With all the games releasing in October, a price drop would be a smart move. Translated from GamePro France.

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The FCC tags all over show us a new SKU is coming. Now the question is $499 or $399...

Even if its $399 Microsoft learned that is still more than the average consumer is willing to pay.

They need to lower it to $349

most likely a price drop, but they'll probably make other smaller announcement.s

Rumors are that that thing will be released on October 30th. Spider-Man 3 hits that day, and R&CF:ToD is now coming out then as well. R&C was actually delayed a week from the 23rd, despite the fact that it has already gone gold. Fishy, eh? Some are predicting a SM3 "Movie Bundle" and a R&C5 "Gaming Bundle" in an effort to advertise both sides of the console. Maybe the 80GB will come with R&C from then on?

The FCC tags all over show us a new SKU is coming. Now the question is $499 or $399...

Even if its $399 Microsoft learned that is still more than the average consumer is willing to pay.

At 499-599, the PS3 hasn't done too bad for under 12months in. If the announcement is indeed a 399 sku, systems will move BIGTIME. Don't kid yourself.

At 499-599, the PS3 hasn't done too bad for under 12months in. If the announcement is indeed a 399 sku, systems will move BIGTIME. Don't kid yourself.

im not im expecting about 2 million consoles moved when the price is annouced.

According to vgchartz.com;
10 months after launch 4.47 million xbox 360 were sold.
10 months after launch 4.64 million PS3 were sold.

But due to the head start I really feel the PS3 needs to be at $399 or less to begin to catch up.

According to vgchartz.com;
10 months after launch 4.47 million xbox 360 were sold.
10 months after launch 4.64 million PS3 were sold.

But due to the head start I really feel the PS3 needs to be at $399 or less to begin to catch up.

I also like to look at the USA figures separately. Without being smug, I like to think that we actually treat the next gen consoles with more fairness--the only reason I say this is because M$ is abhorred in Asian counties, so I don't use their figures as a litmus test for the console's success. In the USA, we've got alot of fans of Sony, MS and Nintendo, which I think gives us a more even keeled view of the race. Here are the USA sales figures aligned by launch dates. (http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=America&cons2=PS3&reg2=America&cons3=X360&reg3=America&align=1)

As for the topic at hand, a $399 PS3 would be worth the price of admission for the excellent BD player alone. I still prefer the 360 for my gaming needs, but you can't argue with the gorgeous picture from my BD collection. :)

Only two great games that are exclusive..........RFOm and Motorstorm. I don't care if they make it 299.99

There are not enough games yet to compete. Halo3 was a big blow.

Only two great games that are exclusive..........RFOm and Motorstorm. I don't care if they make it 299.99

There are not enough games yet to compete. Halo3 was a big blow.

The 360 has been out how long and "Halo3 was a big blow" ... ??? the 360 is a wallace and grommit explod-o-matic and no games will help that.

Only two great games that are exclusive..........RFOm and Motorstorm. I don't care if they make it 299.99

There are not enough games yet to compete. Halo3 was a big blow.
:rolleyes: Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Only two great games that are exclusive..........RFOm and Motorstorm. I don't care if they make it 299.99

There are not enough games yet to compete. Halo3 was a big blow.
RFOM, MotorStorm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Tekken 5 DR, UT3, Time Crisis 4, Singstar and Haze will be their exclusive lineup going into the holiday season. plus high profile multiplatform titles like Assassins Creed, CoD4 and other good games like Jericho, Timeshift, Blacksite Area 51, Army of Two, HL2 Orange Box, Rock Band, GH3 + more. that line is at least as good as the 360s lineup was in the 06 holiday season and they sold over 1m over that time at 399. plus they don't have to lower it to 349 this year anyway, 399 is enough. we will probably see 349 next year, maybe even 299.

RFOM, MotorStorm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Tekken 5 DR, UT3, Time Crisis 4, Singstar and Haze will be their exclusive lineup going into the holiday season. plus high profile multiplatform titles like Assassins Creed, CoD4 and other good games like Jericho, Timeshift, Blacksite Area 51, Army of Two, HL2 Orange Box, Rock Band, GH3 + more. that line is at least as good as the 360s lineup was in the 06 holiday season and they sold over 1m over that time at 399. plus they don't have to lower it to 349 this year anyway, 399 is enough. we will probably see 349 next year, maybe even 299.

great line up for 07 but nothing compared to the 08 line up. thats when the big bang theory will really kick in.
ffxiii,mgs4,kz2,littlebig,africa,gow3,ico3,gt nexgen,la noir,etc etc etc. feel free to add to list

by the way production cycle for a game like halo4 is at least 36months. look at the history of the releases. so if it has been in development for the last 12 months(witch i doubt)the soonest launch is 09 but i bet on 2010. what else is there crackdown 2.

by the way production cycle for a game like gaylo4 is aleast 36months. look at the history of the releases. so if it has been in development for the last 12 months(witch i doubt) i soonest launch is 09 but i bet on 2010. what else is there crackhead 2.

