I want AVS back.

We are more than a year and a half into HD disc releases and I think it's time to stop focusing on the two formats and start focusing on the movies that are being released on these formats and the players being manufactured to play them.

Frankly, I'm weary of the constant format related BS. It accomplishes nothing except creating a divide amongst forum members. Corporations will make whatever decisions they make based on whatever it is that motivates them. We will live with that and that's all there is to it. End of story.

Whataya think?

Unfortunately for the content I desire, apparently HDM has to be doing better than it is now.

Sadly as long as there are two competing formats and flip flopping studio support there will ALWAYS be in-fighting here and at all other hard-core forums.

There are too many lobbyists in this forum now to stop the propaganda from both sides.

To discuss disc content, it's best to go to the respective forum(HD DVD or Blu-ray software) and make comments in there.

Unfortunately there are far to many posters here who are determined to promote their own format choice whenever they can and many of them seem to post incessantly. I want the old AVS back too but I am losing all optimism that it will happen.

I want AVS back.

We are more than a year and a half into HD disc releases and I think it's time to stop focusing on the two formats and start focusing on the movies that are being released on these formats and the players being manufactured to play them.

Frankly, I'm weary of the constant format related BS. It accomplishes nothing except creating a divide amongst forum members. Corporations will make whatever decisions they make based on whatever it is that motivates them. We will live with that and that's all there is to it. End of story.

Whataya think?

Likely won't happen. People love to argue and the internet gives them an annonimity so they can really lash out. Some of the things stated by either side of the fence make zero sense to anyone but the format zealots. They even intrude into format spaces for one format or another talking about the evils of bd+, Sony, Lossless vs DD+. Its just these ridiculous blanket statements that take away from an objective review of the equipment and titles. Its better when someone says hey pick up this title or have you tried running it at this resolution. You can't go more than a couple entries in until someone has to chimme in well thats because your format blows.

Sadly as long as there are two competing formats and flip flopping studio support there will ALWAYS be in-fighting here and at all other hard-core forums.

I would change your statement to "as long as there are two competing formats and exclusive studio support there will ALWAYS be in-fighting". There should never have been ANY exclusive studio support. The battle should have been decided strictly on the consumer selecting the best product at the best price as they perceived it.

Unfortunately there are far to many posters here who are determined to promote their own format choice whenever they can and many of them seem to post incessantly. I want the old AVS back too but I am losing all optimism that it will happen.

Ditto. Thankfully maturity and rationale discussion can still be found in the....video game forums. :eek:

I would have never thought gamers would show more class and pinache (fancy word!) than home theater guys, but that's pretty much the case thesedays.

The time is now.

If people want HD on disc to be available, they need to start putting aside the arguments and just buy what they like. Buy the hardware you like and the software you like.

Be excited about what is available. Show support for HD on disc.

Enjoy the movies.

As for the content, well we can't do anything about making it come faster. I'm sure many of us would love Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Dark City as of yesterday on the format we own but that just isn't how it is.

Ditto. Thankfully maturity and rationale discussion can still be found in the....video game forums. :eek:

I would have never thought gamers would show more class and pinache (fancy word!) than home theater guys, but that's pretty much the case thesedays.

+1

Likely won't happen. People love to argue and the internet gives them an annonimity so they can really lash out. Some of the things stated by either side of the fence make zero sense to anyone but the format zealots. They even intrude into format spaces for one format or another talking about the evils of bd+, Sony, Lossless vs DD+. Its just these ridiculous blanket statements that take away from an objective review of the equipment and titles. Its better when someone says hey pick up this title or have you tried running it at this resolution. You can't go more than a couple entries in until someone has to chimme in well thats because your format blows.

+

I seem to remember a song aobut this.
Dream, dream, dream, dream, dream.

Where I would like to see it.

when dual format players are wide spread. at this point when not all content are accessible unless you have 2 players or an overprice non-fully functional df player, you can't really expect the focus to be just content.

I am relatively new to AVS and tend to read a lot without much to post or say, but I just had to say this is the best post I've read in a quite a while. I must say the constant back and forth seems to be getting so bad that I as a newcomer have stopped pouring over the threads as much as I did in the beginning. For you old timers out there I can only imagine what a great resource this must have been "back in the day."

