Looks slightly better than the SD preshow. Very good SD was almost as good as average HD.

Hey did Ray just get censored? Or was that a technical blip?

Look like FOX just censored out a joke by Ray Romano about Kelsey Grammer,

The audio was cut and FOX switched to a high shot of the theater with a giant sliver ball blocking the stage view.

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I thought that was a censor.
The way he was going on and on, I was wondering if kicked Ryan out to the street and took over the hosting gig.

Talk about an uncomfortable opening:rolleyes:

The 59th Annual Emmy Awards
Live on FOX from the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles, for the first time in HDTV.
8pm ET

From The AP
'Sopranos' Targets Its Last Emmys

'Sopranos,' `Ugly Betty' Among Top Emmy Contenders; Ryan Seacrest Hosts 59th Annual Ceremony

"The Sopranos" took aim Sunday at its final Emmy Awards while "Heroes" and "Ugly Betty" made a stand for television's new generation.

The mob saga, which ended its six-season run in June, was competing for best drama series and was prominent in the acting categories, with stars James Gandolfini and Edie Falco and supporting players Michael Imperioli, Aida Turturro and Lorraine Bracco up for honors.

"The Sopranos" wasn't a sure bet for the top trophy, which it claimed in 2004: It's rarely gone to a drama after it's off the air. The series also faced tough rivals that included "Grey's Anatomy," the controversy-rocked medical drama, and sci-fi freshman hit "Heroes."

Last year's winner, "24," was snubbed in the nominations.

Newcomer "Ugly Betty," the high-camp series adapted from a Colombian telenovela, was nominated for best comedy and drew a bid for star America Ferrera. Another freshman comedy, "30 Rock," which has drawn critical raves but low ratings, and last year's winner "The Office" also were vying for the comedy crown.

As showtime neared, a parade of stars walked the red carpet: Tony Shalhoub, Eva Longoria, Marcia Cross, Felicity Huffman, William H. Macy, John Stewart, Helen Mirren, Steve Carell and Julie Louis Dreyfuss. Fans cheered, screamed and snapped pictures.

Ryan Seacrest of "American Idol" fame was to host the 59th annual Primetime Emmy Awards show, set to air on Fox from the downtown Shrine Auditorium.

Fans started arriving early Sunday afternoon, filling a set of bleachers overlooking the red carpet.

The usually staid ceremony had a shot at some MTV-style brashness: There were hints that Justin Timberlake might perform the song from "(Blank) in a Box," the racy "Saturday Night Live" fake music video about a gift-wrapped part of the male anatomy.

Watching via Comcast in NYC. Looks and sounds great (other than that weird cutaway during Ray Romano -- which i assume was either an egregious master control error or Ray said or did something that was caught by the tape delay police).

FOX force the crowd to laugh? :P

Sorry for the late topic.

It’s bad enough “actors” :rolleyes: go into spaz mode during an award show but now with this theatre in the round… can they make them look more uncomfortable?

Tina Fey looks super hot tonight!

This show looks stunning in comparison to Sunday Night Football. In fact the preshow looks better than what NBC has on the air right now, and that's just said. Granted the Emmys has a much bigger budget (and they obsess over how a certain shot will look in HD) than a SNF game, the techincal talent pool however still is as good as it gets for both productions. It's somewhat a shame NBC cant get its issues straightened out considering they are probably winning the ratings war tonight.

I agree, ABCTV. SNF is almost unwatchable with the constant macroblocking and motion blur.

...It's somewhat a shame NBC cant get its issues straightened out considering they are probably winning the ratings war tonight. Not to mention the ESPN Sunday Night Baseball, where I’m heading off to right now.:cool: And yes, the Emmys do look and sound fantastic here on TWCNC.

FOX censored the feed again.

Yea thats a very sloppy way to censor a program. A simple beep would be sufficient rather than throwing up some random shot of the preshow.

FOX censored the feed again.

Katherine Heigl said ****.... they just missed

Yes...when Katherine Heigl won she mouthed the word "sh-t" and the shot went immediately to the big ball.