I don't mean to be rude but we don't need any of this around here. We have enough of that. I am not a fan of MS/Xbox either but you don't need to be going around bashing other games on other consoles. That and it would be nice if you worked on your grammar a little bit. Would help us to understand you a bit better. ;)

great line up for 07 but nothing compared to the 08 line up. thats when the big bang theory will really kick in.
ffxiii,mgs4,kz2,littlebig,africa,gow3,ico3,gt nexgen,la noir,etc etc etc. feel free to add to list

gow3 and ico3 in '08? they havent even been announced yet.......

great line up for 07 but nothing compared to the 08 line up. thats when the big bang theory will really kick in.
ffxiii,mgs4,kz2,littlebig,africa,gow3,ico3,gt nexgen,la noir,etc etc etc. feel free to add to list
agreed. if they outsell MS this holiday season (i kind of doubt it) great, but they dont have to. all Sony has to do this year is make sure MS' lead doesn't get too big. 2008 is Sony's year...

Only two great games that are exclusive..........RFOm and Motorstorm. I don't care if they make it 299.99

There are not enough games yet to compete. Halo3 was a big blow.

:rolleyes:

I agree. i just finished Halo 3 about half an hour ago and it was a big blow to my expectations. I expected something earth shatteringly epic for the amount of 10 out of 10's it received. Not to ruin it for anyone still trying to finish it, but it really isn't light years different from halo 2 story or gameplay wise. I enjoyed it, but the hype leading up to it really made me expect a lot more.

Seriously, all my biases aside, lets just hope that little big planet and other hype machines can live up to their expectations. I am tired of being disappointed gamer because I listen to game reviews and media spin.

back to the topic at hand. I think that lowering the price will make a big difference. In my country (Canada), my friends and I don't read sales charts to decide which system to own. We play games. All it will take is for games to come out that justify the purchase of the system. Right now I am the only ps3 owner, and I am fairly certain a price cut will definitely sway them to make a decision to buy sooner, rather than later.

:rolleyes:

I agree. i just finished Halo 3 about half an hour ago and it was a big blow to my expectations. I expected something earth shatteringly epic for the amount of 10 out of 10's it received. Not to ruin it for anyone still trying to finish it, but it really isn't light years different from halo 2 story or gameplay wise. I enjoyed it, but the hype leading up to it really made me expect a lot more.

Seriously, all my biases aside, lets just hope that little big planet and other hype machines can live up to their expectations. I am tired of being disappointed gamer because I listen to game reviews and media spin.

back to the topic at hand. I think that lowering the price will make a big difference. In my country (Canada), my friends and I don't read sales charts to decide which system to own. We play games. All it will take is for games to come out that justify the purchase of the system. Right now I am the only ps3 owner, and I am fairly certain a price cut will definitely sway them to make a decision to buy sooner, rather than later.
Agreed Halo3 was a BIG disappointment for me as well.

Agreed Halo3 was a BIG disappointment for me as well.

I guess i will join the bandwagon and say the same thing I played 10mins of it at friends house and just put the controller down went home and play motorstorm personally and Lair. :cool:

Halo 3 discussion does not belong here!

Let's get back on-topic!

RFOM, MotorStorm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Tekken 5 DR, UT3, Time Crisis 4, Singstar and Haze will be their exclusive lineup going into the holiday season. plus high profile multiplatform titles like Assassins Creed, CoD4 and other good games like Jericho, Timeshift, Blacksite Area 51, Army of Two, HL2 Orange Box, Rock Band, GH3 + more. that line is at least as good as the 360s lineup was in the 06 holiday season and they sold over 1m over that time at 399. plus they don't have to lower it to 349 this year anyway, 399 is enough. we will probably see 349 next year, maybe even 299.

That's a pretty solid holiday lineup. The only thing that bothers me about the industry in general is that too many of the holiday releases are packed into late Oct/Nov. There has been a dry spell since Heavenly Sword came out almost a month ago that has left me playing Madden 08 for the past month and a half. I'm waiting for R&C, COD4 and UT3, but unfortunately all of those games are released within a few weeks of each of other, making it difficult to have the time and money to play all of them.

agreed. if they outsell MS this holiday season (i kind of doubt it) great, but they dont have to. all Sony has to do this year is make sure MS' lead doesn't get too big. 2008 is Sony's year...

I agree! Plus this is not far from the truth...

Sony needs to push companies to start developing decent exclusive games rather than pushing it as a BD player.

I still only have 2 games for the PS3 (but 20+ movies).

I also like to look at the USA figures separately. Without being smug, I like to think that we actually treat the next gen consoles with more fairness--the only reason I say this is because M$ is abhorred in Asian counties, so I don't use their figures as a litmus test for the console's success. In the USA, we've got alot of fans of Sony, MS and Nintendo, which I think gives us a more even keeled view of the race. Here are the USA sales figures aligned by launch dates. (http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=America&cons2=PS3&reg2=America&cons3=X360&reg3=America&align=1)

Not counting Asian sales is the only "fair" way to compare? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Most of MS fanbase is in the US, so why is it more fair to only count their "home market"?

We have all three major game systems at our house.

