HDM Rumor Thread Part Deux! Put all rumors here. [Text View]

DrDon

09-29-07, 11:37 AM

The first one ran so well, but got a bit long so, as we've done with the Insiders and News threads, we'll sort of start over with a few new rules and some old ones:

As before we expect intelligent posts of honest rumblings in the industry. The more credible sources you can cite, the better. However, you now ARE expected to cite a source. Link if possible. If you are uncomfortable citing a source or your source insists on anonymity, send the rumor to a mod FIRST so we can confirm the source.

Moderators have the right to question sources. Information supplied as a result of said requests will be kept confidential. If we're not satisfied, your post may be deleted. If you see your post deleted without notice, it's because we weren't satisfied that it met the criteria.

If it appears you're just posting to stir up flame, you may be suspended.

Anyone posting "I heRd therez BIG bad n00z 4 fanBOis in 24hrs" will be immediately booked on a one-way flight to Burma. In other words, no "teases." Unless, of course, you're a shapely blond in which case all teases need to be PM'd directly to Jon Spackman. CC mark and me.

Other rules added to this post as we think 'em up.

First Rumor Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=897356)

New Rumors Tracking Thread: Discuss it here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931103)

markrubin

09-29-07, 11:45 AM

Posting a new rumor: please use this template, which is still being updated

rumor:

my source is.......

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I have [have not] sent additional info to mods

Time frame til confirmation

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LarryChanin

09-29-07, 12:03 PM

Hi,

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the efforts of DrDon and Mark in taking on the challenges of moderating such a thread.

Thanks very much.

Larry

nyg

09-29-07, 12:20 PM

In other words, no "teases." Unless, of course, you're a shapely blond in which case all teases need to be PM'd directly to Jon Spackman. CC mark and me.

LOL! Never let it be said that the mods don't have a sense of humor.

I'm glad to hear that sources for rumors are required. Otherwise anyone and their mother can and do make flame bait up.

Michael Mullis

09-29-07, 01:19 PM

Rumor:

Dr. Don likes Shapely blonds!!

Link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11763726&postcount=1

Now, see how easy that is? ;)

PopcornReady

09-29-07, 01:26 PM

Unless, of course, you're a shapely blond in which case all teases need to be PM'd directly to Jon Spackman. CC mark and me.

Well, far be it for me to start a rumour, but am I reading to much in the use of "blond" here? Perhaps you meant "blonde"?

Do highlights count? ;)

webphilosopher

09-29-07, 04:23 PM

Hi,

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the efforts of DrDon and Mark in taking on the challenges of moderating such a thread.

Thanks very much.

Larry

Agreed. It's like getting wild chimpanzees to to sit at the table and use proper etiquette.

Thanks to the mods.

LonnyE

09-29-07, 04:46 PM

As before we expect intelligent posts of honest rumblings in the industry. The more credible sources you can cite, the better. However, you now ARE expected to cite a source. Link if possible. If you are uncomfortable citing a source or your source insists on anonymity, send the rumor to a mod FIRST so we can confirm the source.

Excellent move moderators. Thank you.

iontyre

09-29-07, 08:01 PM

Brunettes for me!

ricwhite

09-29-07, 10:07 PM

What the . . .

I did a search on google for "shapely blonds" and I got a link to this thread. :confused:

whippersnapper

09-29-07, 10:32 PM

mikemorel

09-30-07, 10:58 AM

Lee Stewart

09-30-07, 11:02 AM

What are the other 2 models listed? The 60 GB and the 80GB?

Wasn't there something "rumored" as a 120GB PS3?

mikemorel

09-30-07, 11:36 AM

What are the other 2 models listed? The 60 GB and the 80GB?

Wasn't there something "rumored" as a 120GB PS3?

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/10941/532/

"*CECHA01 (Original Model): 60GB Hard Disk
"*CECHE0 (Addition Model): 80GB Hard Disk"

mikemorel

09-30-07, 01:03 PM

rumor: Sony "Big Bang" Announcement (speculation PS3 new model)

my source is.......Gamepro (France)

Link (French): http://www.gamepro.fr/actualites/15361/sony-ps3/

English Translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2egamepro%2efr%2factualites%2f15361%2fson y%2dps3%2f

I have not sent additional info to mods

Time frame til confirmation: October 12th

your certainty level of confirmation[scale 1-10]: 5

Comments

Indeed, it seems that the dated October 12, 2007 one was chosen by Sony to make an enough important advertisement to be qualified in-house “big-bang”…

Kris Deering

09-30-07, 01:12 PM

I'm skeptical as to whether a $399 PS3 is going to help much with their Blu-ray position. The PS3 is already a considerable value at $499 for a Blu-ray player. PS3 sales haven't been hurting because of its ability as a game machine in my opinion, but rather from a complete lackluster of solid A games. I am sure Sony is lowering the price to entice gamers far more than HT enthuasists. The gaming market is a bigger win for them then the niche market HD resides in.

So by lowering the price to $399 they are now on a level playing field with the 360 and still higher than the Wii. Both have VERY solid A titles to offer and their bundles at some wherehouse stores are GREAT deals. I think Sony needs to concentrate on getting some really solid games out before they start worrying about their console price. Why would a gamer want to buy a console at the same or higher price than the competition if the competition has far better games to play?? PS2 had the advantage of A LOT of great games and plenty of second and third party support that MS didn't have, that isn't the case with the 360 anymore.

Should be interesting to see how the holidays play out. With Halo 3 out there and Mario Galaxy on the way (along with Metroid out there) Sony has some STIFF competition in the console war.

tormond

09-30-07, 01:15 PM

What are the other 2 models listed? The 60 GB and the 80GB?

Wasn't there something "rumored" as a 120GB PS3?

The CECHB01 is the 20GB one (I just looked at my box) so that isn't it either

shamus

09-30-07, 01:39 PM

RDJAM, Im anxiously awaiting the 30 days and wondering if everything is still on track from here....
But there's a lot more info - however, I have been asked nicely by my sources to hold the rest of the info for 30 days... I hope you understand it's in the best interests of HD DVD that I do this, folks...

Suffice to say, tho, I do know what the first 51 Gig title is likely to be
-rdjam 09-08-07
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=897356&page=18

I can't wait!

The Doctor

09-30-07, 02:05 PM

rumor: New model PS3

my source is.......Kotatu

Link: http://kotaku.com/gaming/coming-soon/blu+ray-savings-page-lists-new-ps3-model-305242.php

I have not sent additional info to mods

Time frame til confirmation: Soon

your certainty level of confirmation[scale 1-10]: 9

Comments

http://kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/09/bluraysavings.jpg
source: engadget.com
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/ps3_fcc_lable_cropped.jpg

FCC reveals PS3 model CECHG01 -- the el cheapo 40GB PS3? (http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/26/fcc-reveals-ps3-model-cechg01-the-el-cheapo-40gb-ps3/)

Having just denied the existence of a low cost, entry level PS3, we weren't expecting to find a new PS3 model from Sony parked in the FCC exhibits list this morning. That's right, a new PlayStation 3 model CECHG01 was just unearthed. The juiciest of documents are all withheld upon Sony's request for confidentiality. However, we did manage to scrape up a few details: Bluetooth 2.0+EDR; 802.11b/g WiFi; a 3.2GHz CPU clock speed just like other PS3s; 66MHz ATA, 133MHz ATA, 33MHz PCI and 750MHz SATA1; and a bevy of ports including USB, HDMI, and Ethernet. At least that what it looks like after combing through the data. Nothing new, eh? So the reason for the new model number is likely the result of a hard disk change given Sony's preference for unique models reflecting changes in storage. However, for all we know that could be an increase and not a decrease in capacity so we'll all have to hold tight for now and watch this unfold.

The Doctor

09-30-07, 02:31 PM

What are the other 2 models listed? The 60 GB and the 80GB?

Wasn't there something "rumored" as a 120GB PS3?
There was speculation back then the 80gb version was revealed that Sony might up the GB to compete with the 120gb XBox 360 elite .

The PS3 Model numbers:
20GB CECHB01.
60GB CECHA01
80GB CECHE01/CECHF01
European 60GB CECHC01,
European 20BG CECHD01 (never released.)

Source: Register Hardware UK (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/27/new_ps3_coming/)

Hint of next PS3 spied on web
Whether it's the rumoured 40GB cut-down model or not, there does appear to be a further Sony PlayStation 3 console in the works. The US Federal Communications Commission (FCC) website currently lists a PS3 with the model number CECHG01 and its certification as a 'good neighbour' wireless device.

Sony's US 60GB and 80GB PS3s have the model numbers CECHA01 and CECHE01/CECHF01, respectively. The now defunct 20GB version had the model number CECHB01. The European 60GB PS3 is CECHC01, we understand, with CECHD01 the code for European 20BG model that, ultimately, was never released.

So CECHG01 is next in the sequence. Of course, it could be a planned European 80GB console, but if that's the case, why is the US FCC evaluating it?

Sony smartly requested that the FCC withhold pictures and other details of the tested device, so we're left with nothing to go on beyond the rumoured 40GB hard drive.

Over here, Sony claimed the rumours were nothing but rumours - neither a confirmation nor a denial, and the company's usual comment when details of a real product have leaked out.

There's no doubt a 40GB model would be a little cheaper than the current 60GB PS3, but knocking 20GB off the hard drive capacity wouldn't inherently allow Sony to get the console's price down to £300 and certainly not £200.

Some folk have speculated that Sony might be about to drop the Blu-ray Disc drive from the low-end product, which could have a big impact on pricing. But that seems unlikely given Sony's keenness to use the console to drive take-up of the next-gen video disc format.

Brian Hampton

09-30-07, 04:11 PM

Came to post the big bang rumor but it's already up. If it is the reduced price PS3, I'm glad to see it's planned for the week before Transformers comes out becuase it could spur Blu Ray sales for that week. I'm hoping that pack in coupons.

-Brian

DrDon

10-01-07, 06:28 AM

Let's keep THIS thread to rumors and, perhaps, a quick comment or two about the rumor. Don't want it getting off topic and off track. Thanks.

mikemorel

10-01-07, 10:42 AM

From Arstechnica:

PlayStation 3 getting holiday makeover: $399 PS3 rumor has legs (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070930-playstation-3-getting-holiday-makeover-399-ps3-rumor-has-legs.html)

We also have a date to pin this information to: our sources tell us that the $399 PlayStation 3 hardware will launch on, or before, November 16. We're confident in this information, as our sources in this area have always given us accurate information in the past. The "sensitive information" in the FCC filing will go public 45 days from September 4, unless something changes. We're confident saying that Sony is readying a new low-priced weapon for the console wars, regardless. Frankly, we also think it makes good sense.

oregoncalfroper

10-01-07, 11:31 AM

Rumor From maxconsole http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=21329

But after reading the report a few days ago, I have more details to report on the new PlayStation 3, as I’ve obtained an un-edited copy of the initial FCC (Federal Communication Commission) report (below with the original 60GB version of the PS3). Here are the things to note that’s not in the previous reports on this topic:

1.) The new PS3 model uses less power than the other models. This one uses 3A (Power Measurement), while the older version use 3.3A and 3.2A respectively.

2.) The new PS3 will include a brand-new controller, most likely the recently announced Dual-Shock 3 (this is proven in the document)

3.) The new PS3’s Wi-Fi and Bluetooth hardware has seen a significant upgrade, possibly allowing for longer distances and even faster connections.

4.) I’ve heard dripplings of a 65nm chipset coming soon. Could this model be the very first in the line of quieter, less-power consuming PS3 models?

I’ve attached all of the images that I have below. But let’s get to the point… a 40GB PS3 for $399? Maybe. A new PS3 announced in the next two weeks? Count on it.

Better wifi and Blu Ray range and quieter for 399$, sounds like a winner to me!

DVDoctor

10-01-07, 01:55 PM

Sadly once a product fails to get the buzz and coolness factor that makes for winners these days, it never seems to regain, it becomes an uphill battle from then on, the Edsel syndrome. With Sony's repositioning of the PS3 more as the BD player, lack of games support, etc, it may increase sales, but not likely to make it a "winner" in the classic marketing sense

Buckeye911

10-01-07, 02:56 PM

ddelrio

10-01-07, 03:47 PM

If this really happens I will most likely be going format neutral. The only reasons I haven't picked up a PS3 yet is the fan noise and the lack of IR remote capablility. I'm not a gamer but I just might try a game or two along with watching movies.

I think I'll wait until I know the PS3 is definitely 2.0 profile capable.

2Channel

10-01-07, 03:53 PM

I think I'll wait until I know the PS3 is definitely 2.0 profile capable.

I think it's pretty likely it's capable. I'm interested to see a commitment from Sony that they'll provide an upgrade to 2.0.

mproper

10-01-07, 04:02 PM

I think it's pretty likely it's capable. I'm interested to see a commitment from Sony that they'll provide an upgrade to 2.0.

Good luck with that. Less than 31 days away from the 1.1 "deadline" and they haven't even confirmed the PS3 will be updated for that, let alone 2.0. I assume they'll wait until after the holidays to avoid bad publicity in the crucial Q4 runup (by making consumers more aware of the profile issues).

