Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, boys, but I just A/B'd ALL the scenes in question with the color timing and to me, this looks just like the Divmax DVD timing-wise in the night scenes. The blue light at night is pale like in the divimax. Especially the scene where Laurie is barricaded in the kitchen and the shape puches through the door. Looks just like the divimax to me. The door is whitish grey, not blue. I compared the BD to the divimax to the cundey THX transfer. Same input/ HDMI splitter. PS3 and oppo player.

Someone like Xylon will confirm but that's how it looks to me. I posted screenshots further down.


Ok, tripod. Canon camera in FULL manual mode. Same exposure setting, same time, same iris, EVERYTHING identical, raw, untweaked pics.


http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/269/img2350tl2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cundey THX transfer....



http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/658/img2356em5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Blu ray version.....



another....



http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5391/img2349yw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cundey THX version....



http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/528/img2360qa5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
BD version


another....



http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8633/img2351wv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cundey THX version



http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3113/img2355jg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
BD version


another...



http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2342/img2353hv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cundey THX version



http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1655/img2354mp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
BD version



Same input on PJ using HDMI splitter. camera in manual mode with identical settings for both.

It's not me, boys.... And at least in these night shots, seems like the DVDtalk guy doesn't know what he's DVDtalking about!


It looks AMAZING detail-wise but I fear the colors are once again, off.
The day scenes do seem tweaked more like the Cundey but not spot on, kinda in between.
That VERY bluish light in the Myers busting through the kitchen door when Laurie is trapped inside? grayish white, just like the divimax.

:(

Never saw the THX Version, well i saw the original a longgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg gggg time ago, didn't remember it, so when i got the Divimax, i didn't get bothered by this, if it's there, then it's there, personnallly i don't care, maybe if i owned the THX dvd i would tought..

that sucks. how hard is it to get it right?

damn, maybe I need to cancel another order :(

damn, maybe I need to cancel another order :(
While I am disappointed that this release doesn't have the Cundey approved transfer ... I'm not about to cancel my order for it.

While I am disappointed that this release doesn't have the Cundey approved transfer ... I'm not about to cancel my order for it.

I just got my copy today, and this is the best the Halloween has ever looked.

I really didn't notice the color timing, but then again I really wasn't looking for it.

If you're a fan of the film, this is a no-brainer.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, boys, but I just A/B'd ALL the scenes in question with the color timing and to me, this looks just like the Divmax DVD timingwise. The scenes in Haddonfield look like spring in LA. The blue light at night is pale like in the divimax. Especially the scene where Laurie is barricaded in the kitchen and the shape puches through the door. Looks just like the divimax. The door is whitish grey, not blue. I compared the BD to the divimax to the cundey THX transfer. Same input/ HDMI splitter. PS3 and oppo player.

Someone like Xylon will confirm but that's how it looks to me.

It looks AMAZING detail-wise but I fear the colors are once again, off. Whoever said they would probably re-time the master I think just said that.
Now I may be wrong, maybe they did do SOME tweaking but it doesn't seem like it. Xylon could confirm. That VERY bluish light in the Myers busting through the kitchen door when Laurie is trapped inside? grayish white, just like the divimax.

:(

Dave, can you grab us some quick screen shots?

I canceled just bo safe. I can always re-order if the color timing is correct.

I can wait for the DD if need be. Besides DVD Talk already spoiled so much in their review, now maybe I can forget it again.

I am ignorant of the color space issue. Are there any screens that show a comparison so I could check it on my calibrated display?


Peter Bracke said the following in his old SD DVD review:

"For example, in the famous shot of Laurie carrying the pumpkin, the orange filtered look director of photography Dean Cundey was going for (which is even mentioned in the commentary) has been processed right out of the image."


With the Blu-Ray version, which I viewed yesterday, I noticed an orange hue in this scene. Should it have been more prominent?

I canceled just bo safe. I can always re-order if the color timing is correct.

I can wait for the DD if need be. Besides DVD Talk already spoiled so much in their review, now maybe I can forget it again.

Maybe your overreacting????
I do trust Dave but it sounds like he's not even 100% sure.
How about a couple screen shots Mack???? I'm not very educated on this "color timing" issue so I'm sure I'll be fine(ignorant is bliss).

I do think some of you are expecting way too much for 30 year old film....
We certainly are some anal MF's around here!:D

I just watched the scenes in question, daytime exteriors in Haddonfield and some of the Myers chasing Laurie scene at the end.
I will try to take some pix. later. Hard with the new mini-Mack in the house.

And if you don't know about the color timing issue, don't worry about it. If you liked the divimax version, don't worry about it.
The PQ is OUTSTANDING, detail is miraculous. It just looks the same as the divimax version to me timing-wise.

Xylon should chime in. I'm gettin' old, ya know!

And please, don't cancel your order because of me.

;)

Anchor Bay originally released Halloween on DVD in 1997, during a period where they had poor compression due to a particularly cheap authoring house. Thus, that first edition looked awful. The less said about it, the better. The film was re-released by Anchor Bay in 1999 with a significant jump in quality. I remember reading rave reviews when it first came out. For a while, it was considered one of the top DVDs on the market. Of course, time went on and DVD authoring got even better (plus, Anchor Bay will do anything for a buck), so they re-released it in 2003 in a "25th Anniversary Edition," which featured a slightly improved image, but inexplicably changed the color scheme. Most noticeably, the blue tint that made the nighttime scenes so moody was gone. This caused an uproar among fans, and there was worry that when this Blu-ray was released, that it too would contain the incorrectly color-timed transfer.
Well, rest easy. Not only does this 2.35:1 AVC-encoded 1080p transfer have the correct colors, it's also the best Halloween has ever looked on home video.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=30580

Not saying this guy knows more than our boy Dave, but he's certainly aware of this color issue...

All I know is, I watched specifically the daytime scenes and was A/B'ing through an HDMI splitter first the divimax and then the Cundey.
The scene where Myers crashes through the locked kitchen door which is clearly a dark, strong blue in the Cundey transfer looks grayish white tom like in the divimax dvd.
Since that it is a dark scene, I would need to break out the tripod to do a screenshot, might be possible but would be interesting to explain to mini-Mack's mom.

"ummm... what are you doing...?"

"well, the Blu-ray of Halloween...."

