From what I have seen at the store I would give it a 8/10. I can't wait to try it at home one day.

It gets a 9 from me - would be a 10 if it wasn't for the lack of IR, which I've worked around at this point. It plays movies that my Pio Elite DVD & Toshiba HD-DVD player wont' play due to scratches. It's performed near flawlessly and quick to boot...

I give it a 10, but i don't have another bluray player to compare it to, I also give my 360 hddvd addon a 10 as well.

8/9

I'd score it higher if it had decoding for hdma & IR. Noise isn't an issue (at least for me). It's fast and pretty bulletproof. Thankfully we dont have the stutter issue anymore after the 1.6 firmware update. Stuttering/freezing is embarrassing as hell.

9- For me the main detraction right now is the DTS-MA support. Add DTS-MA internal decoding and it will be a perfect 10.

9 out of 10 if only because the lack of IR.

9 out of 10 for playback, 8 out of ten overall for no IR port!

What is IR port?

Infra-Red?

Yes, IR is Infra-red.

9 out of 10 for me, DTS-HD Master being the only negative factor. I also have the Samsung BD-P1000 which I would rate a 7.

Don't know how to rate it so I'll list +/- and overall feeling:

Plus:
Pretty wide selection of audio, but I'm not an audiophile so its difficult to quantify.
Picture quality is Blu-Ray. Don't have another player so can't compare, but its a plus.
Love the ability to easily update firmware.

Minus:
No IR. Stinks to have to use the game controller.
The fan can get in the way if I turn the volume on the speakers down too much.
Only one disc at a time.


Overall I'm incredibly happy that my game machine can play high definition video. I'm especially pleased that Blu-Ray is integrated. Didn't really dig the HD-DVD add on approach MS took.

Is the Blue Ray remote controller for the PS3 not good? I always see it as a recommended item to get whenever I looked at the PS3 console on amazon.

I'd say 9 cause nothing's perfect. :)

Is the Blue Ray remote controller for the PS3 not good? I always see it as a recommended item to get whenever I looked at the PS3 console on amazon.

most people want the ps3 to work with their universal remotes.

Also, the blu-ray remotes dont turn the ps3 on/off I believe.

It does.

Also, the blu-ray remotes dont turn the ps3 on/off I believe.

9- For me the main detraction right now is the DTS-MA support. Add DTS-MA internal decoding and it will be a perfect 10.

Yup, waiting for the DTS MA, RBFilms has hinted it is coming soon, I hope he knows something we don't. For movies/music videos that are in LPCM and TrueHD no need to wait :D

8/10 (same grade id give the 360 addon).

lack of ir was a huge oversight imo... not having the ps3 on my harmony is very very bad for me.

9

10

I give it a 10, but i don't have another bluray player to compare it to, I also give my 360 hddvd addon a 10 as well.

I have to agree with some. Would've been a 10, but the IR brings the score down.


The 360 is not a 10 (atleast for me). The reason why: it won't decode some audio codecs. So, I sold the addon and bought an A2. Now wish I bought the A20 or Xa2 for the 1080p.

9. -0.5 for lack of DTS-HD MA decoding and -0.5 for lack of IR for my Harmony.

Otherwise it ROCKS!

8.5

9.5 Solid great playback, what a deal. now the Xbox 360 add-on???? You fuggin kidding me?? Not even in the same league unless fanboy is your middle name. Garbage.

10 pic sound quality is awesome awaiting for dts-ma but thats ok. when the firmware upgrade comes out ill be ready. im not really picky with the sound cuz it sounds awesome. plus i have the wireless controller so theres no rush for a remote. it really would be nice if harmony came out with a blue tooth enabled remote so it would be compatible with the ps3. im satisfied no complaints here. on the firmware im awaiting the better upconvert picture quality and the dts-ma:)

I give it a 1. When it can play Dolby Digital via optical with my Sony receiver without cutting out - I'll up my rating. If the only discs I had were DTS, then it would not be a problem. As far as I'm concerned - 1 is being generous. Now, I know most people don't have this problem... but then most people can't display that fancy shmansy 24 frame thingeymabob all the young kids are gettin' on about - so I don't think Im being unfair in asking for a fix for a minority of users.

IR should not even be an issue with the PS3. There are already three possible remote packages that get around that issue with an IR receiver attached to the PS3, most functions can be used on the remote with it or on a universal. I give the PS3 a 9/10. As soon as it does dts-HD MA, then it's a ten. The 1080p/24 picture is awesome on this and I've seen other BD players with this function as well. Sony did a great job with this feature. Now if they could finish the audio processing. I don't know if it does bitstream passthrough to an HDMI 1.3 receiver. Some say it can't and some say it can; I don't believe anything until Sony says that it's not possible. This should be a major feature on any BD player or HD DVD player for that matter. My Toshiba XA2 is only 1 month older than the PS3 and yet everybody is claiming that the PS3 HDMI 1.3 setup can't do bitstream pass through, but the XA2 can and will do it after a firmware update sometime in October. As for the games, the PS3 does an incredible job. It's the software companies that need to get their act together and start using what the PS3 has to offer. It has more speed and processing power than any other console ever, yet we are getting games with framerate issues and multiplatform crap of lesser quality.

I give it a 1. When it can play Dolby Digital via optical with my Sony receiver without cutting out - I'll up my rating. If the only discs I had were DTS, then it would not be a problem. As far as I'm concerned - 1 is being generous. Now, I know most people don't have this problem... but then most people can't display that fancy shmansy 24 frame thingeymabob all the young kids are gettin' on about - so I don't think Im being unfair in asking for a fix for a minority of users.


I think you may have something wrong with your PS3, either that or you're just trolling the thread between Halo games. I'm using optical all the time with no issues. I'm still waiting to accept delivery on my Toshiba 905 and then optical will be of no use to me. If you do have a PS3, then you should get it repaired.

Mattardo, do you have your audio set to bitstream?