I'm surprised Fox isn't censoring all the Bush jokes.

boy that chick is furry

This is the worst dance choreography I've seen since Britney.

Yes...when Katherine Heigl won she mouthed the word "sh-t" and the shot went immediately to the big ball.

I'm surprised Fox isn't censoring all the Bush jokes. The only censoring that should occur is the obvious “curse” words. If this production is picking and choosing other things than that is very wrong. We won’t know until later if Ray Romano actually said a “bad” word.

They could just momentarily pull the audio feed instead of going to that big ball shot.

...or they could just leave the thing alone.

Any chance FOX can find a new host before the show is over?

That last joke about Vanessa was 100% lame.

Ryan Seacrest has the charisma of a soapdish.

This is the worst dance choreography I've seen since Britney.

Yea that Tony Bennett thing completely fell flat. If you've ever seen the Tony Bennett DVD that the original act is from (and what Rob Marshall won the Emmy for) its exceptionally nicely done, but in the context of the middle of an awards show, especially one trying to be hip and trendy, it just fell completely flat.

I don't think people today appreciate what a massive phenomenon Roots was. It is easily one of television's finest creations.

Best line of the night,
Marica Cross about the award winner: "She's not here, I don't know where she is, I'm sure she's thrilled."

All lip-syncers must die.

The only censoring that should occur is the obvious “curse” words. If this production is picking and choosing other things than that is very wrong. We won’t know until later if Ray Romano actually said a “bad” word.

They should blare the music or cut the audio if any of them go off topic. Thank who you want to thank and get your butts off the stage so these shows don't stretch into the wee hours of the morning.

If you want to say anything else, buy an ad.

In my opinion the show has been very well produced and directed.

Other than Ryan Seacrest's inimitable lameness, the show hasn't been bad. I'm a little disappointed in the Sopranos segment though.

Did we need the Sopranos cast on stage? That whole segment seemed a bit much.

Very nice PQ.

Even the person on the censor switch was late when Heigl (did I say it right? :) ) won. They should just not censor

That Soprano’s full cast walk on was very cool. Didn’t make much sense but it was cool. Funny seeing all of the dead people .

Lewis Black is even more of a hero now.

I certainly hope someone from TNT is listening to Lewis Black...its just too bad this isnt the FCC. I'm glad someone is saying this stuff though.

HELL YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No bugs and crawls on the screen!!!

Preach on brother!!!!

I think someone must have hog-tied the Fox censor when Lewis Black showed his face.

He actually seemed much more subdued than usual.

He shouldn’t have ended it with the gratuitous FOX promo joke. That kind of lightened the brass in his front two pockets.;)

You know i was trying to figure out just how Al Gore would make his obligatory award show appearance and voila!

I'd like to smack the inventor of double-sided sticky tape right about now.

Tony Bennett walks right back to his seat, that's a classic.

He's old school, baby.

People watching the nominated show clips on their cell phones and iPods.
Interesting but a bit nerdy and odd.

I'm sure that's a digital part of the production - like the mega plasma on the field of an earlier FOX game that had ads on it.

"I spent 500 bucks on this damn stupid thing, I'm usin' it!!"

I'd like to smack the inventor of double-sided sticky tape right about now.
You own hand would probably stick.

I have to say this is much better than the MTV awards. :D

I need to say this once....Ryan Seacrest was a BAAAAAD choice.

Of course the people "selected randomly" selected already have mics on :P

No wonder this show will not end till 12am :P

People watching the nominated show clips on their cell phones and iPods.
Interesting but a bit nerdy and odd.

They did that last year its pretaped and composited ahead of time. Just like the Family Guy thing at the top of the show.

did I hear the announcer say "Steve Car-yell"?

I think that was Steve doing the voice over and said his own name wrong as a joke.

I love how that last segment with Steve and John was 5min long yet when someone gets on stage to accept an award they tell them to hurry up.

Sally Field just got censord,
She was saying "If mothers ruled the world there would be no god dam....."
They deleted "War" by going to the loop video tape with the giant sliver globe.

