So that everyone can get a chance to see The Assassination of Jesse James By the Coward Robert Ford in high def. What a simply beautiful movie.

So that everyone can get a chance to see The Assassination of Jesse James By the Coward Robert Ford in high def. What a simply beautiful movie.

I hope Warner comes back home to HD DVD exclusively. Everyone can still see the movie abeit with the proper equipment.

I hope Warner comes back home to HD DVD exclusively. Everyone can still see the movie abeit with the proper equipment.

Yeah a 3 hour movie with no lossless audio and no features on the single disc! Thats what we all need!

I hope Warner comes back home to HD DVD exclusively. Everyone can still see the movie abeit with the proper equipment.

I hope Warner does too, but to do any good they should do it before 08, and they won't so things are still a mess.

I'm getting sick of seeing everything limp along at this pace.

Yeah a 3 hour movie with no lossless audio and no features on the single disc! Thats what we all need!

I agree!! Do it Warner!!:)

*Page stolen from thebland*

Yeah a 3 hour movie with no lossless audio and no features on the single disc! Thats what we all need!

There's also something called tl51 and this is officially BD worst nightmare

There's also something called tl51 and this is officially BD worst nightmare

Talk about unfinished specs....:rolleyes:

Yeah a 3 hour movie with no lossless audio and no features on the single disc! Thats what we all need!

Well, as Troy DC is over 30 minutes longer and has True HD sound on HD DVD, I'd say Jesse James could very well have lossless audio and has special features all on one disc

actually the 51 is so real it has scared the hell out of the bdforum.

I hope Warner comes back home to HD DVD exclusively. Everyone can still see the movie abeit with the proper equipment.

Stupid comment of the day, you win. :cool:

actually the 51 is so real it has scared the hell out of the bdforum.

Bandwith my friend, bandwith.

P.S. Sig is for you.

Bandwith my friend, bandwith.

P.S. Sig is for you.

Ain't bandwith a bitch!:eek:

I'd like to see WB go HD DVD because 18 months, for whatever reason is 17 months too long for BD to stall the market with FUD.

At this point I don't know if it's still the BDA hinting at Paramount buy-offs, or that they just can't live up to their technical specs til then, either way I don't care. If Warner goes the way of Paramount it's over and done. I'd see it as Warner allowing consumer confidence and price to meet and move HD along.

I don't see how even those who lean BD can see as a year-and-a-half stall as doing more harm than good to the possibility of HDM becoming more than a flash in the pan.

Bandwith my friend, bandwith.

P.S. Sig is for you.


cool but bandwidth is what you are shouting now??? Wow so when will BD fans ever just stop, it is getting ridiculous. 51gb is all that is needed, and it is one more gb than BD, so stop with the bandwidth, it means nothing with VC1, it is more of a concern for all your BD Mpeg-2 bandwidth hog flicks, enjoy those.

cool but bandwidth is what you are shouting now??? Wow so when will BD fans ever just stop, it is getting ridiculous. 51gb is all that is needed, and it is one more gb than BD, so stop with the bandwidth, it means nothing with VC1, it is more of a concern for all your BD Mpeg-2 bandwidth hog flicks, enjoy those.

lol, yeah that 1GB makes all the difference! And you are so close at 30GB's, only 21GB's to get "all that is needed":p

When the movies get there let us know.. mmmmkay:o

Sooner or later, Warner will figure out the simple scenario.

If they were to go HD DVD only, everybody (or are near as makes no difference) with a BD player will also buy a HD DVD player.

If that happens, it's game-over for BD.

There's no way that BD can get prices down to mass-adoption levels before HD DVD players have already sold like hot cakes.

The Nielsens will swing massively towards HD DVD, and Fox and Disney will see that the game's up.

Much as they'd like to, Sony won't stand alone.