Yes, my audio is set to bitstream. It's an issue with certain Sony receivers and the PS3 from what I've read in the Blue Ray Forum (not this forum - blu-ray.com). It passes Dolby Digital just fine in games, dvds, and DTS just fine in Blu-Rays. it just can't handle the Dolby Digital from Blu-Rays. There is nothing mechanically wrong with the PS3 as it is a known issue with those who own that receiver family (and a few other company receivers have this problem). Of course, Sony denies it on both sides (sony and SCEA) so nothing gets done about it. I've spent hours upon hours upon hours with SCEA and Sony to no avail. IT's something to do with 640k... can't remember. All I know is that a Sony should work with a Sony .... So if you're one of the many people with my family line of receivers, you're **** out of luck. The funny part is when I change the audio to PCM (like SCEA adamantly told me was the fix to my problems) there is no cutting out of sound, BUT there is also no surround sound. But THAT was their solution, which is unacceptable. So yes, to answer a short question with a long answer - I use bitstream.. And everything else works fine using bitstream.

Weird. Sorry to hear that.

I think you may have something wrong with your PS3, either that or you're just trolling the thread between Halo games. I'm using optical all the time with no issues. I'm still waiting to accept delivery on my Toshiba 905 and then optical will be of no use to me. If you do have a PS3, then you should get it repaired.

Wow - thanks, Steve. You showed a decided lack of intelligence in your deductive reasoning concerning my "broken" or "non-existant" PS3 and it's Dolby Digital problem. I suppose if it works for Steve69er, then it should work for everyone - and if it doesn't then they're idiots and liars. Obviously. So what is it? Am I a troll between Halo games with a secret agenda to change current PS3 owner's minds and help them embrace HD DVD and it's extra $200 add-on cost or do I own a smoldering heap o' crap that needs repaired? :D The world's black or white to Steve, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot troll who needs repaired.

Weird. Sorry to hear that.

I'm not ready to spend money on a new receiver just to accomodate this audio issue, and currently that's the only problem I've had with the receiver. So while it may work for most people it's been a great expensive dissapointment for me with Blu-Rays. I got lucky with the only 2 blu-rays I purchased - one has DTS but the other doesn't. So half lucky, I suppose. :D

I'd give it a 9; marked down for lack of IR, no backlight on the bluetooth remote; no DTS HD-MA (yet). Excellent pq and sq (other than DTS HD obviously). Also it would be nice if it could put out advanced codecs via bitstream; but I don't think thats possible from what I've read.

Currently, probably an 8.5.

If DTS-MA and/or bitstream output is added, probably a 9. If they are also able to support profile 2.0 later on ... 10.

Yay for Mattardo to come crap on every thread that exists in the PS forums. :P


Back on topic. I'd say 8.5. I don't have another Blu-ray player to compare however there are still are features that can be added to improve it as a Blu-ray player and as a gaming console. Otherwise currently it is the single best media componet I have next to my computer. :D

I give it a 1. When it can play Dolby Digital via optical with my Sony receiver without cutting out - I'll up my rating. If the only discs I had were DTS, then it would not be a problem. As far as I'm concerned - 1 is being generous. Now, I know most people don't have this problem... but then most people can't display that fancy shmansy 24 frame thingeymabob all the young kids are gettin' on about - so I don't think Im being unfair in asking for a fix for a minority of users.


How does the issue with your receiver become the PS3 is a bad BD player issue. I call BS and someone needs to reign your trolling ass in, but a mod is the only one that can do that. Seriously stop the trolling. Just because you feel justified ranting and crapping on every thread and missing the true intent of the thread, doesn't mean the majority of us don't see it for what it is, trolling.

I give it a 1. When it can play Dolby Digital via optical with my Sony receiver without cutting out - I'll up my rating. If the only discs I had were DTS, then it would not be a problem. As far as I'm concerned - 1 is being generous. Now, I know most people don't have this problem... but then most people can't display that fancy shmansy 24 frame thingeymabob all the young kids are gettin' on about - so I don't think Im being unfair in asking for a fix for a minority of users.


Funny how someone who's so picky with his equipment, his games, the controllers, etc would buy a SONY receiver and expect it to perform flawlessly. That's not to say that sony receivers are total junk, but pretty funny from someone who's so picky. And yes, that's a problem that has plagued the Sony receiver line, and they have denied it in typical sony fashion (so I dont totally blame you for being bitter).

Regardless, the issue is with your receiver, not your ps3. Reminds me of all the people whos were having problems getting picture through their hdmi tvs blamed their problems on the ps3 because it's the new piece of hardware introduced to their system, when in fact, a lot of early hdmi devices had all sorts of problems and weren't exactly reliable. They introduced a reliable piece of hardware to an unreliable connection.

Wow - thanks, Steve. You showed a decided lack of intelligence in your deductive reasoning concerning my "broken" or "non-existant" PS3 and it's Dolby Digital problem. I suppose if it works for Steve69er, then it should work for everyone - and if it doesn't then they're idiots and liars. Obviously. So what is it? Am I a troll between Halo games with a secret agenda to change current PS3 owner's minds and help them embrace HD DVD and it's extra $200 add-on cost or do I own a smoldering heap o' crap that needs repaired? :D The world's black or white to Steve, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot troll who needs repaired.


Wow that was really mature. What are you like 14 and just bored or something? I'm using a Sony 9000ES preamp and it handles 640 or anything else I throw at it. It even handles the dts core at 1.5. A Sony PS3 does work with a Sony preamp or receiver, unless you bought one of those $199 receivers. Do you have any lists of people with similiar issues with Dolby Digital processing and Sony receivers or a link to justify your logic, because you would think that on a forum as big as AVS, that more people would know about it? Maybe you should buy better gear. Did you get one of those Walmart systems in a box or what? I've seen you around the forum enough to know that you gripe about every little thing. You sure seem like a troll to me. I saw your post on the Jericho thread. You won't buy a FPS because you can't remap the buttons. What a retarded reason to not buy a game. Is your brain not capable of adjusting from one game to another? Sounds to me like a learning disability because I don't think you're doing something right in your audio setup. Anybody that gives the PS3 a "1" must have a screw loose or be in need of help. Maybe you should sell your PS3 since you dislike it so much so we won't have to hear you whine about ever little thing about it. Have you heard of Ebay?

Report him to the mods. Mattardo is a troll so arguing is just feeding the problem.

Report him to the mods. Mattardo is a troll so arguing is just feeding the problem.THE man was just tell u his problem and he was call a troll. so now u wont him reported to the mods.stevens69 was wrong
not Mattardo.