ABCTV99, how did ABC handle the censoring of the show?
The FOX method is real bad tonight.

ABCTV99, how did ABC handle the censoring of the show?

They didn't.

James Spader?

Yeah, those other guys, Leary, Laurie, Gandolfini and Sutherland were just outclassed.

And the Emmys wonder why people laugh at them year after year after year.

James Spader??!! WTF????

Sally Field just got censord,
She was saying "If mothers ruled the world there would be no god d....."
They deleted "War" by going to the loop video tape with the giant sliver globe.


They didn't censor "war" - she said that a few times earlier. They censored GD.

They censored from g-d to the end of her speech, so who knows what she said after that.

Ok, it was a guess on my part but I think her whole sentence was going to be,
"If mothers ruled the world there would be no god dam war."

If she would have just shut up and kept her politics to her self it would have been easier.

They didn't.Aside from some sporting events which contractually cannot be delayed, just about all live network programming is sent through a delay. It used to be that just censoring the audio was good enough, but in this era of very aggressive FCC fines networks are not taking any chances with lip reading. One slip can cost 3.5 million.

ABC developed a very good system several years ago. Nancy and friends at ABC BS&P are amazingly good at eliminating as little as needed. Typically a 5 second delay is used, but more difficult shows can use a longer delay. CBS uses a 1 minute delay on Big Brother.

Canadian networks will often get feeds without the delay.

Ok, it was a guess on my part but I think her whole sentence was going to be,
"If mothers ruled the world there would be no god dam war."

If she would have just shut up and kept her politics to her self it would have been easier.

i think she meant 'War' in general... not a specific current war

Yea thats a very sloppy way to censor a program. A simple beep would be sufficient rather than throwing up some random shot of the preshow.

The only way it could have been more subtle would have been had they put up the "Indian Chief" test pattern and played some David Rose Orchestra tea time music behind it...

Just got done watching off the DVR, it looked great on WJBK in Detroit. I could have done without the political stuff, but I guess that is par for the course for Hollywood awards shows now a days.

I loved the rant by Lewis Black, thought that was great. Ryan Seacrest was not a good host.

The Sopranos, huh? Didn't see that coming.;)

I wonder if Lewis Black reads this website. If he does, I'm convinced that Bicker and he are not the same person :rolleyes: I sure hope that program executives get the strong message he presented. I also hope that the movie and tv producers also got the message and get on the network executives about all the garbage they interrupt their movies and programs with. Kudos to Lewis Black.

One thing I found interesting, and for me a big plus, is that no one "Thanked God" for winning. It seems every award or sporting show the first thing out of the winner's mouth is "I thank God..." Do the losers sit there and "Thank God" to?

Over all for me it was kind of an enhh of a show, a bit boring, a bit annoying (SEACREST!!!), a few stupid surprises (Spader...), with a few class acts tossed in.

On the HD side it was very well done, except for the censor cuts. I remember way back when that this level of production was only hoped for. Well done on that count.

My HR20 is back to its stuttering ways again. Fantastic!

Random thoughts....

Ryan Seacrest... meh, there's better choices, and worse choices....

Dumb way to censor.

Ray Romano took too long.

HD looked good.

Steve Carell running up on the stage, classic. Loved it.

Always get choked up at the "In Memoriam" montage.

Jersey Boys, WTF? But they can sure sing well.

30 Rock! Yea! Where was Alec Baldwin on during Tina's speech?

Speaking of Alec, I thought it was great the he presented right after Tony Bennet was on stage. I was almost hoping he would do his Tony Bennet impersonation from SNL, that would have been great.

Spader? Excuse me? WTF??? (I like Spader in general, but puh-leese)

The Sopranos on Stage, pretty cool, a last hurrah for them for a job well done. Good for them.

Terry O'Quinn, love that he won, I would have thought Michael Emerson over him, but... I'll take it. Nice speech Terry.

Lewis Black! Yes!! Wayne Brady, pretty funny (medieval pimp!)

I just feel bad that Friday Night lights was prtty much ignored, save one nomination for something that I can't even remember.