Steve W

There's also something called tl51 and this is officially BD worst nightmare

An acknowledgment of BD's superiority.

cool but bandwidth is what you are shouting now??? Wow so when will BD fans ever just stop, it is getting ridiculous. 51gb is all that is needed, and it is one more gb than BD, so stop with the bandwidth, it means nothing with VC1, it is more of a concern for all your BD Mpeg-2 bandwidth hog flicks, enjoy those.Can you let me know which movies I can get on a 51 disc? I want to personally observe the quality differences possible using those discs.

If that happens, it's game-over for BD.

There's no way that BD can get prices down to mass-adoption levels before HD DVD players have already sold like hot cakes.



It's already game over for BD... they can't win this with the prices they have now. History has shown REPEATEDLY that price wins out. J6P doesn't care about bandwidth, a 50 or 51gig disks... what they want is reasonable quality at a low price and HD DVD is much further ahead on that then BD is. In fact one has to wonder if the BD price is going to go UP and not down once they start including the proper hardware for 1.1 compliance... HD DVD already has this.

But more to the point... sooner or later all the studios will go neutral for the mere reason that exclusivity costs money.... and businesses don't like losing it. Once that happens BD will have lost the only SERIOUS J6P advantage it has... and that's movie studios.

But with BD still pumping out machines with $1300 and $2000 price tags... they still don't seem to get it.

Talk about unfinished specs....:rolleyes:

Ok which format would you like to talk about?

I like having Warner neutral. This way I can get all their HD DVDs 'exclusives' yet also skip paying the extra for a combo.

Yeah a 3 hour movie with no lossless audio and no features on the single disc! Thats what we all need!

Troy DC any one?

and the simplest facts yet again smash the dreams of the blu-boys

Ain't bandwith a bitch!:eek:

Yep....especially when using MPEG-2....:D


When using a more advanced codec, bandwidth is a subject left to those who need to compensate for other shortcomings in life to talk about.....:D

Troy DC any one?

and the simplest facts yet again smash the dreams of the blu-boys

I suspect Troy was the example the OP had in mind of what he didn't want to see.

Yeah a 3 hour movie with no lossless audio and no features on the single disc! Thats what we all need!

No features on the disc? Are we talking about Warner or Fox, I'm confused??

Oh, right...if it were Fox it would have no features, lossless audio that can't be decoded by any player, and be relegated to a 25GB single-layered disc for $40! :eek:

Yep....especially when using MPEG-2....:D


When using a more advanced codec, bandwidth is a subject left to those who need to compensate for other shortcomings in life to talk about.....:D

Extra bandwidth, unless you actually plan to use it, amounts to little more than a bragging right. On the other hand, I guess one needs SOME KIND of bragging right when you start talking about the rest of the hardware that BD is MISSING in order to be 1.1 compliant. It'll be quite interesting to see the BD price tags once they DO start including things like modems and dual video decoders... etc.

And as far as BD's 50gig disk goes... we all have to get up and switch disks with the movie Alexander. So if the studios are going to do it their way and split movies onto 2 disks... then there goes the 50gig disk advantage.... what's left other than studio support which we all know can change anytime???

There's also something called tl51 and this is officially BD worst nightmare

Tl51 TL51 TL51...... I Call bs until you got a movie running off of one then its not a valid argument on why hd dvd delivers lower quality encodes on long movies with only dd+.

.. no features on the single disc!..

BR fans are close minded. HD DVD does not need features on the disc because EVERY player and an ethernet port. Millions of gigabytes can be accessed from the Internet. Why access static features on an old disc when you can access dynamic data from the web?

BR has no way of doing that, and most stand-alones NEVER will! BR is still at profile 1.0!

Yeah a 3 hour movie with no lossless audio and no features on the single disc! Thats what we all need!

They could just split it onto two discs like Bluray does. :)

They could just split it onto two discs like Bluray does. :)

...and leave out the features
...and not offer access to dynamic content

They could just split it onto two discs like Bluray does. :)

The only example I can think of where the movie itself is on two discs is Alexander, which is not BD exclusive. I wonder which format required the split?