I gave my rating on the Blu-Ray player - the purpose of this thread. If fanboys have a problem with it - then i suggest changing the name of this particular thread to "Please rate the Blu-Ray Player Of The Ps3 and Make Sure It's A Good Rating". I swear to God - how many Sony employees use this forum? Answering a question with my opinion is not trolling - no matter how you look at it. If you dont like the opinion, then pass by it and pay it no mind.

Wow that was really mature. What are you like 14 and just bored or something? I'm using a Sony 9000ES preamp and it handles 640 or anything else I throw at it. It even handles the dts core at 1.5. A Sony PS3 does work with a Sony preamp or receiver, unless you bought one of those $199 receivers. Do you have any lists of people with similiar issues with Dolby Digital processing and Sony receivers or a link to justify your logic, because you would think that on a forum as big as AVS, that more people would know about it? Maybe you should buy better gear. Did you get one of those Walmart systems in a box or what? I've seen you around the forum enough to know that you gripe about every little thing. You sure seem like a troll to me. I saw your post on the Jericho thread. You won't buy a FPS because you can't remap the buttons. What a retarded reason to not buy a game. Is your brain not capable of adjusting from one game to another? Sounds to me like a learning disability because I don't think you're doing something right in your audio setup. Anybody that gives the PS3 a "1" must have a screw loose or be in need of help. Maybe you should sell your PS3 since you dislike it so much so we won't have to hear you whine about ever little thing about it. Have you heard of Ebay?

I don't need a link to justify anything. It's been discussed many times on this forum and the official blu-ray forums. It's called Search and Google. And YOU, my friend, are making personal attacks.

A 9. it loads quickly, is very quiet and reliable.

it gets a 7/10 from me.

I only have three issues with the PS3:

1) Lack of IR support.
2) Lack of ability to create folders for internal HDD content.
3) A little too much noise.

#1 will fixed when somebody comes out with an IR/BT combination universal remote for the PS3. I use the Nyko dongle now, but it can't turn the unit on/off and the XMB interface isn't as fast or smooth as with the BT remote.

#2 will HOPEFULLY be fixed with the upcoming 2.0 firmware release. (I know this is not BD playback related but REALLY needs to be addressed.)

#3 I will probably have to live with. The noise is not terrible. My furnace/AC is far louder than the PS3. But this time of year, when no heating or AC is needed, I can hear the fan noise during quiet parts of music or movies. Not a deal breaker but it's far louder than a typical DVD player is. I can understand why some people dismiss the PS3 for this reason.

The PQ is the same between all these players, so I can't really judge on that. So added features and such, (and taking into account the lack of a standardized remote) make most of the difference. I would say the PS3 is a 9, which is to say it is a very, very good BD player.

And if you were talking about a price/performace rating, it would be an easy 10 no matter how you compared it.

Player itself, 10 out of 10.

I do wish the PS3 had IR support for use with My Harmony 880 however.. maybe they can produce a USB dongle... or...is there an IR USB dongle out there that would work with the PS3? :)

I would rate it 11 out of 10. The extra point is because it is so inexpensive.

. Yes I want DTS-MA, but only one other player can do it. I give them to xmas to add the feature.
. Now I'm used to which controller buttons to press.
. I can't hear the PS3 at all with the lossless sound pumping

well.... perhaps there is a solution!!

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9779733-7.html

10/10. No IR doesnt bother me and I have a Harmony remote. If it did I would just buy a Harmony 890. Harping on the IR is just sour grapes IMO. But no back lighting on the Sony remote is a PIA but I just memorized which buttons do what and use it by feel.

It gets a 9 from me - would be a 10 if it wasn't for the lack of IR...
+1

Can't really knock it because of the lack of DTS MA decoding - no players decode it right now and it may be able to decode in the future.

I'll give it an 8

Lack of IR: -1
lacking the ability to bitstream (true-HD & DTS-HD MA) or decode DTS-HD MA: -1

10/10. No IR doesnt bother me and I have a Harmony remote. If it did I would just buy a Harmony 890. Harping on the IR is just sour grapes IMO. But no back lighting on the Sony remote is a PIA but I just memorized which buttons do what and use it by feel.

I don't think its sour grapes. While I like that they have Blue-tooth compatibility, I don't like the lack of IR or RF. Having one of those is a very common standard in the home entertainment world. The 890 won't solve the problem as it doesn't have Bluetooth.

Yes there are adapters you can buy but they are inelegant solutions. If I wanted that I would have went with the HD DVD add-on.

Yes, my audio is set to bitstream. It's an issue with certain Sony receivers and the PS3 from what I've read in the Blue Ray Forum (not this forum - blu-ray.com). It passes Dolby Digital just fine in games, dvds, and DTS just fine in Blu-Rays. it just can't handle the Dolby Digital from Blu-Rays. There is nothing mechanically wrong with the PS3 as it is a known issue with those who own that receiver family (and a few other company receivers have this problem). Of course, Sony denies it on both sides (sony and SCEA) so nothing gets done about it. I've spent hours upon hours upon hours with SCEA and Sony to no avail. IT's something to do with 640k... can't remember. All I know is that a Sony should work with a Sony .... So if you're one of the many people with my family line of receivers, you're **** out of luck. The funny part is when I change the audio to PCM (like SCEA adamantly told me was the fix to my problems) there is no cutting out of sound, BUT there is also no surround sound. But THAT was their solution, which is unacceptable. So yes, to answer a short question with a long answer - I use bitstream.. And everything else works fine using bitstream.


Somebody should've mentioned that the PS3 can't pass DD via optical to my console :rolleyes:

Seems to work fine for me and everyone else telling you to get a clue....



I'd give the BD player a 9.5

While I like the Bluetooth, I'd like to have IR as well for my Harmony.

Somebody should've mentioned that the PS3 can't pass DD via optical to my console :rolleyes:

Seems to work fine for me and everyone else telling you to get a clue....



I'd give the BD player a 9.5

While I like the Bluetooth, I'd like to have IR as well for my Harmony.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/rss/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=1655885
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=1721046
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=247478
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=753527


Now - before anyone else calls me ignorant, retarded, my PS3 in need in repairs, everyone is fine it must be you, etc.. - research before you spout your mouth off and make yourselves look like ignorant apes. What exactly is the clue I should be looking for? I didn't feel like copying and pasting any more of the MANY Google results from a simple search - the rest is up to you. The fact of the matter is : I would rate the Blu-Ray player higher if this issue wasn't a problem - and yes, it's a real issue that many people are experiencing. It isn't happening to you? Good - I'm glad. But there's been a ton of PS3 firmware updates that haven't helped me in the slightest, so don't insult other people if it's not personally your problem. And for God's sake - if you don't know what the **** you're talking about - don't call that person a clueless liar. Mercy. :rolleyes: THIS is AVS Forum - of course some of us know about this technical issue. SOme may not. Doesn't make it untrue.