We need someone like xylon to put this to the test as he will do screen-caps directly from the discs. All I know is what I saw going back and forth today with the A/B switch.

As a side note and at the request of a few members, I have confirmed through Anchor Bay that this is the Dean Cundey Approved version of this film.

~Josh

Well, that transfer wasn't done in HD, so that in itself is not possible.
What they might have done is try to digitally color adjust the HD transfer they made for the divimax version but if they did, it certainly doesn't look like they nailed it. Just pop the scene in where Myers busts through he kitchen door. In the cundey THX dvd transfer, the door is dark blue, almost bleedingly so. In the BD like the divimax, it's a grayish white.
Just check that. Myabe they tweaked a few things but that was one that was pointed out in earlier threads and I looked at that closely.

What they might have done is try to digitally color adjust the HD transfer they made for the divimax version but if they did, it certainly doesn't look like they nailed it.

You may be onto something there. There are numerous outdoor daytime scenes where I notice an orange hue, and there are numerous nighttime scenes where I notice a blue hue.

Is the Divimax DVD completely devoid of these intentional colorings? Or do they make their way onto the screen from time-to-time?

The blusih light during the night scenes IS there on the divimax as Cundey most likely had blue gels on the lights. On the THX dvd transfer it seemed like these were REALLY pumped up for effect.
The divimax transfer looks probably just like a fresh print of the neagative looked back in the day and even some theorize that that's how it looked in the theaters. When he supervised the THX transfer in '99, it seemd he tweaked the colors, making the daytime in Haddonfield shots more fall-like, (orangey) and boosting the blues in some night scenes.

I got my tripod out and even though my better half will think I'm mad, will try to get some comp. pics.

:)

There is definitely a fall look in most of the daytime shots, but some are perhaps lacking a bit.

I checked the discussion at hometheaterforum, and I noticed this series of picture sets (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare2/halloween.htm).

With regards to the first set of pictures, the Blu-Ray looks more like the first or perhaps third pictures on my screen. The blue light is there, but it's not as intense as the last picture. It's definitely not missing like in the second picture.

msmith, check out the scene of Myers punching through the kitchen door. On the cundey transfer it is a strong, almost dark blue, in the BD...?

msmith, check out the scene of Myers punching through the kitchen door. On the cundey transfer it is a strong, almost dark blue, in the BD...?

No, I did not notice a strong blue light in that particular sequence.

Well only screen grabs can tell, reviewers have been known to be wrong from time to time, Xylon if you are reading your help would be very much appreciated :-)

Ok, tripod. Canon camera in FULL manual mode. Same exposure setting, same time, same iris, EVERYTHING identical, raw, untweaked pics.


http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/269/img2350tl2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cundey THX transfer....



http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/658/img2356em5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Blu ray version.....



another....



http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5391/img2349yw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cundey THX version....



http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/528/img2360qa5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
BD version


another....



http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8633/img2351wv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cundey THX version



http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3113/img2355jg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
BD version


another...



http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2342/img2353hv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cundey THX version



http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1655/img2354mp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
BD version


one more


http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8443/img2348rd2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Dean Cundey THX dvd



http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3048/img2361zb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Blu Ray




Same input on PJ using HDMI splitter. camera in manual mode with identical settings for both.

It's not me, boys.... And at least in these night shots, seems like the DVDtalk guy doesn't know what he's DVDtalking about!

Nice job with the pics Dave.

Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention. I was really hoping (read praying) that you were wrong, but based on your pics I'd say you're right. :(

I am going through my pics now and it really seems more like the night ones with the blues the most. The day scenes do seem closer to the Cundey version.
Overall, it does look like they did adjust at least the day scenes colorwise, but much of the intense, (probably WAY overcranked by Cundey for the THX dvd) blues at night are closer to the divimax.

Mack thanks for sharing your pics :)

and i thought i was hardcore halloween fan. seems i am just a baby fan. to me the bluray version looks much more natural to me then the dvd version.

so for me i would take the BD version over the thx dvd version based on this pictures. now dont send michael myers after me for saying this , but that is just me :)

cant wait to see it again though. it hurts to wait oh and i envy you all for having this title so fast !!!!

Yeah, nice pictures Dave. I agree with your conclusion based on what I've seen and heard about the DVD versions in question. Most of the outdoor daytime scenes on the Blu-Ray version un-mistakingly have a Fall look, including the scene that Peter Bracke mentioned was a problem on the Divimax DVD.

I would like official confirmation on what was done from someone in the know at Anchor Bay.

Gonna load up more in a sec. The daytime scenes were definitely tweaked. Much closer to the Cundey but still not exact. Kind of in the middle.

give me a sec...



The, "Hey jerk! Speed KILLS!" scene....


http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1378/img2384um4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Dean Cundey THX



http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/213/img2381jz8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
BD version (NICE additional detail!)



and last but not least, the divimax DVD



http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/351/img2407xe5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


So it looks like the new BD is somewhere in between the GREEN of the divimax and the more fall-like Cundey at least in the day scenes.
But the night ones, to me look like the divimax.

Okey, that´s it. The reviewers don´t seem to know jack **** :mad:

It´s like that guy from "The Cinema Laser", where EVERY dvd looks pinsharp and nice, even though the disc is soft and crappy ;)

It´s tha same with High-Def Digest BD review of Enemy of the State that got 4,5/5 in PQ. To me it was soft and lacking detail most of the time.

etc, etc.

So what site do we trust from here ;)

It still looks great, amazing in fact. It does seem like they adjusted the day a bit, (though not fully at the Cundey level) but the few shots at nite where it was noticeable with the divimax, noticeable here. I bet this is much more like what the film really looked like in those scenes and Cundey just went apeshit with the color saturation on the THX transfer.

I still reccommend it highly. Hey, I'm just a guy with a camera and a tripod and I think, a good eye.

:)

Yeah I´m gonna give it a try when it´s delivered with the rest of the AB discs next week ;)

Maybe the added details makes me forget about the missing blue´s ;)

If I could only remember the timing on the Criterion LD.

Personally, I find the Cundey-approved daytime shots to have a bigger impact on providing the right feel for the movie. The fact that the daytime scenes on the Blu-Ray version (when compared to the Divimax DVD) are much more representative of his intentions makes me satisfied enough.