I want AVS back.

We are more than a year and a half into HD disc releases and I think it's time to stop focusing on the two formats and start focusing on the movies that are being released on these formats and the players being manufactured to play them.

Frankly, I'm weary of the constant format related BS. It accomplishes nothing except creating a divide amongst forum members. Corporations will make whatever decisions they make based on whatever it is that motivates them. We will live with that and that's all there is to it. End of story.

Whataya think? There great threads on those subjects in each of the five sister forums here in the AVS Blu-ray & HD DVD Area

The hardware threads in particular are tough to complain about when their are mostly owners talking about things among themselves

The format war BS will naturally die down as time goes on and more consumer adoption comes into play.

Already things have died down from the more emotional posters since the Viacom decision has made it clear that both formats will survive now for a while.

"Patience is the virtue of kings."

Back to the movies

Harry Potter 1 through 5 are gonna rock.

Back to the movies

Harry Potter 1 through 5 are gonna rock.

glad i never got into the series, would not be able to afford all the titles coming by end of the year, and i'm not even dual format.

I want AVS back.

We are more than a year and a half into HD disc releases and I think it's time to stop focusing on the two formats and start focusing on the movies that are being released on these formats and the players being manufactured to play them.

Frankly, I'm weary of the constant format related BS. It accomplishes nothing except creating a divide amongst forum members. Corporations will make whatever decisions they make based on whatever it is that motivates them. We will live with that and that's all there is to it. End of story.

Whataya think?

If you want AVS back . . don't come to this forum - that's all you have to do. Stay away from the HDSM Forum.

Because as long as there are two competing formats - things will NOT change here at the HDSM Forum. No plea or cry will make it happen.

more specifically ....The HDTV Software Media Discussion..., ie. this forum is by default (and by design) the neutral ground part of the HD DVD and Blu-ray Areas where format comparisons and general discussion common to both formats or the HD format war are discussed.

Last year, I recommended the forum split into the separate hardware and software areas for both formats, and the dual format hardware area was added later. The only reason this forum stayed the same title was for continuity and vBulletin limitations for archive searches.

If you want AVS back . . don't come to this forum - that's all you have to do. Stay away from the HDSM Forum.

Because as long as there are two competing formats - things will NOT change here at the HDSM Forum. No plea or cry will make it happen.

hey that's what i said.

AVS is a forum strictly for HD-DVD fanatics. That is clear. HD-DVD fanatics infect BD-based threads and make degrading comments regarding BD at every turn. I have yet to see any thread related to BD in this so-called neutral territory not turned into a thread about how BD is going to lose.

I want AVS back.

We are more than a year and a half into HD disc releases and I think it's time to stop focusing on the two formats and start focusing on the movies that are being released on these formats and the players being manufactured to play them.

Frankly, I'm weary of the constant format related BS. It accomplishes nothing except creating a divide amongst forum members. Corporations will make whatever decisions they make based on whatever it is that motivates them. We will live with that and that's all there is to it. End of story.

Whataya think?

Once the format that can deliver the highest audio and video quality wins. At the moment, it is Blu-Ray..

I want AVS back.

We are more than a year and a half into HD disc releases and I think it's time to stop focusing on the two formats and start focusing on the movies that are being released on these formats and the players being manufactured to play them.

Frankly, I'm weary of the constant format related BS. It accomplishes nothing except creating a divide amongst forum members. Corporations will make whatever decisions they make based on whatever it is that motivates them. We will live with that and that's all there is to it. End of story.

Whataya think?

You may say I'm a dreamer....But I'm not the only one....

Well personally speaking I would have no interest at all in this format war if all the content I wanted was available on Blu-ray. As long as this format war lasts though that is unlikely to happen and as such the format war is an issue to me and to many other posters on this forum as well. I think though the issue of proper behavior is the real the problem since some posters take this format war way to seriously.

Ditto. Thankfully maturity and rationale discussion can still be found in the....video game forums. :eek:

I would have never thought gamers would show more class and pinache (fancy word!) than home theater guys, but that's pretty much the case thesedays.


m -

JFYI, that's "panache".