I too am waiting for an formal announcement/confirmation before I plunk down that kindof change. I'm not really made of money.....only my left leg is, but I use that to pay the mortgage.

mikemorel

10-01-07, 04:31 PM

I think it's pretty likely it's capable. I'm interested to see a commitment from Sony that they'll provide an upgrade to 2.0.Given that PS3 accounts for 95% of all BD players, then whatever the PS3 is, that is the blu-ray spec. There will be nothing that players can do that the PS3 cannot, because no one would make software that doesn't play on the PS3.

Brian Hampton

10-01-07, 04:39 PM

I don't want to clutter the rumor thread out of specified format but Mike is right.

That's one reason I bought a PS3.

And,.. it can be confusing when you mention updates to 2.0 because Ps3 owners have been waiting for Firm Ware 2.0 which is due this month or next.

-Brian

ddelrio

10-01-07, 04:50 PM

My point is that the idea that the PS3 will be 2.0 profile compliant is still speculation. It's a rumor. For that reason, it belongs in this thread--just make sure to include a link to back it up. ;)

PFC5

10-01-07, 06:46 PM

Will they spend the extra 50 cents to add a IR receiver with this model so it would with the remotes the rest of the industry works with?

There is absolutely NO reason not to have this and it is what ticks me off most about the PS3 as a BD player. Well besides the lack of actual games, that is. ;)

kkozma

10-01-07, 06:52 PM

What difference does it make really? Without a must have game, they can make all the $399 PS3's they want. They'll sit on shelves and collect dust just like the stacks and stacks of $499 & $599 sku's. Regardless, if this budget PS3 shows up without backwards compatibility like I've heard will be the case, then they'll sell even less of them.

So yeah, a few geeks here at AVS may pick one up for a BD player, but do we need to bring up the "how many PS3's are used for movies" arguement AGAIN?

rx-8

10-01-07, 07:10 PM

PFC5

10-01-07, 07:15 PM

Funny thing is we are asking about ADDING things that are a shortcoming on the more expensive PS3 models, and I highly doubt they will even have as much as the previous models. This new model will just be stripped down more not add things that were missing that SHOULD have been included. :D

homerx

10-01-07, 08:31 PM

here is a picture of the wal*mart 2007 home entertainment book. page 31.this book is given to the workers to help them answer questions about electronics, however this paragrah seems very pro blu. infact the previous page only shows the samsung bd-p1000 and sony bdp-s300. wether or not they or pro blu or not is unknown. as this book maybe out of print already. prehapps any deal wal*mart made with HD-DVD is so secret they dont say it here but who knows. but, if this is what the workers are reading im afraid more pro BD sellers may come. wether they know the facts or not.
like i see the sony still suports BD as of this printing

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w99/homerxtreme/walmartblu.jpg

mikemorel

10-01-07, 08:39 PM

What about analogue outputs for lossless sound?Doesn't affect software development (authoring of movies).

dildatonr

10-01-07, 08:59 PM

Given that PS3 accounts for 95% of all BD players, then whatever the PS3 is, that is the blu-ray spec. There will be nothing that players can do that the PS3 cannot, because no one would make software that doesn't play on the PS3.

dude, there's already things other players can do that the PS3 can't. I just sold my 3rd PS3 ( yes I have sickness). I bought the Sammy 1400. The 2 major things it can't do that irked me is fully decode DTS-HD MA or have IR capability.
Just because a lot of people own it,doesn't mean the hardware is some how magically able to be changed via firmware upgrades. Somethings MIGHT be, but the virtue of it's popularity has nothing to do with the hardware that it was made with. Keep in mind "most" consumers bought this as a game machine - not a home theater piece and Sony will first and foremost cater to that base anyways.

rx-8

10-01-07, 09:01 PM

Doesn't affect software development (authoring of movies).

You stated there would be nothing that players could do that the PS3 could not. If software development is what you were referring to, I suggest that you edit your original post for accuracy purposes. ;)

cdzie1

10-01-07, 09:20 PM

rob71

10-01-07, 09:23 PM

It shows Paramount as supporting Blu-ray, so we know it's a few months old at least.

Read the last paragraph again.;)

Buckeye911

10-01-07, 09:31 PM

Read the last paragraph again.;)

I agree that the book is at least a few months old. I believe the last paragraph, considered with the rest of the page, clearly indicates this was published during the period of Paramount neutrality.

rob71

10-01-07, 09:43 PM

robena

10-01-07, 09:56 PM

Will they spend the extra 50 cents to add a IR receiver with this model so it would with the remotes the rest of the industry works with?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16879213018

homerx

10-01-07, 10:10 PM

I'm just more woried as this is what they are refuring to right now. So it make it seem as BD is the only way to go. Rather then a more middle ground look on the war. Giving both formats a fare look. So the what the workers learn will allow them to tell their buyers what they know prehapps even show them

dildatonr

10-01-07, 10:32 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16879213018

a pretty shoddy way to solve a very obvious oversight for the average HT consumer.

Brian Hampton

10-01-07, 10:42 PM

David F

10-01-07, 11:03 PM

I agree that the book is at least a few months old. I believe the last paragraph, considered with the rest of the page, clearly indicates this was published during the period of Paramount neutrality.

Um, Paramount was never neutral. They switched from BD exclusivity to HD DVD exclusivity, which means the Wal Mart manual in VERY recent.

Steverhcp02

10-01-07, 11:08 PM

Rumor:This appears to be some kind of pre order price, and there is much confusion over it. Venture rep confirms MSRP is 199.99 Target can of course sell it for what they want, but expect a possible price adjust once they get it in stock.

wow, you realize that just posting what someone said before different news comes out, preceeded by the word rumor is not really a debunking and/or rumor....

So you talked to this rep and he told you this was a special "more expensive preorder price" Did you talk to a rep who said there is "confusions form target" Do you have a link to show us that would lead us to believe that the words you typed after "Rumor:" are anything more than you speaking from nothing other than what you want to believe?

Ezra

10-01-07, 11:13 PM

Um, Paramount was never neutral. They switched from BD exclusivity to HD DVD exclusivity, which means the Wal Mart manual in VERY recent.

Eh? Me thinks you should rethink this statement.

The last paragraph in the Blu-ray section states that "seven of the eight major studios support Blu-ray" and they list Paramount, it is obviously dated....

wakashizuma

10-01-07, 11:14 PM

Um, Paramount was never neutral. They switched from BD exclusivity to HD DVD exclusivity, which means the Wal Mart manual in VERY recent.

Paramount was HD DVD exclusive. Then they switched to Format Neutral (Mission Impossible 3 on both formats anyone?) and then they dumped Blu-ray and went HD DVD exclusive.

hd nOOb

10-01-07, 11:18 PM

Um, Paramount was never neutral. They switched from BD exclusivity to HD DVD exclusivity, which means the Wal Mart manual in VERY recent.

I'm sorry Dave but Paramount was HD DVD only then went netural, then back to HD DVD exclusivly.

2Channel

10-01-07, 11:42 PM

Um, Paramount was never neutral. They switched from BD exclusivity to HD DVD exclusivity, which means the Wal Mart manual in VERY recent.

So as others have stated, Paramount was never BD exclusive. Originally Paramount, Warner and Universal were behind HD DVD. Before the formats launched, Paramount and Warner decided to go neutral. Universal stayed exclusive to HD DVD. Recently Paramount decided to drop BD and put their support just behind HD DVD, like Universal. Warner is still neutral.

If you think the manual is recent, can you explain why they also list Warner with Universal and Paramount? They're mention of the three studios is likely in the context of major studios releasing in HD DVD, as opposed to exclusive support.

I'm looking forward to those Venturer players showing up in Walmart. :D

Winn

10-01-07, 11:46 PM

The Wal*Mart manual lists Warner and Paramount under both BD and HD DVD. Look at the paragraph before the HD DVD blurb.

PFC5

10-02-07, 01:10 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16879213018

Thanks for that link!

It certainly looks better than that Mickey Mouse solution with the PS2 remote setup. $15.00 isn't bad either, but all Sony had to do was spend 50 cents for a complete solution. Too bad it doesn't have a power control so it can be easy for my family with the Harmony remote.

I think Sony is pulling their usual "Do it MY WAY" crap with this lack of a decision. IR is the industry standard so why did they leave it out? I bet Sony ownsd some patents to Bluetooth don't they? :mad :p

porsche1207

10-02-07, 02:22 AM

HD-DownUnder

10-02-07, 03:02 AM

rdjam

10-02-07, 03:12 AM

I think that's probably an old BDA "trainging" piece, like they give out at Blockbuster. And yes, it's old.

porsche1207

10-02-07, 05:37 AM

HD DVD burner coming soon...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/toshibas-vardia-rd-rx7-hd-dvd-recorder-burns-hd-video-to-dvd-t/1#c7925261

Grubert

10-02-07, 06:33 AM

HD DVD burner coming soon...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/toshibas-vardia-rd-rx7-hd-dvd-recorder-burns-hd-video-to-dvd-t/1#c7925261

That's not an HD DVD burner. From the engadget post:

The RD-RX7 [...] is also capable of recording HD video to, wait for it, non-HD DVD DVDs (aka regular DVDs, like the kind your mom finally just got last month).

:D

philnerd

10-02-07, 07:04 AM

That's not an HD DVD burner. From the engadget post:

:D

Are you sure it doesn't offer burning of HD video to DVD *and* HD DVD?

Apparently Toshiba can even fit about 2 hours of HD video onto old school DVD media with "HD Rec technology", which ain't too bad compared to the 6 hours of HD video it gets on an HD DVD

SlapnutsGT

10-02-07, 07:15 AM

Thanks for that link!

It certainly looks better than that Mickey Mouse solution with the PS2 remote setup. $15.00 isn't bad either, but all Sony had to do was spend 50 cents for a complete solution. Too bad it doesn't have a power control so it can be easy for my family with the Harmony remote.

I think Sony is pulling their usual "Do it MY WAY" crap with this lack of a decision. IR is the industry standard so why did they leave it out? I bet Sony ownsd some patents to Bluetooth don't they? :mad :p

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8208389&st=ps3+remote&lp=3&type=product&cp=1&id=1165610937857

I have this remote and I think it works great

homerx

10-02-07, 07:33 AM

The Hd-dvd burner could be interesting. It may be DVD recording only. But i d imagne shorter HQ recording could look very good. Say 1/2 to 1 hour. With how cheep blank dvds are this might be alright. Will it do duel layer burning. And does it have a ATSC tunner.
Might be nice for a few of those HDnet shows. Or some primetime stuff that may not come to HDM for some time

To bad it dosent also burn to HD-DVD blanks.

AndytheScientist

10-02-07, 07:48 AM

Are you sure it doesn't offer burning of HD video to DVD *and* HD DVD?

Apparently Toshiba can even fit about 2 hours of HD video onto old school DVD media with "HD Rec technology", which ain't too bad compared to the 6 hours of HD video it gets on an HD DVD

That's the way i read it too, very confusing story though!

It's also intersting as it contains an HDD, this could be perfect for bigger HD downloads from web content :)

Kosty

10-02-07, 07:50 AM

Rumor - The $199 Chinese Venturer HD DVD player will sell for at least $249 instead

Source - First site to sell them appears to be Target at the following link

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-1/qid=1191291754******sr_1_1/601-1627569-7679301?ie=UTF8&asin=B000W7O43U

Confidence - High,.. The players on sale now at more then what was thought to be MSRP.As I said in the Target thread on the subject it is most likely that this is what is known as a price establishment precedent , so they can later claim that it was once sold at that price when they announce future discounts.

Ie, they can then say when they sell it at $199, thats a $50 savings from the original price, or at $179, thats $70 off the original price or at $149, that's $100 savings from the original price.

Makes sense at this stage when the HD A2 and HD A3 are $299 MSRP and $249 or so street.

They probably don't expect to sell to many direct from their web site.

MSRP is a Manufacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price

The practice is known as establishing a price precedent to support future promotions.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=916801

So Target is not Blu-ray hardware exclusive then........

Steverhcp02

10-02-07, 09:44 AM

As I said in the Target thread on the subject it is most likely that this is what is known as a price establishment precedent , so they can later claim that it was once sold at that price when they announce future discounts.

Ie, they can then say when they sell it at $199, thats a $50 savings from the original price, or at $179, thats $70 off the original price or at $149, that's $100 savings from the original price.

Makes sense at this stage when the HD A2 and HD A3 are $299 MSRP and $249 or so street.

They probably don't expect to sell to many direct from their web site.

MSRP is a Manufacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price

The practice is known as establishing a price precedent to support future promotions.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=916801

So Target is not Blu-ray hardware exclusive then........

seriously? They NEVER WERE. They NEVER CLAIMED TO BE. In store exclusively for hardware sans the 360 addon, even on the venturer listing it says not available in stores.

Only on this forum did that target end cap and in store stand alone hardware exclusivity turn into Target being "BD exclusive"....seriously actually READ the press releases.

Everdog

10-02-07, 09:49 AM

As I said in the Target thread on the subject it is most likely that this is what is known as a price establishment precedent , so they can later claim that it was once sold at that price when they announce future discounts.