This, combined with the often crystal clear video and excellent PCM sound track, puts a smile on my face after learning about this issue. I'm sure the extreme die-hard fans still have some questions to ask Anchor Bay.

once again, big....



http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5021/img2350fx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Dean Cundey TXH dvd transfer



http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/456/img2356cw7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Blu Ray


camera in FULL manual mode, iris the same, f stop, exposure time. Same input on PJ through HDMI splitter.

Personally, I find the Cundey-approved daytime shots to have a bigger impact on providing the right feel for the movie. The fact that the daytime scenes on the Blu-Ray version (when compared to the Divimax DVD) are much more representative of his intentions makes me satisfied enough.

This, combined with the often crystal clear video and excellent PCM sound track, puts a smile on my face after learning about this issue. I'm sure the extreme die-hard fans still have some questions to ask Anchor Bay.

I agree. The release is still pretty damn swell unlike say, the very underwhelming Dracula disc. (I know, I know, the source is soft... still...)

I just did this to point it out, not to suggest that fans SHOULDN'T get this but as far as "They used the Cundey approved transfer..."
No, they didn't. First off, that was done in 99 and wasn't even an HD transfer in the first place. They may have tried to MATCH some of this new one to that. For the most part, the day scenes look pretty close, though not dead on, but the night scenes in question, nope.

Hey Dave, I'm the DVD Talk reviewer in question. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I had been going off of secondhand reports on the Divimax color timing, and most of the reports I read said that the night scenes had no blue in them at all. So when I was watching the Blu-ray, I was looking to see if the nighttime scenes look blue (which they do), and if the daytime scenes had that Fall in Illinois look (which they do). I no longer have the Cundey approved DVD in order to do a comparison. Combine that with a statement from Anchor Bay saying they were using the approved transfer and you can see why I presumed that they were in fact using the Cundey transfer. I will amend my review to state that this transfer falls somewhere in the middle between the two, but it still looks really damn good.

Thanks again for your diligence.

Edit: I have now amended my review. If any further developments pop up, or Anchor Bay makes some kind of statement, I will include that in the review, as well. I do try to be as comprehensive as possible with my reviews, so I appreciate when stuff like this is brought to my attention.

Hey Dave, I'm the DVD Talk reviewer in question. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I had been going off of secondhand reports on the Divimax color timing, and most of the reports I read said that the night scenes had no blue in them at all. So when I was watching the Blu-ray, I was looking to see if the nighttime scenes look blue (which they do), and if the daytime scenes had that Fall in Illinois look (which they do). I no longer have the Cundey approved DVD in order to do a comparison. Combine that with a statement from Anchor Bay saying they were using the approved transfer and you can see why I presumed that they were in fact using the Cundey transfer. I will amend my review to state that this transfer falls somewhere in the middle between the two, but it still looks really damn good.

Thanks again for your diligence.

Edit: I have now amended my review. If any further developments pop up, or Anchor Bay makes some kind of statement, I will include that in the review, as well. I do try to be as comprehensive as possible with my reviews, so I appreciate when stuff like this is brought to my attention.

Thanks for your honesty!!!

Dave, great work. It appears the BD is somewhere in the middle of the two. (daytime looks really close but nighttime is waayyyy off). The BD pics look more natural to me but I can certainly see the appeal of the blued tint and the mood it can set.
Have you even been to sleep yet Dave?:D

When you wake up, is it possible to get a pic of the door in the Divimax version???

We need Xylon!!

Why

I just can't wait for this one. I am excited! :D

@suprmallet

Did you review Evil Dead II, and if so can you comment on if it looks like the very nice THX edition;
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8346/vlcsnap182395wf9.jpg

Or the horrible Book of the Dead edition;
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7434/vlcsnap190728ey9.jpg

Evil Dead II looks like the Book of the Dead edition and it ain't pretty. I gave it 3 out of 5 stars for video, mostly because of detail in the close-ups. You can check out the full review here:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=30592

Thanks for your honesty!!!

Dave, great work. It appears the BD is somewhere in the middle of the two. (daytime looks really close but nighttime is waayyyy off). The BD pics look more natural to me but I can certainly see the appeal of the blued tint and the mood it can set.
Have you even been to sleep yet Dave?:D

When you wake up, is it possible to get a pic of the door in the Divimax version???

nope. Insomnia. I've been busy cataloging all the changes in Dracula. Apparently Coppolla revised the color in several scenes quite dramatically.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=909863&page=5


And the divimax doorshot in Halloween...


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2429/img2426ic3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I really think that Cundey jacked up the blue for the THX dvd transfer for some of the shots where the blue light just didn't register. There actually is blue in many shots in the divimax. There are just the ones in question that looked VERY blue, (and yes, very unnatural too) on the THX version that seem to be controversial. The lush green day scenes in the Divimax are much more objectionable and the new BD is very close, though not all the way, to the fall-like look of the THX transfer.

@suprmallet

Did you review Evil Dead II, and if so can you comment on if it looks like the very nice THX edition;
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8346/vlcsnap182395wf9.jpg

Or the horrible Book of the Dead edition;
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7434/vlcsnap190728ey9.jpg

It has been confirmed that it uses the BotD transfer... terrible, terrible news...

and Day Of The Dead still has the dubbed for TV dialog.

@suprmallet

Did you review Evil Dead II, and if so can you comment on if it looks like the very nice THX edition;
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8346/vlcsnap182395wf9.jpg

Or the horrible Book of the Dead edition;
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7434/vlcsnap190728ey9.jpg
You stole my captures! :p ;)

I don't mind, people need to know.

and Day Of The Dead still has the dubbed for TV dialog.
Even the Mono track?

ARGH... the horror, the pain is unbearable :-(

Yeah, Evil Dead II is only worth a purchase if you don't already own the THX DVD.

WTF is up with these new releases. :( I thought these were going to be golden. How wrong I was. :(

Same input on PJ using HDMI splitter. camera in manual mode with identical settings for both.

It's not me, boys.... And at least in these night shots, seems like the DVDtalk guy doesn't know what he's DVDtalking about!


I don't have the BD version yet, so I won't comment on the actual differences in transfers until I have compared both. But what you said above confused me.

