do you think so? the title is listed as "discontinued by manufacturer" on amazon, and i can't find it in stores at all. if it is fixed, i suspect it's like the superman fix, which means "yeah, we fixed it, but good luck finding it"

also, buy.com is showing a 3rd upc:

Product Summary
Publisher: Warner
Format: Blu-Ray DVD
UPC: 00883929016938
Buy.com Sku: 206895917
Item#: V2NT32
Buy.com Sales Rank: 473

I wouldnt worry to much about amazon's "discontinued by manufacturer" statement. I have seen that put on some that it is later taken off of, like Rush Hour 3 and The Omega Man. It seems to be some freaky thing they computer can do from time to time. The 24p version can be ordered from best buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8817444&st=terminator+3&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1331264). I also wouldnt be surprised to see them thinking about putting a better copy out to go along with the new movie. Same goes for the other two movies, no better time to try and double dip than with a new sequel comming out.

I feel bad for the people who are trying hard to grab the re-issue despite requesting to import from AUSTRALIA for $23. It was even available for less than $20 in a recent sale.

I feel bad for the people who are trying hard to grab the re-issue despite requesting to import from AUSTRALIA for $23. It was even available for less than $20 in a recent sale.

i ordered mine direct from warner for $19.xx after coupon...

I just watched Superman Returns tonight although unfortunately it wasn't the True HD edition which i was unable to get hold of.

I am led to believe there is blocking and banding all over this disc.....I didn't see any of these issues and i was looking for them....All i saw was a perfectly good fine picture quality which could not be bettered.

They shot this with a softer look to blend in with Superman and Superman II and it looks just perfect to my eyes and most certainly high definition.

Could the people seeing banding and blocking have their monitors/projectors set up wrong ?

Set your brightness/contrast too high ( to get that 3D "pop" ) and you will see issues with some discs as the calibration is then wrong..... As for the banding then could it be an issue with some sets/projectors such as DLP ones ?

I ask this because i'm viewing on an LCD which is calibrated and i saw absolutely zero issues...No banding in the water and no blocking at all. For those who think i'm mad i did see banding in Happy Feet so i do know what to look for and i have seen plenty of blocking in various films over the years but saw none in this one......

It looked as it should....No added DNR or EE just a perfectly good looking digital shot film. I sure hope we get super villians for the next movie and not Lex Luthor again though.

Insiders who have seen the master have admitted the banding is partly in the source material. Look over some of the water scenes again, though that is not the only banding and blocking present in the movie. The lossless audio is a real winner though.

The banding is very evident in my 61" DLP set...mostly in the water scenes but very faint in some sky shots like the shuttle sequence. It's very noticeable anytime there is an underwater sequence. I actually watched this last night but the HD-DVD version, & the TrueHD track is still a winner!

The banding is very evident in my 61" DLP set...mostly in the water scenes but very faint in some sky shots like the shuttle sequence. It's very noticeable anytime there is an underwater sequence. I actually watched this last night but the HD-DVD version, & the TrueHD track is still a winner!

Perhaps it's there but on my projection LCD viewing at 106 inches i never noticed any banding whatsoever on the water scenes and the shuttle/plane scene was the most thrilling part of the movie and i was enjoying it too much to notice any issues there.

Now on The X Files - Fight The Future the blocking at the start is obvious....On Happy Feet some banding is obvious but on this one i never noticed it.

Not saying there aren't issues but i never noticed them as obvious as on some movies such as the above - I noticed massive plot loopholes more this second time of viewing the movie than any banding or blocking. I suspect as Patrick says if there are issues some of them will be on the Master used for the Blu Ray.

There are two copies of the PCM/True HD Superman Returns Blu Ray at the Altamonte Springs Best Buy in Orlando.

Christ, what a soundtrack. I watched the plane rescue. Astounding.

It's really a super audio track indeed. I have the Australian import I think? :D Not really sure! But it has the PCM 5.1, TrueHD, and regular DD 5.1. On my rig, the reg 5.1 track is much louder so when doing comparisons, you really need to set the other tracks right.

