Not sure if this has been posted, but it seems like Amazon.com's High-Def 101 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/16401621/901-2958092-9363244) page is slanted towards HD DVD judging from the FAQs, which is a good thing considering the feature-complete nature and steadily increasing momentum of HD DVD. Of course, at the bottom of the page some folks from Blu-ray.com are putting in their three cents worth and trying to make Blu-ray sound better than it really is, but considering the staggering sales of HD DVD players that Amazon.com receives it's no surprise they're shining a nice spotlight on HD DVD.

it's like blu-ray.com hit them all at once. their little gamer-boy attack dogs are all over the place.
My response on amazon to all the blu-ray.com postings:

I see blu-ray.com has "released the hounds."
Honestly, both formats can produce excellent quality HD movies. Less time should be spent bickering, and more time watching movies. Both formats have their advantages and disadvantages:
Blu-Ray: (advantages)
1. higher disc capacity and bandwidth
Blu-Ray: (disadvantages)
1. incomplete specs - some features or discs in the future may not play on current players.

HD DVD: (advantages)
1. More interactive features
2. Completed specs
3. Region free
4. mandatory internet connectivity
5. mandatory audio support of dolby digital plus and dolby truehd
6. combo discs that contain both the hd dvd and dvd movie
HD DVD (disadvantages)
1. smaller disc size and bandwidth (the 51 gb discs have been approved and will outsize the blu-ray's 50gb discs).

But the most important difference between the two is price. HD DVD players have always been at least 1/2 the price of blu-ray players. If you think this isn't important then look at the sales ranking for dvd players on amazon:
Toshiba HD-A2 #1 player among dvd players
Toshiba HD-A20 #4 player
Toshiba HD-XA2 #13 player ranked
.........................
Sony BDP S300 #29 player ranked

What's the "tag=blurayforum-20" at the end? I thought this site doesn't allow those associate tags. Anyway good for Amazon.

got to stop posting over there. I feel like the gladiators of 300 going up against the army of blu-ray.com guys. I can't believe how much FUD they post as fact. It's truly amazing how blind they are to the truth. They're already posting of all sorts of things they're going to do to amazon for putting up what they perceive is a pro HD DVD page.

I posted a few times myself. Sony fans just love to spew misinformation.

I posted a few times myself. Sony fans just love to spew misinformation.

yes, and they team up and pat each other on the back for their facts. facts except for one thing, they're not factual.

Someone said you were calling them names, I didn't see that. I just replied back, very interesting to deal with some of these users. And to say no HD DVD user ever uses facts is completely incorrect. They are just upset about the page. Very touchy group.

yes, saw your reply after I replied. It's humorous in a way. guy got all bent out of shape when I was asked to provide a link to 51gb compatibility with current players. When I did it in two minutes with quotes then they all got pissy.

I couldn't read more than 5 Blu-Ray posts there. I got sick reading all their misinformation and Sony lies such as, "HD-DVD is half the price because it is half as good".

Ugh...

I made a post over on the High-Def 101 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/16401621/901-2958092-9363244) page. I recommend everyone do so to combat all the FUD being posted by Blu-Ray propagandists.

I also took a look over at the Blu-Ray.com forums and there are very heated posts about the Amazon faq. lol! :D
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=17821

Man, the children over at BR.com are absolutely hilarious and frightening at the same time. You know what they remind me of? A group of drunk KKK members..

I made a post over on the High-Def 101 page. I recommend everyone do so to combat all the FUD being posted by Blu-Ray propagandists.

I also took a look over at the Blu-Ray.com forums and there are very heated posts about the Amazon faq. lol! :D
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=17821

Which discussion?

I added a comment as well just to back up the facts that David listed. It is really sad that Blu-bois are so brainwashed by BDA FUD that they spew it out without even thinking if it makes any sense. Of course we are talking about a bunch of 17-year-olds with PS3s plugged into 480i CRTs so to expect more from them is probably unrealistic.

Wow, the BD fud its just amazing. I like how one guys says BD are $20 and HD-DVD combos are $35-40.
He tells the amazon price on a few select BDs and tells the MSRP of HD-DVD.

PCM audio maybe fine. But HD-DVD has lossless as well in the form of true HD.
Their are a equal amount of teir 0 movies on both sides not just BD.
Just amazing.

I couldn't read more than 5 Blu-Ray posts there. I got sick reading all their misinformation and Sony lies such as, "HD-DVD is half the price because it is half as good".

Ugh...

When you consider the misinformation and bashing that Sony and BD group in general have slung towards HD-DVD, what would you expect from their supporters?