First, I think you're actually talking about a HDMI switch, rather than a splitter. A splitter is used to split one incoming HDMI signal to multiple outputs. This would make sense if you're using multiple projectors or TVs. If you're using one projector/TV the switch would be used to switch between different sources (players).

Second, if you're using that switch and two different players (PS3 and Oppo), then you'll never get the accurate results from both. Output signals always differ, some more and some less. But to get the best results, you have to calibrate each input to the specific source. So let's say your input is calibrated to the PS3, then the results from the Oppo won't be accurate and vice versa. Unless of course you're using two different memory banks for this input and switch between the two input settings for each source.

I don't have the BD version yet, so I won't comment on the actual differences in transfers until I have compared both. But what you said above confused me.

First, I think you're actually talking about a HDMI switch, rather than a splitter. A splitter is used to split one incoming HDMI signal to multiple outputs. This would make sense if you're using multiple projectors or TVs. If you're using one projector/TV the switch would be used to switch between different sources (players).

Second, if you're using that switch and two different players (PS3 and Oppo), then you'll never get the accurate results from both. Output signals always differ, some more and some less. But to get the best results, you have to calibrate each input to the specific source. So let's say your input is calibrated to the PS3, then the results from the Oppo won't be accurate and vice versa. Unless of course you're using two different memory banks for this input and switch between the two input settings for each source.



HDMI switcher.

And you're actually gonna tell me that that would change the color of the door in ths shot from dark blue to white...?
If so, how come the dayshots look virtually the same.


http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/269/img2350tl2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cundey THX transfer....



http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/658/img2356em5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Blu ray version.....


http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1378/img2384um4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Dean Cundey THX



http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/213/img2381jz8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
BD version


For hell's sake, I'll put the Cundey DVD into the PS3 later on to show you. TRUST me. The color of the door is NOT the same, regardless of the PJ being calibrated to the player.

and Day Of The Dead still has the dubbed for TV dialog.

Dubbed for TV dialog?

Could you explain or post a link that explains the differences?

And you're actually gonna tell me that that would change the color of the door in ths shot from dark blue to white...?
If so, how come the dayshots look virtually the same.

Yes, the color can change alot when inputs are not calibrated to source. You can use test patterns, masters or uncompressed material from different sources to verify. It even get's more obvious with true 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 sources.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is the case here, simply that it could be. You wanted to make a direct comparison to prove the colors are off and that someone else doesn't know what he's talkign about. Yet your method used for this proof is a little flawed. That's all I'm saying. :)

I'm not sure how you can say the dayshots look virtually the same. They look very different to me. Look at the bush, the trees and the leaves, they look very different to me on my monitor which is calibrated for mastering.
But of course that could be just a difference the camera creates when taking the pictures. But then, it could just be as easy as a different gamma curve for your players used or on the other hand it could be a much more complex issue.

Second, if you're using that switch and two different players (PS3 and Oppo), then you'll never get the accurate results from both. Output signals always differ, some more and some less. But to get the best results, you have to calibrate each input to the specific source. So let's say your input is calibrated to the PS3, then the results from the Oppo won't be accurate and vice versa. Unless of course you're using two different memory banks for this input and switch between the two input settings for each source.


Ok, Mr. Accuracy, here ya' go.

The cundey THX transfer (dvd) played in the PS3, same as the BD...


http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8367/img2520gg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Now, the BD, same player, same settings, same EVERYTHING...


http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9171/img2356ny3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and again, BIG...





Cundey dvd

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/206/img2520en5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



New BD

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3223/img2356fu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I am using the same player now, the PS3, the same input, the same adjustments on the camera in full MANUAL mode so there is no auto white balance issue to deal with.

And before you think you are talking to a luddite, I am an NYU film grad who actually has DP'd many shoots using actual film and have shot photography for decades. I know what I'm talking about. They don't match. I didn't just notice this from looking at random grainy stills. I noticed this from watching the discs themselves. I don't know what point you're trying to make but the BD and the Cundey approved DVD transfer do not look the same in many of the night scenes. It looks just like the Divimax DVD.
I don't mean to sound like a smart-ass but you started with the Mr. Know-it all attitude first. I was shooting film back in the early 80's. Have done my own negative cutting, so sometimes you shouldn't just assume.
;)

See, why not do it like this from the beginning? :)
You just have to eliminate possible errors as much as possible, while you obviously can compare or proof some things in many different ways, it's not always accurate and the results are questionable. The best example for this is probably the Riemann hypothesis.

While the images of the Oppo DVD vs. PS3 DVD still shows some difference, it's not as "dramatic" as versus the BD version. So now the question is, which version is the "right" version. ;)

Ok, cheers!

Sorry, I had done these with my better half and the mini-Mack asleep.
I was trying to do it quickly as I had already noticed the color difference from watching both through the PS3.

:)

from someone not aware of the color issues:

it seems beatboy and other reviewers have contacted with AB and AB stated the bd features the Cundey approved transfer. with that in mind how do we know the white door isn't the approved version but the blue door is?

personally i thought the pq was damn good for a movie released before i was born. i havent finished it yet as several other ppl watching the movie didnt like it and we switched to a different movie. it took too long for any of the characters to die and they thought all those sightings of MM was stupid. i think this movie is better appreciated with just 2 or 3 ppl watching.

Okay, I like Beatboy but he's smoking serious crack if he buys that this is the Cundey approved transfer. That's simply IMPOSSIBLE. That transfer was NOT done in HD and was done 8 years ago! Just THINK people! is it possible? How could a non-HD transfer made 8 years ago be put on this BD?
The blue door is from the THX dvd of the Cundey approved transfer. The greyish white door is from the new BD. They do not look the same.
What i think they did, was try to tweak the new transfer they did a couple of years ago (used on the divimax dvd) to look like the Cundey. The daytime scenes do look closer but not a perfect match. They DO look better than the Divimax DVD though. BUT in many of the questionable nite shots, the new transfer does NOT have the overpumped (no doubt by Cundey himself) blues.

Just for the sake of completion :p

1999 THX DVD:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/880/vlcsnap100208ns1.jpg

1999 TV Version:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/7329/vlcsnap102979he1.jpg

2003 25th Anniversary Divimax:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3425/vlcsnap98634rw6.jpg

Anchor Bay is flat out telling a lie when they say they used the Cundy transfer. Anchor Bay has lied before about their releases. My God, more times than I can count! Suspiria, Tenebrae, A Better Tomorrow, Manhunter, the list goes on and on.

