hah. So sony is officially bringing the format war to computer. Utilizing its control over Vaio, Sony (according to reports) pressured Adobe into dropping HD DVD support in their latest Premiere Elements 6 software. Kindly note that the software come as a standard with every Sony Vaio PC. With even MS supporting BD and MAC supporting HD DVD what is the trend that Sony is trying to create with their latest move?

with MS unable to package media player and IE with their Windows software ultimately according to EU, what makes Sony can get away with this in EU ?

http://www.photographypress.co.uk/news/news.phtml/6439/7463/adobe-blu-ray-software-sony-photoshop.phtml

24 September 2007 5:00 GMT - Adobe has said that its latest Premiere Elements package; version 6, will only support export options for Blu-ray rather than HD DVD.

An Adobe spokesman told Pocket-lint that he wasn't sure why the next gen high-def format isn't supported in the company's software, however talking to industry insiders who wanted to remain anonymous, they believed that it was pressure from laptop maker Sony insisting that the rival format isn't supported in the software.

"Adobe works closely with Sony. Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements are shipped as standard with Sony Vaio PCs", one source told Pocket-lint.

The move is likely to outrage Toshiba and Acer laptop users wanting to use the new version of the movie editing software who've opted for a HD DVD in their computers rather than Blu-ray.

hah. So sony is officially bringing the format war to computer. Utilizing its control over Vaio, Sony (according to reports) pressured Adobe into dropping HD DVD support in their latest Premiere Elements 6 software. Kindly note that the software come as a standard with every Sony Vaio PC. With even MS supporting BD and MAC supporting HD DVD what is the trend that Sony is trying to create with their latest move?

with MS unable to package media player and IE with their Windows software ultimately according to EU, what makes Sony can get away with this in EU ?

Blu-Boy response in advance
"Because everything Microsoft does is evil and everything Sony does is from the goodness of their hearts"

Insiders believed it was pressure from Sony? I thought insiders knew things, not guess about them.

Does the Vaio even give Sony that much leverage on Adobe?

I am not sure, but I was under the impression that TOshiba sells many more laptops than Sony

Blu-Boy response in advance
"Because everything Microsoft does is evil and everything Sony does is from the goodness of their hearts"
This forum just gets more intelligent as the days go on. :rolleyes:

A "Blu-Boy" response would be that it's probably because HD DVD burners are not available for purchase, not that Sony is taking over the world through force, or that Microsoft is evil.

Well maybe if HD DVD had a WRITER for once, it could have been supported..

I am not sure, but I was under the impression that TOshiba sells many more laptops than Sony
Toshiba made laptops ?

Yes... in fact best buy just had one for sale at $350... no rebates.

Too bad, I missed out on that.

Well maybe if HD DVD had a WRITER for once, it could have been supported..

You don't need an HD DVD writer to create HD DVD. There are far more people who can create HD DVDs using red laser than there are with BD writers. And applications for the same given the much lower cost of red laser blanks.

Not making an excuse for lack of HD DVD burners. But to the point of this thread, Adobe doesn't need to see HD DVD burners to see demand for HD optical creation software.

I am not sure, but I was under the impression that TOshiba sells many more laptops than Sony

Yep: http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/displaysearch_reports_2006_final_notebook_market_share_apple _41/

Insiders believed it was pressure from Sony? I thought insiders knew things, not guess about them.

The insiders have insiders.

hah. So sony is officially bringing the format war to computer. Utilizing its control over Vaio, Sony (according to reports) pressured Adobe into dropping HD DVD support in their latest Premiere Elements 6 software. Kindly note that the software come as a standard with every Sony Vaio PC. With even MS supporting BD and MAC supporting HD DVD what is the trend that Sony is trying to create with their latest move?

with MS unable to package media player and IE with their Windows software ultimately according to EU, what makes Sony can get away with this in EU ?

http://www.photographypress.co.uk/news/news.phtml/6439/7463/adobe-blu-ray-software-sony-photoshop.phtml
......however talking to industry insiders who wanted to remain anonymous, they believed that it was pressure from laptop maker Sony insisting that the rival format isn't supported in the software....industry insiders = ??? Any possibility that the "industry insiders" could include Amir and/or others from Microsoft?