Brad Garrret, hilarious! He's back stong after the divorce.

Thanks for letting me share my thoughts... Good night. :)

Spader? Excuse me? WTF??? (I like Spader in general, but puh-leese)


Of what I saw I thought his speech was the best. Even he seemed amazed and confused that he won.

The Fox "in-the-round" set was terrible! Very tacky. It looked like it was made of parts left over from American Idol. I was expecting Simon Cowell to be sat behind those monitors in the background. And it sucked to be whoever got those seats for three hours. Awards shows are long enough when you can actually see the person who is winning.

But the picture quality was good.

Of what I saw I thought his speech was the best. Even he seemed amazed and confused that he won.

And he was funny. Very good off-the-cuff humorous remarks.

I also thought the introduction of the “Late Night” variety writers was very funny - especially, Conan O’Brien and Bill Maher.

I watched only to see what the Sopranos would win, so I FF through a lot, but what I did see looked very good PQ wise.

Look like FOX just censored out a joke by Ray Romano about Kelsey Grammer

Australia showed this delayed at around 10pm after Californication so I checked it out - why on Earth would they censor what he said in the US broadcast? You wouldn't even need to beep that no matter how strict you were wanting to be.

Katherine Heigl said ****.... they just missed

They must have got the wrong part as she said that (you could read her lips) then she faced her Mum. Looks like they were a bit late by the sounds of it.

Sally Field just got censord,
She was saying "If mothers ruled the world there would be no god dam....."
They deleted "War" by going to the loop video tape with the giant sliver globe.


I see that on Letterman, why to they not allow that on TV? Strangely enough they (in Australia) showed her entire speech on the local 4:30pm News. Two completely different worlds in terms of censorship it seems.

Edit: It was unfortunately 16:9 SD here - not sure why they didn't get the HD version with such a long delay.

The only way it could have been more subtle would have been had they put up the "Indian Chief" test pattern and played some David Rose Orchestra tea time music behind it...:D Very funny.... and true.

The censoring was about as smooth as the last edit in The Soprano’s finale.

And he was funny. Very good off-the-cuff humorous remarks.

I also thought the introduction of the “Late Night” variety writers was very funny - especially, Conan O’Brien and Bill Maher.

I watched only to see what the Sopranos would win, so I FF through a lot, but what I did see looked very good PQ wise.

Outside of Spader my other favorite acceptance speech was Steve Carell for not winning, on behalf of Ricky Gervais.

...I also thought the introduction of the “Late Night” variety writers was very funny - especially, Conan O’Brien...:D That was great comedy—nice juxtaposition with the migrant workers and writers—and the strike looming.:cool:

Australia showed this delayed at around 10pm after Californication so I checked it out - why on Earth would they censor what he said in the US broadcast? You wouldn't even need to beep that no matter how strict you were wanting to be.

Californication - on broadcast? Certainly different standards down under. :)

What was the Ray Romano/Kelsey Grammer comment that got censored here?

Californication - on broadcast? Certainly different standards down under. :)

Yeah, I was saying that in the other thread which surprised people - strange I thought. Even the episode at the work party was left in-tact which is good to see. I hate it when they cut shows for whatever reason, after 8:30pm all is fair play.

What was the Ray Romano/Kelsey Grammer comment that got censored here?

According to the second post they cut something about Frasier. The only thing that he said on that one was when he was talking about how things have changed since his show went off the air... "From what I hear, Frasier is screwing my wife... What? What? Patty, how could you? We have TV children."

Surely that wasn't it. There was nothing else mentioned about Frasier besides that and no cuts/dropouts so I can only assume that was it.

... "From what I hear, Frasier is screwing my wife... What? What? Patty, how could you? We have TV children.":confused:What a bone head censor.

That was a funny joke, :D probably Ray’s funniest line in his presentation. Thanks for filling in the gap Offline.:cool:

Where was Dexter? One of the best acted, directed, written shows I've seen.

:confused:What a bone head censor.