Hell, I was kicked out of a forum once for PROVING they had lied. Apparently the mods risked not getting freebies by my being there, so out I went.

NICE screenshots, damnation!

Makes mine look like HELL but you get the point about the colors I think...

:)

I must say I really like the bluish look.... gives it a very creepy mood(judging from the screen shots).
Thanks again AVS(and Dave) for ruining something I would of never even noticed before!:mad:

By the way... my copy just arrived and instead of enjoying the film, which I haven't seen in years, I'll be too busy looking at how blue a door is!:D

In real life, doors usually are not blue. And who knows what the real intention as to what the colors are suppose to look like. Tasts change. Today we deamand stereo sound from old mono films and 5.1 audio from old stereo audio movies. Today we prefer more bass in our music than we would have liked in the 60s.

In movies, colors are usually used for effects. Back in the late 70s, I'm not so sure that this movie had it's colors pumped up that much for the 1st release of the film. So if the color of that blue door was pumped way up for an older video release, that may have been really cool for some and not so cool for others.

Also using blue gels with photography always has different results depending on the exposure. It's possible that the effect may not have turned out like the director wanted when the movie was being made. Later with new ways to digitally control every aspect for video releases, the deeper blue may have been pushed as being more of what the director wanted.

It's possible that the new Blu-ray version is more like how the film looked in the late 70s.

I agree.
I definitely think Cundey went a bit mad with the blue on the THX dvd. Cranked that sucker WAY up!

:)

Unless we get our hands on an original print that hasn't faded, we probably will never know whether or not it looks like the film did in the 70's (aside from going off of personal memories of forum members, which could be unreliable). However, we do know that the cinematographer, Dean Cundey, approved the transfer on the 1999 release, and that this is not exactly the same as that transfer. It's close, but not 100% the same. Anything beyond that is pretty much speculation.

In real life, doors usually are not blue. And who knows what the real intention as to what the colors are suppose to look like. Tasts change. Today we deamand stereo sound from old mono films and 5.1 audio from old stereo audio movies. Today we prefer more bass in our music than we would have liked in the 60s.

It's possible that the new Blu-ray version is more like how the film looked in the late 70s.

I saw the film in a theater in 1978 and it definitely had the blue tint. So I'm sure that was Carpenter's intent. It did add a level of creepiness. That being said, this will not stop me from buying this release nor will it stop me from enjoying it.

Just like with the divimax, there is still plenty of blue in the new BD. The divimax version wasn't COMPLTETELY free of the blue light, it was just certain shots that were pretty noticeable. Like the kitchen scene and a few others where it looks like Cundey REALLY pumped the blues in the THX transfer.
I watched alot of the scenes with the divimax last nite as well and it's definitely not the case that that whole transfer was "blue-free"
There are certain scenes where perhaps the bluelight didn't register on film and Cundey tweaked them for the THX. These shots appear naturally in the divimax (and now the BD) maybe.

Yes, I watched the BD last night and it's great otherwise. Perhaps made greater by Evil Dead 2 and Dawn of the Dead looking so underwhelming. So far it's the best looking Anchor Bay BD, though I haven't watched Day yet.

I agree. It DOES look great. Jaw-dropping amount of detail especially after watching Bram Stoker's Dracula's BD which detail-wise looks about the same as the SB dvd.

We need Cundey to settle this.

Someone have his number?

I personally like the blue. It seems what it should be.

It's weird.

I'm a colorist. So this should really, really bug me. But it's not. It should. But it doesn't. I think I'm ok with this. At least it's a step closer to accurate from the divimax.

Anchor Bay screwed up again. The blue moonlight is gone. Instead the night time shots are neutral white, which looks unconvincing for night. Didn't this happen with one of The Howling dvds?

I saw the film in a theater in 1978 and it definitely had the blue tint. So I'm sure that was Carpenter's intent. It did add a level of creepiness. That being said, this will not stop me from buying this release nor will it stop me from enjoying it.

I also saw the film when it was released, at a drive-in! Talk about creepy, it was a cool, breezy fall night in New York, and the drive-in was surrounded by woods.
Great times, awesome movie. (nothing like a great horror movie echoing throughout the open air and pumping thru a drive-in speaker!)

Good stuff Dave. Me, I'm happy that the HD transfer is closer to what Cundey approved back in the day. It's a shame that the jacked-up blues aren't present at those key moments, but it won't spoil my enjoyment one little bit.

Originally Posted by rwduke
I saw the film in a theater in 1978 and it definitely had the blue tint. So I'm sure that was Carpenter's intent. It did add a level of creepiness. That being said, this will not stop me from buying this release nor will it stop me from enjoying it.
I also saw the film when it was released, at a drive-in! Talk about creepy, it was a cool, breezy fall night in New York, and the drive-in was surrounded by woods.
Great times, awesome movie. (nothing like a great horror movie echoing throughout the open air and pumping thru a drive-in speaker!)

Some of you have amazing memories. I can barely remember the plot let alone if a scene was blue or grainy!:eek:

Good stuff Dave. Me, I'm happy that the HD transfer is closer to what Cundey approved back in the day. It's a shame that the jacked-up blues aren't present at those key moments, but it won't spoil my enjoyment one little bit.


Agreed. Enjoy it. I was just pointing it out and it is most noticeable in the previously highlighted scenes.

This is the one title i'm officially jealous about. lol. Damn you blu-ray! :)

This is the one title i'm officially jealous about. lol. Damn you blu-ray! :)

Join us, you know you want to :D

From a complete newbee and not an AV expert at all, i like the BD shots better, looks more realistic. I know it sound one sided since i an a BD supporter but i just think it looks for real and feels more like it too. The blue to mee looks a bit too sci-fi like.

Join us, you know you want to :D

That's just it, I don't want to. lol. Can't justify paying almost double for another high-def player, for very, very few good movies.

neutral is the ONLY way to be, No stress, get whatever you want...

This is one of my favorite movies and was one of the biggest titles that really made me want a BD player (won't buy til 1.1), but seeing as how this isn't the Cundey-approved transfer, I can rest easier knowing I don't have it. Hopefully by the time the correct transfer comes along, Blu-ray will have a player out with completed specs.