So that everyone can get a chance to see The Assassination of Jesse James By the Coward Robert Ford in high def. What a simply beautiful movie.

Thanks for the review. I might check it out in the theaters to see it in full big screen glory. Superbad looked "soft" on the big screen. As a result, I don't mind getting the SD DVD version, since I don't have a Blu-ray player yet.

BTW, I wish all studios were neutral. That's just MHO.

Talk about unfinished specs....:rolleyes:

Why? Are we talking about BD now? :rolleyes:

Tl51 TL51 TL51...... I Call bs until you got a movie running off of one then its not a valid argument on why hd dvd delivers lower quality encodes on long movies with only dd+.

Wrong.

Good example -- Troy - over 3 hours with True HD.

WB is going to stay neutral until CES 2008 when they will evaluate how the formats have done for Q4.

The studios know that they can't go into the mass market with two formats. J6P WILL NOT buy 2 players and the price of DF players is WAY out of his reach and not to come down anytime soon.

Everyone wants to see how the masses react to low priced players and high priced movies. If a bunch of players are sold by HD DVD there will be side changes. If the public shuns HDM then both formats are in trouble and will remain niche until they are replaced with something else.

Wrong.

Good example -- Troy - over 3 hours with True HD.

And mediocre PQ.

There's also something called tl51 and this is officially BD worst nightmare

TL51, a.k.a. "VAPORWARE."

Not the least bit nervous here.

TL51, a.k.a. "VAPORWARE."

Not the least bit nervous here.

If you understood the approval process that the DVD Forum demands, you would not have made your post.

The TL51 has passed the First Approval. The next (and last) is the Final Production Approval. Once this is received - the discs will hit the marketplace.

Seems HD DVD would rather make sure of what it offers then BD which rushed everything to market then tries to figure out how to make it work.

BD profile 1.1 and 2.0 players - now THERE are two examples of vaporware if there ever was.

TL51, a.k.a. "VAPORWARE."

Not the least bit nervous here.

And even if it ever saw the light of day, would it play on current players?

And even if it ever saw the light of day, would it play on current players?

PLEASE! Go to the DVD Forum's website. There are numerous links that cover this. According to the DVD Forum - it HAS to play in the majority of the players or else it will not be given Final Production Approval.

Enough of the Strawman, Red Herring posts. The info is there for ANYONE to look at. There is a 6 page PDF on Compatibility - I have posted the link numerous times. Just read the dam thing.

PLEASE! Go to the DVD Forum's website. There are numerous links that cover this. According to the DVD Forum - it HAS to play in the majority of the players or else it will not be given Final Production Approval.

Enough of the Strawman, Red Herring posts. The info is there for ANYONE to look at. There is a 6 page PDF on Compatibility - I have posted the link numerous times. Just read the dam thing.

The majority of players? That's very reassuring.

The majority of players? That's very reassuring.

I understand. That issue of whether Profile 1.1 discs will even play in 1.0 players must have you worried right? So you bring up the compatibility issue for the TL51.

Well to state the obvious . . .neither the TL51 nor 1.1 BD discs exist. In fact there is no 1.1 BD player.

And even if it ever saw the light of day, would it play on current players?
Same questions being asked about BD+ and profile 1.1

That is why we have not seen either...and may not till next year to...avoid bad press.

It is always funny and entertaining to read through fanchild threads like this.:D

Neanderthal 1: My daddy can beat up your daddy.
Neanderthal 2: That's nothing my daddy can rape and pillage your whole village by himself.

Here's my take on this whole issue.

I am neutral on the format, but in a way i do lean more towards HD DVD for a few reasons (BD's unfinished spec, relying on a game console to win the 'war', and aggressive negative marketing just to name a few). I believe if Warner were to go exclusive to HD DVD that other BD studios would follow or at least go neutral. It's clear the BD camp hasn't gotten what they wanted with HD DVD supposed to be dead some 3 times by now. Warner staying neutral paves the way for both formats to never really take off. I think since Warner was once HD DVD exclusive and the fact that BD never really took off when it had the most potential to do so that it should give HD DVD the opportunity and see if the mass market will finally embrace HDM.