IOW, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I do not want to be degrading to Blu-Ray fans, but it does seem that the people who post on Blu-ray.com and even the amazon site are very immature. They do seem to behave more like "Gamerz" and less like educated consumers.

There are some good HD posts though. I don't intend to troll but debate and discuss is fine. Some of them exhibit troll like behavior and aggression, those I ignore.

When you consider the misinformation and bashing that Sony and BD group in general have slung towards HD-DVD, what would you expect from their supporters?

IOW, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Agreed. They sometimes exhibit cult behavior with leaders and followers chanting together, facts and reason be damned, no matter how absurd the pitch. I am beginning to think that with these tactics the BDA doesn't want mass acceptance; they just want to stall the game until they get their product fixed. The problem is that this tactic turns off folks like me who have trouble ignoring the childish rant. There are many mature Blu-ray supporters who I know are a bit ashamed of the illogical noise coming from the playpen. But it is definitely the case that BD spokespersons keep feeding their mob. I used to respect Sony as a company, but the past several years of shenanigans on their part has made me a permanent non-member of their club. For example, how about the new rootkit for the thumbprint-activated Sony USB drive? Speaking of apples falling from the tree, this must be a new genetically modified apple tree that only gives rotten apples. The good news is that no one will "steal" apples from that tree. Of course, no one will eat them either. On the other hand, I find that Toshiba has been a class act in every way, when it comes to their advertising and press releases. I feel very comfortable supporting them at this time. I know that Toshiba is not perfect, but I would rather pick from a healthy orange tree than eat from a rotten apple tree.

I don't think Amazon will be too concerned about the Blu-ray onslaught. After all, what is their number one selling DVD player right now? Amazon doesn't have to take money from Toshiba; they are getting and will continue to get lots of money from sales of HD DVD players. And who do you suppose will sell lots of the Chinese HD DVD players as well?

I do wish the more childish Blu-ray supporters would quiet down. They are like children in an elementary school class who have decided that they will disrupt the class so that no one will be able to learn anything. They don't feel like studying, so they shout down the educators and interested students. It gets so tiring after a while.

definitely the worst part of the format war is the huge ps3 install base of 12-16 year old blubot cultists.

That's the thing their are a lot of good BD users out their but the fanboys far out number them

definitely the worst part of the format war is the huge ps3 install base of 12-16 year old blubot cultists.

Generalize much?

I guess all HDDVD users are cheapskates who don't have enough money to buy a decent Hidef player.

Seriously, look at the sales charts. HDDVD is STILL getting CRUSHED by BD software sales (61-39) even after all the of the supposed 'good' news about the Paramount defection? Exactly when are all the supposed 'hardware' sales going to translate into decent software sales?

Or maybe you should stop sneering at the '12-16 year olds'.

Generalize much?

I guess all HDDVD users are cheapskates who don't have enough money to buy a decent Hidef player.

Seriously, look at the sales charts. HDDVD is STILL getting CRUSHED by BD software sales (61-39) even after all the of the supposed 'good' news about the Paramount defection? Exactly when are all the supposed 'hardware' sales going to translate into decent software sales?

Or maybe you should stop sneering at the '12-16 year olds'.

HD DVD did better than Blu-Ray in total high def sales in the week of Sep. 25th. I think the Parmount/Dreamworks decision is finally shifting sales in HD DVD's favor.

http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp?view=1&userid=99365744096500

Man, the children over at BR.com are absolutely hilarious and frightening at the same time. You know what they remind me of? A group of drunk KKK members..

And yet, you guys create this kind of a thread stooping even further then they are? Some of these threads you guys make it like old ladies during coffee talk(Mike Myers SNL).

For the guy that said look at the sales of dvd players on amazon and showing HD-DVD leads in sales rank. Amazon sells so few players you have no clue. The big sellers like Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. are the ones to look at. If you look at the sales rank of BD software to HD-DVD software on amazon BD continues to hold a lead and has for a LONG time. That is just on amazon. Now go look at retail stores and it is not even close in software sales.

HD DVD did better than Blu-Ray in total high def sales in the week of Sep. 25th. I think the Parmount/Dreamworks decision is finally shifting sales in HD DVD's favor.

http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp?view=1&userid=99365744096500

LOL, this is for DVD empire only....Lets see the total sales numbers at the end of this week as well. Not just from a small site that sells some movies whose numbers will change by the end of the day. LOL!

Superbad > Knocked Up

Superbad > Knocked Up
Transformers > Everything Else.

Transformers > Everything Else.

hmmm....