Ie, they can then say when they sell it at $199, thats a $50 savings from the original price, or at $179, thats $70 off the original price or at $149, that's $100 savings from the original price.

Makes sense at this stage when the HD A2 and HD A3 are $299 MSRP and $249 or so street.

They probably don't expect to sell to many direct from their web site.

MSRP is a Manufacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price

The practice is known as establishing a price precedent to support future promotions.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=916801

So Target is not Blu-ray hardware exclusive then........

Was this reported earlier? Target will carry the Venturer HD DVD player!

That's big news. If they do carry it in store, I bet it will out sell the Sony at least 2:1.

Brian Hampton

10-02-07, 10:38 AM

Rumor- $399 PS3 confirmed by Best Buy Inventory data

Source http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/sonys-399-ps3-confirmed-by-best-buy/

In stock October 28.

Woodshed

10-02-07, 11:08 AM

Was there ever a date on the Target announcement other than the begin date of 10/31?

Do we know how long this exclusive is supposed to run?

The Reuters article says

"In a statement on Thursday, Sony Corp. (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research) said that Target (TGT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) will exclusively carry Blu-ray players "at least through the holiday season""

Take that for what you will.

Steverhcp02

10-02-07, 11:16 AM

Was this reported earlier? Target will carry the Venturer HD DVD player!

That's big news. If they do carry it in store, I bet it will out sell the Sony at least 2:1.

The link for the product says "not available in store" And NO, before you even try its not because its not available yet, its because it will not be available in the store.....i dont understand why people are in such denial over this...it was stated very simply in the Press Release. Target will ONLY carry the S300 as its hi def stand alone player this holiday, it will still carry HD DVD software and BD software and the 360 addon, it will still sell HD DVD players online, but in the store they will ONLY be promoting the S300 this holiday.......just once i wish people would read things instead of going by one persons post on a forum and piggy backing without looking at any facts.

BioSehnsucht

10-02-07, 03:55 PM

geko29

10-02-07, 04:05 PM

To bad it dosent also burn to HD-DVD blanks.
Read the article again:

Apparently Toshiba can even fit about 2 hours of HD video onto old school DVD media with "HD Rec technology", which ain't too bad compared to the 6 hours of HD video it gets on an HD DVD. It actually kind of leaves us wondering why the hell they're insisting we upgrade to HD DVD, dunnit? Oh, and the thing also supports HDMI out with 1080p/24, not unlike the other HD DVD recorder being shown off today (about which we've little info), the RD-A201. Enjoy.

Steverhcp02

10-02-07, 04:17 PM

You mean the press release that Sony made and Target didn't acknowledge or back up? I'd say not available in stores because it's not available at all yet (this is pre order) and in a month or so, it'll be "availability varies by location" or such.

gee, if a company made a claim like sony did about Target that wasnt true I could only imagine Target would deny the deal, wouldnt you?

Just because one company releases the press release doesnt mean the other doesnt approve....it would be rather redundant imo, to have every single ocmpany involved in every singlt negotiation or deal to releae a press statement all saying the same thing..

homerx

10-02-07, 05:24 PM

If it does HD-DVD blanks as well that's sweet. Now I wonder does it have a ATSC tunner or nothing. As I think all tunners must have a ATSC tunner or nothing.

But if you can record from commponet or HDMI in that would be great as I could record and keep TV shows on on BD or a long way from HDM like star wars, cliffhanger.

PaulGo

10-02-07, 07:06 PM

Panasonic: Blu-ray will win by New Year's Day
Exec predicts PS3's hi-def format will defeat Microsoft-backed HD DVD in next-gen disc format war.

CHIBA, Japan--The decisive battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD is at hand, says a prominent Panasonic exec.

Blu-ray manufacturers are going to start cutting prices and go out on a promotional binge this holiday season, Matsushita Electric Industrial's Kazuhiro Tsuga said during a briefing with reporters at Ceatec, a large tech trade show that started here Tuesday. At Matsushita, which is best known for its Panasonic brand name, Tsuga is an executive officer who oversees networking efforts, some home electronics technologies and overseas labs, and other areas.

By the end of the Christmas season or the end of the first quarter, the writing will be on the wall. The format war in earnest may last only another year, he predicted.

"The BD (Blu-ray disc) companies will try to do our best to promote Blu-ray," he said. "The studios want us to put money in to promote it."

He added: "By the end of the year, you will see good products with very good promotion."

The Blu-ray coalition is also working on ways to cut the price of slim Blu-ray drives and recorders to allow the technology to infiltrate notebooks and PCs.

And wouldn't you know it--Matsushita has new Blu-ray players on the way. The three models will handle 18 hours of full-HD programs on a dual-layer disc and will go on sale November 1 in Japan, according to Reuters.

Tsuga's no fan of combo players that conjoin Blu-ray and HD DVD features. Last year, he called the idea "stupid, stupid." He pretty much repeated the comment this year and said that Matsushita still has no plans for such a device.

He downplayed Paramount Pictures' commitment to release movies on HD DVD exclusively, saying it only lasts for 18 months, and argues that studios are going with HD DVD "because big money came" to them. (Microsoft, Toshiba, and Intel are the main backers of HD DVD.)

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6180227.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

From Gamespot. No additional information available. No additional information submitted to moderators.

2Channel

10-02-07, 07:19 PM

Panasonic: Blu-ray will win by New Year's Day

Ok, I have to ask, which New Year's Day? Also, when BDA members keep repeating something like "Blu-Ray Wins!" is that a rumor? or just more wishful thinking on their part?

I can picture CES 2008. PS3 kills HD DVD. They can even hand out the same Blu-Ray Today newsletters from last year.

theone2

10-02-07, 08:03 PM

Panasonic: Blu-ray will win..one day...probably...maybe:o....we are not sure:(

:D

PaulGo

10-02-07, 08:17 PM

Since it is not a fact that is why it was posted in the rumors thread. But we will see in a few months how true it is.

porsche1207

10-02-07, 09:53 PM

It's not a rumor...it is a prediction. It is not a rumor the Cubs will win the World Series...it is a prediction...and this prediction is redundent since they only make blu ray..of course that's who they think/hope will win. just as Parmount now predicts HD DVD to win. This is nothing more then free press...free PR for their product.

sharpyie

10-02-07, 10:41 PM

sodrock

10-02-07, 10:44 PM

As I said in the Target thread on the subject it is most likely that this is what is known as a price establishment precedent , so they can later claim that it was once sold at that price when they announce future discounts.

Ie, they can then say when they sell it at $199, thats a $50 savings from the original price, or at $179, thats $70 off the original price or at $149, that's $100 savings from the original price.

Makes sense at this stage when the HD A2 and HD A3 are $299 MSRP and $249 or so street.

They probably don't expect to sell to many direct from their web site.

MSRP is a Manufacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price

The practice is known as establishing a price precedent to support future promotions.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=916801

So Target is not Blu-ray hardware exclusive then........

Its has been established before that Target will still carry HD-DVD players on their website but not in stores.

sodrock

10-02-07, 10:47 PM

Sony drop backward compatibility in less expensive $399 PS3 to in an attempt to push BD hardware sales. Meaning PS and PS2 games wont be playable in the SKU. The less expensive 40GB SKU is also reported to come only with 2 USB ports and no HDMI.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20071002164424.html

In the link you quoted it does not mention anything about the lower cost PS3 unit lacking HDMI. That would be pointless at this stage with Sony's Full HD marketing and HDNA campaign. 2 usb ports and no memory card reader could make sense. But it would hardly be a realiable Blu-ray player without HDMI.

wipron

10-02-07, 10:56 PM

Its has been established before that Target will still carry HD-DVD players on their website but not in stores.

Link, please?

Enigma

10-02-07, 10:58 PM

In the link you quoted it does not mention anything about the lower cost PS3 unit lacking HDMI. That would be pointless at this stage with Sony's Full HD marketing and HDNA campaign. 2 usb ports and no memory card reader could make sense. But it would hardly be a realiable Blu-ray player without HDMI.I agree, a smaller disc, no card reader, and fewer usb ports would make sense. No HDMI would make no sense. I also don't believe the rumors wrt backwards compatibility and no WiFi. The WiFi thing seems pretty much settled by the FCC filing; and my guess is that the backwards compatibility thing is just a mistake, where someone mistook "no emotion engine for backward compatibility" for "no backward compatibility". There wouldn't be any cost savings from not doing the emulation thing like PS3 80gig (& European 60); and it would severely dampen sales from people looking to upgrade from PS2 to PS3 with the new lower price. IIRC the PS3 orininally sold for 299, so it's starting to look more like what people are used to. If PS2 games wouldn't play it'd be a non-starter.

sharpyie

10-02-07, 11:01 PM

In the link you quoted it does not mention anything about the lower cost PS3 unit lacking HDMI. That would be pointless at this stage with Sony's Full HD marketing and HDNA campaign. 2 usb ports and no memory card reader could make sense. But it would hardly be a realiable Blu-ray player without HDMI.

here it is :

http://kotaku.com/gaming/skubar/retailers-listing-40gb-ps3-backward-compatability-nixed-306294.php

In addition to Best Buy's internal documentation, European retailer Play is now soliciting interest on its web site for the PS3 40GB model, aka the CECHG01. Play specifies the console as having only 2 USB ports and being incompatible with PlayStation 2 games.

No confirmation on price yet, but the Best Buy documentation lists a $399 MRSP and we're hearing talk of 449 Euro for the newest model. We expect to learn more within the coming weeks.

sharpyie

10-02-07, 11:03 PM

I agree, a smaller disc, no card reader, and fewer usb ports would make sense. No HDMI would make no sense. I also don't believe the rumors wrt backwards compatibility and no WiFi. The WiFi thing seems pretty much settled by the FCC filing; and my guess is that the backwards compatibility thing is just a mistake, where someone mistook "no emotion engine for backward compatibility" for "no backward compatibility". There wouldn't be any cost savings from not doing the emulation thing like PS3 80gig (& European 60); and it would severely dampen sales from people looking to upgrade from PS2 to PS3 with the new lower price. IIRC the PS3 orininally sold for 299, so it's starting to look more like what people are used to. If PS2 games wouldn't play it'd be a non-starter.

a non HDMI cheap PS3 console makes sense perfectly as Sony struggle to maintain CE supports. The last thing they want is to further p1ssed off CEs by marketing a heavily subsidised BD player on the cheap ;)

sodrock

10-02-07, 11:03 PM

here it is :

http://kotaku.com/gaming/skubar/retailers-listing-40gb-ps3-backward-compatability-nixed-306294.php

I didn't disagree with the 2 USB ports and memory card reader. It was the no HDMI that I find hard to believe, and referring to your link there was no such mentioned evidence.

sodrock

10-02-07, 11:09 PM

Link, please?

My pleasure.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/26/target-to-only-sell-blu-ray-players-in-stores/

http://forevergeek.com/gadgets/target_goes_blu-ray_exclusive_in-store.php

http://gear.ign.com/articles/808/808350p1.html

Target Not Going Blu-ray Exclusive
Earlier reports on internet erroneous says HD-DVD.
by Gerry Block
July 26, 2007 - Earlier today word was spreading on the internet that the large retail chain Target had made Blu-ray its exclusive choice in the HD format war for selling in its brick-and-mortar outlets. The HD-DVD promotions group has now issued a statement on the news, noting that previous reports were in err as to the fact that an exclusive agreement had been made. Instead, the HD-DVD group points out, Sony has done nothing more than purchase an end cap at retail, as HD-DVD has done in stores like Best Buy and Circuit City.

An official statement was made by Ken Graffeo, the executive vice president of HD Strategic Marketing for Universal Home Entertainment:

"Target will continue to carry the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive as well as HD DVD titles so we don't see much of a change in their plans to carry both formats. In fact, they continue to sell Toshiba HD DVD players on their web site. Sony appears to have bought an end cap, just as HD DVD has in retail stores such as BestBuy and Circuit City.

What's important is that stand alone HD DVD players are still much more affordable than Blu-ray players, plus they offer a better experience - just compare titles appearing in both formats like "300" or "Blood Diamond." Ultimately consumers will be the ones that determine what format provides the greatest value."

The HD-DVD group has been somewhat embattled of late as Sony has achieved some recent successes in distributing Blu-ray through rental outlets, first securing an exclusive position at Blockbuster (story) and then cutting a profit sharing deal with Rentrak (story). Had a major retail outlet like Target actually gone totally Blu-ray exclusive it would have been a bad day indeed for HD-DVD.

Hope this clarifies. Target has continued to sell HD-DVD on its website. It is still unknown whether they are "exclusive" to Blu-ray at B&M locations.

brian1212

10-02-07, 11:21 PM

a non HDMI cheap PS3 console makes sense perfectly as Sony struggle to maintain CE supports. The last thing they want is to further p1ssed off CEs by marketing a heavily subsidised BD player on the cheap ;)

Considering the new Sharp Blu Ray player is already streeting for under $400 that argument holds no water:

http://www.parkaveelectronics.com/product.asp?itemid=SHABDHP20U&l=Froogle

2Channel

10-02-07, 11:23 PM

Considering the new Sharp Blu Ray player is already streeting for under $400 that argument holds no water:

http://www.parkaveelectronics.com/product.asp?itemid=SHABDHP20U&l=Froogle

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that Sharp player only work with a Sharp Aquos TV?

correction - I think I'm wrong on that. It's just branded Aquos. List price is $499.99, right?

http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Aquos-BDHP20U-Blu-Ray-Player/dp/B000W8SSXQ

sodrock

10-02-07, 11:27 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that Sharp player only work with a Sharp Aquos TV? I thought that was how it was announced.