I really think that it was a bit over the top no matter how you look at it. I guess they were playing the better safe that sorry card a bit too tight. Glad I could fill it in anyway, it was actually amusing... at least compared to the rest of his routine.

So, the inimitable Hugh Laurie gets the Emmy snub again? :rolleyes:

If they gave Spader the Emmy, they should have gone the whole hog and given one to Shatner as well !! If ever there was an Emmy for the best couple on TV, Spader and Shatner should win it !! :) And Keifer Sutherland nominated for "best actor" ?? What's up with that? :rolleyes: :) Why not Dominic Purcell and/or Wentworth Miller?

It was quite nice to see Lost win at least one Emmy.. (Yay, Terry O'Quinn !!).

sally field getting censored was great..... not for nothing, but i am sick and tired of celebrities giving their views of politics....

sally field getting censored was great..... not for nothing, but i am sick and tired of celebrities giving their views of politics....As discussed earlier in this thread-- it was more of a Woman over a Man issue and her vulgar way of phrasing. This was not one of those I hate _____ moments. But yes, you are right, regardless, they should have used some of that double stick tape-- they misused all night:p:D and make her chew on that.:cool:

I guess they had to give it to Sopranos, but based on merit alone, Friday Night Lights and Deadwood and even Dexter were better this year than Sopranos was. But that's how it is. They always give make-up awards

And good god, is the Emmy contractually obligated to award any TV movie made by HBO? Most of those things are hallmark-level stuff dressed up with big budget and big name stars. I wish HBO would stop wasting their (read: our) money on that crap already.

HBO unfortunately makes great movies... did i think 30 rock was funnier then the office.... hell no, but what can you do...

Congrats to 30 Rock on a well-deserved Emmy, and to Tina Fey for thanking the show's "dozens and dozens of viewers". :p

Oh, and how could I forget Jaime Pressley? She steals the show whenever she's on screen. It's great to see her get the recognition she deserves for her work on My Name is Earl.

I thought the PQ was great - shows just how good 720P can look on Fox. I was so glad to hear commentary against on screen promotion which is growing out of control. Unfortunately I think it falls on deaf ears, especially with the audience fragmentation and loss of total viewers. The irony is that it could be contributing to that loss. Kudos to Fox for getting this show out of the SD stone age. Hopefully this sets a precedent for the other networks.

As for the censorship - get used to it as this will likely become common on all the broadcast networks. Even with the U.S. Court of Appeals in NY overturning the FCC's recent decisions, there is a huge chill on broadcasting to error on the side of economic safety. Add to that the program material for largest fine in FCC history did not contain any dirty words or nudity. Now the censors are forced to make a split second decision on whether the topic of discussion might get Kevin Martin's panties in a wad and take out whole sentences. US children (of all ages) appear to be so venerable now that a video cutaway is necessary. It makes me wonder how the rest of us survived growing up watching live TV without such protection.

sally field getting censored was great..... not for nothing, but i am sick and tired of celebrities giving their views of politics....

Like LL3HD said - it wasn't the politics that got her censored (when Sopranos won, they called the administration "gangsters" and that went uncensored) it was the use of G-D. For the people most likely to complain, G-D is worse than the "F-word" and will likely continue to be censored on any live broadcast.

Jaime Pressley's eyes teared up. She was truly deserving, and the win appeared to be totally unexpected to her. There is no finer depiction of trailer trash in the universe!

sally field ok... but everyone else tries to get a cheap pop for making fun of the administration...... ok we get it hollywood, you guys hate bush but seriously, i dont care anymore, sit down and let the show continue


i also laughed when helen mirren said the thing about the USA and people were alittle shocked

One thing I found interesting, and for me a big plus, is that no one "Thanked God" for winning. It seems every award or sporting show the first thing out of the winner's mouth is "I thank God..." Do the losers sit there and "Thank God" to?



That's because Hollywood is full of nothing but godless liberals, where have you been? ;)

I think this was the worst awards show broadcast I've ever seen, I could only stand about 20 minutes of it. The round stage was stupid and a horrible decision and the last straw for me was all the zooming in on cell phones before they showed clips. The idiots that made these decisions should be fired. PQ was good but the execution of the show was horrible IMO.