I don't think its sour grapes. While I like that they have Blue-tooth compatibility, I don't like the lack of IR or RF. Having one of those is a very common standard in the home entertainment world. The 890 won't solve the problem as it doesn't have Bluetooth.

Yes there are adapters you can buy but they are inelegant solutions. If I wanted that I would have went with the HD DVD add-on.

A bluetooth enabled Logitech remote is what Im hoping for. In the mean time Ill use the controller. Using somthing called a dongle sounds dirty..:eek:

A bluetooth enabled Logitech remote is what Im hoping for. In the mean time Ill use the controller. Using somthing called a dongle sounds dirty..:eek:

I'd love an IR/Bluetooth remote. Down with dongles!

Also, the blu-ray remotes dont turn the ps3 on/off I believe.

Yes, they do! You would press and hold down the PS button for a couple of seconds. It will give you an option to turn off the system, or turn off the remote.

I would give the PS3 a 9 and possibly a 9.5, as it is a very versatile system for the price, especially when it came out. Nothing else could do the same thing at the price that the PS3 did.

Also, Sony has done very well with providing firmware updates to either enable features or fix issues.

9/10. Throw in Bookmarks and DTS-MA and I'll bump that baby up to a 10!

http://boardsus.playstation.com/rss/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=1655885
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=1721046
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=247478
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=753527


Now - before anyone else calls me ignorant, retarded, my PS3 in need in repairs, everyone is fine it must be you, etc.. - research before you spout your mouth off and make yourselves look like ignorant apes. What exactly is the clue I should be looking for? I didn't feel like copying and pasting any more of the MANY Google results from a simple search - the rest is up to you. The fact of the matter is : I would rate the Blu-Ray player higher if this issue wasn't a problem - and yes, it's a real issue that many people are experiencing. It isn't happening to you? Good - I'm glad. But there's been a ton of PS3 firmware updates that haven't helped me in the slightest, so don't insult other people if it's not personally your problem. And for God's sake - if you don't know what the **** you're talking about - don't call that person a clueless liar. Mercy. :rolleyes: THIS is AVS Forum - of course some of us know about this technical issue. SOme may not. Doesn't make it untrue.


The problem is actually your receiver. The first link you provided says it is BD movies and YOUR RECEIVER that is the issue, NOT the PS3. If everyone and there brother connects the PS3 to a receiver other than yours they don't have the issue. Connect it to your receiver and problems. Hence it is not the PS3 as a poor BD player, but the receiver as I see it, as most all of us see it.

Let me guess, you also have a 1080i only tv as well and it is the PS3 fault for not being able to scale since the TV DOES NOT HAVE A SCALER! On and on and around it goes.

I probably have as little finances and more debt than most out here because I love this hobby, buy STFU and do something about it. The hours you spend here bitching could be used working even at minimum wage and would get you a new receiver within a month.

The problem is actually your receiver. The first link you provided says it is BD movies and YOUR RECEIVER that is the issue, NOT the PS3. If everyone and there brother connects the PS3 to a receiver other than yours they don't have the issue. Connect it to your receiver and problems. Hence it is not the PS3 as a poor BD player, but the receiver as I see it, as most all of us see it.

Let me guess, you also have a 1080i only tv as well and it is the PS3 fault for not being able to scale since the TV DOES NOT HAVE A SCALER! On and on and around it goes.

I probably have as little finances and more debt than most out here because I love this hobby, buy STFU and do something about it. The hours you spend here bitching could be used working even at minimum wage and would get you a new receiver within a month.

Lack of a scaler on a optical playback device would downgrade it's rating somewhat, as would incompatability with certain recievers. It's just a question of how much you downgrade for those issues. If it were my receiver, I would take the issue more seriously, as Matt has.

The glove compartment on my new 6 series BMW is too small, so I give it a 1 out of 10.

The glove compartment on my new 6 series BMW is too small, so I give it a 1 out of 10.

Ahahaha, that made me literally laugh out loud. Thank you! :D

The glove compartment on my new 6 series BMW is too small, so I give it a 1 out of 10.

Come on man! I'm not a fan of the guy but he gets crappy audio during playback. Thats more equivalent to the X3's problems with shifting....if you're in an automatic.

I'll give mine a 7.
No IR
Uncertainty over the advanced Blu-ray profiles.
No DTS MA decoding (Not bitstream as I'm HDMI 1.1)
Lack of bitstreaming for the new audio codecs (HDMI 1.3)
Fans can get pretty noisy.
Twitchy DNLA implementation (I consider this part of blu-ray has some of the standalone BD players have it)

Good news is some of the above may be firmware fixable and I still believe the PS3 is the best BD player for the money.

Come on man! I'm not a fan of the guy but he gets crappy audio during playback. Thats more equivalent to the X3's problems with shifting....if you're in an automatic.

Thank you for noticing the bad analogy. A small glove box doesn't prevent him from driving the car. But what's the point of Blu-Ray if I'm restricted to stereo? My receiver (though not the best around) was expensive and over the years it has played every single thing flawlessly I threw at it - the only difference between it and the higher end model are one less multi-in, no 2nd room and no on-screen display. I said it before : I'm glad most of you get flawless playback after you upgraded your receivers or with your existing ones, but I'm not so I give it a 1. I just don't feel I should upgrade my receiver because of this when it could be fixed with a simple firmware update. It's a 5.1 DD signal, so it's not ALL the receiver's fault. The signal is obviously different for the Blu-Ray version of 5.1 as opposed to DVD. I haven't even mentioned the non-back-lit remote, horrible design of the Stop, Pause, Play buttons, non-bookmark-remembering features which contribute to the 1. On the plus side : it has a pretty picture. I just don't understand how you can have a poll and then attack anyone who doesn't vote the way you want them to. Sounds like "preaching to the choir" to me..

4, the fan noise from the thing is unacceptable.
With the console in another room (or modded with a different cooling system) it gets an 8 from me.