I believe Halo 3 actually represents a huge opportunity for the PS3. Though I haven't played it yet, my boys have and have finished it. They had a good time not a great time and by the end were even joking about how all Halo games end the same way. Later, when I asked them about their opinions, they said "ehh, too short, too much the same, and a lame ending"(I paraphrase). *But*, and this is the important part, they spent most of the weekend playing multiplayer with their friends and this will be the most requested multiplayer game for several months. This follows the same pattern as Halos 1 & 2.

Why does this represent a huge opportunity for the PS3? When I asked whether they would buy a Halo 4(the ending leaves open that possiblity), they said, and I quote, "Eh, maybe". Is the Halo phenomenon played out? Maybe so.

If the PS3 has in UT3 or Haze an FPS with a fun story, a strong coop mode, and a strong multiplayer and online experience. The great, but different story would be the hook but it's the multiplayer that keeps people coming back. I hope they can do it.

Anyway, Time Crisis 4 is pretty much a must buy in our home. YMMV. Uncharted is a strong possibility. The boys would rather eat bugs than play Singstar.

Any multiplatform games will be based on price and advantages of the platform. For example, Stranglehold is a PS3 game because of the movie.

People on the PS3 forum go off topic just to bash H3. AVS becomes GameFaq's a little more each day.

People on the PS3 forum go off topic just to bash H3. AVS becomes GameFaq's a little more each day.


Way to raise the bar with your insight, Chief.


If Sony released a PS3 for $399 including R&C, it'd be nothing but helpful.

agreed. if they outsell MS this holiday season (i kind of doubt it) great, but they dont have to. all Sony has to do this year is make sure MS' lead doesn't get too big. 2008 is Sony's year...

I thought 2007 was Sony's year? This stated back in 2006.

Way to raise the bar with your insight, Chief.

I don't need to write a 1000 word essay to get to the point "chief". The fact of the matter is I come into the PS3 section to see what's up, and it seems no matter what the topic is, someone always manages to drag the 360 and now Halo into the conversation.
If Sony released a PS3 for $399 including R&C, it'd be nothing but helpful.
That's great, at that price I will probably pick up one myself. But I won't feel the need to put down the 360 when and if I do.

I will almost definitely purchase a PS3 at $399 and definitely purchase one at $349. It's a great value for a BR player. Even though there are only a handful of games that I want to play for it, the line up for Sony next year seems to be getting stronger. MS can't be denied that they have a huge Fall/Winter line up, but I see my 360 not getting a lot of play next year, sans MP in Halo 3 and COD 4. I think Sony will have a huge year next year and I want to be on board, just not for more than $400.

PS3 dropped a "temporary" price of $100 and see a major boost on sales.
If they "permanently" make this 40GB $399, then god knows what will happen.
I guess Sony will advertise the hell out of it.

I thought 2007 was Sony's year? This stated back in 2006.
Whoever said that was a fool. I expect it was marketing hype from Sony or just trash talk from a PS fanboy. How could they expect Sony to do well during the debut of a $500-$600 system with first generation games?

A good example is seen by looking at the launch of the 360. 2006 was definitely not MS's year, it was the PS2's. It is very unlikely that you would sell more than established consoles with a good library during your launch year.

The exception of course is 2007 in which everyone expected that it would be the 360's year. Instead, it ended up being Nintendo's year. But, who could have guessed that.

I thought 2007 was Sony's year? This stated back in 2006.
i'm not talking about what Sony said, i'm talking about what i think...

It barely launched in the rest of the world, in 2007. So why would it matter? 399.99 is a killer price for the holidays. Now the line up should look a lot different than what it did in 2006.

Forget the price of the unit but honestly I wonder who in their right mind would pay $59.99 for a game.

I own one game...Stardust :)

I use mine for BD and would use it for games if there was something engrossing enough to play and would last me more than a week or two.

I know I'll buy one game, GT5, that'll be it. One of the few games which IMO is worth $59.99 or even $69.99, that will give you months of entertainment.

I've rented quite a few games and found none of them to be all that great overall. FPS are not worth it on a PS3/Xbox because control on a PC is so much better.

I thought 2007 was Sony's year? This stated back in 2006.

That was before GT5, FFXIII, and MGS4 all got delayed. Of course, anybody who thought that FFXIII or GT5 would make it out in '07 were fools to begin with. :rolleyes:

I expect the 399.99 price as well, maybe they'll throw in something else small like MGS4 is making it in 07. ;) Honestly i think at a price of 399 the PS3 could outsell the 360 this holiday season. Not so much the price in my eyes, but the holiday exclusives. Really its Mass Effect, Scene It, Kingdom Under Fire, and World in Conflict(PC too) versus Haze, UT3, R&C, Time Crisis, Uncharted, Eye of Judgment, possibly GT Prologue, and Singstar, plus Rock Band gets a wireless guitar for PS3, also the Home open beta. It just seems the exclusives are much stronger for the PS3. Looks like a pretty good 07 to me.

Offtopic: The ps3 game library will never be "good enough". Thats about the only negative thing I hear from people now, "ya but it aint got no games" "whens the games coming out?" When we get past the game argument its "thats all I ever hear about the ps3, is that its GONNA be for real, when is it for real for real?" and so on...it makes me sad that sony doesnt advertise more, there are SO many opportunities to capture and yet it seems like sony doesnt want to jump on any of them.