As wonderful as the internet is, no one at AVS seems to find the answer themselves before posting nonsense.

You may be referring to a function called "Aquos Link" that allows the TV to control the player. I can see how this would be confused with an Aquos to Aquos only compatability. :rolleyes:

http://www.i4u.com/article11347.html

brian1212

10-02-07, 11:29 PM

sharpyie

10-02-07, 11:30 PM

sodrock

10-02-07, 11:33 PM

unless you are able to proove other wise, the Sharp player at $499 does not have dual function of gaming and HDM.

I believe Brian is referring ONLY to your speculation that the new PS3 SKU will have no HDMI and that if it did it wouldn't bode well with CE. Being a versatile player/game console is not the issue at hand with the last 10 posts.

sharpyie

10-02-07, 11:40 PM

I believe Brian is referring ONLY to your speculation that the new PS3 SKU will have no HDMI and that if it did it wouldn't bode well with CE. Being a versatile player/game console is not the issue at hand with the last 10 posts.

i was replying to the poster saying my argument did not hold water because Sharp has a player streeting <>$400. I pointed out that with that price a $399 HDMI PS3 is significantly value for money than the Sharp player because the PS3 player has a dual function. Removing the HDMI would certainly make sense because CEs will be less p1ssed off. dont you agree ?

brian1212

10-02-07, 11:41 PM

unless you are able to proove other wise, the Sharp player at $499 does not have dual function of gaming and HDM.

There seems to be some theory that Sony can't sell a PS3 that fully functions as a BD player for $400, or all the other standalone vendors would get upset.

That's just silly: Standalone Blu Ray players are already selling for less than the rumoured price of the new PS3 model.

True, the PS3 is a great value compared with any other standalone player, (including any other HD DVD player), or any other gaming console.

But standalone Blu Ray player prices will drop further and faster than the PS3 prices.

2Channel

10-02-07, 11:44 PM

I believe Brian is referring ONLY to your speculation that the new PS3 SKU will have no HDMI and that if it did it wouldn't bode well with CE. Being a versatile player/game console is not the issue at hand with the last 10 posts.

At $399 list, with BD playback (and assuming it has HDMI), doesn't PS3 continue to dominate all BD player sales? It's good for BD, but not so good for Panasonic, Pioneer, Sharp, Philips etc.

Could this be why Samsung recently canceled their high end BD player?

sodrock

10-02-07, 11:47 PM

i was replying to the poster saying my argument did not hold water because Sharp has a player streeting <>$400. I pointed out that with that price a $399 HDMI PS3 is significantly value for money than the Sharp player because the PS3 player has a dual function. Removing the HDMI would certainly make sense because CEs will be less p1ssed off. dont you agree ?

I see your point. And I would agree only if the PS3 hasn't always been teh least expensive fully functional player on the market. When it was released at $599 it trumped all players by at least $300 and it continues to be a value buy.

So to your point, I think CE expects the PS3 to be competitive and Sony to do what it takes for Blu-ray to be the next media format of choice. IMO.

PFC5

10-03-07, 01:53 AM

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8208389&st=ps3+remote&lp=3&type=product&cp=1&id=1165610937857

I have this remote and I think it works great

Thanks, but I bought a Harmony UNIVERSAL remote so that we only needed ONE remote, AND so that with just ONE button push, my 6 year old can have all inputs/outputs, and devices turn on and set up correcting in my HT.

That is exactly my point. Sony wants to change to a "standard" that THEY choose instead of the "INDUSTRY" standard of IR. There is NOT ONE universal remote out there that does Bluetooth.

Grubert

10-03-07, 10:42 AM

Spy photo:

http://xs220.xs.to/xs220/07403/399mm.jpg

sodrock

10-03-07, 10:50 AM

Spy photo:

http://xs220.xs.to/xs220/07403/399mm.jpg

What is this? Obviously that is a NOT a $ sign and that advertisement doesn't represent US Dollars. NOt sure what to make of this post and why its in this thread.

Woodshed

10-03-07, 10:50 AM

Spy photo:

http://xs220.xs.to/xs220/07403/399mm.jpg

What currency is denoted in that photo?

Grubert

10-03-07, 10:54 AM

What is this? Obviously that is a NOT a $ sign and that advertisement doesn't represent US Dollars. NOt sure what to make of this post and why its in this thread.

It's a euro (€) sign.

This is the rumor thread, isn't it? Well, this is about the rumored cheaper PS3 appearing on a pallet in a Dutch or Belgian MediaMarkt.

geko29

10-03-07, 11:10 AM

Grubert is right. PS3s cost the same number (not value) of Euros as they do USD. This may change in the future with consoles now on the P&Ls of the regional Sony divisions (Instead of SCEA-I), but at the moment, a $599 PS3 in the US means €599 in Europe. So likewise, a €399 PS3 means a $399 PS3.

If you don't believe us, head over to amazon.fr (http://www.amazon.fr/Console-Playstation-3-Starter-Pack/dp/B000TZ8RJC******pd_bbs_sr_1/171-9923893-3849045?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1191424652&sr=8-1), or amazon.de (http://www.amazon.de/PlayStation-3-Konsole-60-GB/dp/B0009PRCNO******pd_bbs_sr_1/028-4948990-7967769?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1191424692&sr=8-1) or one of the other international sites and see what a 60GB PS3 costs. You'll apparently be surprised to find it's €599, instead of the €425 you're obviously expecting.

Perhaps in the future it would be helpful to know WTF you're talking about before you insult someone eles's intelligence.

Brian Hampton

10-03-07, 11:13 AM

Add to that,.. that's one sweet pic. Can't wait for the $399 Ps3's. I have a 3 year coverage on mine but if it ever has a problem later on down the road it's nice that I can replace it for a good price.

Grubert

10-03-07, 11:14 AM

Yes, it does. The Euro is worth US$1.41 right now. That makes the price closer to US$564. But posting a number 399, MIGHT have worked if no one actually stopped to convert it ;)

Give me a freaking break. Consumer electronics get in Europe the same price figure in euros as what they get in dollars for the US - or maybe a little more.

For example, the Xbox 360 Elite is USD 449.99 in the US and EUR 448.89 in Germany.

The 60GB launched in Europe for EUR 599 (there was no 20GB) - and it got no price drop last summer.

BDP33

10-03-07, 11:19 AM

Give me a freaking break. Consumer electronics get in Europe the same price figure in euros as what they get in dollars for the US - or maybe a little more.

For example, the Xbox 360 Elite is USD 449.99 in the US and EUR 448.89 in Germany.

The 60GB launched in Europe for EUR 599 (there was no 20GB) - and it got no price drop last summer.

Wow that flat out sucks for European's then.

However when will Sony learn that software sells game consoles not hardware. They need to get back to their roots and get off this swiss army knife of a PS3. They can drop the price of the PS3 as much as they want but unless they start supporting it by releasing games I don't think the price drop will help them.

That is solely the reason I purchased an Xbox 360 Elite...better games, better online play. I can use my A20 to watch HD DVD.

Sorry but Sony's backwards agenda is clear with their bundling of a "blu-ray" movie with the $399 PS3. How about a game..lol

Grubert

10-03-07, 11:22 AM

Not to mention that the idea of the PS3 getting a price drop from $499 to $564 is downright lysergic. ;)

WayneL

10-03-07, 11:27 AM

Perhaps in the future it would be helpful to know WTF you're talking about before you insult someone eles's intelligence.
That's not nice. Do you expect this number to track along with the falling USD?

jkwest

10-03-07, 11:29 AM

Yes, it does. The Euro is worth US$1.41 right now. That makes the price closer to US$564. But posting a number 399, MIGHT have worked if no one actually stopped to convert it ;)

Wow that flat out sucks for European's then.

However when will Sony learn that software sells game consoles not hardware. They can drop the price of the PS3 as much as they want but unless they start supporting by releasing games I don't think the price drop will help them.

It really amazes me that you guys can bash and bash, but, you really have no idea on what goes on in the "real" world. If you have ever done any background checking on the PS3, you would have known this information.

Yes, Europe has been getting charged ALOT more for the PAL version. But, it has been this way since launch.

And I called false on the rumor of no HDMI and no backwards compatibility. Sony is first and foremost an electronics company backing a fledging media component, Blu-Ray. They know that HDMI is "required" to stay in the game...hell, even the cheapo Venturer has a HDMI port. They aren't stupid(unlike, what most of you think).

There is no way that Sony would drop "backwards compatibility". It is a huge selling point, I just think that it will be 100% emulation. No, that doesn't mean 100% compatibily...

A 40GB PS3 with two USB ports and no card reader at $399 is exactly what this system needs.

markrubin

10-03-07, 11:32 AM

Greetings

this is not a thread to discuss PS3 pricing

BDP33

10-03-07, 11:35 AM

It really amazes me that you guys can bash and bash, but, you really have no idea on what goes on in the "real" world. If you have ever done any background checking on the PS3, you would have known this information.

Yes, Europe has been getting charged ALOT more for the PAL version. But, it has been this way since launch.

And I called false on the rumor of no HDMI and no backwards compatibility. Sony is first and foremost an electronics company backing a fledging media component, Blu-Ray. They know that HDMI is "required" to stay in the game...hell, even the cheapo Venturer has a HDMI port. They aren't stupid(unlike, what most of you think).

There is no way that Sony would drop "backwards compatibility". It is a huge selling point, I just think that it will be 100% emulation. No, that doesn't mean 100% compatibily...

A 40GB PS3 with two USB ports and no card reader at $399 is exactly what this system needs.

The real world..lol. Any connection between your reality and mine would be purely coincidental.

What are the actual 100% confirmed specs of this $XXX PS3?

Grubert

10-03-07, 11:37 AM

Greetings

this is not a thread to discuss PS3 pricing

It's not PS3 pricing: it is rumors of a new PS3 model (which will have, among other differences, a lower official price).

Go to the first page and you'll see the majority of the posts being dedicated to the new PS3 model.

If mikemorel's rumor posts were okay, I can't see why mine aren't.

jkwest

10-03-07, 11:50 AM

The real world..lol. Any connection between your reality and mine would be purely coincidental.

What are the actual 100% confirmed specs of this $XXX PS3?

The RUMOR is that they will be here on the 12th.

Until then, we can only speculate.

Everdog

10-03-07, 11:52 AM

It's not PS3 pricing: it is rumors of a new PS3 model (which will have, among other differences, a lower official price).

Go to the first page and you'll see the majority of the posts being dedicated to the new PS3 model.

If mikemorel's rumor posts were okay, I can't see why mine aren't.

Since there are numerous threads already discussing this, wouldn't it be best to take the conversation there...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=142

Grubert

10-03-07, 11:56 AM

Since there are numerous threads already discussing this, wouldn't it be best to take the conversation there...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=142

Of course you would say that. :rolleyes:

rdjam

10-03-07, 11:58 AM

Give me a freaking break. Consumer electronics get in Europe the same price figure in euros as what they get in dollars for the US - or maybe a little more.

For example, the Xbox 360 Elite is USD 449.99 in the US and EUR 448.89 in Germany.

The 60GB launched in Europe for EUR 599 (there was no 20GB) - and it got no price drop last summer.That a very tenuous way to try to argue it, Grubert. No one has even given the SKU number of the unit in that picture, so to try to claim it is the new SKU just because they had a price drop is asking a bit much.

And adjust your tone a bit...

To get the best comparison, let's convert both prices to Japanese yen, to see how they compare:

399 Euro = 65,846 Yen
399 Dollars = 46, 589 Yen

The PS3s in the picture are a completely different price bracket, and there is no evidence to say it is a different SKU. All that's happened there is that they have given the PS3 a price cut, because they have been hanging around on store shelves for ages.

EDIT: Sorry, Mark, saw your post after I replied...

David F

10-03-07, 12:00 PM

All that's happened there is that they have given the PS3 a price cut, because they have been hanging around on store shelves for ages.

Wow, talk about a tenuous argument....

BDP33

10-03-07, 12:04 PM

The RUMOR is that they will be here on the 12th.

Until then, we can only speculate.

Speculate or get worked up thinking we know what it is going to be?

Which is it?

rdjam

10-03-07, 12:07 PM

BDP33

10-03-07, 12:09 PM

Just for the record, I do believe that a new stripped down PS3 SKU is coming at a cheaper price. I believe this because it is absolutely needed.

However, I do not think that EU photo is it - that looks like merely a price cut on existing SKUs.

I don't doubt they are coming either. I just think it's funny how worked up people get and act like what they think is canon.

It will have HDMI
It will have emulation ...etc.

I sound so convincing..lol

How about it will be what it is when we get an offical annoucement next Friday.

