Will you buy it despite it being watered down? I have mixed feelings. I feel that I would purchase it and still think (whether good or bad) that I'm missing out on the real content that it was supposed to have and therefore, not be satisfied. On the other hand, it is still Manhunt so I expect some gruesome stuff.

I didn't vote because there was not an option that fit my reasoning. I was never a fan of manhunt, so I don't really have much interest in the sequel. Would it be too much to ask to have a simple yes no poll, and let the poster explain why he/she chooses either option? It seems almost all of the poll threads I go are very loaded polls.

i'd like a demo. ideally, i'd like a demo of every game out there.

Considering it is one of the options?

i'm getting it for the wii...

using the wiimote to bludgeon some fool? that's what i'm talkin "bout!

I'd say there's a 50/50 chance of a code in the game that will uncensor it, and almost a 100% chance that someone will come up with GameShark / AR codes to uncensor it...

- Jer

I just saw the new trailer for this bad boy and it has piqued my interest again.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26996.html

Anyone know whatever happened to the comparison video IGN used to have up of the before and after the censor hammer hit? I'd really like to get an idea of how much they've tweaked it. I was a fan of the first one because it pushed the envelope not only in the gore factor but the premise was interesting as well. I don't want to get #2 if all it is is a watered down version for the kiddies. The first one was brutal. Very, very brutal.

I'd say there's a 50/50 chance of a code in the game that will uncensor it, and almost a 100% chance that someone will come up with GameShark / AR codes to uncensor it...After the trouble they got in with Hot Coffee, I will go on record saying there is a zero percent chance of either of these things happening.

Actually, I doubt they had to cut one big single thing, it was probably a lot of little changes spread across the game.

Anyway, I wish there was an option on the poll for "The game is disgusting and I wouldn't buy it regardless".

Actually, I doubt they had to cut one big single thing, it was probably a lot of little changes spread across the game.


What they did to get the "M" rating was change the highest execution animations. Instead of being completely visible as they were in the original game and in the initial build of 2, they are now blurry, dark and sketchy. Could add to the atmosphere of it but I've read two articles that say it kind of ruins the point.

For the curious, here's the censoring tool in action:
http://psp.ign.com/articles/830/830495p1.html

That is pretty lame. I'll still buy the game though.

Agreed. I feel it's too hard to tell from those short snippets if it really effects the gameplay or the overall experience. I plan on getting it on the PSP so I guess I'll know in about a week. Hopefully some territory will get an uncensored version that can be imported because I would like to play the game as originally intended.

After the trouble they got in with Hot Coffee, I will go on record saying there is a zero percent chance of either of these things happening.And Bzzzzzzzt! I'm wrong: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=30168.

I am really shocked that Rockstar did this again. It will be very interesting to see what the ESRB does -- if they don't come down on TT/Rockstar like a ton of bricks it really points to the ESRB being a giant paper tiger.

I think that kind of game is disturbing and sick.
Yet, any adult should be free to play it if they want to.

Nope, was interested in it before but the pointless blur/color-morph effect on the highest death animations are gonna make it a no-go for me and I won't support BS censoring especially with far worse content in the movie industry somehow being able to earn R ratings.

And Bzzzzzzzt! I'm wrong: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=30168.

I am really shocked that Rockstar did this again. It will be very interesting to see what the ESRB does -- if they don't come down on TT/Rockstar like a ton of bricks it really points to the ESRB being a giant paper tiger.

I think this is a slightly different situation because it takes SIGNIFICANTLY more work to make it happen. Hot Coffee was a scandal because the game was never modified, just a cheat code on the PC version to see the content that was left in there. This is different because you're REMOVING content to see it without an effect. Sadly, I don't think the media or the ESRB will see it that way.

i think i will buy it for wii and PSP. i was thinking abotu it today when i was in best buy. but now i think i will get it definately :)

I won't buy it because it's a average game in a season of great games.

I never even considered buying the game

Don't need it, don't want it.

www.maxconsole.net posted a link to a list of Gameshark/ActionReplay codes last night that allows the game to be played uncensored without having to mod your playstation! I think that now knowing I can play the game it was ment to be seen will convince me to buy it.

/ Can you use the Gameshark/ActionReplay on a PS3 ???

I won't buy it because it's a average game in a season of great games.

Exactly how I feel.

Stupid poll.

Where is the option for voting: "No, I don't buy stupid games"?


If this game didn't have sadistic violence, and the ESRB controversy surrounding it, no one would be talking about it. No one.