As far as bandwidth preaching, even I know that is all FUD due to the codecs being used. All 'advantages' the blu boys had are no longer there.

My posts due seem to be HD DVD biased but I like BD, so long as it was ready but it seems it's geared more towards PCs anyways. I find it funny that a gamer who purchases a PS3 instantly thinks he is a HT guru. I'm 28, still piecing together my setup but only building my gaming side of things now and don't know diddly squat to what most on here know.

The only example I can think of where the movie itself is on two discs is Alexander, which is not BD exclusive. I wonder which format required the split?

Splitting special feature on a second disk is not a bad thing, and that's not HD DVD gas coming out.

In my horror forum twice members have said "Why should I buy the HD DVD version, when the SD DVD version is a two-disk special edition?" They never even bothered to consider these features were also there on the single disk HD DVD.

The "Two disk special edition" has become a somewhat ingrained symbol of quality to the consumer, and I doubt half of them ever even pop disk 2 in the player.

I am neutral on the format, but in a way i do lean more towards HD DVD for a few reasons (BD's unfinished spec, relying on a game console to win the 'war', and aggressive negative marketing just to name a few). I believe if Warner were to go exclusive to HD DVD that other BD studios would follow or at least go neutral. It's clear the BD camp hasn't gotten what they wanted with HD DVD supposed to be dead some 3 times by now. Warner staying neutral paves the way for both formats to never really take off. I think since Warner was once HD DVD exclusive and the fact that BD never really took off when it had the most potential to do so that it should give HD DVD the opportunity and see if the mass market will finally embrace HDM.

I don't care if your "neutral" or not, what your saying makes perfect sense to me, and I hope eventually to Warner. You don't have to humble yourself when your solution is this viable. It's politics, not quality that's that's crimping the HDM hose right now, and that's bullsh!t. HD DVD is affordable and ready, all it needs is more software support to get people buying.

Were not going to get 100% studio nuetrality, which again IMO would give the prize to HD DVD, so this would be my second choice for getting things out of the 3% realm fast.

If you understood the approval process that the DVD Forum demands, you would not have made your post.

The TL51 has passed the First Approval. The next (and last) is the Final Production Approval. Once this is received - the discs will hit the marketplace.

Seems HD DVD would rather make sure of what it offers then BD which rushed everything to market then tries to figure out how to make it work.



Yeah combo discs are a great example of this.:rolleyes:

Stupid comment of the day, you win. :cool:

Only if you're a Smurf. ;)

Sooner or later, Warner will figure out the simple scenario.

If they were to go HD DVD only, everybody (or are near as makes no difference) with a BD player will also buy a HD DVD player.

If that happens, it's game-over for BD.



Steve W

Listen Pecker-
The opposite would be true (in fact more likely if they are looking at this holiday to make a choice) if Warner went BD

Listen Pecker-
The opposite would be true (in fact more likely if they are looking at this holiday to make a choice) if Warner went BD


Yes, but just stop and think for a minute.

Given the choice, why would Warner want the more expensive, technically difficult, and unfinished BD to win?

If Warner think they can win the war one way or the other by going exclusive, then they'd certainly want to go HD DVD exclusive, not BD.

Furthermore, if both formats die, Warner will not make money from them.

Surely it's in Warner's interest to try to ensure that the format most likely to survive is the one that wins. And by definition, that means the cheaper option.

We've recently had a report published that says the format war isn't putting anyone off buying high def - but that they don't feel they need it, and it's too expensive.

If that's true, the only way either format will win, is if it gets to be as cheap (or pretty close) to current DVD prices. If that doesn't happen, high def won't survive, and Warner will make no money from it.