If we are speculating...I speculate the new PS3 will also triple as a popcorn maker with a butter warmer tray also.

Brian Hampton

10-03-07, 12:09 PM

Quote "All that's happened there is that they have given the PS3 a price cut, because they have been hanging around on store shelves for ages."

don't want to add to much to the off track nature of the thread but let me just point out the $399 model is not the same model that's been "hanging around" it's a new configuration,.. so there goes that theory.

-Brian

rdjam

10-03-07, 12:34 PM

markrubin

10-03-07, 12:39 PM

Let's keep THIS thread to rumors and, perhaps, a quick comment or two about the rumor. Don't want it getting off topic and off track. Thanks.

Since there are numerous threads already discussing this, wouldn't it be best to take the conversation there...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=142

please guys: see above

Thanks

markrubin

10-04-07, 05:23 PM

mod

if you want to compare PS3 to GameCube, please do it in the gaming forum

Thanks

webphilosopher

10-05-07, 04:43 PM

Why can't someone who starts a rumor just link to his own post? Kind of a self verifying hypothesis, ipse dixit or whatever.

mikemorel

10-05-07, 04:47 PM

Universal Japan Touts Spielberg Titles in HD DVD Presentation (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Universal/Disc_Announcements/Universal_Japan_Touts_Spielberg_Titles_in_HD_DVD_Presentatio n/1044)

The inclusion of several classic Steven Spielberg titles in an HD DVD presentation given by Universal Studios Japan got tongues wagging online Friday.

A screenshot from the presentation, which includes mention of 'Jaws,' 'E.T.' and 'Jurassic Park' among other high-profile Universal titles began appearing online shortly after it was delivered at the CEATAC conference this week in Japan.

Although the context of the slide in question was unclear, the mere image of Spielberg tiles on a page wrapped by the "Look and Sound of Perfect" graphics common to all of Universal's HD DVD discs was enough to whip fans into a near-frenzy on our own forums and elsewhere online.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20071005/cea16_22.jpg

MEC2

10-05-07, 07:38 PM

What the hell is the second movie down on the left? I've looked but can't figure it out...

Gotta admit, got a soft spot for Babe... an all around great movie...

MEC2

Lee Stewart

10-05-07, 07:41 PM

What the hell is the second movie down on the left? I've looked but can't figure it out...

Gotta admit, got a soft spot for Babe... an all around great movie...

MEC2

Casper.

Lee Stewart

10-05-07, 07:58 PM

rumor: - HD DVD Will Release a 60GB DS/DL Disc

my source is. The HD DVD PG

Link http://www.hddvdprg.com/eng/hddvd/hddvd_4.html

I have not sent additional info to mods

Time frame til confirmation - Unknown

Your certainty level of confirmation:9

Comments

From the site:

Double-sided : 60GB(dual-layer)

edgebsl

10-05-07, 08:17 PM

You have to flip it over?

Why not two discs? If you have to hit stop and eject.....

Its a good idea, I just dont know if its really addressing the storage issue.
The 51 gb is attempting to address it a little more directly.

SamwisetheBrave

10-06-07, 08:34 AM

For some reason, actual rumors are hard to come by. :)

Maybe October will be a good rumor month.

Remember when you heard the music and said, "Mom! The Good Rumor Man is coming!"

Ah, those were the days!:cool:

quantumred

10-06-07, 11:54 AM

For a flipper, they should be able to make two 51GB sides, which is 102GB :)

porsche1207

10-06-07, 05:42 PM

Remember when you heard the music and said, "Mom! The Good Rumor Man is coming!"

Ah, those were the days!:cool:

I think on the 7th or 8th of Oct we will pass the 1 month mark RDJAM said he had to wait till he spilled some info he picked up at CEDIA.

"Mom! The Good Rumor Man is coming!"

quantumred

10-06-07, 05:48 PM

I think on the 7th or 8th of Oct we will pass the 1 month mark RDJAM said he had to wait till he spilled some info he picked up at CEDIA.!"
The 7th begins in about 6 hours. I hope RDJAM will be ready to post at exactly that time and not make us wait :)

wipron

10-06-07, 05:50 PM

I think on the 7th or 8th of Oct we will pass the 1 month mark RDJAM said he had to wait till he spilled some info he picked up at CEDIA.

I'm glad somebody keeps bring that up.

I'm VERY curious as to what his big news is!

shamus

10-06-07, 06:01 PM

I think on the 7th or 8th of Oct we will pass the 1 month mark RDJAM said he had to wait till he spilled some info he picked up at CEDIA.

"Mom! The Good Rumor Man is coming!"

Its right here....http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=897356&highlight=rumor&page=18

But there's a lot more info - however, I have been asked nicely by my sources to hold the rest of the info for 30 days... I hope you understand it's in the best interests of HD DVD that I do this, folks...

Suffice to say, tho, I do know what the first 51 Gig title is likely to be
__________________ -rdjam 09-08-07

This means Monday is the big day!!!
Surprisingly I posted the same question a page back, but it mysteriously disappeared.

Probability of this happening..................0

quantumred

10-06-07, 06:09 PM

This means Monday is the big day!!!

That would assume the clock started the day he posted. If he got the info a day earlier and posted it the next day, then Sunday should be the 30th day.

shamus

10-06-07, 06:14 PM

That would assume the clock started the day he posted. If he got the info a day earlier and posted it the next day, then Sunday should be the 30th day.

Lets give him the benefit of the doubt, shall we?:rolleyes:

wipron

10-06-07, 06:18 PM

Its right here....http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=897356&highlight=rumor&page=18

This means Monday is the big day!!!
Surprisingly I posted the same question a page back, but it mysteriously disappeared.

Probability of this happening..................0

Must be some kind of conspiracy against you shamus.

That's why I'm quoting you, so it will forever be preserved in the AVS archives!

By the way since you are 100% Blu-Ray, why do you care again?

shamus

10-06-07, 06:27 PM

Must be some kind of conspiracy against you shamus.

That's why I'm quoting you, so it will forever be preserved in the AVS archives!

By the way since you are 100% Blu-Ray, why do you care again?

You can quote me all you want, as they can easily make your posts go away too...:D
I care when amazing news is going to hit any side as it can have an impact on "the war".
His hints, along with Pazmans, hint at another studio defection... which would be very big news!

If rdjam did get "big news" and it fell through(which is understandable, as Im sure it happens all the time), he should simply say so instead of reporting posts so they just "disappear".

wakashizuma

10-06-07, 07:35 PM

You can quote me all you want, as they can easily make your posts go away too...:D
I care when amazing news is going to hit any side as it can have an impact on "the war".
His hints, along with Pazmans, hint at another studio defection... which would be very big news!

If rdjam did get "big news" and it fell through(which is understandable, as Im sure it happens all the time), he should simply say so instead of reporting posts so they just "disappear".

Studio defection?
I thought his news was about TL51.

quantumred

10-06-07, 08:21 PM

Studio defection?
I thought his news was about TL51.

It was about TL51. Apparently for some the rumor has mutated into other forms :)

cdzie1

10-06-07, 08:23 PM

I think on the 7th or 8th of Oct we will pass the 1 month mark RDJAM said he had to wait till he spilled some info he picked up at CEDIA.

"Mom! The Good Rumor Man is coming!"

DVD Forum North America Conference 2007 will be held on Oct. 9, 2007 - Maybe we will hear something then...

Lee Stewart

10-06-07, 08:26 PM

What ever happened to this Sanyo HD DVD player?

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/06/sanyos-hd-s100-hd-dvd-player/

Sanyo's HD-S100 HD DVD player

TrevorS

10-07-07, 02:13 PM

The 7th begins in about 6 hours. I hope RDJAM will be ready to post at exactly that time and not make us wait :)

I asked rdjam about that and he said he would be on a business trip this week and so he may well be out of communication. He also mentioned there is a DVD Forum meeting this week which he's dissapointed to have to miss thanks to the trip.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11816773&postcount=47

Grubert

10-08-07, 06:46 AM

rumor: $399 PS3 coming to US early November

my source is: Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3i23389b356d961fd23062dec8891c4eff), which quoted industry sources

Time frame til confirmation: probably Friday

My certainty level: 10

rdjam

10-08-07, 02:20 PM

I asked rdjam about that and he said he would be on a business trip this week and so he may well be out of communication. He also mentioned there is a DVD Forum meeting this week which he's dissapointed to have to miss thanks to the trip.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11816773&postcount=47Yes, I've had a business trip come up and am in the UK now, which is a bit too far away from the LA DVD Forum meeting :) In my previous posts I indicated that I couldn't say anything until after the LA meets, and likely not immediately.

But only a few days left... :) I may get pipped to the post on the remainder of the info, since I am posting less often while travelling, tho.

coneyparleg

10-08-07, 02:51 PM

Universal Japan Touts Spielberg Titles in HD DVD Presentation (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Universal/Disc_Announcements/Universal_Japan_Touts_Spielberg_Titles_in_HD_DVD_Presentatio n/1044)

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20071005/cea16_22.jpg

In the words of Blu-Ray exclusive "Simpson's The Movie" charcter Homer, Doh!
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=568

Spielberg Spokesperson: Universal Japan HD DVD Announcement was "A Mistake"
Posted October 8, 2007 by Ben

Marv Levy, spokesperson for Steven Spielberg, was kind enough to speak with us today regarding the recent surprise announcement from Universal Home Video Japan that Jaws, E.T., Jurassic Park and Back to the Future would be released on HD DVD.

According to Mr. Levy, "There are no plans to release these titles on HD DVD. It was a mistake and someone inadvertently put those titles into a presentation"

Mr. Levy also mentioned that Universal will be making a public statement regarding this mistake in the coming days.

Blu-ray.com would like to thank Mr. Levy for again speaking with us regarding Mr. Speilberg's films and their future in the world of high definition media.

hd nOOb

10-08-07, 04:34 PM

In the words of Blu-Ray exclusive "Simpson's The Movie" charcter Homer, Doh!
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=568

Spielberg Spokesperson: Universal Japan HD DVD Announcement was "A Mistake"
Posted October 8, 2007 by Ben

Marv Levy, spokesperson for Steven Spielberg, was kind enough to speak with us today regarding the recent surprise announcement from Universal Home Video Japan that Jaws, E.T., Jurassic Park and Back to the Future would be released on HD DVD.

According to Mr. Levy, "There are no plans to release these titles on HD DVD. It was a mistake and someone inadvertently put those titles into a presentation"

Mr. Levy also mentioned that Universal will be making a public statement regarding this mistake in the coming days.

Blu-ray.com would like to thank Mr. Levy for again speaking with us regarding Mr. Speilberg's films and their future in the world of high definition media.

You know what more and more he is getting on my nerves. I beginning to think he is getting paid by the BDA. I could see if HD DVD sucked, but right now Blu-ray is not better. Has he even spoken to Kevin or Amirm or a Netural studio like Warner to decide wich would be best for his movies/fans? Then togo Blu-ray.com and tell them not the Associated Press or something like that. This fanboyisim is sad.:(

gilham1

10-08-07, 04:39 PM

coneyparleg

10-08-07, 04:40 PM

hd nOOb

10-08-07, 04:51 PM

bd.com may have contacted him first and then he replied. It is kind of on Universal to make the official announcment.

Whats even wierd is I went to his forums and its kinda like Blu-ray.com

Try looking for hd dvd in the search.

http://www.spielbergfilms.com/forum/index.php

CochiseGuy

10-08-07, 04:56 PM

You know what more and more he is getting on my nerves. I beginning to think he is getting paid by the BDA. I could see if HD DVD sucked, but right now Blu-ray is not better. Has he even spoken to Kevin or Amirm or a Netural studio like Warner to decide wich would be best for his movies/fans? Then togo Blu-ray.com and tell them not the Associated Press or something like that. This fanboyisim is sad.:(

Did the story make it to any sizable news service? :confused:

I didn't think anyone but devoted followers of the format battle here and on a few other High-def sites ever took notice of the shots of a few slides presented in a relatively minor Japanese event. And it kind of sounded like Blu-ray.com sought out his Press Rep. for a response so that they could make the most out of it in a negative light. If Universal does respond, I expect it to be a minor correction announcement.

Baron79

10-08-07, 04:59 PM

[QUOTE=hd nOOb;11847886]You know what more and more he is getting on my nerves. I beginning to think he is getting paid by the BDA. I could see if HD DVD sucked, but right now Blu-ray is not better. Has he even spoken to Kevin or Amirm or a Netural studio like Warner to decide wich would be best for his movies/fans? Then togo Blu-ray.com and tell them not the Associated Press or something like that. This fanboyisim is sad.:([/QUOT

He is without question my favorite director, but he is making me HATE him. As a fan of his movies
(and wanting to buy them on HD-DVD)it's like a slap in the face. Can Universal just say
you know what Steven, thanks for everything but we don't care what you think. There our movies and there coming out when we want them too?

ChrisBeveridge

10-08-07, 05:00 PM

Whats even wierd is I went to his forums and its kinda like Blu-ray.com

Try looking for hd dvd in the search.

http://www.spielbergfilms.com/forum/index.php

Two sites using the same forum software? We need a conspiracy thread in addition to a rumor thread!