Ontopic: I've fell out of love with my ps3 but the addiction keeps me coming back. I havent played a game in a few weeks but I still constantly check my JPN, AUS, EU, HK, and USA PS store every few days. I still look at these forums everyday and I still look at IGN hoping to catch some news, something that will give me "that" feeling back. I hate the type of gamer I've become...I never used to care about what games were coming out. I've never played a MGS or RC, and yet Im setting them up on a platform that I know they almost certainly will not achieve. The only games I've really anticipated were FF series and God of War2. I dont really want to have to care about these other games and yet I've been sucked into it. FF and random multiplayer shooters are the only reasons I had a ps2, now its like I friggin work for sony the amount of "research" and publicity I try to push its way.

Hopefully along with the price drop they will start pushing the advertising to the max. I know they didnt have to advertise that hard with the ps2 but they are going to have to start upping their efforts by atleast 300% I see probably 50 xbox commercials for ever 1 ps3 commercial I see.

the only reason I say this is because M$ is abhorred in Asian counties


I didn't notice that at all, with the exception of Japan of course, the 360 was pretty popular in the rest of Asian due to being able to pirate games right of the bat. The rest of asian is pretty jumbled up as far as distribution of consoles is concerned, you can easy pick up a Japanese, US or European designated console in most places.

Rumors are that that thing will be released on October 30th. Spider-Man 3 hits that day, and R&CF:ToD is now coming out then as well. R&C was actually delayed a week from the 23rd, despite the fact that it has already gone gold. Fishy, eh? Some are predicting a SM3 "Movie Bundle" and a R&C5 "Gaming Bundle" in an effort to advertise both sides of the console. Maybe the 80GB will come with R&C from then on?

I think you got it right. Insomniac said on their own podcast that RCF would come out on the 23rd. Then it was changed, seems like they will bundle it.

It's going to have to be exclusives that pull me away from my xbox. I finally have both systems (have no need for a wii unless i'm hosting a party), but am playing my xbox a lot more and as many others are I'm using it more as a BD player than a gaming machine. I'd consider switching to PS3 for my multiplatform sports games like madden, but 90% of the people i game with don't own one.

There are not enough games yet to compete. Halo3 was a big blow.

Now, maybe not. At the end of the year, yes. In June 08, definitely.

I want to see if Halo 3 could help Microsoft sell 500K 360s in September.

I hear from people now, "ya but it aint got no games" "whens the games coming out?"

Saying the PS3 has no games is like saying all 360s RRoD. (Yes, it's a verb now.)

Saying the PS3 has no games is like saying all 360s RRoD. (Yes, it's a verb now.)


Except RRoD, prevalent as it may be, doesnt seem to have the detraction factor as much as the ps3 and the "no games" situation. I dont see anyone hesitating to buy a 360 because of the RRoD. The main point of my post was on the percieved lack of games, I was saying that I think no matter how many games the ps3 has coming out or out for it, there will, atleast for a few years, have the percieved lack. Especially with EVERY SINGLE EA commercial has an xbox 360 preference.

I don't suppose this Big Bang is the return of an official Playstation magazine?

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-01-2007/0004672920&EDATE=

Looks like that PR was meant to be released today though and not the 12th so it's probably unrelated.

Most ppl I've talked to really haven't heard that much about the RROD for the 360. Atleast with the possible buyers I've talked to when they were researching which console to buy. But the only 2 guys I know that have the 360 both of which had to send theirs in for repair 5 months after purchase, they were bought at the same time and with in a week they both went down. So I think MS gets by, by not having any media outlet out there that lets the public know about their situation with a 3 out of 5 failure rate ( it could be 1 of 3). Couldn't imagine what would happen to any electronics company with that kind of failure rate, but MS gets by with it.

Oh one more thing SONY START ADVERTISING PLEASE LOL. Everyone is right when talking of seeing 50 xbox ads to maybe 1 ps3 ad. It is really crazy to put a system out and not even try to push it at all. Sony is stepping up now with the games but alot of ppl get pumped out about the xbox cause they see it all the time on commercials or the internet and tend to forget about the ps3 cause its no where to be found when speaking of advertisments.

Most stellar games released these days are "too short". Quality over Quantity as the expression goes. Halo is really all about the multiplayer...the SP component is nice, but show me a FPS that you can't finish in 5-6 hours these days if you really try hard to..answer...none. Same arguement with Heavenly Sword I believe....really good game, but too short.

Warhawk being multi-only (and not really having anything to do with the great PS1 game per say) hurt it badly, Lair...well Lair seems to be a love-it-or-hate-it thing.

R&C isn't really any big deal.....PS3 owners are drooling because it looks like a good game on a system starved for "good games", but otherwise platformers aren't really the kind of game that gets systems flyign off shelves.

Killzone 2 will sell alot of systems if it doesn't suck, thats the PS3's HALO 3. GT5 as well.

Only GRAW and R6 give me what I call "value for my dollar"...those games I'm still playing terrorist hunt on, or multiplayer co-op on, etc...long after the single player campaigns were beaten.