Wait until the Academy awards. If Tom Cruise has his way, they'll be showing all clips on little Helio phones. :)

CTV in Canada did not censor Sally Field.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b3_1190041214&p=1

There was enough anti administration stuff spread out to bring joy to any Blue state pom pom wavier.

G*d damn straight. :)

http://www.clicket.com/images/15203.jpg

G*d damn straight. :):p Ha! Very “darn” clever.

If we could talk politics here, I'd say that I’d like to poll her… you know, get her opinion on things… but since we can’t go there then I guess... I’d still say the same thing. :D

... "From what I hear, Frasier is screwing my wife... What? What? Patty, how could you? We have TV children."
:confused:What a bone head censor.

That was a funny joke, :D probably Ray’s funniest line in his presentation. Thanks for filling in the gap Offline.:cool:

I heard it was,

"Frasier is fu**king my TV wife...Patty how could you? We have TV children.


There is a big difference between screw and fu**, but I wish there was a bleep out instead of missing the entire joke.

I heard it was,

"Frasier is fu**king my TV wife...Patty how could you? We have TV children.


There is a big difference between screw and fu**, but I wish there was a bleep out instead of missing the entire joke.IF that is true... it obviously warranted censoring and he should be castigated in some way. He knows as well as anyone what the broadcast standards are and what certainly is not permissible. That joke could have aired with simply saying “sleeping with” and it still would have been funny.

Edit: press reports are that it was "screwing"

Maybe Ray Romano is trying to shed his "family oriented" image.

Certainly does call his judgement into question using this type of humor in a nationally televised show during family viewing hours.

His comments about Doris Roberts thinking their show was still on showed that he will even pick on old people for a laugh.

Guess he left his best stuff on his show.

He certainly didn't earn any love for Raymond last night.

All of the reports are pretty much the same, and they're saying Ray said, screwing.

According to current press reports the verb was “screwing” which is certainly not the F-bomb. I guess it would fall in the category of their discretion. Like I said, he could have used “sleeping with” and all should have been fine.

Early in the broadcast, Fox was forced to drop picture and sound during a stand-up monologue from Romano. Referring to the upcoming Fox series "Back to You" featuring "Frasier" star Kelsey Grammer and his own former co-star on "Everybody Loves Raymond," Patricia Heaton, Romano said, "Frasier is screwing my wife." Fox opted to eliminate the verb from the aforementioned sentence.
http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN1628844020070917

CTV in Canada did not censor Sally Field.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b3_1190041214&p=1That's because kids in Canada are not damaged by language as US kids are.

That's because kids in Canada are not damaged by language as US kids are.:rolleyes:That reminds me of the joke (forgot the comedian) where the guy who smokes, looks for the pack of cigarettes with the “good” Surgeon General warning on it-- that doesn’t matter to him. “Oooooh fetal defect…yeah man, this is for me, screw that throat cancer pack. I’ll take this one.” :eek::p

Screw as a verb (sexually) probably would fall in all network censors grey area. For a live show, they probably have much tighter standards because there's not as much time to debate those grey areas.

It's a shame the censors can't use a bleep and a censor bar over the mouth instead of that awkward center stage shot.

I also think it's odd that "g*dd*mn" is still considered censorable. As I understand it, "Jesus Christ" or "Christ" used as an exclamation of surprise is also prohibited. I guess it goes back to a highly selective Judeo-Christian-Islamic morality being enforced upon all, regardless of the actual law (http://www.fcc.gov/eb/oip/FAQ.html#TheLaw). As many have pointed out, that Sally Fields' speech has been labeled as political, which further reinforces the fact that what she said could not have been censored for being obscene. Also by my count, her speech took place well after 10PM, which would place it under the "safe harbor" for "profane" language.