The people who are excited by this, are the exact same consumers they market those "Unrated versions" of DVD's too. Just the suggestion that you might see boobs in that movie drives some people to buy it. Same thing with Manhunt. They tell you they're going to make the craziest, most insane killing game ever, and some people are just drawn to it for the shock value. They're never going to sell the game on the fac that it plays wonderfully, or it looks amazing, they're just selling shock value. The lowest common denominator in the marketing business.

Stupid poll.

Where is the option for voting: "No, I don't buy stupid games"?


If this game didn't have sadistic violence, and the ESRB controversy surrounding it, no one would be talking about it. No one.


The people who are excited by this, are the exact same consumers they market those "Unrated versions" of DVD's too. Just the suggestion that you might see boobs in that movie drives some people to buy it. Same thing with Manhunt. They tell you they're going to make the craziest, most insane killing game ever, and some people are just drawn to it for the shock value. They're never going to sell the game on the fac that it plays wonderfully, or it looks amazing, they're just selling shock value. The lowest common denominator in the marketing business.

Actually, that's not the case at all. Whether the game is good or not is up for debate, but the censoring of the high level kills (which, I might add, were NOT censored in the first version) ruins the game. The entire pay-off of the game is based around pulling off those kills, which you now cannot see in the retail verison of the game. Anyone who played the first version of the game knows this and also knows that it was a pretty decent game. I haven't played the second one yet (I refuse to consume what the ratings board deems is fit for me in this instance) so I can't make a judgement call on whether it is good or not. It's gotten favorable reviews, with many saying the first was better - a big piece of that being that the major payoff in the game is nearly non-existent.

Stupid poll.

Where is the option for voting: "No, I don't buy stupid games"?


If this game didn't have sadistic violence, and the ESRB controversy surrounding it, no one would be talking about it. No one.


The people who are excited by this, are the exact same consumers they market those "Unrated versions" of DVD's too. Just the suggestion that you might see boobs in that movie drives some people to buy it. Same thing with Manhunt. They tell you they're going to make the craziest, most insane killing game ever, and some people are just drawn to it for the shock value. They're never going to sell the game on the fac that it plays wonderfully, or it looks amazing, they're just selling shock value. The lowest common denominator in the marketing business.

Actually I was interested in the Wii version because the motion controls actually made it seem like it would be pretty fun.

No voting option for me but I have manhunt 2 coming from gamefly. If this game plays anything like Godfather or GTA before it, its a pass. I dont really care if theres AO content or not. Its the gameplay. So far I dont like how its the same feeling from previous RS releases.

I never wanted the game. I will say all this controversy has piqued my interest but not enough to buy it just to see what all the hubbub was about.

I never wanted the game. I will say all this controversy has piqued my interest but not enough to buy it just to see what all the hubbub was about.

Yeah, if you really want to get your "fix", you can easily just see the clips on youtube.

www.maxconsole.net
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=747753#post747753
(Master code)
BEJN-K57U-5GVXW
YUC1-E0FJ-P4N2D

KILL CENSORSHIP CODES:
EZYR-0P9Q-D0104

Super Censored Kills
3K0Z-BUZX-N27FA
WZQG-ERXF-CWY6Z
N4WM-KGT2-HQ2TD
3D7F-UUU7-AMA5Y

Directors Cut Kills
DFQN-CHKV-2U4YV
ERZU-PFXF-GEVFV
2QZW-R8CU-G6CEK
CMAC-VBPP-07K04

Clear Cam Directors Cut Kills
BG9E-YXGY-E5Z3C
BKVD-VUDF-194T6
ERZU-PFXF-GEVFV
2QZW-R8CU-G6CEK
CMAC-VBPP-07K04

Fully Nonfiltered Gore mode
C4YM-Y58R-VEFZ5
AD88-9B7Z-DZNYW
F2YC-1RXV-YVZE5
BKVD-VUDF-194T6
ERZU-PFXF-GEVFV
2QZW-R8CU-G6CEK
CMAC-VBPP-07K04
above are encryption for ARmax (do not forget m code). Below are raw hex address for kill flashing filter

Super Censored Kills
0x005BCBF0 00000000
0x005BCBF4 00000000
0x005BCBF8 00000000

Directors Cut Kills
0x005BCBF0 42C80000
0x005BCBF4 42C80000
0x005BCBF8 42C80000

Clear Cam Directors Cut Kills
0x005B2068 00000000
0x005BCBF0 42C80000
0x005BCBF4 42C80000
0x005BCBF8 42C80000

I will not buy this game. Censorship offends me.

need that code for the wii...

any word on if there is a wii code yet?