Once the format that can deliver the highest audio and video quality wins. At the moment, it is Blu-Ray..


Wow, he cant even stay on topic.

AVS is a forum strictly for HD-DVD fanatics. That is clear. HD-DVD fanatics infect BD-based threads and make degrading comments regarding BD at every turn. I have yet to see any thread related to BD in this so-called neutral territory not turned into a thread about how BD is going to lose.

Get real, your post here contributes to the problem. You are WRONG!! It cuts both ways for BOTH formats. Again, you just showed your true color and contributed to the OP concerns. Happy??

AVS is a forum strictly for HD-DVD fanatics. That is clear. HD-DVD fanatics infect BD-based threads and make degrading comments regarding BD at every turn. I have yet to see any thread related to BD in this so-called neutral territory not turned into a thread about how BD is going to lose. hmmm...not like there are not Blu-ray fanatics here too......:rolleyes:

But about the neutral territory intention of the HDSM forum that this thread is in.

I was thinking "neutral territory" not so much as in having no conflict but more along the lines of no side owns it and its an area that is being openly contested.

Think " no mans land " between the trench lines in WWI more than "neutral Switzerland" ;)

There is a format war going on you know...... :D

Seriously, being someone whose followed this stuff for years now, AVS seems to me on this subject area is actually less fanboish and emotionally involved than it has been in the past few years.

The other areas of AVS just keep humming along but evn they have their own little battles.

This one just is a lot more active and prominent and emotional.

But this too shall pass.

I hope so soon for the mods sake. :)

I would change your statement to "as long as there are two competing formats and exclusive studio support there will ALWAYS be in-fighting". There should never have been ANY exclusive studio support. The battle should have been decided strictly on the consumer selecting the best product at the best price as they perceived it.

+1

Unfortunately the respective companies opted to make studio support a feature which is ridiculous. Maybe they can't face up to the fact that their format wouldn't stand if it weren't for the exclusivity.

Many of us who are in it for content, have owned both formats since their inception.

I can't imagine owning one format and then seeing the eclusives come and go on the opposite format and not being able to play them...

When do we stop focusing on formats and start focusing on content?

When there is one HD format.

One format to rule them all, One format to find them, One format to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

...or when dual format players rule the world.... :D

I'd love to talk about content. I'm only concerned about format when an attribute of either format becomes an obstacle to enjoying the content.

Im all for JUST worrying about content. Thats why I am neutral and get everything available in HD that is out there. The best way to do this is:

Stand alone player for HD DVD, PS3 for Blu-ray. I have the A2, BTW.

This covers you and the PS3 does so much more on top of being the best BD player. No brainer.....

:)

Maybe some day Robert...
Exhibit A:
Once the format that can deliver the highest audio and video quality wins. At the moment, it is Blu-Ray..

Exhibit B:
AVS is a forum strictly for HD-DVD fanatics. That is clear. HD-DVD fanatics infect BD-based threads and make degrading comments regarding BD at every turn. I have yet to see any thread related to BD in this so-called neutral territory not turned into a thread about how BD is going to lose.

But not today.

I just wish that someone would wipe out either Toshiba or Sony (I personally don't care which) and let us get on with enjoying the remaining HD format.

Maybe some day Robert...

But not today.

No kidding. Some of the responses in this thread are just so disappointing. Not because they are stupid. I expect that. But because they are ALLOWED to stay here. That's the problem here as I see it. People are always going to be people. That means all kinds. The internet is full of all kinds of people. That doesn't mean you have to allow them all to be a part of a community like this.

When there is a clear winner.

I expect that. But because they are ALLOWED to stay here. That's the problem here as I see it. People are always going to be people. That means all kinds. The internet is full of all kinds of people. That doesn't mean you have to allow them all to be a part of a community like this.

So who would be the ultimate judge of who gets to stay or get booted? How many stoopid comments can you make before getting banned? :confused:

Im just wondering because this is hard to police..... we are all different and see things differently. I guess the best defense is to just ignore the posts that dont add anything or posts that upset you. A post that bothers you or I might make someone elses day. Its too subjective, IMO.

Just saying.....