9 - but I can't find enough of a selection to rent. Blockbuster only has 2 shelfs. Video Haven doesn't carry Blu Ra. Hollywood Video doesn't carry blu ray - the gal say they eventually will, but can't tell me when.

Would be a 10 if it had discreet analog outs.

IR - why so many people knock it for lack of IR I just don't get. Plan for the future and incorporate a universal remote that works through leather, walls, legs, arms, +90 degree angles, etc.

IR - why so many people knock it for lack of IR I just don't get. Plan for the future and incorporate a universal remote that works through leather, walls, legs, arms, +90 degree angles, etc.

They don't knock it, it's just irritating. There are solutions. Although it would be nice to have support for our expensive universal remotes, it is acceptable since an ir dongle is cheap.

IR - why so many people knock it for lack of IR I just don't get. Plan for the future and incorporate a universal remote that works through leather, walls, legs, arms, +90 degree angles, etc.Are there Universal remotes with Bluetooth????

Are there Universal remotes with Bluetooth????

I haven't heard of any - but that doesn't mean anything. That would be a perfect solution, but not many home components are using blue-tooth so we probably won't see a decent one for a while.

I 40th the irritation at the lack of IR. It's just silly. An IR port would have cost all of two cents, if even that much.

The Bluetooth remote isn't bad. In fact, it's a perfectly fine remote. I'd just rather be able to use my Harmony, as I can with every other component I have. I could say it's just as much Logitech's fault for not making a Harmony with Bluetooth. ;)

it does turn the system off

I couldnt be happier w/ the bluray player. It looks and performs beautifully and I haven't had a problem with fan noise at all.

Thank you for noticing the bad analogy. A small glove box doesn't prevent him from driving the car. But what's the point of Blu-Ray if I'm restricted to stereo? My receiver (though not the best around) was expensive and over the years it has played every single thing flawlessly I threw at it - the only difference between it and the higher end model are one less multi-in, no 2nd room and no on-screen display. I said it before : I'm glad most of you get flawless playback after you upgraded your receivers or with your existing ones, but I'm not so I give it a 1. I just don't feel I should upgrade my receiver because of this when it could be fixed with a simple firmware update. It's a 5.1 DD signal, so it's not ALL the receiver's fault. The signal is obviously different for the Blu-Ray version of 5.1 as opposed to DVD. I haven't even mentioned the non-back-lit remote, horrible design of the Stop, Pause, Play buttons, non-bookmark-remembering features which contribute to the 1. On the plus side : it has a pretty picture. I just don't understand how you can have a poll and then attack anyone who doesn't vote the way you want them to. Sounds like "preaching to the choir" to me..

The "bad analogy" is just a joke. And yeah I think it's silly to give it a 1 for that. I don't care how anyone votes, didn't even vote myself I don't think. Oh, and I wouldn't call a joke like that an attack.

9 of 10... near perfect.... any press of a button on the PS3 bluray remote will turn on the system....

9.5. Would have been a 10 if it had analog outputs.

9 of 10... near perfect.... any press of a button on the PS3 bluray remote will turn on the system....

...even when you don't want it on. I'm actually not happy about that.

I gave my rating on the Blu-Ray player - the purpose of this thread. If fanboys have a problem with it - then i suggest changing the name of this particular thread to "Please rate the Blu-Ray Player Of The Ps3 and Make Sure It's A Good Rating". I swear to God - how many Sony employees use this forum? Answering a question with my opinion is not trolling - no matter how you look at it. If you dont like the opinion, then pass by it and pay it no mind.

But it's not a "rate your receiver" thread. Have you tried other Blu-Ray players? I'm guessing not. If other devices do the same thing with the receiver than it's not the PS3's problem.

FYI, it works fine with a Sony 50ES receiver, which is about 8 years old.

8 of 10

Lack of DTS-MA
Lack of analog audio out
Lack of IR

9- For me the main detraction right now is the DTS-MA support. Add DTS-MA internal decoding and it will be a perfect 10.
;)
It gets a 9 from me

I would imagine Logitech would eventually produce a special Harmony/PS3 remote that was Blue Tooth. That's why I haven't bothered with all the dongle mess. The PS3's remote is good enough for me in the meantime.

8 of 10

Lack of DTS-MA
Lack of analog audio out
Lack of IR

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding. We have a winnah!

100% agree with you.

The "bad analogy" is just a joke. And yeah I think it's silly to give it a 1 for that. I don't care how anyone votes, didn't even vote myself I don't think. Oh, and I wouldn't call a joke like that an attack.
No sense of humor. Some on AVS just get their panties in a wad over nothing.

Why can't it just output the UNDECODED audio so my $1000 reciever could just decode it!!!

I don't know, but I have my ps3 set up to an RCA 5.1 DD only reciever and it plays blu-rays fine. BTW I give it a 10 because i don't care about the new audio formats and I don't have a universal remote.

9, it would be a 10 if there was a backlit remote. Its DARK in true HT's!

This is kind of a hard question to answer. As integrated into a gaming system, I give it a 9. As a standalone, I'd probably knock it down some for missing some of the features. For a true HD audiophile, the limited audio options mean the best you can really give it is something like a 5.

8 of 10...

Not to beat a dead horse (sorry PETA) but I really want HD audio moreover let my receiver do all the work. I paid $1200 for an A\V unit and its not using its full potential.

Next, PQ is fine I havent really compared it to another BD player on my set, but I dont see how much that could change. OHH BTW 3:10 to Yuma is by far the best PQ I have ever seen on a blu-ray. I have over 40 BDs and this tops it all. I also loved Live Free or Die Hard, amazing sequences on BD.

I was watchin POTC2 w\ my father last night on standard DVD but upscaled to 1080p on his TV. WOW, not even close I almost felt bad for him. haha.

Anyway, does anyone know when we will get a BD update? because i know they have better things to worry about like "home" BUT alot of people including myself bought a ps3 at launch for the blu ray. Sony markets the darn thing as a blu ray as well. LETS GO

I'd give it a 10/10 for how it uses the features that it does have. Probably a 9/10 overall due to lack of a few features that could make it better. The lack of IR doesn't really bother me, as I use the standard sixaxis anyway. Lack of backlighting on the optional remote is a non issue no matter how dark the room is... as the PS3 controller is pretty freaking easy for a gamer to memorize... and works very well for my setup.