Which format is most likely to get to (or to get near) current DVD prices first? Obviously HD DVD.

Steve W

I guess you didn't get the memo regarding BD's incomplete unfinalized specs. Its inability to access the entire BR disc content and lack of comparable HDI/IME feature, reduced replication capacity and high cost. All of which renders it effectively not ready for prime time as the next level of mainstream optical media.

Yes, but just stop and think for a minute.Steve W
Agreed, who already has the majority of players sold? Who has enough bandwidth and space to give Excellent video and audio? Who has a better track record for PCM/Lossless audio?(see my sig)

Furthermore, if both formats die, Warner will not make money from them.

Surely it's in Warner's interest to try to ensure that the format most likely to survive is the one that wins.Steve W

True, see my above reasons why this would be Blu-Ray.

Yeah combo discs are a great example of this.:rolleyes:

So out of the 100,000 300 combo's . . . how many are bad? I want an actual number with a link to the number . . . . if you can.:rolleyes:

Talk about unfinished specs....:rolleyes:

Me, I would gladly take an unfinished spec 51G HD DVD that is being tested, and that I do not have to pay for before release; over a $1200 BD player that is unfinished. :p:D

Agreed, who already has the majority of players sold? Who has enough bandwidth and space to give Excellent video and audio? Who has a better track record for PCM/Lossless audio?(see my sig)



True, see my above reasons why this would be Blu-Ray.

You wanna bet that Warner will NOT go BD exclusive ? It's too little too late. (IMO) :D

So out of the 100,000 300 combo's . . . how many are bad? I want an actual number with a link to the number . . . . if you can.:rolleyes:
You pull that from one single movie? That's classic Lee Stewart right there folks!:rolleyes:

You pull that from one single movie? That's classic Lee Stewart right there folks!:rolleyes:

I asked you a question . . Answer it!

WB is going to stay neutral until CES 2008 when they will evaluate how the formats have done for Q4.

The studios know that they can't go into the mass market with two formats. J6P WILL NOT buy 2 players and the price of DF players is WAY out of his reach and not to come down anytime soon.

Everyone wants to see how the masses react to low priced players and high priced movies. If a bunch of players are sold by HD DVD there will be side changes. If the public shuns HDM then both formats are in trouble and will remain niche until they are replaced with something else.

Funny he left no scenario where Blu-Ray wins?? Only the if HD DVD Sells a ton of players they win if not it will go on because no one is going to buy a Blu Ray player this x-mas huh..... :-( Keep holding on to that with all the grip you have.

Splitting special feature on a second disk is not a bad thing, and that's not HD DVD gas coming out.

In my horror forum twice members have said "Why should I buy the HD DVD version, when the SD DVD version is a two-disk special edition?" They never even bothered to consider these features were also there on the single disk HD DVD.

The "Two disk special edition" has become a somewhat ingrained symbol of quality to the consumer, and I doubt half of them ever even pop disk 2 in the player.

Yeah but when everyone is championing the cost of the disc and profit margins and stuff I will bet 1 BD 50 cost less than 2 Hd 30's?

Oh, right...if it were Fox it would have no features, lossless audio that can't be decoded by any player, and be relegated to a 25GB single-layered disc for $40! :eek:

...and its release on BR would be delayed or cancelled!!! LOL

And mediocre PQ.

No, I have both Troy and Troy DC and Troy DC looks better than the original release. My guess is you are basing your assumption of the screen shot of the Blu-Boys uncalibrated TV

Wow, I think this is officially the most fanboy filled, waste of time thread ever on AVS... and there have been plenty of good ones in the past...

I don't care if your "neutral" or not, what your saying makes perfect sense to me, and I hope eventually to Warner. You don't have to humble yourself when your solution is this viable. It's politics, not quality that's that's crimping the HDM hose right now, and that's bullsh!t. HD DVD is affordable and ready, all it needs is more software support to get people buying.

