I was kind of stuck using some gift cards I had to an online merchant. Paid $4984 shipped for a PDP-6010FD. Now I'm finding out a 150FD could be had for possibly 600-700 more. Is this going to haunt me ??

I do plan on having the 6010 calibrated after 150hrs of burn-in using the posted DVD.

I just don't know enough about the real differences b/t the sets. Actual visual differences. Maybe someone who has compared the two (and isn't drinking the shiny Elite badge kool-aid!) can chime in.

Viewing distance is about 8.5ft.

It will be hard for you to see a huge difference. Enjoy your set.

You won't regret it unless you come over to my place. :p

You won't regret it unless you come over to my place. :p

We wont worry about that as you are pretty far away :D

You won't regret it unless you come over to my place. :p

stop messing with my head!

We wont worry about that as you are pretty far away :D
C'mon, Tourism in Toronto is taking a bit hit because of the U.S. dollar. Give
us a visit! Spend all your money at our Casinos, and buy a 150FD here while
you are at it! Sure it's $1500 more than the U.S. but it goes to a good cause.
Support the strong and free land that keeps the icebergs from your shores.

By the way, 1080prog, be thankful you went 6010 over the 6070 (or even the
5080). It's still a wise investment.

Rather go to Vegas its warmer ;)
I use to live in Toronto in my previous life. But to the OP I think you have to ask yourself if you are happy with the PQ and thats the main question.

I have no idea what the PQ differences are, never seen a 150FD.

I have no idea what the PQ differences are, never seen a 150FD.

Don't worry about it, believe me. Even though my 150FD is on the way, I
would be perfectly happy with a 6010. I've seen it a couple of times, and
it looks smokin' good! If you really want to get the most out of it, just get
it ISF'd. Relax and enjoy your TV. Remember, there's always something better
on its way, and when it arrives, any possible difference between the current
elites and non-elites will be moot at best.

Just enjoy your TV. Use the extra $$ you saved on a blu-ray/hd-dvd player
and/or movies.

I have no idea what the PQ differences are, never seen a 150FD.

MY point was you must like the PQ of the 6010FD so thats what you should enjoy :)

1080prog,
you are gonna be very very happy with the 6010.

$700 ain't chump change. That's more an extra 15 percent or so over the 6010 to get a marginal improvement in PQ. If you absolutely must have the best there is, then you should get the Elite.

But otherwise, you'd probably be better off taking that $700 and improving some other component of your HT, or taking a vacation, or buying something else you want. You can only spend it once.

Plus, no matter what you get today, in 6 months or a year something better will be out. Today's new Kuro 6010 is better than last year's Elite. Think of the $700 you saved as the downpayment on your NEXT plasma. :D

$700 ain't chump change. That's more an extra 15 percent or so over the 6010 to get a marginal improvement in PQ. If you absolutely must have the best there is, then you should get the Elite.

But otherwise, you'd probably be better off taking that $700 and improving some other component of your HT, or taking a vacation, or buying something else you want. You can only spend it once.

Plus, no matter what you get today, in 6 months or a year something better will be out. Today's new Kuro 6010 is better than last year's Elite. Think of the $700 you saved as the downpayment on your NEXT plasma. :D

Good way of looking at it :) Thanks to all.

Roman, you don't happen to be a denon dealer do you?

Without a question every Kuro as you move up the line from 42" to 60" from standard to Elite, from 768p to 1080p, the PQ gets a little bit better, and the price moves up accordingly. Dont do a side by side of an Elite vs Standard with a good source otherwise you'll go for the slightly cleaner and deeper PQ in the Elite. Dont do a side by side of 768p vs 1080p within 10 feet otherwise you'll pick out the SDE.
But you'll only see it in the store because when you get it home anyone of the Kuros will look great, you'll have a better source and no comparative panels. So if you sit in front of the 6010 at home just enjoy it and think about those of us still sitting on the fence w no Kuro at home. 60" check 1080p check , sounds good to me....