Where Sony needs work is on its online component...even if a game looked and played better on the PS3, I'd still buy it for 360 if the game had a strong online component becuase LIVE just "works"...whereas on the PS3 that service is still evolving....I think they correct for that, their system will start to grow the legs it needs to compete for the next few years.

Where Sony needs work is on its online component...even if a game looked and played better on the PS3, I'd still buy it for 360 if the game had a strong online component becuase LIVE just "works"...whereas on the PS3 that service is still evolving....I think they correct for that, their system will start to grow the legs it needs to compete for the next few years.

I don't agree with you very often HR, but on this I most certainly do. I was at a friends house playing Halo 3 this weekend and was floored by how easy it was for us to move from the custom offline multiplayer game we were playing into a party online and hook up with some of his other buddies and get right into an online match against some other folks. That and the ability to have up to 3 guests logged in under your username is absolutely fantastic. This same thing should be mandatory for all PS3 games. When my friends are over, LET THEM PLAY!!

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-71374.aspx

This would be awesome.

very interesting...

Except RRoD, prevalent as it may be, doesnt seem to have the detraction factor as much as the ps3 and the "no games" situation. I dont see anyone hesitating to buy a 360 because of the RRoD. The main point of my post was on the percieved lack of games, I was saying that I think no matter how many games the ps3 has coming out or out for it, there will, atleast for a few years, have the percieved lack. Especially with EVERY SINGLE EA commercial has an xbox 360 preference.I would absolutely have a 360 right now if it weren't for RRoD. The kicker for me is that people that are bit by it seem more likely to be bit by it again (higher refurb failure rate). I am sure Microsoft will get this straightened out in time and I will then still most likely get a 360.

I would absolutely have a 360 right now if it weren't for RRoD. The kicker for me is that people that are bit by it seem more likely to be bit by it again (higher refurb failure rate). I am sure Microsoft will get this straightened out in time and I will then still most likely get a 360.

I wouldn't be too sure if some of the rumors concerning the new Falcon chip are true.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=916673

I just got a RRoD on my 360 after popping in Halo 3 for the first time and I can tell you that its NOT fun to deal with. The problem is probably worse in my mind since Halo 3 just came out, but its just a big PITA.

According to vgchartz.com;
10 months after launch 4.47 million xbox 360 were sold.
10 months after launch 4.64 million PS3 were sold.

But due to the head start I really feel the PS3 needs to be at $399 or less to begin to catch up.

I also like to look at the USA figures separately. Without being smug, I like to think that we actually treat the next gen consoles with more fairness--the only reason I say this is because M$ is abhorred in Asian counties, so I don't use their figures as a litmus test for the console's success. In the USA, we've got alot of fans of Sony, MS and Nintendo, which I think gives us a more even keeled view of the race. Here are the USA sales figures aligned by launch dates. (http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=America&cons2=PS3&reg2=America&cons3=X360&reg3=America&align=1)

As for the topic at hand, a $399 PS3 would be worth the price of admission for the excellent BD player alone. I still prefer the 360 for my gaming needs, but you can't argue with the gorgeous picture from my BD collection. :)Not counting Asian sales is the only "fair" way to compare? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Most of MS fanbase is in the US, so why is it more fair to only count their "home market"?


I guess you can look at numbers however you want too. :)

One thing to keep in mind is that the 360 had a year+ head start and was selling the ONLY "next-gen" system during that time with 0 competition in that arena.

The PS3 and Wii made it a 3-way race for hearts and minds of fanboys and newspaper pundits. ;)

So looking at it like that, it could make one wonder why MS didn't sell much more of their less expensive next gen console during that competition-less year. (I did my part... I bought a 360 at launch!)

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=gta&thread.id=306992

man if this is really it ...

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=gta&thread.id=306992

man if this is really it ...

That would be huge, but that release calender doesn't seem very convincing. UT3 isn't even on it.

I work for a Sony Store in Australia and my Playstation rep just called to ask how many 40GB consoles I wanted to order. Here are the details:

40 GB Hard Drive
NO card Readers
No PS2 Chipset (Basically no PS2 Compatability)

Australian RRP is $699 (compared to $999 for the 60GB), so thats a 30% price decrease. There are no 60GB consoles left.

Release date is October 12th. There you go guys, first official confirmation!

No PS2 Chipset (Basically no PS2 Compatability)


That kinda sucks, one of the big features I like about the PS3 is that I can play my old games on the system.

That kinda sucks, one of the big features I like about the PS3 is that I can play my old games on the system.

I can't imagine that it wouldnt have software emulation. That costs NOTHING to implement at this point. I'm sure that is referring to the emotion chip.

Sony already took the Emotion Engine out of the 80GB consoles. You won't be losing all BC. They've implemented software emulation for well of 75% of ps2 games and 99% of ps1 games.

Also, I think this guy is just messing with us...

Also, I think this guy is just messing with us...

Messing with you hey? How about you check my post history before you shoot your mouth off, alienating people that are actually in the industry. Why do you think Paid Geek doesnt turn up anymore, geez...

The backwards compatability will be removed because the software emulation works in conjunction with the PS2 chipset. It emulates the emotion engine. The European models have never had the emotion engine, but they have had the chipset. With the chipset gone as well, it simply will not work.