10 for me, the only complaint is of course IR as it is stopping me from having one remote.

I give it 8.5 out of 10.

My gripes are that the Blue Tooth stupidity, no simultaneous audio via hdmi and optical and the shape of the PS3 itself don't lend themselves well to a home theater setup - or at least not now my setup is.

Other than those 3 things I'm very happy with it - it boots fast, loads fast and is quiet.

9 for me due to no clock. Or at least a timer for how long I've been watching the movie. I sometimes base how much I'm enjoying a movie by how long it takes me to look down (usually cause I'm bored) and see how long I've been watching it. If I'm bored out of my mind and it's only been on 15 minutes (like for Rob Zombie's release of Halloween, for example) I can safely eject and not waste any more of my life watching it.

Plus I like having a general idea about how long I have left.

9 for me due to no clock. Or at least a timer for how long I've been watching the movie. I sometimes base how much I'm enjoying a movie by how long it takes me to look down (usually cause I'm bored) and see how long I've been watching it. If I'm bored out of my mind and it's only been on 15 minutes (like for Rob Zombie's release of Halloween, for example) I can safely eject and not waste any more of my life watching it.

Plus I like having a general idea about how long I have left.

I'm sure you mean an actual digital clock on the system, but for those who don't already know this: pressing the Select button will bring up time elapsed/time remaining information (plus audio/video bitrate and other info).

9/10 Due to no analog out. I don't have an HDMI AVR.
Works great.
Looks great.
If the fan makes any noise at all, I haven't heard it.

I give it a 1. When it can play Dolby Digital via optical with my Sony receiver without cutting out - I'll up my rating. If the only discs I had were DTS, then it would not be a problem. As far as I'm concerned - 1 is being generous. Now, I know most people don't have this problem...

I also have this problem with my STR-DE9xx (can't remember the exact name right now). It is driving me nuts. No other source has this issue with my receiver!

I'll give it a 6.

-1 for no DTS-MA
-1 for no IR
-1 for no transcoding of Dolby TrueHD or lossless into DTS 1.5Mbit like my 360 does.
-1 for the annoying Dolby Digital audio cut-out 4 or 5 times in a single movie.

I would give it an 8. Extraordinary player but I hate the fact that it has no IR and/or there isn't an easy solution for a universal remote out there. Also, as a standalone player it doesn't come w/ a remote besides the controller which can be annoying.

9

No Bitstreaming support, and way to loud.

9/10

A few more features and this thing would be 10/10. Overall experience is still great!

-Splints

9

No Bitstreaming support, and way to loud.

Just should point out (for those reading this that are considering buying a PS3): the new 40gb models are whisper quiet. I know that noise is very important for some people and some applications. My brother had a 60gb PS3 that he got about 4 months ago. He returned it to BB for an 80gb version because it was quite clunky/noisy. The 80gb is definitely more reasonable noise wise, but the 40gb blows it away. I've had my 40gb on straight since I purchased it, and when it's the only thing in the room running you can't even tell that it's on (and my desk is about 3 feet from it).

The noise of the original systems is definitely much higher than the ones with the new 65nm cells (and even the 80gb version which still has the old chip IIRC). None of them are as loud as my 360 though lol... 18 months and still going strong! :)

Based on my HT equipment, I would have to give it a 9. I think all other BD players have multichannel analog outs. I wish the PS3 did also.

I'd say 7.5. Great picture and sound but....

I don't like having the black bars on top and bottom and it doesn't go back to where you last stopped watching a movie.

It gets a 9 from me - would be a 10 if it wasn't for the lack of IR, which I've worked around at this point. It plays movies that my Pio Elite DVD & Toshiba HD-DVD player wont' play due to scratches. It's performed near flawlessly and quick to boot...

yep 9 for me. it plays a pretty trashed up dvd that other players can't. would have been 10 but -0.5 for lack of ir and -0.5 for the lack of dts hd ma decoding.

The fan can get in the way if I turn the volume on the speakers down too much.

The volume can go down?

Ten. No IR doesn't bother me because 2/3 of the buttons available on the remote could only be used through the screen on a universal remote (Harmony 880). This is only me though because I'm switching from commentary to the audio track a lot in a few movies. That, and keeping my hands warm while pushing buttons thanks to Bluetooth.

No DTS-MA support on receiver, so no negative.

I'd say 7.5. Great picture and sound but....

I don't like having the black bars on top and bottom and it doesn't go back to where you last stopped watching a movie.


Black bars are normal for wide screen aspect ratios.

It can go back to where you left off in a movie unless you shut the PS3 down completely.

9/10

due to not having the ability to do both HDMI audio and optical at the same time.

if that issue gets fixed i'd easily give the blu-ray playback a solid 10!

I'll give it a 7 or 8.

It upconverts SD discs rather well. Blu-ray looks better than my hd-dvd add on drive for xbox. It also upconverts better than my xbox.

Minuses are, lack of IR port. Then it doesnt support many video codecs that the xbox supports. It also doesnt play PAL dvds while my xbox does. It doesnt resume movies.

Kind of off topic a bit, but the xobx has better audio imo.

I'll give mine a 7.
No IR
Uncertainty over the advanced Blu-ray profiles.
No DTS MA decoding (Not bitstream as I'm HDMI 1.1)
Lack of bitstreaming for the new audio codecs (HDMI 1.3)
Fans can get pretty noisy.
Twitchy DNLA implementation (I consider this part of blu-ray has some of the standalone BD players have it)

Good news is some of the above may be firmware fixable and I still believe the PS3 is the best BD player for the money.

There is no uncertainty over the advanced Blu-ray profiles and DNLA has nothing to do with Blu-Ray even if other players support it.

I give it 9 because of the lack of analog outputs or IR support. OTOH I give every other player 8 or less due to load times, general responsiveness, lack of advanced profile support, questionalble upconverting and general flakiness.

I'll give it a 7 or 8.

It upconverts SD discs rather well. Blu-ray looks better than my hd-dvd add on drive for xbox. It also upconverts better than my xbox.

Minuses are, lack of IR port. Then it doesnt support many video codecs that the xbox supports. It also doesnt play PAL dvds while my xbox does. It doesnt resume movies.

Kind of off topic a bit, but the xobx has better audio imo.