Just out of curiosity, which forum sponsors sell Pioneer's Elite line?

Thanks

Value Electronics and Axxis Audio.

1080Prog, use that extra $700 for an ISF calibration (after 200 hours of break in/use) and a blue ray or HD DVD player. ;)

1080Prog, use that extra $700 for an ISF calibration (after 200 hours of break in/use) and a blue ray or HD DVD player. ;)

Seriously, all of us are saying that. The guy should be ecstatic right now. :confused:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11671737&postcount=9

I'm a snob so the hardest part for me in going with the 6010 over the Elite was not having the "Elite" logo on the front of the screen. :o

Roman, you don't happen to be a denon dealer do you?

Nope :)

Nope :)

How about Integra? :)

I am ecstatic, but I am the kind of guy who usually tries to buy the best he can...and I could've afforded an Elite if I knew how cheap you could find them...but I also had a $1000 gift card to B&H...so...oh well! I saw a 1150HD today...if mine will look that good, I'll be happy.

Will I regret not getting the PRO-150FD? (6010FD)Yes, yes, 1000 x yes.

If you can afford the best but settle for the runner up, you will probably live to regret your decision.

Plus the "Elite" name plate looks really cool too!

How about Integra? :)

I am ecstatic, but I am the kind of guy who usually tries to buy the best he can...and I could've afforded an Elite if I knew how cheap you could find them...but I also had a $1000 gift card to B&H...so...oh well! I saw a 1150HD today...if mine will look that good, I'll be happy.

PM me if the question is about products as it is not fair to others :)
I would just stay of this thread until you get your unit and fall in love with it :)

Sure you are paying $600 to $700 more for one extra year of warranty from Pioneer which you can spend half of that for extra 4 or 5 years with Roman and company. Oh, yeah! you do get "Elite" in front of your display. WOW!!! The spec. are the same. How can one sees one is better than the other? I am not an AV guru but I know what I see with my 6010. "I ain't a smart man but I know what love is" (Forest Grump). Peace out ....

[sarcasm on]
Yes, all those dumb Elite purchasers who have money to burn just for a logo...
[sarcasm off]

If it makes you feel better about your 6010, then so be it. Ignorance is bliss, the good news is, the 6010 is a fabulous display.

As for the OP, I think it depends on the individual on if the Elite is for them or not, but for the right price, I think it is worth it to go to the Elite.

There is a thread which lists the specific items that are only on the Elite. You can also get that from the 150FD spec sheet if you really want to know. Then you can determine if it's worth it to you or not.

Russ


Sure you are paying $600 to $700 more for one extra year of warranty from Pioneer which you can spend half of that for extra 4 or 5 years with Roman and company. Oh, yeah! you do get "Elite" in front of your display. WOW!!! The spec. are the same. How can one sees one is better than the other? I am not an AV guru but I know what I see with my 6010. "I ain't a smart man but I know what love is" (Forest Grump). Peace out ....

[sarcasm on]
Yes, all those dumb Elite purchasers who have money to burn just for a logo...
[sarcasm off]


maybe we could start our own little club of dummies... get "elite" t-shirts made and stuff... ;)

to the op... i don't regret for one second spending the extra money for the elite logo... :D that being said, if my budget hadn't allowed for it, i would have bought the 6010...

who am i kidding? i would haved saved for a few more months to get the 150fd...

Sure you are paying $600 to $700 more for one extra year of warranty from Pioneer which you can spend half of that for extra 4 or 5 years with Roman and company. Oh, yeah! you do get "Elite" in front of your display. WOW!!! The spec. are the same. How can one sees one is better than the other? I am not an AV guru but I know what I see with my 6010. "I ain't a smart man but I know what love is" (Forest Grump). Peace out ....specs are NOT the same, and NO you are not just paying for the extra one year warranty.

Question, has this become a 150FD vs. 6010 debate again? There are other
threads for that.

