Time for a poll - options for supporters of BOTH formats.

TruHD and DTS MA are both lossless codecs.

TruHD is decoded by all HD DVD players, and is decoded by more Bluray players than DTS MA.

What would be your preference for which one gets used for HD DVD and Bluray releases?

Dolby TrueHD.

I would love to be able to compare them all on the same track. I imagine the differences will be nil, so PCM/THD/MA, any 1 of the 3 would make me a happy camper.

The DTS HDMA hardware will come.

anyone of the 3 would do, be it pcm, truehd, or dts-ma. it is when release dont include any of the 3 that pisses me off.

if you make a poll out of this be sure to include "any of the above as long as one is available" as an option.

since fox and lionsgate are teh only studios i'm aware of consistantly using dts, what and how many titles on hd dvd have dts-ma?

anyone of the 3 would do, be it pcm, truehd, or dts-ma. it is when release dont include any of the 3 that pisses me off.

if you make a poll out of this be sure to include "any of the above as long as one is available" as an option.
Yes - the last choice is "Any of them, as long as my player can decode it"

Personally - I think it is very important that all HD DVD players can decode TruHD - So for HD DVD releases, it should be TruHD.

As for the BD format, I don't know. More BD players seem to decode TruHD than DTS MA, which would seem to make TruHD the better choice for many BD users also.

Very curious to see what everyone else thinks.

TruHD = Dolby TrueHD?

As long as the player can decode it internally, I don't care. Either is far superior over both standard DD and DTS.

Where's the option of lets wait and see what all have to offer before we condem one because our players can't decode them...

p.s. Before people start screaming A=B=C, I'd still prefer to see for myself.

I don't really care as long as my player can fully internally support it (as in bitstream for compressed lossless decoding is a choice, not a requirement.)

Given FOX has already chosen DTS-HD MA for all lossless, I can't see me buying a BD player that doesn't fully support the DTS-HD HR and MA CODECs! As long as all U.S. HD DVD studios continue to choose DD-THD for lossless, then my current players are fine, but if a studio decides to start using DTS-HD HR or MA instead, I'll have a problem.

As it is, I understand Studio Canal has a preference for DTS-HD MA on it's HD DVD releases. If and when I hit one of those titles, I'll immediately have a problem. HD DVD people in Europe already have that problem with their current players. I think that is a not-good situation :(!

Since I have not heard a DTS-HD MA track yet, I will have to refrain from voting. I will vote with what sounds best to my ear once I have heard all of the choices. I feel it is best for the studios to encode using the best sound quality. From the initial reports we have received, it appears that DTS-HD MA may be be the one to beat!

~Josh

Either DD+ at 1.5/LPCM/TruHD is fine with me as all 3 can be decoded by my players.

So is this a poll on whether I own a 6 channel analog input reciever . . . or am I going to buy, or already own, a receiver that can decode both lossless codecs?

:confused:

Where is the HD DVD supporter and all I want is DD+ option?

So is this a poll on whether I own a 6 channel analog input reciever . . . or am I going to buy, or already own, a receiver that can decode both lossless codecs?

:confused:
There will be a minority of people who will buy new AVRs that can decode TruHD and DTS MA - I might be in that minority, too.

But the majority of people will be doing their audio decoding in the players and then passing it to their AVR - whether by analog or digital means.

As such, because all HD DVD players (and many BD players) can decode TruHD in the player, it makes TruHD the most obvious choice for studios.

If 100% of HD players can decode TruHD, and almost 100% of HD players cannot decode DTS MA, then why would a studio choose to release in DTS MA and deprive themselves of sales to the MANY people that would have chosen the TruHD encode?

TruHD is a no-brainer for the HD DVD releases - the real question is whether to use TruHD for the BD releases also, (since quite a few BD players can decode TruHD) or use DTS MA for BD releases (which very few BD players can decode).

I vote TruHD on both formats, due the majority of players of both formats being able to decode it.

Where is the HD DVD supporter and all I want is DD+ option?If you are only here to make incendiary comments, I suggest you play somewhere else.

Just a bit of facts for this thread. . .

DTS has fallen on hard times.
Dolby on the other hand is having another record year as a company.

You can draw your own conclusions.

Lee Stewart - dont know where you get your "facts" but this is as false as it gets.

I'm fairly new to this forum and have been astonished at the amount of misinformation people spew out... even if they do have 5 or 7 thousand posts next to their name.

let me help you out with some elementary level research via this website called yahoo....try clicking below for a fact check before you post the "DTS has fallen on hard times" trash:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=dtsi

last 3 months:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=DTSI&t=3m

Whatever codec that doesn't have dialnorm encoded.

I don't care as long as it is something my player(s) can decode. The thought of having to go buy 3 or 4 more AVRs to decode things when EVERY HD DVD player I own can decode them sickens me.

As far as "I haven't heard them so I can't respond" THEY ARE BOTH LOSSLESS. If that is true then they should sound identical. If they aren't identical then one or the other isn't lossless.

Lee Stewart - dont know where you get your "facts" but this is as false as it gets.

I'm fairly new to this forum and have been astonished at the amount of misinformation people spew out... even if they do have 5 or 7 thousand posts next to their name.

let me help you out with some elementary level research via this website called yahoo....try clicking below for a fact check before you post the "DTS has fallen on hard times" trash:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=dtsi

last 3 months:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=DTSI&t=3m

Thank you for the update - post deleted.:o

I don't care which, I just wish more releases were using lossless audio in general. Even if I can't take advantage of it yet.