Again, it does resume movies where one left off if you don't completely power down like most players.

9/10 because of lack of DTS-MA support and no IR. However it is still better than any other stand-alone at everything else. It is the most speedy and picture quality is perfect.. And when it does receive DTS-MA support, it then becomes a 10 in my book since there is a nice $50 workaround solution that solves the IR problem. The other main reason are the firmware updates will keep it compatible specs-wise up until the very end..

I give it a 8/10 due to the lack of IR and Bitstreaming.

10 because it works perfectly for me.

9.5 because of lack of DTS-MA support

9 out of 10. The only shortcoming being lack of DTS-HD Master support.

Again, it does resume movies where one left off if you don't completely power down like most players.

I think that most players will resume movies where you left off even if you power them down but don't remove the disc from the tray.

I'm not sure what good it is to have resume if it doesn't resume after powering down. You might as well just use pause.

8/10.

It's funny when you consider that this thing doesn't ship with a 'remote' (according to my wife, a joy stick is not a remote, lol). So either I have to use a joy stick to control my expensive hi definition movie disc player, or I have to spend an extra 5-10% of the price of the PS3 to get a remote or IR hack.

I'd say 7.5. Great picture and sound but....

I don't like having the black bars on top and bottom

Crappy PS3. I can't believe it ruins movies like that. :rolleyes:

I give it an 8 for no IR, UI could be better.

Just should point out (for those reading this that are considering buying a PS3): the new 40gb models are whisper quiet. I know that noise is very important for some people and some applications. My brother had a 60gb PS3 that he got about 4 months ago. He returned it to BB for an 80gb version because it was quite clunky/noisy. The 80gb is definitely more reasonable noise wise, but the 40gb blows it away. I've had my 40gb on straight since I purchased it, and when it's the only thing in the room running you can't even tell that it's on (and my desk is about 3 feet from it).

The noise of the original systems is definitely much higher than the ones with the new 65nm cells (and even the 80gb version which still has the old chip IIRC). None of them are as loud as my 360 though lol... 18 months and still going strong! :)

Definately go for the 40gb then as my 60 is much to loud for a deadicated HT. It is a non issue for me as I have mine in a closet and cant hear it, but for those who cant do this it is a negative for sure.

I'm sure you mean an actual digital clock on the system, but for those who don't already know this: pressing the Select button will bring up time elapsed/time remaining information (plus audio/video bitrate and other info).

I did not know this. Thanks for posting it.

I give it an 8.

Pros:
-Dolby TrueHD decoding
-Great DVD upconvert
-Fast load time
-Fast seek times on Blu-Ray discs


Cons:
-No DTS-MA decoding (possibly could change)
-No bitstreaming (word has it the hardware physically can't?)
-UI is somewhat clumsy
-No built-in IR (come on Sony, you knew better)

I'm waiting for DTS-MA decoding, but to be honest, the 1.5Mbps DTS on the Fox discs is a pretty nice improvement. I find it hard to believe that the HDMI transceiver in the PS3 is incapable of bitstreaming (bitstream requires a lower bitrate than PCM, so what gives?), but I'm happy with the decoded Dolby TrueHD. If by some software sleight-of-hand they enabled bitstreaming, it'd be perfect- I could set the output to bitstream and let the receiver do all of the work. As is, the bass management on my receiver is better than the PS3's when listening to Dolby D and DTS tracks, so when I watch SD DVD's, I find myself changing the setting to bitstream. Ah well, can't have it all- in my opinion the PS3 is dollar for dollar the most versatile console of this generation.

I give it a 9.0. Lack of ir and no DTS MA are the only negatives I see. This thing plays everything I throw at it and the DD tracks work fine on my 9 year Sony ES receiver.

As is, the bass management on my receiver is better than the PS3's when listening to Dolby D and DTS tracks, so when I watch SD DVD's, I find myself changing the setting to bitstream
Huh? What bass management is there in the PS3?? If I send 5ch PCM to my Onkyo 705 via HDMI, it's still doing the bass management, AFAIK :confused:

:cool:

I think that most players will resume movies where you left off even if you power them down but don't remove the disc from the tray.

I'm not sure what good it is to have resume if it doesn't resume after powering down. You might as well just use pause.



You are right on DVD players, but it seems HD players don't.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=988322

10 for me. Picture at 1080p 24 fps is amazing on my Sanyo Z2000. Words can't describe being able to get quality better than 95% of the movie theaters I've been to.

I have it integrated w/ my universal remote via the IR USB receiver from schmartz.com mentioned elsewhere, and it works perfectly. Only other possible complaint is DTS-MA HD, and since the core DTS track sounds so outstanding on its own I can't even deduct a 1/2 point from the overall PS3 as Blu-Ray player rating. An exquisite piece of electronic equipment.

(FYI I have the 20 GB version.)

Again, it does resume movies where one left off if you don't completely power down like most players.

My xbox resumes even if I take the disc out, and turn it off. Then turn it back on and re-insert disc 2 weeks later.

My xbox resumes even if I take the disc out, and turn it off. Then turn it back on and re-insert disc 2 weeks later.


PS3 can do the same. That is a different setting though. That is having the xbox or ps3 set to start disc by default when powering on or upon insert.

We are talking about watching a BD or HD movie.

PS3 can do the same. That is a different setting though. That is having the xbox or ps3 set to start disc by default when powering on or upon insert.
no..... he's referring to watching half a movie, stopping, removing the disc, shutting down the "player", turning on the "player" a week later, reinserting the disc and having the movie resume from where he stopped it a week ago. :eek:

Many "players" do this, both software and hardware...

:cool:

8.5

Because of no IR (-0.5) nor DTS-MA (-0.5) and another 0.5 off because I want it to read disks faster (even though it's the fastest blu-ray player out there).

To all of you guys who rate it a "10," have you compared it to other BD players?

I only ask because it is definately NOT a 10 as far as playback quality goes - it is good, but far from perfect. The Panny's and Pioneers definitely have better playback quality.

I would rank it a 7.

no..... he's referring to watching half a movie, stopping, removing the disc, shutting down the "player", turning on the "player" a week later, reinserting the disc and having the movie resume from where he stopped it a week ago. :eek:

Many "players" do this, both software and hardware...

:cool:

Again most dvd players but NOT HD players.