Simpsons, Spiderman, Die Hard, PoTC? I don't know about that one buddy.

hmmm....

Simpsons, Spiderman, Die Hard, PoTC? I don't know about that one buddy.
Transformers, Inside Man, Bourne Ultimatum, Anchorman, Jack Ryan Collection, Battlestar Galactica, The Kingdom....

I think that Transformers and Ultimatum are bigger than Simpsons, Spiderman, Die Hard and POTC by a mile.

HD DVD did better than Blu-Ray in total high def sales in the week of Sep. 25th. I think the Parmount/Dreamworks decision is finally shifting sales in HD DVD's favor.

Those are not final numbers, they change until they put in the next week, then they are final.

Lets look at the misinformation sent out by Amazon that will not help anyone. They have unpconvers on the HD page. Now how many J6P's do you think will go there and think they are getting good HD by buying one of these pieces of junk.

Generalize much?

I guess all HDDVD users are cheapskates who don't have enough money to buy a decent Hidef player.

Seriously, look at the sales charts. HDDVD is STILL getting CRUSHED by BD software sales (61-39) even after all the of the supposed 'good' news about the Paramount defection? Exactly when are all the supposed 'hardware' sales going to translate into decent software sales?

Or maybe you should stop sneering at the '12-16 year olds'.

Looks like mcgarnagle has recovered from that kick he took to his digital bits after he wrongly chastised everyone for talking about the then-impending delay of Master and Commander. ;)

Welcome back. :)

But you really ought to consider more facts before you post. The Nielsen numbers for the last three weeks do not back you up. HD DVD is not getting "CRUSHED" 61-39. The numbers for the last three weeks have been 56-44, 60-40, and 61-39. So, "CRUSHED" is not quite the word you should be groping for. In fact, even if the last three weeks had been 61:39, you would be hard pressed to say that HD DVD was getting CRUSHED. That's a sales ratio of about 1.5:1. (That 2:1 ratio seems to have disappeared!)

Ouch! That's gotta hurt the BDA when they consider that there are over a million Blu-ray players in US homes!

Transformers, Inside Man, Bourne Ultimatum, Anchorman, Jack Ryan Collection, Battlestar Galactica, The Kingdom....

I think that Transformers and Ultimatum are bigger than Simpsons, Spiderman, Die Hard and POTC by a mile.

Box Office ticket sales disagree with you.

Ouch! That's gotta hurt the BDA when they consider that there are over a million Blu-ray players in US homes!Careful....you meant over a million Blu-ray capable players! :D

Wow, the Blu-ray.com hit parade are out of control on Amazon. Don't these guys have anything better to do with themselves. The amount of FUD they are spreading is just unbelievable.:rolleyes:

They can't play Halo 3 or watch Transformers. There aren't any other good games for their PS3's and they know their format is slowly dying, so who can blame them for reacting like angry spoiled brats.

wow that was worse than a wikipedia page!

Box Office ticket sales disagree with you.

Exactly....

2007 Box office top 10 to date

1. Spiderman 336 mill
2. Shrek the 3rd 321 mill
3. Transformers 311 mill
4. PoTC At World's End 308 mill
5. Harry Potter OotP 288 mill
6. 300 210 mill
7. Bourne Ultimatum 210 mill
8. Ratatouille 201 mill
9. Simpsons 180 mill
10. Wild Hogs 168 mill

7 of the top 10 are or will be on BD this year. While 5 are or will be on HD-DVD.

Of the next 10(11th-20th) 7 of those are or will be on BD. While 4 will be on HD-DVD. So of the top 20 box office movies this year, 14 will be on BD while 9 will be on HD-DVD.

Now we all remember the 300 BD numbers correct? Think what the Spiderman numbers are going to look like especially being #1....

Think what the Spiderman numbers are going to look like especially being #1....
Not as good as Transformers. :D

11 of top 15 movies of 2006 are from blu-ray exclusive studios. 7 of top 15 from Sony themselves.

Box Office 2006 Source: Box Office Mojo

Position Title Studio Domestic Gross

1 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV $423,315,812 blu-ray only
2 Cars BV $244,082,982 blu-ray only
3 X-Men III: The Last Stand Fox $234,362,462 blu-ray only
4 The Da Vinci Code Sony $217,536,138 blu-ray only
5 Superman Returns WB $200,081,192 both
6 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox $195,330,621 blu-ray only
7 Happy Feet WB $185,625,671 both
8 Night at the Museum Fox $165,150,384 blu-ray only
9 Casino Royale Sony $160,047,891 blu-ray only
10 Over the Hedge P/DW $155,019,34 hd-dvd only
11 Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby Sony $148,213,377 blu-ray only
12 Click Sony $137,340,146 blu only
13 Mission: Impossible III Par. $133,501,348 hd-dvd only
14 Borat Fox $126,598,982 blu-ray only
15 The Pursuit of Happyness Sony $124,834,524 blu-ray only

Paramaount only holds the #10 + #13 spots, Universal didn't make the top 15.