$350 for laptops ? Sound like "Big PDA" :-) No surprise Adobe vent with BD
Yep: http://www.macdailynews.com/index.ph...hare_apple_41/
Isn’t all other company’s from the list (except Toshiba) BD only? Maybe this is the other reason.

You don't need an HD DVD writer to create HD DVD. There are far more people who can create HD DVDs using red laser than there are with BD writers. And applications for the same given the much lower cost of red laser blanks.

Not making an excuse for lack of HD DVD burners. But to the point of this thread, Adobe doesn't need to see HD DVD burners to see demand for HD optical creation software.
This is the only news I can find of this which apparently was just approved by the dvd forum less than 2 weeks ago:
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=21390

Are you referring to HD DVD content stored onto a regular 4.7 or 8.5 DVD?

industry insiders = ??? Any possibility that the "industry insiders" could include Amir and/or others from Microsoft?

Certainly did not include me as this is the first I hear about it. And in grand scheme of things, it is not something of priority to me to worry about. I can check with others at Microsoft and state our level of relationship if this is going to turn into another Paramount thing. But I hope I don't have to.

You don't need an HD DVD writer to create HD DVD. There are far more people who can create HD DVDs using red laser than there are with BD writers. And applications for the same given the much lower cost of red laser blanks.

Not making an excuse for lack of HD DVD burners. But to the point of this thread, Adobe doesn't need to see HD DVD burners to see demand for HD optical creation software.

Well, they DO see demand for HD optical creation software since they include support for BD, didn't they?

PS: Where is the statistics that say far more people create HDDVD content on DVD than with BD writers? I know several people with BD writers, but have not met anyone that burns HDDVD to dvd yet. It's curious that my experience in the Tech industry doesn't seem to match that claim.

Until someone shows some clear (unbiased) research on the matter, I think it is better not to make assumptions.

Isn’t all other company’s from the list (except Toshiba) BD only? Maybe this is the other reason.
Not even REMOTELY close. HP does both, but offers HD DVD in more models. Acer does both, but offers HD in more models and has offered them for a longer time. Lenovo does neither. Fujitsu sells HD DVD worldwide, and is about to start offering Blu-Ray in Japan only. Asus is HD DVD exclusive. Apple does neither.

The ONLY brands on that list that are BD exclusive are Sony and Dell. So at least you got two out of nine... :rolleyes: But since you didn't know that Toshiba made laptops at all, when in fact they make 10% of all the laptops in the world, doesn't surprise me that you were clueless on this as well.

Well, I guess I’m clueless. The legend is true. Non existent HD-DVD burner supported by most companies.
I just somehow think the all reason for Adobe premiere to actually author and burn video content. I didn’t realize us talking about playback. Sorry.

You don't need an HD DVD writer to create HD DVD. There are far more people who can create HD DVDs using red laser than there are with BD writers. And applications for the same given the much lower cost of red laser blanks.
I'd have purchased the Elements bundle immediately if it had given me the ability to produce slide shows in HD DVD format on plain old DVD recordable media. Any suggestions for such software?

Will PRE6 write such short-form programs in Blu-ray format to DVD blanks?

I know several people with BD writers, but have not met anyone that burns HDDVD to dvd yet. It's curious that my experience in the Tech industry doesn't seem to match that claim.There is a thread on it here with 2039 posts and 140,000 views...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=705146

PS: Where is the statistics that say far more people create HDDVD content on DVD than with BD writers? I know several people with BD writers, but have not met anyone that burns HDDVD to dvd yet. In the blu-ray section there is an equivalent thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=815296

640 posts, 31K views.

I know several people with BD writers, but have not met anyone that burns HDDVD to dvd yet.


Hi, my name is Dave and I burn HD DVD to dvd...nice to meet you :D

As if MS can't remedy that with some kind of alternative option if it boils down to that.

Hi, my name is Dave and I burn HD DVD to dvd...nice to meet you
Excellent move. Try to burn it to cd/vcd instead. You save much more.

As an Adobe products user this ticks me. Studios picking sides is bad enough, but a reach as broad Abode's many products had ought to include full support for both.

I was about to buy the Professional design suite to go with my new Mac. I had decided to go from Quark to InDesign, and from Final Cut to Adobe Premiere.

That is, until I heard this. I can only assume that they caved to SONY pressure on this, and think it's ridiculous that they wouldn't offer neutral support for both formats. Neither formats base is sufficiently sized to choose one over the other at this stage.