My vote is no, but not because I'm upset about it being censored (although I am no fan of censorship), but for the same reason that I don't plan on buying Saw I, II, III or IV... I just don't see the appeal of blood and guts.

My vote is no, but not because I'm upset about it being censored (although I am no fan of censorship), but for the same reason that I don't plan on buying Saw I, II, III or IV... I just don't see the appeal of blood and guts.

Interestingly enough I really hate movies like Saw and Hostel but have no problem with excessively and pointlessly violent games like Manhunt. I think it's because I hate watching realistic depictions of incredibly disgusting and disturbing tortuous murders that polygons don't depict in quite the same way Hollywood can. I also really hate listening to people cry and scream because they're in so much pain and agony because they're being murdered and/or raped in horrific ways I couldn't imagine whereas in Manhunt all you get is a couple muffled grunts when you're watching you're poorly rendered polygonal enemies get massacred.

Funny the government is so much more interested in censoring the latter as opposed to the former.

The people who are excited by this, are the exact same consumers they market those "Unrated versions" of DVD's too. Just the suggestion that you might see boobs in that movie drives some people to buy it. Same thing with Manhunt.

Translation: "I've never played either game, but based on exaggerated media coverage I'll make a lot of ill-informed assumptions and try to sound cool by preemptively bashing anyone who disagrees with me." :rolleyes:

- Jer

Translation: "I've never played either game, but based on exaggerated media coverage I'll make a lot of ill-informed assumptions and try to sound cool by preemptively bashing anyone who disagrees with me." :rolleyes:

- Jer

I have to admit I would look at someone differently if I knew they enjoy playing games where the main protagonist kills people in the manner Manhunt and Manhunt 2 display.

I don't know what kind of noble psychological need or instinctual physical need those games cater to.

I don't know what they say about people who enjoy playing them.

Therefore, I'll keep pretending it's better to have people play these games than to catch them doing what is shown in them.

I have to admit I would look at someone differently if I knew they enjoy playing games where the main protagonist kills people in the manner Manhunt and Manhunt 2 display.

Replace "playing games" with "reading books" or "watching movies" and see if your comment still makes sense to you. Should I assume that you and Tigerriot have never watched a horror movie, read a Stephen King novel, or enjoyed consuming any form of entertainment that had extreme violence in it? Should we look with suspicion at anyone who's enjoyed a gritty crime drama or a gory war film, too? Gimme a break.

I'm really glad that I live in a country where unpopular expression is mostly protected by law, because the prudish, condescending majority has no business telling me what I should and shouldn't be able to enjoy, as long as no one's getting hurt in the process.

- Jer

Replace "playing games" with "reading books" or "watching movies" and see if your comment still makes sense to you. Should I assume that you and Tigerriot have never watched a horror movie, read a Stephen King novel, or enjoyed consuming any form of entertainment that had extreme violence in it? Should we look with suspicion at anyone who's enjoyed a gritty crime drama or a gory war film, too? Gimme a break.

I'm really glad that I live in a country where unpopular expression is mostly protected by law, because the prudish, condescending majority has no business telling me what I should and shouldn't be able to enjoy, as long as no one's getting hurt in the process.

- Jer

+1

Replace "playing games" with "reading books" or "watching movies" and see if your comment still makes sense to you. Should I assume that you and Tigerriot have never watched a horror movie, read a Stephen King novel, or enjoyed consuming any form of entertainment that had extreme violence in it? Should we look with suspicion at anyone who's enjoyed a gritty crime drama or a gory war film, too? Gimme a break.

I'm really glad that I live in a country where unpopular expression is mostly protected by law, because the prudish, condescending majority has no business telling me what I should and shouldn't be able to enjoy, as long as no one's getting hurt in the process.

- Jer

+1, well said dude well said

Replace "playing games" with "reading books" or "watching movies" and see if your comment still makes sense to you. Should I assume that you and Tigerriot have never watched a horror movie, read a Stephen King novel, or enjoyed consuming any form of entertainment that had extreme violence in it? Should we look with suspicion at anyone who's enjoyed a gritty crime drama or a gory war film, too? Gimme a break.

I'm really glad that I live in a country where unpopular expression is mostly protected by law, because the prudish, condescending majority has no business telling me what I should and shouldn't be able to enjoy, as long as no one's getting hurt in the process.