Messing with you hey? How about you check my post history before you shoot your stupid mouth off.

The backwards compatability will be removed because the software emulation works in conjunction with the PS2 chipset. With that gone as well, it simply will not work.

no. it will work just like with the 360s b/c

80 gig models with motorstorm already had the emotion chip removed and they play games but there is problems with some games right now

Messing with you hey? How about you check my post history before you shoot your mouth off, alienating people that are actually in the industry. Why do you think Paid Geek doesnt turn up anymore, geez...

The backwards compatability will be removed because the software emulation works in conjunction with the PS2 chipset. It emulates the emotion engine. The European models have never had the emotion engine, but they have had the chipset. With the chipset gone as well, it simply will not work.

Sorry about that man. I immediately checked your post history after that and saw that you're an okay guy. Instead of editing my post, I immediately ran off to another forum to post the news, lol.

Edit: Here's (http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=7836&start=-0) the thread I made, btw.

PS3 contains PS2-specific hardware!

This is EU 60GB and US 80GB mobo:
http://i23.tinypic.com/2woxjj9.jpg

The chip inside the red ring is the GS, ie the PS2 "GPU". If they remove that part they will save some money (no chip, less complex mobo), the price for that is that backwards compatability has to go.

I was thinking the same thing. They took out the EE chip and went to software emulation but who knows if there was still some hardware in there beside the EE chip needed to make the emulation work corrrectly. They could have cheapened up the board even more and maybe it would loose BC. I'm no Sony Eng so I, as most of us, can't say software emulation is 100% free. It may still use some other hardware that has been removed.

We shall see.

It does still have PS2 hardware inside, as my_pacman and others have already pointed out. There's no question about it. Sony has said so themselves months ago when the PS3 first launched in Europe.

Even without BC I think the $399 model will do fairly well. Sony is realizing that lower price is more important to mass market acceptance than are many of the great features of the original PS3. The limited BC of the 360 has not seemed to be detrimental to sales.

Supposedly the pricing for Europe will be:

Console only for 399 €
Starter (with TWO games and TWO pads) for 499€

I work for a Sony Store in Australia and my Playstation rep just called to ask how many 40GB consoles I wanted to order. Here are the details:

40 GB Hard Drive
NO card Readers
No PS2 Chipset (Basically no PS2 Compatability)

Australian RRP is $699 (compared to $999 for the 60GB), so thats a 30% price decrease. There are no 60GB consoles left.

Release date is October 12th. There you go guys, first official confirmation!Any idea if the Dualshock 3 will be included or just the standard Sixaxis? Thanks.

Even without BC I think the $399 model will do fairly well. Sony is realizing that lower price is more important to mass market acceptance than are many of the great features of the original PS3. The limited BC of the 360 has not seemed to be detrimental to sales.

Agreed, i also feel a lot of people getting a PS3 have a PS2, i know i did and just ended up trading it in.

Agreed, i also feel a lot of people getting a PS3 have a PS2, i know i did and just ended up trading it in.

Just out of curiosity, how much did you get for your PS2?

Big Bang --- Maybe something to do with Little Big Planet. And of course the 40gb ps3 (aka the return of the 20gb).

Just out of curiosity, how much did you get for your PS2?

Well at the time i worked at gamestop and they were running 20$ extra on system trade ins, as they are now, and i have an edge card so i ended up getting like 50-60 dollars after all the bonuses. :D At the time the trade in value for ps2's was either 25 or 30 dollars.

Well at the time i worked at gamestop and they were running 20$ extra on system trade ins, as they are now, and i have an edge card so i ended up getting like 50-60 dollars after all the bonuses. :D At the time the trade in value for ps2's was either 25 or 30 dollars.

Lucky man.

Now I just have to wait to see if GameStop is hiring around the time they run that promotion again so I can do a quick one-day sell-and-quit gig. :D

Lucky man.

Now I just have to wait to see if GameStop is hiring around the time they run that promotion again so I can do a quick one-day sell-and-quit gig. :D

Now till the 21st you get an extra 20$ on console trade ins, so you're probably looking at 45$, not too bad. I worked there for 3 weeks got a PS3 a Wii and a bunch of free stuff. :D

Now till the 21st you get an extra 20$ on console trade ins, so you're probably looking at 45$, not too bad. I worked there for 3 weeks got a PS3 a Wii and a bunch of free stuff. :D

LOL. Looks like you had the same ideas. ;)

I would trade-in my old Xbox to take advantage of this deal... if it hadn't died on me some months ago. :p

Here is a long shot, what if this rumored 12th announcement had anything remotely to do with this totally unsubstantiated rumor.
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=21399

gossiping about the announcement is probably more interesting than the actual announcement.

Here is a long shot, what if this rumored 12th announcement had anything remotely to do with this totally unsubstantiated rumor.
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=21399Nah. Bungie might go independant but they're not teaming up with Sony or anything.

I must say I'm excited to see that bungie will be working on something other than Halo. I would imagine it will be nice as a developer to be free from a title with so much anticipation and hype. Don't have to worry about trying to go in a different direction and innovate without the possibility of "ruining the franchise" in the opinions of many of the fans. I hope they put out some good games, and I'm sure they will.

gossiping about the announcement is probably more interesting than the actual announcement.It usually is.