Isn't it possible that Anchor Bay called up Cundey when they were making the BD and asked him to do a new color timing for the HD transfer?

What kind of DVD releases I need to buy if I make the screenshots? I have 0 knowledge regarding this title.

Anyways the screenshots you guys posted are more than enough to convince members.

I have both if you need shots just let me know the time stamps
If not you need these
http://www.amazon.com/Halloween-Brian-Andrews/dp/6305546789******pd_bbs_sr_1/002-1554389-9716834?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1190550905&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Halloween-Divimax-Anniversary-Brian-Andrews/dp/B00009UW0N******pd_bbs_3/002-1554389-9716834?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1190550905&sr=8-3

Yeah, I think he have enough info regarding the color differences but it would be nice to have nice HD captures to look it. Something to get our minds off the horror of this release.

Kinda funny that the blu-ray is not blu.

GUYS GUYS GUYS!!!!!!
I just watched this and you are seriously missing out if your not buying this based on a few select scenes not being very blue!!!
This is really an amazing transfer!

Btw, the Moon Light emit White Cast, not blue... It might be Blue in LA tought due to Pollution LOL!

What kind of DVD releases I need to buy if I make the screenshots? I have 0 knowledge regarding this title.

Anyways the screenshots you guys posted are more than enough to convince members.

If they did, don't you think they'd be shouting it to everyone who will listen? "Brand new Cundey approved transfer!" I don't see anything like that in their press release materials or on the case of the disc itself.

Isn't it possible that Anchor Bay called up Cundey when they were making the BD and asked him to do a new color timing for the HD transfer?

The problem is, there's no evidence showing that occured.

I also saw the film when it was released, at a drive-in! Talk about creepy, it was a cool, breezy fall night in New York, and the drive-in was surrounded by woods.
Great times, awesome movie. (nothing like a great horror movie echoing throughout the open air and pumping thru a drive-in speaker!)


Sounds awesome. You're making me nostalgic for the 70's/80's. When we were all a little less jaded. I loved horror movies back then, but I was scared of the dark. After Halloween I hated dark rooms. I would flip on the switch, run in and grab what I needed then run out.

LOL. Halloween scarred me for life.

Some of you have amazing memories. I can barely remember the plot let alone if a scene was blue or grainy!:eek:

If this were any other movie I wouldn't be able to recollect. But I went to see it three times in one week while it was in my home town theater. No other movie ever affected me the way this one did. I was glued to the screen every time I watched it.

The first time I went I wore a lightweight jacket to the movie. I took it off and chewed on it during the movie. I could'nt help it. My mom picked me up and asked "What happened to your jacket?" There were little teeth holes all up and down one sleeve. She laughed hysterically and had to tell everyone we knew.

neutral is the ONLY way to be, No stress, get whatever you want...


Absolutely. I love not having to care which format a movie is on. If a movie comes out that I like I can just buy it. That is how it should be. It is sad how this format war has turned movie lovers against each other.

Sounds awesome. You're making me nostalgic for the 70's/80's. When we were all a little less jaded. I loved horror movies back then, but I was scared of the dark. After Halloween I hated dark rooms. I would flip on the switch, run in and grab what I needed then run out.

LOL. Halloween scarred me for life.

I wish I was born a bit earlier (I was born in 1976) so I could have enjoyed all those REAL horror movies on the big screen ;)

But I grew up on them all on VHS. The good old days when you actually watched movies without being bothered about the resolution, details and colors in the master.

Damn we are picky these days, almost to the point of insanity ;)

If this were any other movie I wouldn't be able to recollect. But I went to see it three times in one week while it was in my home town theater. No other movie ever affected me the way this one did. I was glued to the screen every time I watched it.

The first time I went I wore a lightweight jacket to the movie. I took it off and chewed on it during the movie. I could'nt help it. My mom picked me up and asked "What happened to your jacket?" There were little teeth holes all up and down one sleeve. She laughed hysterically and had to tell everyone we knew.

I remember when It's Alive was released back in the 70's. That baby scared the crap out of me.

My dreams have come true. This is the BEST I’ve ever seen Halloween in my home. What I see here is the clean and pristine image quality of the 25th Anniversary Edition with the colour timing very close to the previous DVDs. The result is nothing short of spectacular. You will be amazed at the opening titles – the black level is deep and noise free, titles are defined sharply against the background without any artificial enhancement.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=262615

What kind of DVD releases I need to buy if I make the screenshots? I have 0 knowledge regarding this title.

Anyways the screenshots you guys posted are more than enough to convince members.

Xylon. The cundey THX transfer was from '99. OOP I believe but interestingly they juts RE-released it calling it "restored" or something on DVD with like a holo-cover. I believe that's one in stores NOW. The old 99' THX transfer. Should be the same as the one I used here to compare.
Then the new BD which DOES look like they adjusted the day scenes a bit to make it closer to the Cundey transfer than the divimax one was, though it's not a PERFECT match but close enough. This scene in question was used before to show the differences between the Cundey and the Divimax. The cundey has WAY overpumped dark blue light over the shots, most likely tweaked by Cundey himself for the THX transfer. The divimax was probably just how the film print looked pre-tweaked. The BD looks to me like the divimax, the doorshot with Myers busting through looks greyish-white, NOT blue.


The cundey THX transfer (dvd) played in the PS3, same as the BD...


http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8367/img2520gg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Now, the BD, same player, same settings, same EVERYTHING...


http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9171/img2356ny3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Oh and I do the BD looks phenomenal. Jaw-droppingly so and I would not suggest to anyone NOT to buy it just because of this.

:)

The cundey THX transfer (dvd) played in the PS3, same as the BD...


http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8367/img2520gg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Now, the BD, same player, same settings, same EVERYTHING...


http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9171/img2356ny3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Oh and I do the BD looks phenomenal. Jaw-droppingly so and I would not suggest to anyone NOT to buy it just because of this.

:)

Seeing that Blue door really brings back nostalgia. The white door does look clean and crisp, but it doesn't bring back good ol' memories of Halloween.

well i know jack sh%^ about this but to me the blu-ray shot at night looks like it should at night....at least here in vermont

No doubt. halloween, at least the Cundy approved transfer, ALWAYS had super-jacked up "unrealistic" blues for effect.
The question with the BD is not how "realistic" these shots look, it's how close to the DP supervised transfer are they...?