So in short until I hear they will also offer an HD DVD option, I will only be upgrading Photoshop, and refuse to invest in a $1400 transition that will only support half of the next generation of software products. I'll simply stick with Quark, Final Cut, and Studio Pro, and save some $ til they come to their senses.

They shouldn't play format-war politics with their customers, it's a good way to loose their business.

Well, 80% of Adobe users not individual but corporations. They may loose you $$$ but it all come preinstalled on millions of Vaio’s laptops. That’s what they care about...

This is pretty amusing really...


The move is likely to outrage Toshiba and Acer laptop users wanting to use the new version of the movie editing software who've opted for a HD DVD in their computers rather than Blu-ray.

Most of these HD DVD equipped Laptops have read only drives, and the c't report indicates that the writers that have been shipped are worthless.

On the other hand, BD writers in laptops actually work.

Perhaps Adobe is simply targeting an install base of capable users? Just a thought...

Let me get this straight: Business at Adobe is so good that they don't need to sell software to people who burn HD DVD to DVD's? Well, I guess that money will have to get spent elsewhere (Pinnacle, etc.). I assume Adobe got either a carrot or a stick (or both) from Sony.

I remember the days when companies competed by trying to deliver a better product at a cheaper price than the other guys.

Blu-Boy response in advance
"Because everything Microsoft does is evil and everything Sony does is from the goodness of their hearts"
:rolleyes:

rofl

I remember the days when companies competed by trying to deliver a better product at a cheaper price than the other guys.
That’s exactly what they doing

with MS unable to package media player and IE with their Windows software ultimately according to EU, what makes Sony can get away with this in EU ?

Oh, I don't know, perhaps it's the fact that they have physical proof of MS violating the EU's policies while these accusations are baseless attempts by the HD fanboys to draw the attention away from the fact that this is just another example of a company seeing willfully deciding to support Blu-ray.

Well, I guess I’m clueless. The legend is true. Non existent HD-DVD burner supported by most companies.
I just somehow think the all reason for Adobe premiere to actually author and burn video content. I didn’t realize us talking about playback. Sorry.

Well HD DVD burners are available from Toshiba, HP, Acer, and Samsung. Asus is reader only at this point.

with MS unable to package media player and IE with their Windows software ultimately according to EU, what makes Sony can get away with this in EU ?

I believe Sony does not own Adobe.

Blu-Boy response in advance
"Because everything Microsoft does is evil and everything Sony does is from the goodness of their hearts"

Yes, Sony is the devil, encompassing all evil known to man kind and some not unknown and MS is the angel, right?:D

Oh, I don't know, perhaps it's the fact that they have physical proof of MS violating the EU's policies while these accusations are baseless attempts by the HD fanboys to draw the attention away from the fact that this is just another example of a company seeing willfully deciding to support Blu-ray.Am I the only one who sees humor in a poster named "ps3maniac" talking about HD DVD "fanboys"? :)

Well we have gotten to the point in this forum were what anonymous insiders "believed" about something is stated as a fact in a thread title and the original poster even went as far as to say that this is "officially bringing the format war" to the computer world.

Well we have gotten to the point in this forum were what anonymous insiders "believed" about something is stated as a fact in a thread title and the original poster even went as far as to say that this is "officially bringing the format war" to the computer world.
So when it comes to Paramount, anonymous insiders are good enough, but not when it comes to Sony? :rolleyes:

In the blu-ray section there is an equivalent thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=815296

640 posts, 31K views.

Oh! So you can burn bluray to standard red laser DVD's. I didn't know that.

I believe Sony does not own Adobe.

but they prevented Adobe from offering HD DVD support! imagine MS prevented BD support in windows, BD will never see the light in computer industry. No ?

So when it comes to Paramount, anonymous insiders are good enough, but not when it comes to Sony? :rolleyes:

AVS Blu FAQ #2. RTFFaq :D

Well, 80% of Adobe users not individual but corporations. They may loose you $$$ but it all come preinstalled on millions of Vaio’s laptops. That’s what they care about...
sorry bud, wrong company. enterprise level customers use above all else, toshiba tecra's and satellite pro (Target, best buy, walmart) and ibm think pads.. the straglers use hp/compaq with dell, sony trailing on the laptop side.

but they prevented Adobe from offering HD DVD support! imagine MS prevented BD support in windows, BD will never see the light in computer industry. No ?