That said, and I'm definately a fan of lossless tracks...the 5.1 is not shabby. What I notice the most in the TrueHD & PCM tracks is the bass is indeed deeper, and the front soundstage sounds larger...not so front heavy for lack of a better description. Just more dynamic range in these.

I agree in the image as well. Certainly not as sharp as some titles but it's faithful to the way I remember seeing it in it's IMAX run back in 2006.

It's a great disc.

Picked this up at BB with a Gift Card this week...

Incredible sound (PCM 5.1). It is going to be one of my reference discs for sound, and the picture is pretty damn nice as well.

I started to nod off when the Metropolis scenes started, and the shuttle\plane scene shook me back awake quite nicely :)

Saw it at my local Best Buy too. I think it is safe to say that it is will be replacing all the ohter copies on the shelves to BB soon.

My local BB has 2 copies of Returns, 1 was the original DD, and the other was the TrueHD. I picked up the TrueHD.

My local BB has 2 copies of Returns, 1 was the original DD, and the other was the TrueHD. I picked up the TrueHD.
It's A No Brainer! :)

Warner has it for $23 with free shipping right now so I bit. Recently sold my HD-XA2 and this is one of the titles I hadn't replaced. Looking forward to watching it on my new plasma.

For those of you buying Superman Returns with the HD audio formats, I would recommend choosing the 5.1 PCM track instead of the Dolby True HD... the (uncompressed) PCM is one of the best audio tracks I have heard.

For those of you buying Superman Returns with the HD audio formats, I would recommend choosing the 5.1 PCM track instead of the Dolby True HD... the (uncompressed) PCM is one of the best audio tracks I have heard.

They are the same.

Make sure you have the TrueHD "night mode" set to OFF and not ON or AUTO.

Right now they are selling this movie at BB at $16.99.. Awsome sound....

Right now they are selling this movie at BB at $16.99.. Awsome sound....You sure it's the TrueHD version, because the date for the release listed is for the standard version.

You sure it's the TrueHD version, because the date for the release listed is for the standard version.

I looked at this in my Best Buy, the back said TrueHD. This was last weekend.

You sure it's the TrueHD version, because the date for the release listed is for the standard version.

it is indeed the trueHD version as i bought it today. ive been waiting for this to go on sale at BB for awhile and i got it for cheap with the new sound. score!!:p

it is indeed the trueHD version as i bought it today. ive been waiting for this to go on sale at BB for awhile and i got it for cheap with the new sound. score!!:pWell, unfortunately the one listed for sale on BB.com is the older version, so apparently they made a mistake in-store. I'll have to try to go to my store and see if they'll do the same thing rather than purchasing over the net.

Just snatched a used one off of ebay this morning. $75 shipped :eek:

This better be the best sounding BD EVER! :D

$16.99 @ Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8038063&st=Superman+Returns+Blu-ray&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1608315)

Gotta feel bad for anyone that paid $75+ because the movie isn't even that good. Its pretty bad by most reviewer accounts.

Oh well, live and learn...

$16.99 @ Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8038063&st=Superman+Returns+Blu-ray&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1608315)

Gotta feel bad for anyone that paid $75+ because the movie isn't even that good. Its pretty bad by most reviewer accounts.

Oh well, live and learn...

Actually, this movie had strong critical reviews, but that's off topic.

Picked mines up yesterday along with Daredevil

Purchased at BB in Rego Park, NY for $16.99. They had 4 copies. Dolby TrueHD and PCM track version.

I did the red2blu exchange, and the blu version they sent was the TrueHD and PCM 5.1 version.

I know this thread was primarly about the audio BUT it was the most visited Superman Returns thread so it makes scense to post here.
Is there a chance we could see an Imax version on blu-ray similar to TDK or Tranformers 2, and the new Star Trek? I for one would buy it as I enjoy the effect (I know not everyone does but I do) and I have a 106" 16X9 screen with masking that I then have to leave open. By the way anyone know what scenes were in 3D AND imax?

