Cleveland Baltimore is an interesting game that should deserve consideration for a wider audience.

Cleveland is a strong NFL market that supports the Browns in both attendance and TV ratings. Cleveland has Browns Backers clubs all over the country and those viewers would be interested.

When I lived in Tampa in the early 90's, the local NBC affiliate would allow viewers to call in an vote for the AFC game every week (being an NFC town). Almost every week they picked the Browns.

At this point, lets agree to disagree. It's not all hard data and logic bro.

It's not all hard data and logic bro.

Of course it is. FOX had 7 games Sunday (they only do 6 in HD) and showed AZ @ Baltimore in SD because it only went to 6% of the country, it's smallest audience. Why would you think CBS does it differently? The smallest audience is going to get the lower tier announcers and SD if needed. It's as simple as that.

It's not all hard data and logic bro.

In the ratings game, very rarely is it not hard data and logic.

Cleveland Baltimore is an interesting game that should deserve consideration for a wider audience.

Cleveland is a strong NFL market that supports the Browns in both attendance and TV ratings. Cleveland has Browns Backers clubs all over the country and those viewers would be interested.

Cleveland ranks 17th in popularity, Baltimore ranks 30th - ahead of only Jacksonville and New Orleans. (Cincinnati is 24th) They're also the victim of their opponents.

Cleveland ranks 17th in popularity, Baltimore ranks 30th - ahead of only Jacksonville and New Orleans. (Cincinnati is 24th) They're also the victim of their opponents.


Nope.
Current TV DMA (Market) Rankings:
Cleveland 17
Denver 18
St. Louis 21
Pittsburgh 22
Baltimore 24
Indy 25
Charlotte 26
San Diego 27
Nashville 30
KC 31
Cincy 33
Buffalo 49
Jax 50
New Orleans 54
Green Bay 69

And Cleveland is within two tenths of a percentage point of:
Miami 16
Minn 15
Seattle 14
Phoenix 13
Tampa 12

Cleveland is a bigger market than 14 other NFL cities. Odds should dictate that should hit an HD game more than once every 4 weeks.

But that's ok. It doesn't matter. There is no argument, logic, defense or whatever that I can provide that seems to gain any empathy here.

I mainatain that it is more than hard data. Cleveland does not deserve to be the only SD game every week on CBS. It's BS.

But that's ok. It doesn't matter. There is no argument, logic, defense or whatever that I can provide that seems to gain any empathy here.

It might help if you don't misquote people to make a different point. :rolleyes:

I posted about "Popularity" (fanbase) of the teams, not DMA size. You could have the #4 DMA vs. the #8 DMA and the viewership % might still be dead last. Popularity outside the home market, along with the appeal of the matchup will help get coverage outside of the two teams' DMAs.

The ultimate "Logic" argument is that the games with the most viewers will be available in HD and the game(s) going to the fewest number of homes will be the one(s) selected to be in SD.

It might help if you don't misquote people to make a different point. :rolleyes:

I posted about "Popularity" (fanbase) of the teams, not DMA size. You could have the #4 DMA vs. the #8 DMA and the viewership % might still be dead last. Popularity outside the home market, along with the appeal of the matchup will help get coverage outside of the two teams' DMAs.

The ultimate "Logic" argument is that the games with the most viewers will be available in HD and the game(s) going to the fewest number of homes will be the one(s) selected to be in SD.

I have always been talking DMA's. Did not mean to misquote, but I did not read between the lines as to what you meant by "Popularity".
I am confident Cleveland ranks much higher than 17th anyway.
They have a large loyal fan base, they are ranked #7 on Forbes list of most valuable NFL teams (Panthers are 8 fyi) and ahead of teams in like Bears, Packers, Dolphins, Steelers and both NY teams. The wouldnt be there without strong support.

But none of that matters. Some suit thinks that nobody wants to watch Cle/Bal and decides to send that game only to the home markets and that game is the only SD game of the week on CBS. I just think Cleveland is getting the short end of the HD stick.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=700

Cleveland ranks 17th and has very little support outside of the Midwest. And note Baltimore's ranking 3rd from last. We know this poll is accurate because the Steelers are ranked #1 with broad national support - and that is certainly true. ;)

The ultimate "Logic" argument is that the games with the most viewers will be available in HD and the game(s) going to the fewest number of homes will be the one(s) selected to be in SD.

Of the 57 SD games on CBS last year, only 11 had a wider distribution then an HD game the same week.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=700

Cleveland ranks 17th and has very little support outside of the Midwest. And note Baltimore's ranking 3rd from last. We know this poll is accurate because the Steelers are ranked #1 with broad national support - and that is certainly true. ;)


According to this poll of 2,747 total adults and only 1306 who follow football.
I would consider that a very light sample for our nations most popular sport.

Millions watch these games every week. Even if only 1 million people watched football, thats less than a one tenth % sample. Hardly enough. They can't even calculate an accurate sampling error.

Of the 57 SD games on CBS last year, only 11 had a wider distribution then an HD game the same week.