Since I have not heard a DTS-HD MA track yet, I will have to refrain from voting. I will vote with what sounds best to my ear once I have heard all of the choices. I feel it is best for the studios to encode using the best sound quality. From the initial reports we have received, it appears that DTS-HD MA may be be the one to beat!

~Josh
Why on earth would their be any discernible difference? Lossless is lossless. Unless you want to argue sample rates or bit depth (I don't know if the 2 formats in question are any different in this regard but I again have strong doubts that anyone would notice). I think the only point that matters is if your receiver can decode it...from my understanding, DTS MA can only be encoded by a few receivers while the players themselves can handle TruHD.

It's really a shame to see the continued misconceptions on lossless audio, even by some of these so-called insiders. Take a look at a zip file, uncompress it and tell me if you've lost any data in the process...

AAC! and MPEG:D That way manufactures can sell a new AVP... again... but Japanese, European users are somewhat covered!!

Don't really care as long as it sounds better than or equal to current DD+ 1.5 mbps transfers. However, since the audio format (lossless or Lossy, does not guaranteed pristine audio quality transfer other than the stored format), this poll has flaws.

If you are only here to make incendiary comments, I suggest you play somewhere else.

Given the comments from Filmmixer, DD+ at 1.5 is fine by me and while technically lossy, it gets the job done as well as any lossless.

I demo-ed DTS-HD Master Audio at CEDIA. Hands down DTS is a far superior format to Dolby's.

I want TrueHD and DTS HD MA on both HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray. Why is this not an option to vote for?

I voted DTS-HD-MA.(But I'm not sure if HD-DVD can utilise this format? I dont own a HD-DVD with any kind of DTS track to my knowledge) I think in the long term, (and we want HD movies on a disc to go long term, right?) this codec offers the best backward compatibility and efficiency.:)

Why isn't uncompressed PCM an option? At least for Blu-ray where the disk space and bandwidth aren't an issue.

Also, I don't have a preference which is used, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD MA, or uncompressed PCM, as long as every movie I purchase has at least one lossless audio track. It's not completely high-definition if only the video is increased while the audio remains inferior. High quality video AND lossless audio are a must for any format to be considered next-generation. Anything less is just a compromise.

I voted for dts-MA for both formats. Why? Because of two issues with TrueHD.

1) Dialnorm. Yes, TrueHD can be mastered without it, but it works it's way in too often.

2) The bandwidth peaks in TrueHD that limit the amount of bandwidth left over for video (see AmirM's discussion of this in the 'Nature's Journey' thread).

Any lossless format is great, and 1.5M DD+ is probably better than most people can make use of, but if we can have lossless without having to allocate more bandwidth than necessary, it can only be an improvement.

I really don't care which codecs are used for audio or video as long as the format that the movie is delivered has the space and bandwidth to deliver uncompromised PQ and AQ for that title.

EDIT: and my HD-XA2 or PS3 support internal decoding of the codec;)

PCM whenever possible. TrueHD or DTS-HDMA otherwise.

PCM whenever possible. TrueHD or DTS-HDMA otherwise.But uncompressed PCM is a total waste of space. That's why it's not in the poll... So the choice is between TrueHD or DTS MA.

Time for a poll - options for supporters of BOTH formats.

TruHD and DTS MA are both lossless codecs.

TruHD is decoded by all HD DVD players, and is decoded by more Bluray players than DTS MA.

What would be your preference for which one gets used for HD DVD and Bluray releases?

rdjam,

your messiah's take on Dolby True-HD ;)

-> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11764291#post11764291

I demo-ed DTS-HD Master Audio at CEDIA. Hands down DTS is a far superior format to Dolby's.This might be a good time to remind everyone that DTS MA and TrueHD will sound identical.

The real issue is that almost no players can decode DTS MA, whereas most players can decode TruHD.

But uncompressed PCM is a total waste of space. That's why it's not in the poll... So the choice is between TrueHD or DTS MA.

If you have the space, why not use pcm.:D

By the way there are a lot more discs out there with PCM lossless than any other lossless audio format. I would think it should be on the poll.

You just won't add it because it doesn't fit your "agenda".

This might be a good time to remind everyone that DTS MA and TrueHD will sound identical.Here's an interesting article (http://www.hddvdheaven.com/newsitem/Lossless_Audio_Codecs--1.html) that illustrates that very point.

Actually, after doing some quick math, there are more pcm lossless tracks than TruHD and DTS HD MA tracks combined. On both formats combined.

Blu Ray

134 LPCM
15 TruHD
35 DTS HD MA

HD DVD

3 LPCM
51 TruHD
1 DTS HD MA

Just for the record.....

Are there any HDM players that don't play PCM?

My option isn't there.

"DTS-MA or TrueHD or PCM - I don't care as long as my player EITHER decodes it or outputs it as bitstream through HDMI"

Are there any HDM players that don't play PCM?

The 360 add-on cannot do a multi-channel PCM track; actually it cannot output a TrueHD or DTS-MA track as either bitstream or PCM.

The 360 add-on cannot do a multi-channel PCM track; actually it cannot output a TrueHD or DTS-MA track as either bitstream or PCM.

Unless used in an HTPC.

Actually, after doing some quick math, there are more pcm lossless tracks than TruHD and DTS HD MA tracks combined. On both formats combined.

Blu Ray

134 LPCM
15 TruHD
35 DTS HD MA

HD DVD

3 LPCM
51 TruHD
1 DTS HD MA

Just for the record.....

A great piece of data to keep in mind. :)

But uncompressed PCM is a total waste of space. That's why it's not in the poll... So the choice is between TrueHD or DTS MA.

Only a waste a space if you don't have the extra space for it!