Were not going to get 100% studio nuetrality, which again IMO would give the prize to HD DVD, so this would be my second choice for getting things out of the 3% realm fast.

First of all, if anyone believes Warner going exlusive would result in them losing half of their sales is wrong. There would be a slight blip lasting a few months (3 at tops) and then they would notice their units sold right back to where they were as more people would eventually be forced to switch or be stuck with Sony pictures and Fox titles whenever they decide to release them. The studios know they are the key player in the game... they are just waiting for the right signals to do the switch. Primary one will be selling a lot of razors over the holidays (players). Then comes the blades.

The studios can swing the market any way the so please. Right now they are trying to decide (or have decided) which format THEY want to have going into the future. Warner still hasn't decided. Paramount has. Universal has. Dreamworks has. Fox has. Disney has.

Whomever has the most titles at the end of the day exclusively on one format will prove the winner. They want to see what both sides "got" over Q4 and then decide.

Anyone that thinks the 1.5:1 or even 2:1 ratio is a direct corelation to the number of willing purchasers in the market is also wrong. A look at any retail store will see the bias towards Bluray in number of titles/discs -- a bias caused by a "near victory" with the launch of PS3. Basically, HD-DVD owners are starved for content. This is why catalog titles are competing BD new releases. People are buying movies they don't really even want because they want SOMETHING in HD.

Retailers are slowly realizing this. They put out 10 copies of 50 titles on BD and 5 copies of 25 titles on HD-DVD. At the end of the day, 75% of the HD-DVD titles are sold (let's say 90 sales) vs. 40% of the BD titles sold (let's say 200 sales). Doesn't this equate to a little over 2:1 in total unit sales?

At the same time doesn't it equate to a little over 1.5:1 in terms of DEMAND for HD-DVD?

I asked you a question . . Answer it!

Lee have a Coke and a smile.:rolleyes:
The anger is strong with this one.:mad::p:mad:

How in the world would I know how many 300 BD combos were screwy?
Combo discs have had so many issues that are documented that it's insane. No I won't give you a link do your own research (many many are are to be found by doing a simple search.)

Relax your FUDDing for just a little while.:D

First of all, if anyone believes Warner going exlusive would result in them losing half of their sales is wrong. There would be a slight blip lasting a few months (3 at tops) and then they would notice their units sold right back to where they were as more people would eventually be forced to switch

I agree, if Warner goes exclusive to blu-ray, everybody with HD DVD drives will pretty much be forced to pick up a blu-ray player, which should spell the end of HD DVD for good. I'm a bit surprised Warner didn't make the move before the holidays, but it should be a fairly easy decision for them come Q1/2008.

I agree, if Warner goes exclusive to blu-ray, everybody with HD DVD drives will pretty much be forced to pick up a blu-ray player, which should spell the end of HD DVD for good. I'm a bit surprised Warner didn't make the move before the holidays, but it should be a fairly easy decision for them come Q1/2008.

I agree. If Warner goes exlusive Blu-ray, I see it as leading to the eventual demise of HD-DVD.

I also agree that if Warner goes exlcusive HD-DVD (which appears more likely given their excitement over HDi and the capabilities with Interactivity leading to after-the-movie sale sales) that it would spell the death blow for the PS3 format that "couldn't".

I agree. If Warner goes exlusive Blu-ray, I see it as leading to the eventual demise of HD-DVD.

I also agree that if Warner goes exlcusive HD-DVD (which appears more likely given their excitement over HDi and the capabilities with Interactivity leading to after-the-movie sale sales) that it would spell the death blow for the PS3 format that "couldn't".

My owner worry of Warner dropping BD would be that I might not be able to recoup my cost for the PS3 player I own.

I think Warner will be neutral for a little bit more. Most movies I own are from Warner. If they choose one format to be exclusive I think that format will win the format war, but still price will dictate if the format that wins is really going to replace the DVD.

Can you let me know which movies I can get on a 51 disc? I want to personally observe the quality differences possible using those discs.