Thats about 20%. Pretty significant if you ask me.

So what do the maps say this week?
Whats the distribution? Just for grins.

Thats about 20%. Pretty significant if you ask me.

There are reasons for that...

1) affiliates change what game they are getting after the HD decisions have been made (altering the %)

2) at times last season there would be 2HD games (out of 5) at 1pm and 1 (out of 2) at 4pm.
The 4pm SD game would sometimes get a larger % than the 2nd 1pm HD game... just due to obvious limitations.
(there are multiple ways for this to be applied.... but the point is with games at 2 times - the % don't completely tell the story)

There are reasons for that...

1) affiliates change what game they are getting after the HD decisions have been made (altering the %)

2) at times last season there would be 2HD games (out of 5) at 1pm and 1 (out of 2) at 4pm.
The 4pm SD game would sometimes get a larger % than the 2nd 1pm HD game... just due to obvious limitations.
(there are multiple ways for this to be applied.... but the point is with games at 2 times - the % don't completely tell the story)

Did CBS have 5 HD setups last year? I cant recall. Something tells me it was less.

At any rate, it is still very frustrating. Especially because HD Football games look so great compared to SD.

:mad::mad: this is now the third week in a row that the BROWNS are in SD

so i will have to see those bars that say "RZC HD" on the side of my screen again whenever something happens in this game... :mad::mad: thanks CBS lol.

it was painfully enough having to watch they score 51 points in week 2 IN SD :mad::mad:

btw i am not a browns fan, just not a fan of CBS or NFL in SD.

Thats about 20%. Pretty significant if you ask me.

So what do the maps say this week?
Whats the distribution? Just for grins.

The maps are up for this week. You can see them here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=913934

As far as the numbers this week, too early to tell as there will be changes to the distribution between now and late this week.

CBS did only 3 HD games a week last year.

Did CBS have 5 HD setups last year? I cant recall. Something tells me it was less.

At any rate, it is still very frustrating. Especially because HD Football games look so great compared to SD.

you cant remember?

anyone who's been around here knows it 3


and i even said 3 in my post (2 + 1 = 3)

you cant remember?

anyone who's been around here knows it 3


and i even said 3 in my post (2 + 1 = 3)

Missed it sorry. I had tickets last year so I went to most of the home games and did not pay that much attention to exactly how many. Just cant afford the tix anymore. It seems to me the Browns were on HD two or three times last year.

Missed it sorry. I had tickets last year so I went to most of the home games and did not pay that much attention to exactly how many. Just cant afford the tix anymore. It seems to me the Browns were on HD two or three times last year.

The Browns had 5 HD games last year, they ranked 30th in the NFL for the number of HD games.

Of the 57 SD games on CBS last year, only 11 had a wider distribution then an HD game the same week.

Some of that is the other factors involved such as the preference for offering a good showcase for the large market inter-conference games they carry. CBS only gets 2 Giants, Eagles, Chicago, etc. games and they want their limited exposure to those NFC markets to leave a good impression.

The Browns had 5 HD games last year, they ranked 30th in the NFL for the number of HD games.

The way things are going, they will probaby repeat this dubious honor.

That probably included a coulple home games. I seem to remember joking about wanting to stay home once because it was in HD. :)

My hometown is 50% Browns fans, so I'm used to hearing the complaining and disappointment. ;)

Some of that is the other factors involved such as the preference for offering a good showcase for the large market inter-conference games they carry. CBS only gets 2 Giants, Eagles, Chicago, etc. games and they want their limited exposure to those NFC markets to leave a good impression.

The numbers from last year really do not show that. Of the 11 games that had wider distribution 3 involved NE, 3 involved IND, and 2 had SD playing.

The Giants only SD game last year was their sole appearance on CBS (the other AFC @ NYG was a prime time game). Of the 29 AFC @ NFC games CBS had last year 17 were in HD. Only Chicago, Dallas, New Orleans, and Green Bay had both of the games in HD. Detroit's sole HD appearance on CBS was on Thanksgiving, the other 8 HD games were spread among the other 11 NFC teams.

As far as the numbers from last year go, having a good team or Brett Farve (it didn't hurt they played NE and NYJ at home) is more important then what NFC markets CBS will be showing the game in.

The way things are going, they will probaby repeat this dubious honor.

That probably included a coulple home games. I seem to remember joking about wanting to stay home once because it was in HD. :)

4 of the 5 were home games. The lone road game was on NFL Network.

Farve is gonna get lots of preferential treatment this year if they keep it up. This could be his last year - again. ;)

The way things are going, they will probaby repeat this dubious honor.


Looking at the schedule I see a minimum of 7 Browns HD games and a probably SD widecreen game from FOX. Chances are high that number will be higher, 7 is very conservative for now.

Looking at the schedule I see a minimum of 7 Browns HD games and a probably SD widecreen game from FOX. Chances are high that number will be higher, 7 is very conservative for now.

I hope you are right. 7 I could live with. That translates to every other week from here on out. I can even live with the Fox widescreen over the brutal CBS SD.