Politics and language aside, I didn't mind the round stage. A backdrop of out of focus celebs is just as good as one of a curtain or video screen. Besides, that allowed for that cool cylindrical display hanging from the ceiling. I also enjoyed the Family Guy musical start, though they were larger than they should have been in "real life".

sally field ok... but everyone else tries to get a cheap pop for making fun of the administration...... ok we get it hollywood, you guys hate bush ...

May be what you don't get is so do some 65% of the population and they would love such jokes. Can you imagine John Stewart for eg. without such jokes.

It's a shame the censors can't use a bleep and a censor bar over the mouth instead of that awkward center stage shot.It's live "editing", not much chance of getting that lined up in 5 seconds.
Also by my count, her speech took place well after 10PM, which would place it under the "safe harbor" for "profane" language.But it's an hour earlier in the central and mountain time zones, so it becomes irrelevant.

The ball also covers something visual happening like a streaker, flasher, or someone shooting someone on stage. It isn't just to cover lips.

That's assuming the ball shot is live. I think the ball is there to block the stage for better continuity from a pre-recorded shot. The censoring is probably done at Fox TOC and would require a separate feed for a live ball shot.

The ball shot doesn't have to be live.

It's live "editing", not much chance of getting that lined up in 5 seconds.
You're telling me you can't place an overlay on that static center shot or a secondary camera for a person standing right in front of a mic? Granted, I can understand not getting Katherine "Not-Heigel" blurred for her reaction from her seat, but a stationary person? Even a wandering unfunny Romano might pose some problems, but why not just mute and flip to a camera shot of the back of his head? Those cameras were clearly in place already. I guess I'm complaining more about their use of that disco-ball shot to censor rather than a less jarring shot.

And I still find it ironic that perhaps the one of the least offensive of the Ten Commandments warrants an automatic censor. "But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work." Apparently the NFL is our new religion (or college football as it may be). "Thou shalt not kill... not commit adultery... not steal... not bear false witness... not covet..." Perfectly okay to glamorize and condone even. But "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain" clearly merits $325,000 per act.

No worries about what the actual laws or rules might say, the mere idea of complaints is enough to warrant heavy handed censorship nowadays.

May be what you don't get is so do some 65% of the population and they would love such jokes. Can you imagine John Stewart for eg. without such jokes.


no i get it... but there is a place for that... its called his show or anyone else's show... this is an awards show... sorry but it gets tiring and repetitive... i dont like bush either but just say your acceptance speech already

no i get it... but there is a place for that... its called his show or anyone else's show... this is an awards show... sorry but it gets tiring and repetitive... i dont like bush either but just say your acceptance speech already
She plays a mother on the show for which she won an Emmy. A major story arc involved her son being called back to Iraq. The season finale was that son's departure and the effect on the family. And it's out of place for her to bring that up?

I can see "tiring and repetitive" for thanking your family, your agent, your crew which probably happened in every other speech. Can you name the other actors that gave acceptance speeches like Fields' that made it so repetitive for you? I didn't find it terribly repetitive myself, though I think I remember one other similar mention in a speech.

You're telling me you can't place an overlay on that static center shot or a secondary camera for a person standing right in front of a mic? Granted, I can understand not getting Katherine "Not-Heigel" blurred for her reaction from her seat, but a stationary person?Covering the video to prevent lip reading on live shows is a recent development. It's fairly common practice on edited shows to cover only the lips but for live editing it's not a luxury yet. Did he move, was it over his mouth - not decisions that are practical to make in 5 seconds. Just getting the timing right is hard enough.

As for taking another camera that's already there, the cover video would require a separate path to the delay system which is often off-site at the network TOC. Two more paths would be required to ensure reliability which means more expense. Believe it or not these shows don't have unlimited budgets and transmission is a place they hate to spend money. A pre-recorded cover shot at the TOC ensures that nothing undesirable will be shown. Granted it's not the most graceful, but the main concern is to avoid a $3.5 million dollar per incident fine.

The Janet Jackson incident started this extreme approach, which would have garnered little attention just about anywhere else. As I said, get used to it while this FCC is in power.