To all of you guys who rate it a "10," have you compared it to other BD players?

I only ask because it is definately NOT a 10 as far as playback quality goes - it is good, but far from perfect. The Panny's and Pioneers definitely have better playback quality.

I would rank it a 7.


How much better and who is ranking it? There are many who own both and say the PS3 is as good and some even say better PQ. As far as the rest of the capabilities the PS3 seems to be better as in load times, etc.

Again most dvd players but NOT HD players.

As was mentioned before, the 360's HD-DVD player will do it.

Regardless, it is a feature that people are used to in their home movie players. Heck, even VCRs will do it (think about it ;) ). There is no reason that the PS3 can't do it. Hopefully it is a feature that will be added later.

It looks like the ps3 get mostly high marks. Are sony's BD players the same quality as the PS3? If not, why? Cant they just put the guts of the ps3 into an old DVD case and sell it to me as a Stand alone player so I do not have to listen to all the kids asking can I play a game? can I play a game? can I play a game?............:eek:

I'll probable get one tomarrow anyway. :D

To all of you guys who rate it a "10," have you compared it to other BD players?

I only ask because it is definately NOT a 10 as far as playback quality goes - it is good, but far from perfect. The Panny's and Pioneers definitely have better playback quality.

I would rank it a 7.

YES I have, and I disagree, atleast not with both the BD30 and PS3 set to 1080/24p. The BD30 definately DOES NOT have better PQ than the PS3 at 1080/24p. If the PS3 is a 7 at 1080/24p then so is the BD30 as they are identical from my comparison. The BD30 and Pioneer Elite have been compared by a few members as well and the result was that the 30 was atleast on par with the 95 as far as PQ goes, which means the PS3 would be as well from my comparison. I also own a Panasonic BD30 along with the PS3. At the request of a forum friend, I did an A/B PQ comparison between the PS3 and BD30 the other night (Friday) with trailers off of some Disney disks I own. I found trailers that were the same on 2 diferent discs and put one disc in the BD30 and one in the PS3. With many various scenes paused on the exact same frame/time stamp, I did an A/B comparison with my RS1 (which is known to be a very revealing projector) both going through HDMI shooting onto a 94" Studiotek 130. After 1.5 hours and also doing a blind test switching back and forth for my GF and having her give an opinion on which one looked better, we both came to the exact same conclusion....they were IDENTICAL. I literaly did A/B's for an hour and a half and could not find ANY difference between the BD30 and PS3 as far as PQ. The PS3 and BD30 are identical as far as PQ at 1080/24p from all my tests.

How much better and who is ranking it? There are many who own both and say the PS3 is as good and some even say better PQ. As far as the rest of the capabilities the PS3 seems to be better as in load times, etc.

Read my comparison above. The PS3 is on par with the BD30 PQ wise at 1080/24p which is considered one of the better standalones. I cant speak to 720p though which other players may have an advantage over the PS3. The ONLY advantages the BD30 has over my 60gb PS3 is less noise/heat and the ability to bitstream TrueHD and DTS-MA to my Onkyo 885. However I cant hear ANY difference between the PS3 decoding TrueHD to PCM and the BD30 bitstreaming TrueHD to my 885 to decode. The overall volume for TrueHD to PCM on the PS3 is about 4db less than the BD30 bitstreaming the TrueHD to the 885, but this is true with all PCM sources in my setup. Moving the PS3 volume slider one notch up from normal puts PCM reference volume at the same "0" mark on my 885 and at that point there is no difference between the PS3 and 30 with TrueHD. The 30 does have the advantage with DTS-MA since the PS3 cannot decode or bitstream. The PS3 does however have quite a few advantages over the 30. Load time is quicker, disc navigation (FF, RW, etc...) and menu response is noticably more fluid/smooth, I like the PS3 controler better than the BD30 remote, and the biggest advantage is the PS3 DOES NOT have the PCM LFE bug that the BD30 has. The BD30 has a serious LFE bug over HDMI where it plays the LFE channel off any PCM source (This affects the majority of lossless BR tracks as most of them are uncompressed PCM) 5db to low. This is not something that can be perfectly corrected for in the AVR if any of your main speakers are set to small since boosting the sub by 5db will also boost any redirected bass to the sub from the mains as well which will then bloat this bass.

Considering the 40gb PS3 supposedly reduces noise/heat considerably over my 60 from most reports, it makes it even better. Once you also factor in the fact that the PS3 is the ONLY future proof BR player on the market at this time since it is 1.1 and will be 2.0 (no other player can make both these claims RIGHT NOW) it is the BEST all around BR player on the market at this time, IF you dont need analog. If you need/want analog, look to the Pioneer 95 or wait for future players.

P.S. I have also had the Sony BDP-S301 at my house for comparison and If anything it was not as good as the PS3 PQ wise.

Huh? What bass management is there in the PS3?? If I send 5ch PCM to my Onkyo 705 via HDMI, it's still doing the bass management, AFAIK :confused:

:cool:

For Dolby D and DTS on my SD DVD's, the bitstream option sounds a bit better-bass is a bit more impactful. If I let the PS3 internally decode the audio, it doesn't have as much "thump" to it. I don't have anything to compare to with regards to TrueHD or DTS-MA, because I don't have a standalone HD player.

so you're talking about Bass Response, not Bass Management.... there is a HUGE difference :D

:cool:

so you're talking about Bass Response, not Bass Management.... there is a HUGE difference :D

:cool:

Yeah, I am talking about how it sounds when using the DD/DTS decoding in the receiver (via bitstream) versus passing the decoded PCM (via Linear PCM mode).

I think the root of the problem is that when streaming Multichannel PCM, the Onkyo 605 doesn't seem to apply the level settings or post-processing settings you have programmed in-however, it seems to apply them fine when using the DD/DTS decoders. I need to confirm this, though. Do you hear a difference between the receiver's decoder and the PS3's Multichannel PCM output on DD/DTS DVD's?

When I first bought it a year ago:
10/10


Now:
6/10

Mainly becasue I will be replacing it some time this year with a stand alone that can do HD audi formats as most people here have noted...
And like others not being able to use my Harmony with it.


By the end of this year (08) I suspect it would be a

4/10

10

9 because it's can't decode DTS-MA. Otherwise for me it'd be a 10.

Some people may want bitstreaming of advanced codecs so it may rate lower.