Sony Announcement: Hot new PS3 deal, 40gb Ps3 for $399.99.....also: all previously announced games shipping prior to xmas of 2007 now pushed to xmas 2008, but incredible new beta of Folding coming for Thanksgiving. Sign up soon, because space on the folding beta is very limited!"

Sony Announcement: Hot new PS3 deal, 40gb Ps3 for $399.99.....also: all previously announced games shipping prior to xmas of 2007 now pushed to xmas 2008, but incredible new beta of Folding coming for Thanksgiving. Sign up soon, because space on the folding beta is very limited!"

A folding joke, HILARIOUS! Never heard one of those before. Next you'll probably grace us with a 360 RROD joke and a Wii kiddie game joke.

A folding joke, HILARIOUS! Never heard one of those before. Next you'll probably grace us with a 360 RROD joke and a Wii kiddie game joke.

Just making a point.....Sony and their announcements...clearance sales...upcoming betas.....talk talk talk talk.

Just making a point....
I think you missed.

.....talk talk talk talk.

Pot, meet kettle. Maybe you should work for Sony, HR. You like to blow hot air just as much as they do.

If I wanted to play PS2 games I would have bought a PS2.

Besides a few PS2 games, my PS3 also won't play atari 2600 games or anything that came out on the "pong" system. Yet I'm strangely uneffected by all this. I guess I got a PS3 because I was interested in playing this generation of games, not stuff from a few years ago.

If I wanted to play PS2 games I would have bought a PS2.

Besides a few PS2 games, my PS3 also won't play atari 2600 games or anything that came out on the "pong" system. Yet I'm strangely uneffected by all this. I guess I got a PS3 because I was interested in playing this generation of games, not stuff from a few years ago.

Finally a great answer. How about games for the PS3 not old stuff and more BD movies to pull the wool over our eyes.

Even without BC I think the $399 model will do fairly well. Sony is realizing that lower price is more important to mass market acceptance than are many of the great features of the original PS3. The limited BC of the 360 has not seemed to be detrimental to sales.

Ya, it might sell well, but the backlash could be a lot worse if it had no backwards compatability at all.

If the price drops, a lot of old PS2 users might finally come aboard. But guess what most of them will do assuming it has the much touted b/c? Trade-in their PS2s then be angry as hell at Sony that a much hyped feature of the PS3 isn't included. Not everyone reads everything on these boards, a lot of people might miss the fact that b/c isn't included with this new unit.

I for one hope that that just meant the EE won't be on it, just like the 80gb. I think completely taking away b/c to drop price is a big mistake.

So where is this announcement??

Donde?

I'm at work so I have my RSS feeds up for gaming sites I can't access so we will see.

The big news was of the 40GB PS3 with no PS2 support.

The big news was of the 40GB PS3 with no PS2 support.


We all knew what it would refer to but where is the official press release? Where are the articles?

Many of us would like to hear the details directly from Sony....

+1

The announcement was that is was a rumor ;)

The big news was of the 40GB PS3 with no PS2 support.

For Europe?

Not sure if this was the announcement they were referring to:

Details are admittedly scant on this one, but after Don Eklund, executive VP of advanced technologies for Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, got done praising the growth of high-definition movies at HDTV DisplaySearch, he also mentioned that the PlayStation 3 was due a firmware update. More specifically, he noted that the PS3 "is expected to soon offer a firmware upgrade to boost its Blu-ray interactivity functionality," but unfortunately, he failed to elaborate. One could hope that the update would bring along at least some of the niceties waiting in Profile 1.1, but until we get clarification (or are surprised by the actual release), we'll leave the speculating to you.


http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/ps3-firmware-update-coming-to-boost-blu-ray-functionality/

Hrm.. I'm thinking this "Big Bang" has turned into more of a pop-fizzle....

like you said all of these big announcements turn out nothing more than pop-fizzle or nothing at all.

Sony needs to work on their PR, IMO...:mad:

Sony needs to work on their PR, IMO...:mad:

How could they control what rumors others spread and what people imagine?

Sony needs to work on their PR, IMO...:mad:

Not really :confused: I don't believe Sony said anything.

It was all rumors spread by people on internet message boards :mad:

The well used 'big bang' phrase came from somewhere

This board is interesting. I visit a bunch for different boards relevant to my life,, including a lot of CE-related one -- DVR, DirecTV, etc. All of them have rumor discussions but on most of the others,a vast majority of people take all these rumors with a major grain of salt. Here, people post articles about rumors as if the publication converts them from rumor to fact and the more the rumor gets discussed, the more expectation that it must be true, even though that is an illogical conclusion...

I'm still taking all bets on people who want to take me on over whether the 80GB will drop $100 in price this month. I still say it won't, but even though everyone is treating it like a foregone conclusion, no one has been willing to personally stake on it...

The well used 'big bang' phrase came from somewhere

Sir Fred Hoyle, I believe?


But I never saw anything official from Sony... Sure they could have saying that the price drop will be a "big bang" internally... But you can't blame them for the game of tin-can telephone that gets played on the world wide inter-web.

do sony and G4tv have the same PR people? ;)

do sony and G4tv have the same PR people? ;)

They should have announced going HD rather than some bs about watching heroes in standard def.