:)

Having been fortunate enough to see this at a theater many years ago for a Halloween film festival, I can say that I do remember the rather blue look. It was a distinctive, creepy style. Many films employ it because it works on the large screen.

I'm not canceling my pre-order because it has shipped and the mono track is in-tact. But I am disappointed that once again Anchor Bay has completely ignored the massive amounts of criticism they received on a title.

I'm still getting the BD but I'm just glad I kept my 2-Disc LE DVD, I was tempted to sell it a few weeks ago.

Dave, are you sure this isn't a Blu-ray-exclusive interactive feature?

Try it out- Take the jacket art out of the BD case and hold it in front of your eyes when watching the scenes in question. Voilà, the door is blue again! Two versions of the film playing at the same time!

You can't do that with a red case! ;)




For those who can't tell (because there are some who might seriously think that), I keed, I keed...
I still can't wait to get my hands on this, wonky colour timing and all. Thanks for giving us all a heads up though, Dave.

I for one will be getting this movie for sure. I never owned it on any format & will definitely be getting on Blu-Ray!

Ahh man, I've been waiting and waiting to get this release! Look at the just released Review on highdef digest though, and they only gave it a 1.5 star for PQ. That is horrid, I can't even remember the last time I've seen a review that low, he just dogs this transfer! Please someone give me some hope that this is still worth buying! :(

The Divimax timing looks more accurate. I'll eventually pick this up, but not right away.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=262615

Ahh man, I've been waiting and waiting to get this release! Look at the just released Review on highdef digest though, and they only gave it a 1.5 star for PQ. That is horrid, I can't even remember the last time I've seen a review that low, he just dogs this transfer! Please someone give me some hope that this is still worth buying! :(

I'm in the same boat as you right now. This has to be one of my favorite movies ever! But I HAVE to pick it up because I sold my SD copy and I love Halloween :mad:

Dave, are you sure this isn't a Blu-ray-exclusive interactive feature?

Try it out- Take the jacket art out of the BD case and hold it in front of your eyes when watching the scenes in question. Voilà, the door is blue again! Two versions of the film playing at the same time!

You can't do that with a red case! ;)




For those who can't tell (because there are some who might seriously think that), I keed, I keed...
I still can't wait to get my hands on this, wonky colour timing and all.

I think Dave has pointed out one minor issue and its gotten blown out of proportion(Im sure not his intention).
There certainly are several shots of blue-tint and in my opinion look more natural than the screen shots given for the old version(which I dont own). Instead of everything blue now, it appears to be just stuff illuminated by the moon light... which just seems better to me.
We will never know what the exact intentions are but if you're skipping this one due to a door not being blue enough, you really are missing out.
It really is a beautiful looking disc.

Bracke has slaughtered it at HDD:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/966/halloween1978.html

I canceled my pre-order. I have 30+ movies on my Amazon wish list that look like they would be better buys at this point. Sad though, I really had high hopes for this title.

Bracke has slaughtered it at HDD:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/966/halloween1978.html

Slaughter might be an undestatement! Only 2 BD discs (View From Space, Kiss Of The Dragon) have rated lower (image quality) than Halloween!:eek: Even Full Metal Jacket and the original pressing of Fifth Element rated higher.:eek:

His review is rediculous. Its obvious what his agenda is here. From what I've seen, the images look fantastic on the Blu. I'm definitely picking this one up.

His review is rediculous. Its obvious what his agenda is here. From what I've seen, the images look fantastic on the Blu. I'm definitely picking this one up.

I agree. While it would be nice to have the correct color in all of the shots, a 1.5 P review is WAY over the top. For those wanting the best looking version of correct color timing, your best bet is getting the Monsters HD TV version. It looks a bit better than the 1999 AB DVD.

Me personally, I couldn't stand watching the 1999 release anymore. It looks like blurry mess. I don't mind the incorrect colors as much as some. Maybe they should have a different scoring system for movies like this. For example "Video 4 out of 5" "Director Intent 2 out of 5"
FYI, The Fog has had much more radical changes in color over the years.

This is clearly a more questionable review. My copy has shipped and I'll have a copy soon so I can judge for myself. This will be my first BR movie.

My copy has shipped and I'll have a copy soon so I can judge for myself. This will be my first BR movie.

Congratulations! You won't be disappointed. :)

I'm still getting it.

It's Halloween in HD.

I'm still getting it.

It's Halloween in HD.

Yep. I respect Dave's opinion. This will be on order. Just ordered it.

Honestly, guys! I was SIMPLY trying to point this out. The disc DOES indeed still look great, and all the day scenes seem much closer to the Cundey than the divimax. It really is just certain night scenes in question. Maybe they didn't get to them in time? Maybe they felt the Cundey THX dvd looked ridiculously cartoony with the jacked up blues, I don't know.
I'm SURE Cundey wasn't involved with this directly or they'd be screaming that info. in the press release and on the disc packaging itself like they DID do with the THX dvd transfer.

Honestly, guys! I was SIMPLY trying to point this out. The disc DOES indeed still look great, and all the day scenes seem much closer to the Cundey than the divimax. It really is just certain night scenes in question. Maybe they didn't get to them in time? Maybe they felt the Cundey THX dvd looked ridiculously cartoony with the jacked up blues, I don't know.
I'm SURE Cundey wasn't involved with this directly or they'd be screaming that info. in the press release and on the disc packaging itself like they DID do with the THX dvd transfer.

Dave, still have my Dracula on order for the extras. Thanks for all the time you have taken with both these films.:D

Thanks! I had NO idea what can of worms I'd be opening. In the old days here and at some other forums, when people noticed this stuff, they pointed it out just to give a heads' up. People could disagree or agree but usually it was civil with all of us A/V geeks together. Now because of this stupid format war and with many being so damn touchy all the time, if you say ANYTHING negative about a new disc, the pitchforks come out, for members AND reviewers.

Halloween still looks great, glad I bought it, greyish white night scenes notwithstanding in some shots. I feel Dracula is "OK" but a HUGE missed opportunity, even if one LIKES the new color changes because it still looks like a flat, washed out DVD and should have looked MUCH better....