Last edited by CPanther95 : Yesterday at 11:25 PM. Reason: Complaint received for languageI was so offended I was going to report your a** to a mod! :D

As Kib mentioned earlier today.... :D
Can’t you just hear Tea For Two in the background?
http://www.chrisrue.com/funcave/graphics/please_stand_by.jpg

This would've been better :p

She plays a mother on the show for which she won an Emmy. A major story arc involved her son being called back to Iraq. The season finale was that son's departure and the effect on the family. And it's out of place for her to bring that up?

I can see "tiring and repetitive" for thanking your family, your agent, your crew which probably happened in every other speech. Can you name the other actors that gave acceptance speeches like Fields' that made it so repetitive for you? I didn't find it terribly repetitive myself, though I think I remember one other similar mention in a speech.

so last night was an episode of Brothers and Sisters.... lol... no biggie but everyone was throwing their little chime in there....

dude thanking your family and crew is what acceptance speeches are but i didnt know there was another requirement to be political and voice your opinion.... there is a time and place for this... of course the best opportunity is to be controversial and do it on an awards show but it doesnt matter....

oh well... since the awards season is just 3 months away, i cant wait to hear more of them......... being bleeped out :suicide:

I'd rather have color bars than the Indian Head test panel.

At least then you could freeze the picture on a color bar frame and check the calibration of the TV.

so last night was an episode of Brothers and Sisters.... lol... no biggie but everyone was throwing their little chime in there....

And my point was like the one fredfa quoted in his Hot Off The Press Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11644599#post11644599). If she was "the only winner to make a politically themed remark", how is one time repetitive?

Sally Field was grilled backstage about the political nature of her remarks onstage, when she said: "If the mothers ruled the world, there would be no goddamn wars in the first place." She had just been named top actress in a drama for ABC's "Brothers & Sisters." First, she said that the award belongs to "all the mothers of the world ... especially the mothers who stand with an open heart and wait, wait for their children to come home from danger, from harm's way and from war." Backstage, she made no apologies for being the only winner to make a politically themed remark, saying that was a theme that resonated with her character over the past season.

And my point was like the one fredfa quoted in his Hot Off The Press Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11644599#post11644599). If she was "the only winner to make a politically themed remark", how is one time repetitive?

but she wasnt the first one.... she was almost the last one....

but she wasnt the first one.... she was almost the last one....

Can the mods please delete these political posts. Leaving them here will just encourage more follow-up posts.

Thank you.

fafner

Can the mods please delete these political posts. Leaving them here will just encourage more follow-up posts.

Thank you.

fafner


Hey, what do you think this is, FOX?;):D

We can discuss the fact that people made a political statement - or quote it - just not debate the content of the statement (if that makes any sense.)

It's like the pornography definition - not sure how to define it, but I know it when I see it. :)

my bad mods.... didnt mean to make this a political thing which is what i wasnt talking about... i was only talking about it not belonging at the awards show, which ironically is the same thing happening here.. LOLOLOL....

the emmy's did look great on FOX.... i just dont get why they made the set that way

Besides Spader winning against three of my favorite TV actors, the part of the show I'll remember most is hearing in my left ear
"zip ... zip ... Zip Zip .... ZIP! ZIP! ZIP! ZIIIIIIIIIIIP!!!"
from my normally-placid wife whenever Seacrest was starting to talk.

["Zip" means "Honey, please fast-forward through this section of the program, and resume playing without missing one millisecond of the next person to talk."]

I'm still in shock over Spader winning out in that catagory!

I'm still in shock over Spader winning out in that catagory!

Me too.. even though I like Spader and his "Alan Shore" portrayal. I think Hugh Laurie deserved the award more than him. Hugh seems to be the "Leo DeCaprio" of small screen. Well, there is always next year.

Me too.. even though I like Spader and his "Alan Shore" portrayal. I think Hugh Laurie deserved the award more than him. Hugh seems to be the "Leo DeCaprio" of small screen. Well, there is always next year.
I thought for sure either Gandolfini or Laurie would get the award. Mainly due to both of their powerful and brilliant performances. Unfortunately there will not be a next year for Gandolfini, what a shame.