Regardless of whether there's a difference in PQ or not, there are differences.
Are they enough to make one regret not getting an Elite? That's up to the
individual, but if there was any hint of possible regret, then its their own fault
for making a purchase in the first place.

There are 2 major reasons why *I* am going for the Elite 150FD:
1. For the money spent on 60 inch TVs, 1 year warranty is B.S. (Elite in Canada is 3 years).
2. It looks aesthetically better and I prefer speakers on side. (The stand is also more proper)

Would I feel regret in not picking up the elite if I got the 6010? No, because
I would have made the decision not to get the elite in the first place knowing
its merits. Obviously if I decided not go for it, the merits weren't that important
to me. However, as you can see, the merits (for me) are important, but not
enough to say *NO* to the 6010 if I couldn't afford one.

No offense to the OP, but I think they need more backbone to be comfortable with
a decision they made and not look for justification from a bunch of folks they don't
know. It's in the home, it's gotta look smoking good... so be happy.

I just went from a 5080 and my elite will be here tommorow.
One thing to consider is pioneer will void your warranty if you have it isf calibrated. They did mine, but lucky enough Plasma Concepts stepped up and took care of this by refunding me fully minus the cost of shipping back. I now will have a elite in my house tommorow and the guy who does my calibration work Jeff aka UMR, told me he can make the color on the elites basically perfect. The pure line even after calibrated will still have some slightly noticeable errors with green and red. Unless you know what to look for, it wont bother you trust me. For me its about having the tv calibrated and doing it all in the user menu, coupled with perfect post calibration and 2yr warranty. These are great features and make the investment worth it. Now if Roman is giving you a great price on a 6010, or Bob from Plasma Concepts, then just ignore my post.

Reasons why I didn't look into the 150FD more:

a) Didn't think they would be that close in price
b) Had $1000 gift cert to a certain store that doesn't do the Elite line.

If I hadn't had the $1000 GC? Sure, I would've spent the extra $600. But it didn't work out that way.

Then you have your answer. Who cares what anyone else thinks. Enjoy your TV!

Russ

Reasons why I didn't look into the 150FD more:

a) Didn't think they would be that close in price
b) Had $1000 gift cert to a certain store that doesn't do the Elite line.

If I hadn't had the $1000 GC? Sure, I would've spent the extra $600. But it didn't work out that way.

Then you have your answer. Who cares what anyone else thinks. Enjoy your TV!

Russ

Amen Russ.
Bottom line: We love Kuro. I am happy with 6010 and 150FD owners love theirs. Why can we all get along? Pioneer plasmas ROCK.

Seriously, all of us are saying that. The guy should be ecstatic right now. :confused:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11671737&postcount=9
LOL, that's funny. I must have browsed past that post a little too fast. :)

One thing to consider is pioneer will void your warranty if you have it isf calibrated. They did mine, but lucky enough Plasma Concepts stepped up and took care of this by refunding me fully minus the cost of shipping back.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa???? How can they void your warranty? The calibration/calibrator didn't cause the issues with the blobs! What the...?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa???? How can they void your warranty? The calibration/calibrator didn't cause the issues with the blobs! What the...?

They can only void a warranty if they can PROVE that the ISF calibration screwed up the TV.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa???? How can they void your warranty? The calibration/calibrator didn't cause the issues with the blobs! What the...?