No sh!t. Some of the responses in this thread are just so disappointing. Not because they are stupid. I expect that. But because they are ALLOWED to stay here. That's the problem here as I see it. People are always going to be people. That means all kinds. The internet is full of all kinds of people. That doesn't mean you have to allow them all to be a part of a community like this.

You started this thread. What were you expecting? You posed a question that most are answering. Of course you will ALWAYS find the Format Zealots and their diatribe. That comes with EVERY thread.

And of course as the OP you should be at least trying to keep the thread on topic. But you too sink to the level of the afore mentioned. And this is acceptable to you?

:confused:

been focusing on content for a long time as a HDM fan not a format fanboy

been disappointed with both formats

as the sig says.......

You started this thread. What were you expecting?

I expected about what I got. Being the eternal optimist, I HOPED for better.

So who would be the ultimate judge of who gets to stay or get booted?

Obviously, that would be the moderators. A forum like AVS that focuses on a specific area of interest (audio and video in this case) establishes itself with a particular level of discourse and should enforce that in order to maintain an environment that promotes the goals of the community. Much of the format related arguement in these subforums does not promote a positive experience for the majority of the members. There is nothing positive about it at all. It is just a bunch of immature people in a pissing contest. That has no place on a forum like this and should not be allowed. Anyone emotionally invested in a format is completely missing the point.

There are a number of other forums for audio and video equipment, including:
AVGuide Forum (http://forums.avguide.com/)
Audioholics Home Theater Forums (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/)
CNET Home audio & video forum (http://forums.cnet.com/5204-7596_102-0.html?forumID=60&tag=forum.fd)
SMR Forums (http://www.smr-forums.com/)
Audio Review's Forums (http://forums.audioreview.com/)

... and others. Perhaps one of those would be more to your liking?

There are a number of other forums for audio and video equipment, including:
AVGuide Forum (http://forums.avguide.com/)
Audioholics Home Theater Forums (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/)
CNET Home audio & video forum (http://forums.cnet.com/5204-7596_102-0.html?forumID=60&tag=forum.fd)
SMR Forums (http://www.smr-forums.com/)
Audio Review's Forums (http://forums.audioreview.com/)

... and others. Perhaps one of those would be more to your liking?


or blu-ray.com.


I just love it. blu-ray will win because people only buy match sets (TV/DVD player). Since Toshiba is only 1 of the big 5 TV manufacturers, they will only have 20% of the HDM market. :D O.K. That's grasping at straws.

It's sad that so many of the posts in this thread basically say why even bother trying. And what's up with claiming that Robert is sinking to the level of the zealots? He has been a level-headed member for years whose presence doesn't seem nearly as prominent anymore due to all the format war noise.

The point is that we all have a number of options. We can complain to the moderators about specific posts or posters, we can put posters whose posts we don't like on our "ignore list", we can stay away from threads where the discussion is inflammatory (and we all know which ones those are), or we can move on to other forums.

I agree that many threads, especially those that tend to attract posters who are passionate about the subject, can devolve to the point of virtual uselessness. But I think that the moderators have done a pretty good job keeping everything civil without overreacting. My thinking is that there are plenty of other options and if a person can't live with the way these forums are managed, they can vote with their feet.

AVS is a forum strictly for HD-DVD fanatics. That is clear. HD-DVD fanatics infect BD-based threads and make degrading comments regarding BD at every turn. I have yet to see any thread related to BD in this so-called neutral territory not turned into a thread about how BD is going to lose.

I guess you don't look at too many threads. :rolleyes:

There are plenty of fanbois on both sides of the format war.

Edit: After looking at a few of your posts, it appears that you are firmly on the side of the BD fanbois.

I want AVS back.
Outside of this particular forum, AVS is still in tact. As a matter of fact, posters that I readily find childish is this forum have worthwhile contributions when talking about speakers, multi-channel audio, projectors, etc. Stick to the subforums and you'll at least avoid a lot of the petty arguments.

Perhaps one of those would be more to your liking?

So, to put it another way, you have a nice, pleasant suburban neighborhood with caring neighbors and an environment that allows childgren to play outside after dark and people can sleep at night without bars on their windows. A bunch of drug dealers set up a crackhouse on the corner that draws, well, unpleasant sorts of people. Everybody else should just move?