There used to be a saying back in the day "DOS ain't done until Lotus don't run"
Now I can't say if the dog bites, but do you really want to step on his tail?:)

There used to be a saying back in the day "DOS ain't done until Lotus don't run"
Now I can't say if the dog bites, but do you really want to step on his tail?:)

absolutely not. i would prefer to pad his back :p

but they prevented Adobe from offering HD DVD support! imagine MS prevented BD support in windows, BD will never see the light in computer industry. No ?

You asked how Sony thinks they can get away with this and I gave you an answer. Sony convinced another company through unknown means to not support a rival. Most likely Sony threatened to no longer bundle their software, which would end up costing Adobe sales. Nothing says Sony has to pre-install a third party program on any laptop.

Microsoft, on the other hand, installs their own software and makes it impossible to uninstall.

If Sony had a virtual laptop monopoly and bundled first party authoring software onto every laptop, then the situation would be more analogous.

Further, Sony is unlikely to sell Vaio laptops with HD DVD burners in them anytime soon. Any burner bought to be added on would likely come with an authoring program included anyway.

As an Adobe products user this ticks me. Studios picking sides is bad enough, but a reach as broad Abode's many products had ought to include full support for both.

I was about to buy the Professional design suite to go with my new Mac. I had decided to go from Quark to InDesign, and from Final Cut to Adobe Premiere.

That is, until I heard this. I can only assume that they caved to SONY pressure on this, and think it's ridiculous that they wouldn't offer neutral support for both formats. Neither formats base is sufficiently sized to choose one over the other at this stage.

So in short until I hear they will also offer an HD DVD option, I will only be upgrading Photoshop, and refuse to invest in a $1400 transition that will only support half of the next generation of software products. I'll simply stick with Quark, Final Cut, and Studio Pro, and save some $ til they come to their senses.

They shouldn't play format-war politics with their customers, it's a good way to loose their business.

So when Apple offers only BD super writers, are you gonna do?

sorry bud, wrong company. enterprise level customers use above all else, toshiba tecra's and satellite pro (Target, best buy, walmart) and ibm think pads.. the straglers use hp/compaq with dell, sony trailing on the laptop side.

Thats what I am thinking. Why do people in this thread think that Sony has all this power in the Laptop Market? The Vaio's are not Dominant.

Excellent move. Try to burn it to cd/vcd instead. You save much more.
What a stupid response.
You can fit quite a bit of high definition content on a standard DVD. Certainly more than enough for people's home videos.

If cutting HD DVD support out makes it cheaper I'm all for it ;) Why does Sony want to pay HD DVD licensing fee on their own products?

What a stupid response.
You can fit quite a bit of high definition content on a standard DVD. Certainly more than enough for people's home videos.

full HD with good codec and compression you will be able to put 10-20minutes on one DVD, and I am not talking about super recomputed x264 codec with several passes from pristing digital source....... than you can put full movie in 720p

M.

What about bitrates limitations?

Thats what I am thinking. Why do people in this thread think that Sony has all this power in the Laptop Market? The Vaio's are not Dominant.

Because they are not in an enterprise environment day in and out ;)

I have worked for Best buy HQ and Target HQ (Nice thing about the twin cities and that is just the tiny list of huge fortune 100 companies I have worked for) and both where Toshiba laptops, HP/Compaq desktop and Dell servers :)

Keeps imaging simple and down to minutes from start to finish and those toshiba satellite pro's can take a phyiscal beating.

full HD with good codec and compression you will be able to put 10-20minutes on one DVD, and I am not talking about super recomputed x264 codec with several passes from pristing digital source....... than you can put full movie in 720p
What are you talking about?
Even a full-length 100 min retail movie such as Kiss Kiss Bang Bang takes up a mere 12 GB.

Your 10-20 minutes are not realistic. 45-60 minutes seems closer. Also consider that a lot of people will want to use 720p.
Burning HD DVD content on standard DVDs makes perfect sense in a lot of cases.

I'm in the middle of putting an HD DVD photo slideshow from my last vacation on a DVD, thankfully I don't depend on Adobe Premiere for that.