Can you let me know when then bandwidth has made a single difference between the two formats... mkaaayyy.

No, I have both Troy and Troy DC and Troy DC looks better than the original release. My guess is you are basing your assumption of the screen shot of the Blu-Boys uncalibrated TV

True. :)

Originally Posted by MichaelHDDVD
No, I have both Troy and Troy DC and Troy DC looks better than the original release. My guess is you are basing your assumption of the screen shot of the Blu-Boys uncalibrated TV

Not doubting of its quality just pointing out that one can be better than another and still not look that great in general. Kind of like V for Vendetta on live looks better than the DVD version but not as good as the HD DVD version. I have yet to watch Troy's DC as I haven't decided if I want to drop $25 for it and may just wait for it to go budget.

Lee have a Coke and a smile.:rolleyes:
The anger is strong with this one.:mad::p:mad:

Maybe he's just fed up with unsubstantiated, generalized BS clouding the facts that HD DVD is complete and ready to go mass market and Blu-ray continues to delay and stall and non-replicate and non 1.1 and non 2.0 and with no end in sight, and just the fact they have managed to keep studios exclusive is the only reason that BD exists and that there is a format war at all. .. But that is only a guess. It's not like I can read his mind or anything.

It's already game over for BD... they can't win this with the prices they have now. History has shown REPEATEDLY that price wins out. J6P doesn't care about bandwidth, a 50 or 51gig disks... what they want is reasonable quality at a low price and HD DVD is much further ahead on that then BD is. In fact one has to wonder if the BD price is going to go UP and not down once they start including the proper hardware for 1.1 compliance... HD DVD already has this.

But more to the point... sooner or later all the studios will go neutral for the mere reason that exclusivity costs money.... and businesses don't like losing it. Once that happens BD will have lost the only SERIOUS J6P advantage it has... and that's movie studios.

But with BD still pumping out machines with $1300 and $2000 price tags... they still don't seem to get it.

This may come as a shock to some of you, but J6P doesn't doesn't care about HDM yet.

Yes, price was the factor for Beta's demise, but consumers were desperate to watch movies at home and quickly made their decision to go VHS.

Currently, the masses are enjoying movies on DVD and have no interest in HD movies.

By the time they come around (who knows, maybe in 2 years), the price differences between HD DVD and Blu-ray will be negligible.

Warner needs to go exclusive now. I don't care who they go to. I would prefer it be HD DVD since that is what I own, but honestly, this war is going nowhere fast. While Warner keeps saying "let the consumer decide" it is simply too evenly split right now, and not enough people are buying in for there to be a "decision." Warner has the power to end the war all by themselves. Warner exclusivity to one side or the other would finally mean an end to this nonsense, and the tired bickering in this community which will likely continue for another year unless Warner picks a side.

Do it Warner! Pick a Side now! You're only delaying adoption and costing yourself money! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If Warner went Blu-ray exclusive, it better come the same day as a $299 Blu-ray 1.1 player, or the entire format war will lose some of us average consumers. I went HD DVD because of the price of the add-on. No way in hell I am paying $499 for a movie player. It's just not happening.

If Warner goes BD, I bow out.

Maybe he's just fed up with unsubstantiated, generalized BS clouding the facts that HD DVD is complete and ready to go mass market and Blu-ray continues to delay and stall and non-replicate and non 1.1 and non 2.0 and with no end in sight, and just the fact they have managed to keep studios exclusive is the only reason that BD exists and that there is a format war at all. .. But that is only a guess. It's not like I can read his mind or anything.

Unsubstantiated? Why don't you go back to your red zone and read the countless complaints and people begging the Studios to stop making combos.

If Warner went Blu-ray exclusive, it better come the same day as a $299 Blu-ray 1.1 player, or the entire format war will lose some of us average consumers. I went HD DVD because of the price of the add-on. No way in hell I am paying $499 for a movie player. It's just not happening.