Ezra

10-08-07, 05:20 PM

coneyparleg

10-08-07, 05:22 PM

brian1212

10-08-07, 05:24 PM

hd nOOb

10-08-07, 07:02 PM

I don't think he is any different than any other uninformed bystander in this "war". He has been fed a lot of biased one-sided information and as far as he "knows" Blu-ray is the better format. I just think it's sad that someone like him doesn't take the time to do better research.

And that very well could be but I trully believe that he is shown what HD DVD can do he would not feel this way.

porsche1207

10-08-07, 10:05 PM

I don't think he is any different than any other uninformed bystander in this "war". He has been fed a lot of biased one-sided information and as far as he "knows" Blu-ray is the better format. I just think it's sad that someone like him doesn't take the time to do better research.

Maybe with HD DVD rolling out the disks that allow you to buy from the movie will intrest him. After watching Indy the movie takes you right to spielberg.com where you can buy a Indy hat for $99.99.

Come on Steve think of the money :D

Johnsteph10

10-08-07, 10:17 PM

Consider the source of that "announcement."

xboxboi

10-08-07, 10:21 PM

In the words of Blu-Ray exclusive "Simpson's The Movie" charcter Homer, Doh!
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=568

Spielberg Spokesperson: Universal Japan HD DVD Announcement was "A Mistake"
Posted October 8, 2007 by Ben

Marv Levy, spokesperson for Steven Spielberg, was kind enough to speak with us today regarding the recent surprise announcement from Universal Home Video Japan that Jaws, E.T., Jurassic Park and Back to the Future would be released on HD DVD.

According to Mr. Levy, "There are no plans to release these titles on HD DVD. It was a mistake and someone inadvertently put those titles into a presentation"

Mr. Levy also mentioned that Universal will be making a public statement regarding this mistake in the coming days.

Blu-ray.com would like to thank Mr. Levy for again speaking with us regarding Mr. Speilberg's films and their future in the world of high definition media.

bd.com at its best. the sentence means those titles will not appear in HD DVD period. I bet bd.com intentionally leave out the 'at the moment' or 'currently' part from the sentence :D

hd nOOb

10-08-07, 10:23 PM

I went to dreamworks site and watched the trailer for Minority Report and at the end the info said it was a FOX film? WTF?

This format war needs to end soon.:eek:

D-X

10-08-07, 10:38 PM

bd.com at its best. the sentence means those titles will not appear in HD DVD period. I bet bd.com intentionally leave out the 'at the moment' or 'currently' part from the sentence :D

They did.:D

http://www.spielbergfilms.com/dreamworks/1538

At this time, there are no official plans to release any Spielberg-directed titles to the HD DVD format, except for tomorrow’s release of “Twilight Zone The Movie” (a feature that includes the short Spielberg film “Kick the Can”).

Wow.

Steverhcp02

10-08-07, 10:47 PM

They did.:D

http://www.spielbergfilms.com/dreamworks/1538

Wow.

You are taking an excerpt form a press release and a direct quote form someone......stop grasping, they are two seperate things BD.com talked directly to Levy, whereas the press release was seperate......

I mean seriously, has it gotten that bad that we are now analyzing "currently" holy **** this is as bad as Bill O'Reilly and Fox news doing their "body language" analysis to get the answers and create stories and theories that suit their needs.

Spielberg does not want his films on HD DVD, end of story, get over it for gods sake.

D-X

10-08-07, 10:52 PM

You are taking an excerpt form a press release and a direct quote form someone......stop grasping, they are two seperate things BD.com talked directly to Levy, whereas the press release was seperate......

I mean seriously, has it gotten that bad that we are now analyzing "currently" holy **** this is as bad as Bill O'Reilly and Fox news doing their "body language" analysis to get the answers and create stories and theories that suit their needs.

Spielberg does not want his films on HD DVD, end of story, get over it for gods sake.

I just realized how guillable I am. That speildbergfilms site is just a fansite as well. Ill wait for an official announcement from Universal.

BTW, where did Speildberg EVER say he didnt want his films on HD DVD? Linky?

thomopolis

10-08-07, 11:16 PM

The only thing Speilberg has alluded to is not wanting to be exclusive.

The notion that some have suggested he is being "fed" erroneous information and is some stoog of BD is laughable. He cares about the final presentation of his films more than any other director out there. The time and effort he put into the DVD release of SPR was huge back in the day.

There are only two reasons he would not want to release on HD-DVD.

1. The market is too small - possible since he delayed DVD for freaking ever.
2. There might, just might be some issues he has seen with bandwidth limitations of HD-DVD. I know this is less and less likely given the stellar reviews, but something like SPR which is 1.85:1 aspect, has a lot of grain, and a lot of motion probably would be more challenging than anything else done yet. If that did fine pretty much all arguments die.

I seriously doubt it is a size issue since we have Kong, Troy, and there is always the option of putting a second disc for bonuses.

brian1212

10-08-07, 11:27 PM

Did the story make it to any sizable news service? :confused:

I didn't think anyone but devoted followers of the format battle here and on a few other High-def sites ever took notice of the shots of a few slides presented in a relatively minor Japanese event. And it kind of sounded like Blu-ray.com sought out his Press Rep. for a response so that they could make the most out of it in a negative light. If Universal does respond, I expect it to be a minor correction announcement.

HD DVD Promotions group confesses their sins....

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=11339

A spokesperson for the HD DVD Promotions Group Oct. 8 confirmed that an erroneous slide presentation by Universal Studios Japan at last weekend’s CEATAC confab indicating the forthcoming releases of Steven Spielberg classics Jaws, E.T., Jurassic Park and Close Encounters of Third Kind on HD DVD from Universal Studios Home Entertainment was false.

Steverhcp02

10-08-07, 11:30 PM

I just realized how guillable I am. That speildbergfilms site is just a fansite as well. Ill wait for an official announcement from Universal.

BTW, where did Speildberg EVER say he didnt want his films on HD DVD? Linky?

Sorry, perhaps the fact that they had to APOLOGIZE to him for mentioning it...and the fact he okayed close encounters....and then that little thing written into the contract of Paramounts exclusivity that Spielberg directed films wont be on HD DVD.......sorry, i must be crazy to assume this, i guess paramount just made that decision for him, huh?

Steverhcp02

10-08-07, 11:32 PM

The Doctor

10-08-07, 11:51 PM

HD DVD Promotions group confesses their sins....
[QUOTE]Close Encounters of Third Kind on HD DVD from Universal Studios Home Entertainment was false.
who said anything about Close Encounters?

so Babe and BTTF are still on?

David Scott

10-09-07, 12:16 AM

wtf, bro....did i ever say he "hated" HD DVD, no never are you stupid....theres no logic left in your brain.

Hey, chill out with the personal attacks dude. I think what this boils down to is that Spielberg, like Lucas, has control over when and how his movies are released. Until he gives the OK for release on either format it's premature for Universal or any other studio to be making announcements. I've never seen Spielberg state he'd never release his movies on HD DVD.

lip

10-09-07, 12:22 AM

Speildberg is just out to make money...and tons of it...
He will only release a title on a format when that format is mainstream and can bring him the biggest bang for the buck. There are some exceptions to that but usually that is a "one off" probably due to getting some lucrative incentives to do so...

Speilberg likes money...if that comes from Bluray or HD-DVD, so be it...

LIP

PaulGo

10-09-07, 12:30 AM

Grubert

10-09-07, 07:43 AM

Rumor: 40GB PS3 to lack SACD playback

Source: SCEE image
http://img105.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2007/10/09/ps3nosacd-483mt6bqx.jpg

As opposed to

http://i.boomtown.net/pics/5/0/7/95705/org.jpg

rover2002

10-09-07, 08:45 AM

Rumor: 40GB PS3 to lack SACD playback

Source: SCEE image
http://img105.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2007/10/09/ps3nosacd-483mt6bqx.jpg

As opposed to

http://i.boomtown.net/pics/5/0/7/95705/org.jpg

I may have to report you for actully putting a rumor in here! :)
No SACD playback huh, what will those poor gamers do with there large SACD collections :D

Lee Stewart

10-09-07, 09:15 AM

Nope, not an early sign of cataracts, you're looking at Sony's ceramic white 40GB PS3 and DualShock 3 controller just loosed in Japan. Like its European 40GB cuz, the CECHH00 Series PS3 aces the backward compatibility, memory card slot, and 2x of the 4x USB slots in favor of a low, low ¥39,980 (about $341/€242) price tag when it ships on 11 November. The DualShock 3 wireless rumbler (sold separately) first revealed at Tokyo Game Show hits shelves the same day for ¥5,500 or about $47/€33. Yes, both the PS3 and DualShock 3 are available in black if you're feeling the ebony over new-school ivory.

http://hdtv.engadget.com/

Grubert

10-09-07, 09:22 AM

I may have to report you for actully putting a rumor in here! :)
No SACD playback huh, what will those poor gamers do with there large SACD collections :D

Yeah, that was an elitist gesture (probably Kutaragi's idea). They might as well bundle a copy of Stalker (not the video game - the Tarkovsky film!)

CochiseGuy

10-09-07, 09:27 AM

This may help put thing in perspective:

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/08/22/hd-dvd-vs-blu-ray-the-battle-rages-on/

Perspective?? :confused:

Hardly. I was tempted to stop reading with the glaring mistake in the very first paragraph -

Since 2005, Paramount had been releasing videos in both formats while DreamWorks had not released any high-definition discs in either format.

I guess he's never heard of a little Dreamworks film called "Dreamgirls", released on both formats back in April. Not too impressive of credentials. Especially when he delves into the Michael Bay debacle -

Speilberg's work as producer isn't marked by the fine print, and so Transformers will be released on HD DVD by Paramount. I don't know if this is upsetting to Spielberg, but it was apparently a big pain for the movie's director, Michael Bay. Regarding his disappointment with Paramount, Bay posted the following note on his site's message board . . .. :rolleyes:

Also: I believe Spielberg has enough money - he does things because he is creative and wants the best showcase for his films. If he wanted money he could have been bought off just as Paramont but he chose not to.

Well, I guess the rumor thread is the place for pure speculation . . . .

plazman

10-09-07, 09:28 AM

This may help put thing in perspective:

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/08/22/hd-dvd-vs-blu-ray-the-battle-rages-on/

Also: I believe Spielberg has enough money - he does things because he is creative and wants the best showcase for his films. If he wanted money he could have been bought off just as Paramont but he chose not to.

For this to be true, we need to compare the overall quality of Close Encounters with a title like 300 on HD DVD. You'll be able to tell where more effort was put into...

Spielberg probably realizes his best days are behind him (like Lucas) and his best work is owned by Universal and Paramount. As an artist that probably hurts him that he does not control what he created. But he is still a big name and I am sure no studio wants to upset him needlessly....the $ from HDM is not worth alienating a director who made billions of $ for these studios.

Just curious on which side Spielberg was on in the DVD v. DiVx or DVD v. LD wars....

plazman

10-09-07, 09:33 AM

Frank Derks

10-09-07, 09:48 AM

...
2. There might, just might be some issues he has seen with bandwidth limitations of HD-DVD. I know this is less and less likely given the stellar reviews, but something like SPR which is 1.85:1 aspect, has a lot of grain, and a lot of motion probably would be more challenging than anything else done yet. If that did fine pretty much all arguments die.

There is this rumor floating around that the Japanese Band of Brothers release on HD DVD does show stellar results with 1.85:1, grain and jerky motion with an AVC encode. :D

So that's probably not the issue.

Grubert

10-09-07, 09:52 AM

There is this rumor floating around that the Japanese Band of Brothers release on HD DVD does show stellar results with 1.85:1, grain and jerky motion with an AVC encode. :D

...but no lossless audio (and no PiP).

Frank Derks

10-09-07, 09:57 AM

It did get english subtitles, not shure about spanish though. :p

Frank Derks

10-09-07, 09:59 AM

That DTS logo on the 40GPS3withNoPS2support looks suspiciously core only. No DTS HD(master) (yet)?

BrickTop

10-09-07, 11:18 AM

Just curious on which side Spielberg was on in the DVD v. DiVx or DVD v. LD wars....

A bit off topic, but I don't recall a DVD vs laserdisc War. Laser disc simply slowly died off as it was a niche.

Kosty

10-09-07, 11:43 AM

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11854873&posted=1#post11854873

First report of a third generation Toshiba HD A3 at Wal-Mart.

briankmonkey

10-09-07, 12:05 PM

Wasn't there some kind of 30 day prediction or a revealing from Rdjam?

srw1000

10-09-07, 12:37 PM

Wasn't there some kind of 30 day prediction or a revealing from Rdjam?See post 149 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11846528#post11846528) from yesterday.

Scott

briankmonkey

10-09-07, 12:52 PM

ah, thanks Scott

mjg100

10-09-07, 12:54 PM

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11854873&posted=1#post11854873

First report of a third generation Toshiba HD A3 at Wal-Mart.

Our Walmart had a few A3's and a few HD DVD's and BD's on the shelf today. No BD players.

coolhand

10-09-07, 01:12 PM

Um, Paramount was never neutral. They switched from BD exclusivity to HD DVD exclusivity, which means the Wal Mart manual in VERY recent.