Top Ten Global Summer Blockbusters of 2007

# Film Gross ($M)
1 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End $958 blu-ray only
2 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix $912 both
3 Spider-Man 3 $890 blu-ray only
4 Shrek the Third $757 hd-dvd only
5 Transformers $685 hd-dvd only
6 The Simpsons Movie $482 blu-ray only
7 Ratatouille $390 blu-ray only
8 Die Hard 4.0 $356 blu-ray only
9 Ocean's Thirteen $305 both
10 The Bourne Ultimatum $278 hd-dvd only

7 on blu-ray, 5 on hd-dvd. 5 blu-ray exclusives, 3 hd-dvd exclusives, 2 neutrals.

Hd-dvd exclusive studios, Universal/NBC tv, and Paramount/Dreamworks
Blu-ray exclusive studios, Sony, including Columbia, 20th Century Fox/Fox tv, Lionsgate, MGM, Disney/Buena Vista, Miramax.
Plenty of good movies for both, but blu-ray has a much greater selection.
20th Century Fox has 29 titles coming before Xmas.
Put together these facts when I was on the fence trying to decide between the 2 formats. I suppose I don't need to tell you which way I went. It had nothing to do with Sony infatuation, although I do believe that they make very good quality products hence they charge more and still are an industry leader. I had a Toshiba vcr many years ago and thought it was well made too.
For me it came down to movies available and on the horizon. Studio backing, and elec. manufacturer support. Most electronic hardware producers have joined blu-ray including Philips, Sharp, JVC, LG, Daewoo, Loewe, Denon, Funai, Hitachi, Harmon Kardon, Sony, Apple, Dell, Acer, TDK, Samsung, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, and Hewlett Packard.
Manufacturer support of hd-dvd, Hewlett Packard, Acer, Toshiba, NEC, LG (combo player), Microsoft, Intel, Sanyo, Samsung (combo player), and Venturer.
Hd-dvds are losing shelf space to blu-ray at Targets, Walmarts, Frys, and Blockbuster is blu-ray exclusive.

Is that the kind of blu-ray "fud" you were referring to? Yea it's all wishy washy with verifiable facts.
Transform this into a hd-dvd positive spin. <Not meant to be mean, just couldn't resist the play on words.

Exactly....

2007 Box office top 10 to date

...

7 of the top 10 are or will be on BD this year. While 5 are or will be on HD-DVD.

Of the next 10(11th-20th) 7 of those are or will be on BD. While 4 will be on HD-DVD. So of the top 20 box office movies this year, 14 will be on BD while 9 will be on HD-DVD...
Thanks for the info, I knew that sales had much to do with the movies itself and you confirm that. BR will outsold HD sales as long as there are more hit movies in that format, that will only change if Q4 get a lot of HD hardware sales, i.e. lot of promotions and less than $190 players at local stores and not only online.

Its a real shame that the blu bloods are not buying movies. Look at the attachment rates that is the real truth. HD sells more movies per player than the blu-ray player by a huge margin. The studios will look at that as an important aspect of the format war as they call it. The PS3 with it's blu-ray player is nothing more than a toy not a serious HD device.

Anyway you spin it HD DVD is doing better than it was two monthsa ago. Two months ago it was all about Universal and Weinstein going neutral - I don't hear this anymore! Two months ago the sales ratio was 2:1 or worse for HD DVD - now its 3:2! All the noise from the Blu supporters is simply anger that BD isn't going to put HD DVD to bed this holiday season as they were hoping and expecting. More and more BD rational supporters are picking up HD DVD players just as HD DVD supporters picked up PS3s awhile back. Its a small market and when BD supporters go "neutral" and buy software like Heros, Transformers, BSG etc. it only helps HD DVD and that really makes the hardcore BD supporters see red (pun intended)! They've been making more noise than ever over the last month or so and HD DVD players keep selling well and HD DVD software sales are getting better and better - what does that tell you?

BD could have and (from its point of view) should have killed HD DVD long ago! A fatal mistake IMO. It should have bitten the bullet a year ago and spent X number of dollars. Now X + Y number of dollars won't do it.

Cheers,

Grant