:)

Just in my opinion, but what do I know?
In a week, many more will see and chime in. So far, I haven't seen ONE comment saying that anyone thought it looked good.

Dave:

To hell with the Blu Ray releases....there's a new Springsteen Album out next week with the E Street Band....are you going to any of the shows in the first leg? I've got a GA ticket to Cleveland and Detroit. I was surprised he didn't hit Kansas City, if only for the fact we have a brand new world class arena opening up next month in downtown KC.

I'd love to but we're moving from Berkeley back to NYC in november and have to save our dough.
I saw the rising tour at the meadowlands and it was the greatest rock show I'd ever seen and I've seen Queen with Freddie, The Police, Sting, U2, (several times) INXS with Hutchence, Simple Minds, Big Country, (80's kid) Missing Persons.

Can't wait for the record,

I mentioned before that I gew up with and went to school with Sam bardfeld who was one of the seeger sessions band's fiddle players. I emailed him and he said he was having the trime of his life playing with Springsteen, (was in Italy at the time)

:)

Oh, and btw, I was born in and my mom's family is from Missouri!

:)

BTW: Clear Channel is offering a sneak listen of the album....it's freakin terrific. I now understand how this album will be perfect for the stage.

http://www.q1043.com/cc-common/news/sections/special/springsteen_bruce.html

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/269/img2350tl2.jpg
Cundey
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/658/img2356em5.jpg
Blu ray version.....
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/ResOGlas/Halloween35mm.png
35mm.....






Theatrical Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op91OsE8eJ4)

Halloween looks absolutely amazing on Blu-ray. The damn film looked like it was filmed yesterday! Every stray hair on Jamie Lee Curtis' head is visible. The daytime scenes had an incredible sense of depth with the streets looking like you could drive your car through the screen right on to the streets of Haddonfield. I had absolutely no problem with the nightime scenes (which exhibited that eerie blue tint without looking too obvious). This movie still creeps me out 30 years later and personally, I don't understand any of the criticisms of the transfer. I highly doubt most people will be anything but absolutely blown away by this Blu-ray disc.

I wish I was born a bit earlier (I was born in 1976) so I could have enjoyed all those REAL horror movies on the big screen ;)

But I grew up on them all on VHS. The good old days when you actually watched movies without being bothered about the resolution, details and colors in the master.

Damn we are picky these days, almost to the point of insanity ;)
I saw on the BIG screen last year. They were showing it across the US for 2 nights only (Oct 30/31). A life long dream had come true, and after seeing it dozens of times, it still felt like the first time, and I still got chills. Nothing like the big screen I guess.

Anyway, can't wait till Amazon ships mine.

I picked it up yesterday at Walmart for only $18.97! Can't wait to give it a watch here soon....
From those pics above, looks to me like neither transfer is totally exact...I've always thought the blues were too overpumped on the '99 disc, and too undercooked on the Divimax....

I picked it up yesterday at Walmart for only $18.97! Can't wait to give it a watch here soon....
From those pics above, looks to me like neither transfer is totally exact...I've always thought the blues were too overpumped on the '99 disc, and too undercooked on the Divimax....

Totally. It's hilarious that the over saturated, blue '99 Cundey version is deemed correct. Looks like Cundey wasn't so sure either after 21 years since it's theatrical release.

Moral of the story:
Halloween should be a little blue at night. Not as Blue as the Cundey transfer, not as white as the divimax. In other words, there is no reason to dislike the Blu-ray version of halloween since it seems that there is no version available with the perfect amount of Blue.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/ResOGlas/Hcompare.png
When you look at it this way, I think the THX/Cundey version is the worst!! :eek:

I rather have the exaggerated blue over neutral bland white anyday.

Totally. It's hilarious that the over saturated, blue '99 Cundey version is deemed correct. Looks like Cundey wasn't so sure either after 21 years since it's theatrical release.

Moral of the story:
Halloween should be a little blue at night. Not as Blue as the Cundey transfer, not as white as the divimax. In other words, there is no reason to dislike the Blu-ray version of halloween since it seems that there is no version available with the perfect amount of Blue.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/ResOGlas/Hcompare.png
When you look at it this way, I think the THX/Cundey version is the worst!! :eek:

Didn't someone here say that Cundey's approved version was as blue as it was because he was previously unable to get the correct coloring out of LD and VHS?

Didn't someone here say that Cundey's approved version was as blue as it was because he was previously unable to get the correct coloring out of LD and VHS?

I think that was Dracula...

and probably not Cundey...


;)

Totally. It's hilarious that the over saturated, blue '99 Cundey version is deemed correct. Looks like Cundey wasn't so sure either after 21 years since it's theatrical release.

Moral of the story:
Halloween should be a little blue at night. Not as Blue as the Cundey transfer, not as white as the divimax. In other words, there is no reason to dislike the Blu-ray version of halloween since it seems that there is no version available with the perfect amount of Blue.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/ResOGlas/Hcompare.png
When you look at it this way, I think the THX/Cundey version is the worst!! :eek:

Shouldn't the perfect amount of blue be what Cundey wants, and maybe he prefers the dvd version because he finally got the amount of blue he wanted? It doesn't make sense to say it shouldn't be as blue as the "Cundey transfer". According to Cundey, it should...he's the DP.

Starz should have ponied up the dough to have him come in again.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/ResOGlas/Halloween35mm.png
35mm.....

Ah, a Youtube clip from a dirty scratched-up 35mm print made almost 30 years ago... now THAT's reference quality!:D

At least we can assume the Blu-Ray looks close to a vintage theatrical print. If that's what Cudney actually wanted, however, I'll leave to the bigger fans of the
film to figure out.

It's ok. I had people showing me a YouTube clip of a DRACULA trailer complete with scenes deleted from the film and alternate takes to show me that THAT's how the BD should look!

:)

It's ok. I had people showing me a YouTube clip of a DRACULA trailer complete with scenes deleted from the film and alternate takes to show me that THAT's how the BD should look!

:)


Better than what some low-budget old man remembers from an early project he did out of a van 21 years ago. :rolleyes:

It is missing the blue tint for sure. I am a pretty big fan and even before reading this thread I could tell something was off.

That said, it is a nice and detailed transfer....just the wrong tint!

What if you looked through the blue filter of video essentials while watching the nightime scenes? Would that help?

Lmao !!! :)