You could not be more wrong.

homerx

10-09-07, 01:20 PM

Yep, our local wal will be carrying the A3 now as well. They will continue to carry the sony s300 as well so at least things are fair now.

They will also be getting a 4ft section of BDs and HD-DVDs. So I'm glad to see my walmart finnally steping in. So I can can get cheep prices day 1. Rather then amazon or worst buy

TrevorS

10-09-07, 02:11 PM

I've been hoping to see HD offerings at my nearest Walmart for over a year now, maybe this holiday season? (Nothing yesterday -- I looked :(!) They've completely re-arranged their A/V entertainment section over the last couple weeks -- much like KMart's layout where the section is effectively walled in except for a front center accessgap.

Milt99

10-09-07, 02:29 PM

...but no lossless audio (and no PiP).
Please Grubert, don't tell me you've gone over to the deaf, dumb & blind bitrate\lossless cult.
I own this set and it is stellar.

David F

10-09-07, 02:32 PM

You could not be more wrong.

Yep, you're right. I had a brain fart. I was thinking about them switching from HD DVD exclusive to neutral back in the day. Mea culpa.

tironside

10-09-07, 10:15 PM

Ooh Ooh my first rumour.. how true it is, I dunno.. but yay a rumour.

rumor: - Triple layer hd-dvd's will not work in any current HD-DVD player

my source is. Thedigital Bits

Link http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

I have not sent additional info to mods

Time frame til confirmation - Unknown

Your certainty level of confirmation:3

Comments

From the site:

However, industry sources are telling us that NONE of the existing Toshiba HD-DVD players and drives are currently capable of reading them. Indeed, the Video Business story indicates that once the spec is finalized, "compatibility with current HD DVD player and recorders can be investigated." According to reports from Bits readers who were on at CEATAC this weekend, Toshiba reps told attendees that the triple-layer disc configuration would require a hardware change (the lens on existing drives reportedly isn't capable of moving to focus on the third layer)

HD-DownUnder

10-09-07, 11:40 PM

aristotles

10-10-07, 12:21 AM

Kosty

10-10-07, 12:33 AM

Not one bit suprising to hear that from Bill.

Murmurs like that have been going around the last couple of weeks, but nothing has been made official. The closest to credible I heard this from was my Hitachi friend when he was telling me about the 100gb BD's.DVD Forum closer to approving 51GB HD DVD
By Susanne Ault -- Video Business, 10/4/2007
OCT. 4 | A working group within the DVD Forum has approved the specification for a triple-layer 51GB HD DVD, confirmed a spokesperson for the North American HD DVD Promotion Group, although final approval within the organization is still pending.

The spokesman said that once the spec is finalized, compatibility with current HD DVD player and recorders can be investigated, which opens the door for the format to be competitive with Blu-ray Disc's highest-capacity 50GB disc.

After the Forum gives the final blessing, replicators will start producing 51GB HD DVD discs, which include three layers holding 17GB capacity each. Production should drive manufacturers to begin testing how existing HD DVD players and drives can playback such the new discs.

No studio has announced plans to release a 51GB HD DVD, which was first announced as a developing technology during January’s CES. However, HD DVD backers will likely use the ability to create such high-capacity discs as ammunition in the format war.... Not surprisingly when you read the quote in context from the VB articles it seems less in context that Bill Hunt suggests.

Theres a lot of wishful thinking on any TL51 that goes through his filter.

HD DVD backers and Toshiba in specific that have a corporate culture that doesn't claim anything until hardware is virtually shipping. They are very conservative PR . Contrast that to Sony, which for years has a different PR and promotional strategy for new developments.

That being said, if TL51 is incompatible with all first second third and newer SoC HD DVD players and all HD DVD drives on the market, Toshiba engineers would have known that long ago and not bothered with going through the spec approval process.

Even if the third layer could not be read reliably by all players there are ways to work around that by placing non critical data on the third layer.

Toshiba has an advantage since despite the ergonomic quirks of sloooow boot up the first gen HD DVD players with NEC drives have a lot of CPU horsepower and reconfigurability in them since they are pretty much HTPCs.

blainehamilton

10-10-07, 01:30 AM

I work as an HP rep at both Best Buy and Future Shop in Canada.

I can verify there is SKUs in the Point Of Sale inventory system at both stores for the HD-A3 and HD-A30. Mark my words, they will be coming. Bad move by Toshiba here, they should have been in stock already, as the demand is there. They had sure better be loads of them for the Transformers release.

This is in addition to the next series of HP and Toshiba desktops and laptops with HD DVD drives, which Best Buy and Future Shop carry NO Blu Ray equivalent for. That's right, no desktops or laptops with Blu Ray drives, and they no longer carry Blu Ray burner upgrades on the websites. The stores carry the HP m8150n, and Best Buy has a pretty warm deal on the m7780n refurb at $799.

This is on top of remaining stock of the HD-A2 and HD-A20 at both stores. (The A2 is almost impossible to find at Future Shop, and nearly gone from Best Buy, thanks to the one day sale last week. I would speculate they sold at least a thousand HD-A2 machines in that one day! - figure 5 machines for each Future Shop, and the remaining being pricematches at Best Buy/Visions/A&B Sound, etc.)

Both Bill Hunt and the OP need to speculate a whole lot less and need to wait for results before opening their mouths.

What you see on store shelves and on a store website usually has very little to do with the overall playing field. It's a small look into the overall workings...

vinnie97

10-10-07, 01:32 AM

Honestly, aristotles, with the personal inquisitions you've thrown at me, I'm *this* close to asking how much the BDA pays you to spread these rumors...but I won't.

tironside

10-10-07, 01:35 AM

Oh Canada.. My home and native land.

Oh and Future Shop and Best Buy are both within 5 minutes drive from my house. I shop at both. I prefer Best Buy because they aren't on commission.

I live in the Toronto area.

Oh and for the record, Best Buy was price matching the A2 sale.

Eh,

future shop hasn't been commissioned in a zillion years; they went non com shortly after best buy bought em. (they called it a market trial or some such thing)

both owned by the same company, they carey virtually identical product sets, all within 2 minutes of each other so that you think you have a choice in selection :)

and from what I have seen in the past, when an item is sold out it still has a link on it's website, they just give a number of items available link, and ability to check in store.

to think that every single one in every store is gone.. eh possible I supposed.. if they were expecting new stock it would show up.. so prolly just waiting for the g3's

ddelrio

10-10-07, 01:36 AM

I feel that rumors which originate from Bill Hunt should not be permitted in this thread. This man has lost all credibility. He's an anti-HD DVD-rumor-generator.

Helvetian

10-10-07, 01:37 AM

Honestly, aristotles, with the personal inquisitions you've thrown at me, I'm *this* close to asking how much the BDA pays you to spread these rumors...but I won't.

Seriously. I hate to say it, but OP is just perpetuating FUD! Bill Hunt, what a joke. He needs his own garbage thread. You could send him anything and he'll post it, just as long as it's anti-HD DVD. He seems very ill-intentioned.

tironside

10-10-07, 01:38 AM

i dont know how many futureshops you have where you are but here in edmonton we have 5. i go every tuesday to see what comes out on hd-dvd and blue-ray since i have both formats, and everystore sells alot more hd-dvd over blueray. the hd-dvds are always out of stock on alot of titles where as blue-ray has them on the shelf. kinda find it hard to believe f shop would drop hd.dvd

eh.

availability on a shelf and sales are not directly linked.

for eg, you might see a small number because they order a small number.

without fs saying "we sell this many of this type" we really can't do more than guess

ddelrio

10-10-07, 01:39 AM

Can I just make stuff up and post it as a rumor? Bill Hunt has no credibility. Anything that comes from him is, at the very least, highly suspect. Can I start a thread about a rumor I heard that Bill Hunt is a cross-dresser? It's far more likely.

ddelrio

10-10-07, 01:39 AM

I work as an HP rep at both Best Buy and Future Shop in Canada.

I can verify there is SKUs in the Point Of Sale inventory system at both stores for the HD-A3 and HD-A30. Mark my words, they will be coming.

Both Bill Hunt and the OP need to speculate a whole lot less and need to wait for results before opening their big yap.

Great. Thank you, Blaine. Can we kill this ridiculous thread now?

tironside

10-10-07, 01:39 AM

I work as an HP rep at both Best Buy and Future Shop in Canada.

I can verify there is SKUs in the Point Of Sale inventory system at both stores for the HD-A3 and HD-A30. Mark my words, they will be coming.

Both Bill Hunt and the OP need to speculate a whole lot less and need to wait for results before opening their big yap.

so as a hp rep, fs gives you access to their ibm cash / inventory system so that you can check out sku availibility of competitors products?

I find that hard to believe.

T.

allison35

10-10-07, 01:40 AM

actually, FS is still commisioned, althought the structure did change somewhat when Best Buy bought them years ago. However, commissions remain very important to the floor sales staff. Best Buy Canada remains uncommissioned.

nickoakdl

10-10-07, 01:41 AM

According to Bill Hunt at Digital Bits, Futureshop is mulling over dropping selling HD DVD hardware and I just did a search on futureshop.ca and the only HD DVD hardware I could find was the Xbox360. According to Bill Hunt, they are considering dropping the players because of poor sales figures in their stores and poor sales of HD DVD titles.

Go search for yourselves. I've been in my local Futureshop a few times and it seems that their blu-ray titles are out of stock and rifled through quite often while the HD DVD side seems to be quite stagnant.

You must be new here. There is actually a thread dedicated to rumors.

Here ya go-
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=915664

I would think that after 300+ posts you would know these things. If you need anymore help or have any questions about AVS forum feel free to ask.

anotheraviator

10-10-07, 01:50 AM

and from what I have seen in the past, when an item is sold out it still has a link on it's website, they just give a number of items available link, and ability to check in store.

to think that every single one in every store is gone.. eh possible I supposed.. if they were expecting new stock it would show up.. so prolly just waiting for the g3's

This is true if they are going to be replacing the product. They won't be replacing A2's. They will be putting A3's up shortly.

The $199 sale sold out every single player. Trust me. I had friends calling stores faaaaaaaaaar away trying to get one.

theone2

10-10-07, 01:50 AM

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showpost.php?p=355397&postcount=39
I emailed them earlier to ask and here is the response from FutureShop.ca:
Dear Geonosis,

Thank you for contacting Future Shop. My name is Mike and it is my pleasure
to help you today. I understand that you have questions in regards to
whether both our web site and retail stores will continue to offer HD DVD hardware and software.

I have reviewed the information, and can assure you as one of our valued customers, that Future Shop has no plans to discontinue the sales of HD DVD hardware and software. In the coming weeks, both our web site and retail stores will receive replenished quantities of new hardware from Toshiba. Specifically the following three models A3, A30 and A35 are due for release.

If you have any further questions regarding this query or other Future Shop
services, please respond to this email and we will be pleased to assist you further. You may also call our Customer Support line at 1-800-663-2275 and a representative will be happy to help you with any questions or concerns.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you. We appreciate
your business and I thank you for being a valued Future Shop customer, Geonosis.

Sincerely,

Mike K.

Customer Support Dept.
Future Shop Canadian

A post from High def.

luclin999

10-10-07, 01:50 AM

so as a hp rep, fs gives you access to their ibm cash / inventory system so that you can check out sku availibility of competitors products?

I find that hard to believe.

T.

And as a customer in the US, I can access and verify Skus in the Best Buy system and check availability as well.

Find that hard to believe?

Want to know how?

I walk up to a salesperson or manager in a store and ask them to do a search on a specific model ID. I then stand over their shoulder and watch the results as they type the query in on their screen.

I then see Best Buy's data on skus and availability for the items in question.

Shocking just what you can find out if you walk into a store and ask the right questions, isn't it?

Oh, and this whole thread should never have been created and instead simply posted to the Rumors thread to begin with.

Or better still, simply deleted since it seems to be more mis-information from Bill Hunt. Honestly, can we get a filter to screen out threads based upon comments from that man?

I mean, I can dream can't I?

anotheraviator

10-10-07, 01:53 AM

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showpost.php?p=355397&postcount=39

A post from High def.

EXACTLY! Now someone please change the title to:

"Bill Hunt Was Wrong Again -- Future Shop SOLD OUT of HD-DVD Players, Currently Awaiting 3rd Generation Players to Replenish Stock"

:)

Me thinks a certain someone is getting very worried that a HDM player actually sold out somewhere.. :)

Helvetian

10-10-07, 01:58 AM

It's a shame that HD DVD owners had to call and email to ascertain the truth, whereas Bill should have either done that himself or not posted anything. It was a petty move on his part. Let's see how quickly he retracts the statement and yes please update this thread title.

blainehamilton

10-10-07, 02:01 AM

so as a hp rep, fs gives you access to their ibm cash / inventory system so that you can check out sku availibility of competitors products?

I find that hard to believe.

T.

I worked with Best Buy for 3+ years here so I know the systems in and out. Part of my job as an HP rep is to verify inventories of promo items so we can push additional stock to locations as needed.

I have a good working relationship with management, and am allowed to work on the system as needed so they get the products they need to sell.