Yes I'm aware of that, and they know my calibrater didnt cause the failure. Infact they even called and talked to Jeff and tried the old bait and switch tactic with him. Lucky enough Jeff is a smart man. I dont think its the instant response from pioneer for everyone, just for my case. Infact the service department they sent, took a long time to respond in the first place. I have to say the only person who truely cared to help me was Bob at Plasma Concepts. Bob fielded thru my inpatient phone calls, not to mention my sometimes improper choice of words. You have to understand my side tho, Pioneer service was washing their hands of any problems with my tv, and telling me it was just normal. Some people have had great service with pioneer serivice and tech support. I"m not doubting that one bit. I decided not to let this incident keep me from owning the best flat panel tech on the planet either. I am now taking home a Brand new PRO-1150, that I bought were I work, and I owe it all to Bob from Plasma Concepts. For all you out there worrying about buying a set online from the forum sponsors, because of lack of getting a warranty, or just sheer fear of bad service, rest assure. Many people have had great experience with dealing with Roman from invision for getting problems taking care of, even if it means being on a three way call with pioneer service and the customer. I want to ad Bob from plasma concepts to this list of outstanding, no incredible customer serivice. When Pioneer basically told me to F@ myself and voided my warranty, Bob stepped in and refunded my money. He did not have to do this, and for that I am gratefull. Bob I want to take this post to publicly apologize to you for my remarks and temper early on during this ordeal. Hopefully mend any broken bridges, and insure anyone else considering purchasing a set from plasma concepts to rest easy and know your in good hands. You are a Examplary example of a professional sales person who truely cares about customer service. Ok now that I got that off my chest, its time to go set up my PRO-1150

Thanks for the info PARASITE. There is NO way I would have let Pioneer pull that crap with me. I would have rammed my TV down their throats until they choked on the blotchy blobs that the panel was riddled with. HAH! :D Seriously though, that's pathetic of them. If I was in your shoes and Bob didn't help me out, I would have been out for blood and wouldn't have stopped until Pioneer owned up to their mistake. This isn't a "normal" thing; other people are experiencing it. What a crock of garbage!!

For what it's worth, I also just had a huge run-around with Pioneer over a replacement 6010 for one that arrived damaged. They jerked me around for 2 weeks with increasingly silly requests and finally the dealer just gave up and gave me my money back.

I love the Pioneer plasmas (this is my second one) but the moral of the story is to be very careful when it comes to claims for replacement TVs, warranty claims, etc. Make sure everything is documented, etc.

For what it's worth, I also just had a huge run-around with Pioneer over a replacement 6010 for one that arrived damaged. They jerked me around for 2 weeks with increasingly silly requests and finally the dealer just gave up and gave me my money back.

I love the Pioneer plasmas (this is my second one) but the moral of the story is to be very careful when it comes to claims for replacement TVs, warranty claims, etc. Make sure everything is documented, etc.

Well did you ever get a replacement? Are you going with something else?

"Well did you ever get a replacement? Are you going with something else?"

I'm the guy (real name is Eric) who just ordered the 6010 from you yesterday. :D

"Well did you ever get a replacement? Are you going with something else?"

I'm the guy (real name is Eric) who just ordered the 6010 from you yesterday. :D

LOL :cool:

LMAO!!!! @ Roman. Man talk about bad luck. I have to go back to work for a few hours because people called in, so my new pro 1150 is in the box in my hallway until I can come home and get him set up. Come on guys do you have to call in soooooo muchhhhhh

LMAO!!!! @ Roman. Man talk about bad luck. I have to go back to work for a few hours because people called in, so my new pro 1150 is in the box in my hallway until I can come home and get him set up. Come on guys do you have to call in soooooo muchhhhhh

Did you get a chance to check for damage :)

Explain to me why having the 6010 ISF calibrated will void the warranty? BB states that they will come out and calibrate it as part of deal of me buying it.

Thanks
Don

A proper ISF callibration on a non-elite requires going into the service menu, because there is no individual color settings. Even then, you can not get it perfect. Only the Elites have the ability to get the most accurate colors and it can be done with out going into the service menu, because all the controls are there.

The warranty comes into play, because you are not allowed to go into the service menu, that's where you void your warranty.

What BB is probably going to do is run Avia or some other minor callibration, that's not a real ISF calibration.

Russ

Explain to me why having the 6010 ISF calibrated will void the warranty? BB states that they will come out and calibrate it as part of deal of me buying it.