I know this thread was primarly about the audio BUT it was the most visited Superman Returns thread so it makes scense to post here.
Is there a chance we could see an Imax version on blu-ray similar to TDK or Tranformers 2, and the new Star Trek? I for one would buy it as I enjoy the effect (I know not everyone does but I do) and I have a 106" 16X9 screen with masking that I then have to leave open. By the way anyone know what scenes were in 3D AND imax?

This film does not have special IMAX scenes.

For The Dark Knight and Transformers 2, portions of the film were shot with actual IMAX cameras, meaning whole IMAX frames were filled. These scenes were then shown full-resolution in IMAX cinemas, and cropped for regular cinemas. That is why they can make Blu-rays where the screen "opens up" for the IMAX sequences and shows more than the standard version (and is usually noticeably higher-quality).

Neither Superman Returns nor Star Trek were shot with IMAX cameras, so this is not possible. I don't remember if Superman Returns was played at IMAX theaters, but I know Star Trek definitely was. In the case of Star Trek, the print shown in the IMAX theaters was, for all intents and purposes, the same as the prints shown in regular theaters. It had to go through some IMAX process to be shown on the projector, surely, but no scenes were shot in IMAX so there were no resolution gains to be had, and the ratio of the film was identical. It was simply shown on the larger IMAX screens, that is all. There would be no benefit in deriving a Blu-ray from the IMAX print (in fact, there would likely be an adverse effect, as that Blu-ray source would have gone through the IMAX upsampling before being downsampled to BD spec). If Superman Returns was shown at IMAX as well, the same holds true for it.

I know this thread was primarly about the audio BUT it was the most visited Superman Returns thread so it makes scense to post here.
Is there a chance we could see an Imax version on blu-ray similar to TDK or Tranformers 2, and the new Star Trek? I for one would buy it as I enjoy the effect (I know not everyone does but I do) and I have a 106" 16X9 screen with masking that I then have to leave open. By the way anyone know what scenes were in 3D AND imax?
No problem. Would you like fries with that?

Neither Superman Returns nor Star Trek were shot with IMAX cameras, so this is not possible. I don't remember if Superman Returns was played at IMAX theaters, but I know Star Trek definitely was. In the case of Star Trek, the print shown in the IMAX theaters was, for all intents and purposes, the same as the prints shown in regular theaters. It had to go through some IMAX process to be shown on the projector, surely, but no scenes were shot in IMAX so there were no resolution gains to be had, and the ratio of the film was identical. It was simply shown on the larger IMAX screens, that is all. There would be no benefit in deriving a Blu-ray from the IMAX print (in fact, there would likely be an adverse effect, as that Blu-ray source would have gone through the IMAX upsampling before being downsampled to BD spec). If Superman Returns was shown at IMAX as well, the same holds true for it.

Superman Returns was shown at certain venues in IMAX with 3-D sequences. You are correct, none of it was shot with IMAX cameras (it was shot digitally with the Panavison Genesis) and the 3-D scenes were the same "2-D reprocessed for 3-D" like they use for the last 2 Harry Potter films.

The BD is a disappointment due to the extremely low bitrates used to cram it and it's lossless soundtrack and extras on a HD DVD 30GB disc. Hopefully someday they'll reissue it with the high bitrates it deserves. It was clean and sharp in IMAX, without that nasty underwater banding caused by trying to encode VC-1 at bitrates lower than 10Mbps for those shots!

For those curious, I saw it in IMAX 3-D, some scenes like the plane rescue, Clark remembering his childhood on the farm, the bank heist, the entire ending. Interestingly enough, the main titles with the CGI weren't in 3-D, a producer told me there simply wasn't time to render them that way!

Also according to the producers, there was an IME PiP track that was left off due to space issues, and the extras should have been in HD. You can thank Warner's commitment to HD DVD at the time for that one as well. Sigh. :mad:

Also according to the producers, there was an IME PiP track that was left off due to space issues, and the extras should have been in HD. You can thank Warner's commitment to HD DVD at the time for that one as well. Sigh. :mad:
Lovely. Yeah, the underwater banding was a big tipoff to me that there was a lot of over-compression going on. Granted, it could be a simple dithering algorithm choice, but it seems more likely they were just trying to make the source material as easy to compress as possible.

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