- Jer

I am sorry, but "playing games" or "reading books" falls under the "noble psychological need" category. Pretending to extract someone's eyeballs with an icepick doesn't.

I love it how you pretend to teach me "tolerance" by asking me to "give you a break" for disagreeing with you.

Thread = derailed.

I didn't think it was a "judge me by the games I play" type of thread. What games some other dude isn't really any of your business or the ESRB's, which is the original point of the thread...I think. The petty arguing and judging has made me forget.

Let me ask you, Dralt, what if I play Call of Duty? Does that make me a horrible human being, too? I mean, as a sniper it's my job to shoot someone between the eyes. Or I can corner them in a room and blow them to bits with a grenade. What's the difference? It's death, it's gory. The vehicle is different.

Thread = derailed.

I didn't think it was a "judge me by the games I play" type of thread. What games some other dude isn't really any of your business or the ESRB's, which is the original point of the thread...I think. The petty arguing and judging has made me forget.

Let me ask you, Dralt, what if I play Call of Duty? Does that make me a horrible human being, too? I mean, as a sniper it's my job to shoot someone between the eyes. Or I can corner them in a room and blow them to bits with a grenade. What's the difference? It's death, it's gory. The vehicle is different.

The difference is that in Call of Duty you're fighting for survival, not sadistically relishing the chance to rip someone's testicles off with a pair of pliers...

The difference is that in Call of Duty you're fighting for survival, not sadistically relishing the chance to rip someone's testicles off with a pair of pliers...


Is that still in the game? Consider 2 sold!!! (one PS3 and One Wii!!!) can't wait to pinch and twist!!!!

Last review I read of Manhunt 2, you're fighting for survivial as well. Not only do people by into the hype of this game, they buy into the misinformation too.

I am sorry, but "playing games" or "reading books" falls under the "noble psychological need" category. Pretending to extract someone's eyeballs with an icepick doesn't.
Thank you, Mr. Universal Arbiter. :rolleyes:

I love it how you pretend to teach me "tolerance" by asking me to "give you a break" for disagreeing with you.
No, I was asking you to give me a break from the expectation that I should swallow your hypocritical argument. You had every right to voice it, and I had every right to point out its flaws. Simple enough.

- Jer

Any adult should be free to play it if they want to.

Is that still in the game? Consider 2 sold!!! (one PS3 and One Wii!!!) can't wait to pinch and twist!!!!

Haha:D

Any adult should be free to play it if they want to.

Exactly what I said.

Interestingly enough I really hate movies like Saw and Hostel but have no problem with excessively and pointlessly violent games like Manhunt. I think it's because I hate watching realistic depictions of incredibly disgusting and disturbing tortuous murders that polygons don't depict in quite the same way Hollywood can. I also really hate listening to people cry and scream because they're in so much pain and agony because they're being murdered and/or raped in horrific ways I couldn't imagine whereas in Manhunt all you get is a couple muffled grunts when you're watching you're poorly rendered polygonal enemies get massacred.

Funny the government is so much more interested in censoring the latter as opposed to the former.


agreed... add to that list that i can't even stomach UFC.

agreed... add to that list that i can't even stomach UFC.

Glad you brought that up, because I'm the same way. I can stomach most fairly violent and gory movies(though have no interest in saw or hostel) because I know that I'm watching a movie. When I watch a ufc fight and it's looking like some guys arm is about to snap I can't watch it, I have to turn away/close my eyes, same when someone is bleeding profusely and being pummled. I find this much harder to watch because I know it's real. Video games are even more far off in fantasy land than movies. Even the best looking games don't look real, and the mere fact that you're controlling the action on a screen with a controller is contantly reinforcing that you're playing a game.

The ratings systems(movie and game) and many public and political figures would like to have you believe that the average person can't differentiate between reality and fantasy, which I think is complete ********. They constantly talk about how awful all the violence in video games and television/movies is, and how much it's affecting our children, but seem to turn a blind eye to our glorification of and willingness to engage in war, some of the most real and prevelant violence today. And while some of the war glorification takes place in the movie and game industry, it seems(with the movie industry especially) that they almost get a pass for the realistic depection of violence because it's a war movie, where as a movie that depicted the same amount of gore, but on a different subject would take much more heat.

I'm completely against censorship in all forms, however I do find it very interesting how censorship is slanted based on our political and religious interests.