I don't think so.

No kidding. Some of the responses in this thread are just so disappointing. Not because they are stupid. I expect that. But because they are ALLOWED to stay here. That's the problem here as I see it. People are always going to be people. That means all kinds. The internet is full of all kinds of people. That doesn't mean you have to allow them all to be a part of a community like this.
I certainly think there should be PLENTY of accts banned. Way too many posters here whose only purpose is to be a format cheerleader and offer 0 informative discussion. They should be banned. When garbage piles up, you empty the trash.

I guess you don't look at too many threads. :rolleyes:

There are plenty of fanbois on both sides of the format war.

Edit: After looking at a few of your posts, it appears that you are firmly on the side of the BD fanbois.

Au Contraire. I am on the side of what I see is a truly neutral stance. HTF and Ron over there has taken the correct approach. AVS has not because what I have seen is an overabundance of HD-DVD fans turning threads (such as the one re: Forrester mentioning 18 months of further format war) into what they think is a bias toward BD.

So, to put it another way, you have a nice, pleasant suburban neighborhood with caring neighbors and an environment that allows childgren to play outside after dark and people can sleep at night without bars on their windows. A bunch of drug dealers set up a crackhouse on the corner that draws, well, unpleasant sorts of people. Everybody else should just move?

I don't think so.

I haven't seen the nice, pleasant neighborhood as you describe since before last January (and believe me, I've been mostly just watching the threads).

So, to put it another way, you have a nice, pleasant suburban neighborhood with caring neighbors and an environment that allows childgren to play outside after dark and people can sleep at night without bars on their windows. A bunch of drug dealers set up a crackhouse on the corner that draws, well, unpleasant sorts of people. Everybody else should just move?

I don't think so.It's not the same. Do you live and raise children here?

It's like saying that you don't like the people who hang around in a certain bar. But there are plenty of other bars in town. What do you do - rant about the bar to the patrons or go to a different bar?

Think what you like, my point is that this site is for entertainment and maybe education, it is not a necessity like food and housing. You certainly have the right to expect your neighborhood to be safe. You can't expect a forum website to be free from controversy.

You do have many options, even within these forums, where the discussions are level-headed and noncontroversial. But whenever you start a thread like this, you should expect petty bickering and even downright rudeness. I can see by the number of posts that you have been around here long enough to have seen what happens in these threads. I fail to understand why you would think that this one would be any different.

I think it is all entertaining. People can get really vehement when someone calls their decisions into question. It can be the same with any polarized subject. Look at sports, for instance. At least we don't have a bunch of hooligans beating up on the other team's fans (although you never know :rolleyes:).

I would bet the same thing would have happened when the VHS vs. Beta war was going on if there was an internet. It probably would have been juicy! :D

I think it is all entertaining.

So, in closing, friends, it is axiomatic that there are two kinds of people. Those that are part of the problem, and those that are part of the solution.

This thread very clearly illustrates who is which.

So, in closing, friends, it is axiomatic that there are two kinds of people. Those that are part of the problem, and those that are part of the solution.

This thread very clearly illustrates who is which.

"Are you not entertained?!!" :D

Btw, I work in consulting:

http://www.permanentinnovation.com/blog/uploaded_images/consulting-724553.jpg

AVS is a forum strictly for HD-DVD fanatics. That is clear. HD-DVD fanatics infect BD-based threads and make degrading comments regarding BD at every turn. I have yet to see any thread related to BD in this so-called neutral territory not turned into a thread about how BD is going to lose.

What's a shame is that you probably read the OP. But in your own way you answered his question.

How about the forum Mods/Admins do this.
Tag BR, BLuray HD DVD ect... as curse words.

replace them with positive imagery. So when someone types "HD DVD FOR EVER NO WAIT I MEAN BLU RAY FOREVER"

it will read : "FURRY BUTTERCUPS FOREVER NO WAIT I MEAN NARCOLEPTIC PUPPIES FOREVER".


I think it could really help.

I think content is kind of a gimic, but when you think of the nintendo wii it's gimmic all the way and you still have a hard time of finding those. I think content is sorta the same and might eventually die off just like the wii will unless they stop producing such gimmicky crap.