If Warner goes BD, I bow out.

never thought i say this, but i agree with Michael Mullis here. there needs to be a $399 1.1 blu-ray player and soon, and this player needs to do 5.1 truehd instead of 2.0 also. if the s300 can be upgraded to do truehd 5.1 it would be a good entry player. sony cant expect to win this war while ps3 is still not only the most advanced player but also the cheapest at $499.

$299 might be pushing it a bit, unless they release the player to be 720p/1080i. i also recently read that the a20/a30 isnt natively 1080p and is basically the a2/a3 with an upcoverter that goes to 1080p. if this is the case the current prices on bd players arent so bad versus the xa series. bd ce manufacturers might consider releasing a few low-end versions too just to meet the lower price range.

there have been some rumors also of a 40gb $399 ps3, if they can do this i dont see why they can't release a cheaper blu-ray player.

Warner needs to go exclusive now. I don't care who they go to. I would prefer it be HD DVD since that is what I own, but honestly, this war is going nowhere fast. While Warner keeps saying "let the consumer decide" it is simply too evenly split right now, and not enough people are buying in for there to be a "decision." Warner has the power to end the war all by themselves. Warner exclusivity to one side or the other would finally mean an end to this nonsense, and the tired bickering in this community which will likely continue for another year unless Warner picks a side.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Warner has the power. I'll go with whatever decision they make (although I also would prefer HD DVD).

My owner worry of Warner dropping BD would be that I might not be able to recoup my cost for the PS3 player I own.

Your machine does more than play movies. That will keep the resale value above a standalone.

My gut is that Warner has decided, and is going HD DVD. The reason they will wait until post-holiday 08 is, to have their convictions confirmed, and to put some distance from the Paramount decision. I think that unlike Paramount they will honor their immediate BD release schedule before calling it quits.

I also believe the sales ratio is only a small portion of what will have compelled them. Warner will see HD DVD pricing and readiness as two major factors in keeping HDM alive and expanding along with their share in patents.

IMO Warner knows dam well that they are calling the shots, and will not let this matter go undecided while they still have that power to dictate the outcome.

If I'm wrong about this, so be it, but that's what I think is gonna go down.

You want Warner to stay neutral? Not me. I hope Warner goes HD DVD exclusive...and SOON! I look forward to the news that would only be trumped by Paramount's decision (since they made the move first). I hope that Paramount's move to drop Blu-ray has opened the door for Warner. The sooner Warner drops Blu-ray, the sooner that the public will buy HD DVD and move next-generation media to the next level (mass adoption).

If Warner goes BD, I bow out.Ta-Ta

Ta-Ta

Picture my middle finger. ;)

Yeah but when everyone is championing the cost of the disc and profit margins and stuff I will bet 1 BD 50 cost less than 2 Hd 30's?

No, by numbers we see now..one BD50 is pretty much about the price of 2 HD30s and that's being kind knowing replication problems with BD50.

Picture my middle finger. ;)OK, I'm picturing it as covered in some brownish/redish substance. Could it be ....? It appears to the same color as the containers for HD-DVDs. I wonder if it can be cleaned off? Well, again ... Ta-Ta!

OK, I'm picturing it as covered in some brownish/redish substance. Could it be ....? It appears to the same color as the containers for HD-DVDs. I wonder if it can be cleaned off? Well, again ... Ta-Ta!

Very weak response. But expected from those who think Blu-ray will survive with out the average buyer. Good luck with that.

BTW what you're picturing is exactly what people like you are shoveling.

Ta-Ta

You never know. I wouldn't hold my breath. But who knows? Look at Paramount. The BD guys were insinuating that they would go blu based on a paid consultant remarks (from Paramount) last spring. Check postings from spring on the BD forums and HD DVD forums. Warner going blu? A possibility, but they don't seem to be going in that direction. Unless (gasp) the BDA gave them a LOT of money.

Thought that folks might find this interesting..........you decide, i like both sides and own neither format.


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