Thanks
Don

Did you get a chance to check for damage :)

Yes I checked for damage. None, also no blotches, or stuck pixels. Thank God for that. Also HOLY CRAP pure mode looks incredible. I have to say this, I used D-nice greyscale settings coupled with pure mode, and I have better color then my 5080 had that was calibrated by JEFF "UMR". The reds and greens are gorgeous. That was an area were the 5080 even post calibration has slightly noticeable errors. I am giddy as a school girl when I think how this is gonna look when Jeff comes and calibrates this. December cant get here fast enough! I also noticed the image is cleaner on the elite. I had in my mind some execessive noise even on good sources, with my 5080. The image on the elite in pure mode is comepletely free of noise, that was noticeable on the 5080. I also noticed a much better gamma curve with my eyes. In the manual I think it says gamma 1 2 3 is like 2.1 2.2 2.3, and when using the pure mode gamma 2 is clearly the best one to use. I also use a lower brightness setting then before. What I notice is a very smooth transition from flat black. So far I am very impressed, and I'm glad I went this route with the replacement. Bob once again thanks man.

Yes I checked for damage. None, also no blotches, or stuck pixels. Thank God for that. Also HOLY CRAP pure mode looks incredible. I have to say this, I used D-nice greyscale settings coupled with pure mode, and I have better color then my 5080 had that was calibrated by JEFF "UMR". The reds and greens are gorgeous. That was an area were the 5080 even post calibration has slightly noticeable errors. I am giddy as a school girl when I think how this is gonna look when Jeff comes and calibrates this. December cant get here fast enough! I also noticed the image is cleaner on the elite. I had in my mind some execessive noise even on good sources, with my 5080. The image on the elite in pure mode is comepletely free of noise, that was noticeable on the 5080. I also noticed a much better gamma curve with my eyes. In the manual I think it says gamma 1 2 3 is like 2.1 2.2 2.3, and when using the pure mode gamma 2 is clearly the best one to use. I also use a lower brightness setting then before. What I notice is a very smooth transition from flat black. So far I am very impressed, and I'm glad I went this route with the replacement. Bob once again thanks man.Told ya ;)

by JEFF "UMR".

Parasite, I am assuming this is Jeff Meier w/ AccuCal.

Parasite, I am assuming this is Jeff Meier w/ AccuCal.

Yes the one and only.
The man is a genius!

Yes the one and only.
The man is a genius!

Good to hear PARASITE. I hope my next plasma isn't a dud. I am too wondering why I need to get my set inspected. Its' within the 30 day return policy. Shouldn't it be no questions asked?

Yes the one and only.
The man is a genius!

Thank you. I am pulling the trigger on a Pro-110 and will reserve a February calendar date when he is in my area, SE FL (according to his website).

As D-Nice and others have always said, the pure mode is awesome. Glad you got to get an Elite to realize it.

Russ

Yes I checked for damage. None, also no blotches, or stuck pixels. Thank God for that. Also HOLY CRAP pure mode looks incredible. I have to say this, I used D-nice greyscale settings coupled with pure mode, and I have better color then my 5080 had that was calibrated by JEFF "UMR". The reds and greens are gorgeous. That was an area were the 5080 even post calibration has slightly noticeable errors. I am giddy as a school girl when I think how this is gonna look when Jeff comes and calibrates this. December cant get here fast enough! I also noticed the image is cleaner on the elite. I had in my mind some execessive noise even on good sources, with my 5080. The image on the elite in pure mode is comepletely free of noise, that was noticeable on the 5080. I also noticed a much better gamma curve with my eyes. In the manual I think it says gamma 1 2 3 is like 2.1 2.2 2.3, and when using the pure mode gamma 2 is clearly the best one to use. I also use a lower brightness setting then before. What I notice is a very smooth transition from flat black. So far I am very impressed, and I'm glad I went this route with the replacement. Bob once again thanks man.

How many times have you told people? Thanks for your contributions for sure.

Told ya ;)