So when Apple offers only BD super writers, are you gonna do?

since that isn't gonna happen I won't worry ;)

actually I don't need GB for the kind of work I do now any way.

I'm in the middle of putting an HD DVD photo slideshow from my last vacation on a DVD, thankfully I don't depend on Adobe Premiere for that.
Chris,
What software are you using to do this? Some comments on the ease (or otherwise) of the process would be appreciated!

Ron

Well HD DVD burners are available from Toshiba, HP, Acer, and Samsung. Asus is reader only at this point.

I'm just curious where you can buy a hd-dvd burner from? Do they sell them yet? I have not been able to find one. I'm guessing you are perhaps talking about units only available as part of a laptop?

Chris,
What software are you using to do this? Some comments on the ease (or otherwise) of the process would be appreciated!Ron
Sorry for taking so long to reply.

I'm using Photodex ProShow (http://www.photodex.com/products/producer/) for the slideshow itself. It's available in several versions and can output the slideshows in MPEG-2 format. I'm not sure whether the cheaper versions can output HD videos, the producer version can.

From there on out I'll simply follow the AVS Guide to HD DVD Authoring (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=705146) which explains how to use Ulead MovieFactory (http://www.ulead.com/dmf/runme.htm) to create the actual disc based on the MPEG-2 file.

PS: Where is the statistics that say far more people create HDDVD content on DVD than with BD writers? I know several people with BD writers, but have not met anyone that burns HDDVD to dvd yet. It's curious that my experience in the Tech industry doesn't seem to match that claim.


I don't think it would be easy to find "statistics" about how many people create content on EITHER format.

Regardless, I think the ability to create HD-DVD compatible videos using cheap and plentiful DVD-R is one of the biggest selling features for the format. Unfortunately Adobe has decided to "pick sides" rather than "pick customers". This will likely change with a "plug-in" in the near future.

You can store a good 30-40 minutes of HD video on a standard .50c DVD-R that is 100% compatible with all HD-DVD players. This just happens to be about the ideal length of home videos. Many people would be using this feature to store their family memories in high definition glory and to use a $20 HDM-R for this purpose would be expensive and overkill at best.

I'm just curious where you can buy a hd-dvd burner from? Do they sell them yet? I have not been able to find one. I'm guessing you are perhaps talking about units only available as part of a laptop?
You're correct. We were discussing the laptop market. I've yet to see an HD DVD-R bare drive either. Though I've been seeing the media everywhere for MONTHS.... :confused:

This should be in the rumors section. What's sad about this format war is the way "anonymous insiders" now get to make claims without even offering evidence. It's making reputable sources of information nothing more than sounding boards for professionals with an agenda to try and color any event that happens. Sadly, this sometimes includes the insider's thread here.

Not making an excuse for lack of HD DVD burners. But to the point of this thread, Adobe doesn't need to see HD DVD burners to see demand for HD optical creation software.

No, but they do need to see demand. Clearly they did not see sufficient demand if they didn't include it. Toshiba and Acer sell faaaar more laptops than Sony, and the "anonymous insider(s)" is/are clearly spilling a load of dingos kidneys in an attempt to downplay the news.

Edit: Which is silly anyways, because this isn't earth-shattering war-ending news anyways.

Yes, Sony is the devil, encompassing all evil known to man kind and some not unknown and MS is the angel, right?:D

What does one have to do with another?

No, but they do need to see demand. Clearly they did not see sufficient demand if they didn't include it.
If it were so "clear" this thread would not exist :p.

If it were so "clear" this thread would not exist :p.

If there were demand for making HD-DVD material... wouldnt someone make bare drive HD-DVD burners?

If there were demand for making HD-DVD material... wouldnt someone make bare drive HD-DVD burners?

Per my earlier post, much of the activity we see in this space comes from burning to red laser drives but with HD DVD formatting. And here, the drives and media are far more plentiful and cheaper than alternative HD media.

If you are asking in grand scheme of things if there is "demand" then the answer clearly is no. But that holds true for both formats as portable hard disks are so cheap and "grandma" does not have a BD/HD DVD player to watch videos. Nor would she probably care to see said home videos in "HD." :)

Fortunately for us in media production Adobe isn't the only company who supplies our needs ;)

Personally I've never been a fan of Adobe and part of that stems from a VERY arrogant and rude Australian rep who was lucky not to leave my office with a black eye.