I can check HD DVD player sales as needed, as the availability and sales will indirectly affect the sales of HP HD DVD equipped products.

There is a difference between finding something 'hard to believe' and 'living in denial'.

Anyone still underestimating the demand for these players last week can read the thread from redflagdeals about members scrambling to buy one from Future Shop or pm one anywhere else:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=498652

Robert D

10-10-07, 02:05 AM

tironside

10-10-07, 02:08 AM

I feel that rumors which originate from Bill Hunt should not be permitted in this thread. This man has lost all credibility. He's an anti-HD DVD-rumor-generator.

I thought the whole point of this thread was to post format neutral (aka good or bad for either format) rumours. what he said is a rumour; maybe not an eventual truth, but it does fit the criteria of rumour.. which is why this thread was created? to keep this stuff out of 10 other threads across the board.

but what do I know.. I'm just a peon.

T.

MidnightWatcher

10-10-07, 02:21 AM

That's all very well and good but I'm a Canadian and I can confirm:

1. That HD DVD title sales at Futureshop are stagnant at the local FS.
2. That neither "Toshiba" or "HD-DVD" turned up anything other than a Toshiba laptop with an HD-DVD drive and the Xbox360 add-on drive and a bunch of HD-DVD titles.
3. Futureshop.ca offers a feature to check in-store availability for an item.
4. Futureshop is in the midst of their 25th anniversary sale and are having a 25 days of web deals between Oct 5th and 29th.
5. Regardless of the promotion, Futureshop would list products available in stores online even if it could only be bought in-store.
6. If they were sold out of an item, it would still be listed on their website with a note saying so.

Although I did not go check out all of the electronics section at my local FS, I noticed that they were pushing Toshiba DVD writers on a large banner and had blu-ray players in their AV section displaying on their TVs.
I was at Future Shop today to return my HD-A2 to get it exchanged for a new one, but they were sold out, according to FS, so I got the HD-A20 for $267.99 (their last one, which was allegedly an "open box" though it was taped. Looking inside however revealed that nothing was touched at all as all items were still in their original packaging). :p At any rate, I asked if they were getting in Gen3 models, and they said yes that they were getting them soon. During a previous visit I had asked how HD DVD was selling, and they essentially said they had a hard time keeping the Toshiba HD DVD players in stock as they always sold out very quickly, and during the sale last week they sold out so quickly that all were gone well before noon on 10/5. :)

vinnie97

10-10-07, 02:26 AM

I thought the whole point of this thread was to post format neutral (aka good or bad for either format) rumours. what he said is a rumour; maybe not an eventual truth, but it does fit the criteria of rumour.. which is why this thread was created? to keep this stuff out of 10 other threads across the board.

but what do I know.. I'm just a peon.

T.
Even so, if the rumor is initiated by someone who is known to have limited (if any) credibility in the recent past, why should they be given any space here at all?

Darcy Hunter

10-10-07, 02:34 AM

Well this clears up something I was curious about. I've been to two different FS here in Winnipeg, and I too thought that they had given up on HD DVD stand-alones. Both of these stores had always carried HD players, from the HD-A1 onward, but over the weekend both stores suddenly had ZERO HD moldels in store. Even the ones used for the HD DVD promo set-ups were gone (these are set-ups consisting of a 37" Tosh LCD connected to a HD-A2, with a selection of HD DVDs displyed underneith). The display of HD DVDs and the corresponding flat pannel were still present, but there was just a dangling HDMI cable where the HD A2 should have been. I though maybe they were getting ready for the A3s, but at the same time I thought there was no way they could have sold out of EVERY one of the A2s. I wish I knew of the sale. Oh well...

Frank Derks

10-10-07, 02:40 AM

....
From the site:

However, industry sources are telling us that NONE of the existing Toshiba HD-DVD players and drives are currently capable of reading them. Indeed, the Video Business story indicates that once the spec is finalized, "compatibility with current HD DVD player and recorders can be investigated." According to reports from Bits readers who were on at CEATAC this weekend, Toshiba reps told attendees that the triple-layer disc configuration would require a hardware change (the lens on existing drives reportedly isn't capable of moving to focus on the third layer)

Bolded the part that expsoses the Bill Hunt articale as a fraud.

So an optical system that is capabale of reading a cd layer at 1.2 mm depth and two layers at 0.6 mm isn't capable of moving a mere 30micro meter to focus on a third layer?

Complete nonsense. It doesn't have problems with three layers on a twin disc.

If TL51 doesn't work out it will be for other reasons than a limited focussing range.

ddelrio

10-10-07, 02:53 AM

Even so, if the rumor is initiated by someone who is known to have limited (if any) credibility in the recent past, why should they be given any space here at all?

Right. That's exactly my point. Anyone can post anything they like. His Future Shop rumor was already proven to be false. That only took a day. He claimed they were going to stop selling HD DVD players due to poor sales. Guess what? It turns out they sold out of their HD DVD players. They're waiting to replenish the stock with gen 3 HD DVD players. Not only was he wrong--he wasn't even close to the truth. The guy is an anti-HD DVD FUD-factory. So, if the purpose of this thread is rumors, that's great. If the purpose is FUD, then let's please rename the thread.

Frank Derks

10-10-07, 03:01 AM

Somehow I don't expect Bill Hunt will telling the truth about the real situation.

"Toshiba HD DVD players sold out all over the place in a matter of days even hours in some cases. Due to a holdup in delivering the next gen models and depleted stocks of early generation models we at the digital bits come to the shocking conclusion that HD DVD is outselling blu ray by a wide margin. However after contacting our insider sources from Sony we got confirmation that blu ray is winning. He told us: 'We have plenty PS3 players in stock everywhere, and market share of stocked stand alone players is far higher than that of HD DVD players' "

Ramon66

10-10-07, 03:14 AM

This is true if they are going to be replacing the product. They won't be replacing A2's. They will be putting A3's up shortly.

The $199 sale sold out every single player. Trust me. I had friends calling stores faaaaaaaaaar away trying to get one.

Yeah they sold them all out alright, probably all 40 or so of them that they had chain wide. Futureshop is known for having these big door crasher like sales, and only stocking a very limited amount of the product for the consumer to purchase, then they end up saying "sorry we are all sold out".

rdjam

10-10-07, 03:46 AM

pteittinen

10-10-07, 04:02 AM

I'm just wondering how this deserves a thread of its own instead of being posted in the stickied rumor thread where it belongs...
+1

Frank Derks

10-10-07, 04:08 AM

I'm just wondering how this deserves a thread of its own instead of being posted in the stickied rumor thread where it belongs...

-1

I think we are not supposed to discus about it in the rumor thread. :rolleyes:

Alexander Dane

10-10-07, 04:35 AM

The annoying thing is Hunt's site gets a whole lot of hits on a daily basis.
I see these almost exact same "Blu Ray" promotional posts popping up on all kinds of boards, I noticed some Blu Ray fans are really agressive in trying to sell their format of choice to the fence sitters. And Bill really seems hellbent on stopping and hurting HD DVD sales any way he can doesn't he ?
To the poster that knows all about the Future shop dealings regarding HD DVD, did you or anyone else high up the ladder in your company get in contact with Mr. Hunt ? I think someone from your company should do that, and simply demand a correctional post from Hunt on his site.

kevivoe

10-10-07, 09:21 AM

[QUOTE=Grubert;11853692]SCAD[QUOTE]

Very good eye Grubert!

patrick99

10-10-07, 09:24 AM

I noticed some Blu Ray fans are really agressive in trying to sell their format of choice to the fence sitters.

The HD DVD side seems far more aggressive in this regard to me.

mikemorel

10-10-07, 09:42 AM

Blu-ray Vs. HD DVD: Don’t believe what you read on blogs! (http://www.digitalhome.ca/blog/2007/10/10/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-dont-believe-what-you-read-on-blogs/)

Several months ago Digital Home received a rash of posts on both Blu-ray and HD DVD forums about fictitious products and pricing.

When Digital Home investigated, we often found the source of the information was a blogger who was merely “speculating” or was writing about something they heard someone say somewhere in another language or on another forum.

The truth was many bloggers were simply HD DVD or Blu-ray supporters with a hidden or not so hidden agenda. Seldom did they take the time to investigate and find out the facts.

Another example of this failure to investigate comes from a major U.S. home theatre blog that is now reporting Future Shop may be dropping HD DVD players “due to lack of interest from customers”.

We investigated the report and found the source of the news was some unknown people who have spoken to some unknown sales reps at Future Shop who have spoken to some unknown managers at Future Shop.

So let’s analyze what this influential blogger is reporting.

Is the news from Future Shop? No. Is the news from a respected industry insider? No. Is it from any identifiable person No.

This so called “news” comes via some of the blogs readers, who say they spoke to some sales reps, who say they have insided knowledge of what’s going on inside Future Shop.

Could the simple truth be that Future Shop is sold out of HD DVD players and the sales rep would say anything to try and sell a competing player to a customer?

Now don’t get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with some speculation and rumour from established news organizations (Reuters, AP, CP, BBC, CBC, CTV, etc) or from the column of veteran industry analyst from a major site but readers should be cautious about a blog post by an outsider from another country.

For what it is worth, Several Future Shop employees have emailed me saying the story is nonsense and that the company is simply sold out of second generation players. Apparently the retailer will be stocking stores with third generation players real soon and the players are already listed in the company’s internal stocking system. Word is the Toshiba A3 and A30 will be sold for $349 and $449 respectively.

Of course, since this is a blog, you may not want to take my word for it!
Edit: Bill Hunt is an embarrasement and a disgrace - a BD troll who has others do his dirty work.

Nice job aristotles. :rolleyes:

wakashizuma

10-10-07, 09:51 AM

Bill Hunt is a disaster!

5thDanMaster

10-10-07, 09:54 AM

Blu-ray Vs. HD DVD: Don’t believe what you read on blogs! (http://www.digitalhome.ca/blog/2007/10/10/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-dont-believe-what-you-read-on-blogs/)

Edit: Bill Hunt is an embarrasement and a disgrace - a BD troll who has others do his dirty work.

Nice job aristotles. :rolleyes:

Another FUD rumor debunked!!!:p

http://www.digitalhome.ca/blog/2007/10/10/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-dont-believe-what-you-read-on-blogs/

GmanAVS

10-10-07, 09:56 AM

What is really annoying is that I have to sift through all this s*** when the mods could have easily locked up the original thread instead of dumping it in the Rumor one..... please, no more Bill Hunt stuff, seriously:mad:

anotheraviator

10-10-07, 10:44 AM

"Rumour: Futureshop may be dropping HD DVD standalones "

FUD FUD FUD

And, by it's own title, this belongs in the rumour thread anyway...

(Besides, Bill Hunt is not an extremely credible source these days, when it comes to anti-HD DVD "rumours" - which the reply from Furture Shop themselves plainly proves)

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10080720&catid=25324

Could someone please have Bill put this link at the end of his article?

Oh and while he's at it, make sure he says that the entire chain SOLD OUT of the "inferiorior never selling HD-DVD format" :)

Helvetian

10-10-07, 11:36 AM

Bill Hunt is terrible. His credibility went down the tubes.

casper77

10-10-07, 12:03 PM

I can't imagine why some people will still read and believe this guy has to say. I really hope someone put him on its place about manipulating the readers towards his bias. Seriously that has to stop.

jgyenese

10-10-07, 12:08 PM

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10080720&catid=25324

Could someone please have Bill put this link at the end of his article?

Oh and while he's at it, make sure he says that the entire chain SOLD OUT of the "inferiorior never selling HD-DVD format" :)

What I find interesting is how the customer ratings for the players compare on that site:
Toshiba HD-A2 Rating = 4.55 with 989 ratings.
Pioneer BDP-HD50 Rating = 1.91 with 206 ratings.
Sony BDPS30 Rating = 2.41 with 903 ratings.
LG SMB-007 (combo) Rating = 2.11 with 513 ratings.

Seems like the toshiba is well liked unit while the BD players are not.

IRockSoAwesome

10-10-07, 01:19 PM

rumor: Indiana Jones series coming to HD DVD and Blu-Ray in 2008

my source is: Devin Faraci at www.chud.com

Link: www.chud.com

I have sent additional info to mods

Time frame til confirmation: About a year I guess.

your certainty level of confirmation: 7

Comments: My brother, Devin Faraci, works for www.chud.com and spent some time with Steven Spielberg and a few other internet movie reporters yesterday. One person asked Spielberg if they would be re-releasing the previous three Indy flicks before the fourth installment came out. Spielberg said at most a one night kind of thing for the super fans, but they may put them on HD DVD and Blu-Ray in 2008.

shamus

10-10-07, 01:30 PM

2Channel

10-10-07, 01:51 PM

The HD DVD side seems far more aggressive in this regard to me.

You've never read blu-ray.com or any of the posts from the Blu-Bloods?

shamus

10-10-07, 02:02 PM

You've never read blu-ray.com or any of the posts from the Blu-Bloods?

Its really weird that you would go there just to read their posts...:confused:

SamwisetheBrave

10-10-07, 02:08 PM

The Doctor

10-10-07, 02:10 PM