Stuff Adobe that's all I can say.

since that isn't gonna happen I won't worry ;)

actually I don't need GB for the kind of work I do now any way.

LOL. We'll see a BD burner in a Mac Pro far before an hd dvd burner, that's guaranteed.

I'm using Photodex ProShow (http://www.photodex.com/products/producer/) for the slideshow itself. It's available in several versions and can output the slideshows in MPEG-2 format. I'm not sure whether the cheaper versions can output HD videos, the producer version can.

From there on out I'll simply follow the AVS Guide to HD DVD Authoring (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=705146) which explains how to use Ulead MovieFactory (http://www.ulead.com/dmf/runme.htm) to create the actual disc based on the MPEG-2 file.
Thanks, Chris.

It certainly seems that MovieFactory is the application of choice. It appears that version 6_Plus will do HD slide shows by itself. But if that doesn't work too well, I could get a copy of Photodex ProShow.

edit: Luckily the $70 ProShow Gold version is said to do HD. I couldn't have rationalized buying the $250 Producer version.

Ron

Per my earlier post, much of the activity we see in this space comes from burning to red laser drives but with HD DVD formatting. And here, the drives and media are far more plentiful and cheaper than alternative HD media.

If you are asking in grand scheme of things if there is "demand" then the answer clearly is no. But that holds true for both formats as portable hard disks are so cheap and "grandma" does not have a BD/HD DVD player to watch videos. Nor would she probably care to see said home videos in "HD." :)

But what I am saying is that.. if there was a decent amount of people making HD-DVD content on DVD... wouldnt a manufacturer bother to make some bare drive HD-DVD burners.

Probably a decent amount of those people would want to play with HD-DVD content on an HD-DVD disc.

I am not sure why people in this thread think that the Sony Vaio line is so powerful that it can push Adobe around. Clearly, Adobe feels that the cost to benefit ratio is not there for them.

hah. So sony is officially bringing the format war to computer. Utilizing its control over Vaio, Sony (according to reports) pressured Adobe into dropping HD DVD support in their latest Premiere Elements 6 software. Kindly note that the software come as a standard with every Sony Vaio PC. With even MS supporting BD and MAC supporting HD DVD what is the trend that Sony is trying to create with their latest move?

with MS unable to package media player and IE with their Windows software ultimately according to EU, what makes Sony can get away with this in EU ?

http://www.photographypress.co.uk/news/news.phtml/6439/7463/adobe-blu-ray-software-sony-photoshop.phtml

I have a hard time believing a rumor from a site that can't even get the version of the program right. PHOTOSHOP elements is at version 6. PREMIERE elements is only up to version 4. Premiere CS3 has also been out for a while and only supports Blu-Ray also. Since the support was made before Premiere elements 4 was released for a product that sony doesn't bundle with it's laptops I doubt this really has anything to do with Sony Pressure.

I am not sure why people in this thread think that the Sony Vaio line is so powerful that it can push Adobe around. Take a look at the new VAIOs and see how many of them come bundled with this software. That's a lot of clout.

Besides, this is not guesswork - this discussion is based on an actual report that Sony actually does seem to have pressured Adobe.

Take a look at the new VAIOs and see how many of them come bundled with this software. That's a lot of clout.

Besides, this is not guesswork - this discussion is based on an actual report that Sony actually does seem to have pressured Adobe.

So you like anonymous sources when they say Sony is pushing people around, but not when they say that Paramount took a payoff to go HD DVD exclusive?

Does the Vaio even give Sony that much leverage on Adobe?

I am not sure, but I was under the impression that TOshiba sells many more laptops than Sony

They do. What'll happen is that Adobe supports 2 types of software. One without HD-DVD support for the Viao, and one with it for everything else.

Adobe can't ignore the fact that all the largest notebook makers in the industry have signed on to HD-DVD.

$350 for laptops ? Sound like "Big PDA" :-) No surprise Adobe vent with BD

Isn’t all other company’s from the list (except Toshiba) BD only? Maybe this is the other reason.

No actually. HP/Compaq and several others (who dwarf Viao sales in Notebook computers btw) Are going HD-DVD next year.

Toshiba is MUCH bigger in the computer industry than Sony is.