The same poster posted "EARTH SHATTERING" news coming soon from Capcom..

The same poster posted "EARTH SHATTERING" news coming soon from Capcom..

Just passing on news. All are direct quotes from the original articles. Try actually reading them before opening your piehole. Post count ain't everything, champ.

Try actually reading them before opening your piehole. Post count ain't everything, champ.

How old are you?



Very interesting intellectual response by the way.. Considering *YOU* are the individual that decided to post news about an annoucement on Oct 12th that never materialized.

Dont be mad at me.. Be mad at the sources you have pattern of posting and quoting that are seemingly unreliable.

How old are you?



Very interesting intellectual response by the way.. Considering *YOU* are the individual that decided to post news about an annoucement on Oct 12th that never materialized.

Dont be mad at me.. Be mad at the sources you have pattern of posting and quoting that are seemingly unreliable.

I live next door to him he knows a cousins brother mother who works for capcom so his news is legit. In fact he announced that metal gear solid 4 was coming out for PS3 2 years before it was announced.

How old are you?



Very interesting intellectual response by the way.. Considering *YOU* are the individual that decided to post news about an annoucement on Oct 12th that never materialized.

Dont be mad at me.. Be mad at the sources you have pattern of posting and quoting that are seemingly unreliable.

You win some, you lose some. The $399 PS3 apparently was the big bang that turned into a pop-fizzle (to quote another poster). I try to make a concerted effort to post news by hitting various news sites and consolidate it here. Saves people time. Yea, some of it turns into BS, but that's the risk ya take. To snipe me for trying to inform, shows your age.

So which part of what I said to you made the name calling on your part neccessary? Or do you tell everybody you meet to shut their piehole?

You seem to have all the answers. Please continue.

You win some, you lose some. The $399 PS3 apparently was the big bang that turned into a pop-fizzle (to quote another poster). I try to make a concerted effort to post news by hitting various news sites and consolidate it here. Saves people time. Yea, some of it turns into BS, but that's the risk ya take. To snipe me for trying to inform, shows your age.

Just passing on news. All are direct quotes from the original articles. Try actually reading them before opening your piehole. Post count ain't everything, champ.

Funny that you say something about acting your age considering the previous post.

Relax. You don't have to post every single rumor you read on the internet.

Believe it or not, everything you read is not necessarily true!

It's also bad form (and leaves AVS liable to lawsuits) to cut and paste entire articles from other places.

So which part of what I said to you made the name calling on your part neccessary? Or do you tell everybody you meet to shut their piehole?

You seem to have all the answers. Please continue.

Wow, are we still mad? The piehole comment was rough. I apologize. I still reserve the right to call you champ, dammit. ;)

Again, I post what I think may seem interesting to people. I don't make crap up like "Big Bang" or "Earth Shattering". And I prefaced it by "rumor". Same with the Earth Shattering Capcom countdown. I prefaced that thread with "Let the speculating begin".

What were you trying to accomplish by stating "the poster also posted Earth Shattering"? Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it seemed like an attempt to discredit me. And you can't do that because I just cut and paste stuff from other sources!

Let me make it simple. I find an article. I post the link to the article (aka THE SOURCE) and then cut and paste the article. Sometimes I post my thoughts about it before the link. That's it.

I actually appreciate the threads by cysquatch, a lot of us are at work during the day with proxies that will not allow us to hit a lot of the site we'd normally look at. Cysquatch puts them up here along with the text from the article so that I can read it.

Good work Cysquatch keep it up.:)

I actually appreciate the threads by cysquatch, a lot of us are at work during the day with proxies that will not allow us to hit a lot of the site we'd normally look at. Cysquatch puts them up here along with the text from the article so that I can read it.

Good work Cysquatch keep it up.:)

agreed

Take one rumor, place it in a letter box, throw in a dozen meniacal AVS posters, shake well for two weeks and what do you get....

A poop fizzle...

You guys are killing me. :)

I actually appreciate the threads by cysquatch, a lot of us are at work during the day with proxies that will not allow us to hit a lot of the site we'd normally look at. Cysquatch puts them up here along with the text from the article so that I can read it.

Good work Cysquatch keep it up.:)
Ditto. Pay them no mind.

....(and leaves AVS liable to lawsuits) to cut and paste entire articles from other places.
Errrr.....no.

Ditto. Pay them no mind.


Errrr.....no.

AVS is hosted in the US. Cutting & pasting a copyrighted article from another site is copyright infringement. If the host of the site (e.g., AVS) knows about the infringement and doesn't do something about it, they are liable for contributory infringement if the owner of the copyright wanted to do something about it. It's a pretty well established part of case law.

AVS is hosted in the US. Cutting & pasting a copyrighted article from another site is copyright infringement. If the host of the site (e.g., AVS) knows about the infringement and doesn't do something about it, they are liable for contributory infringement if the owner of the copyright wanted to do something about it. It's a pretty well established part of case law.

Um, it's an internet message board. Welcome to it.

agreed

me too, keep it up dude, I always look forward to your info

AVS is hosted in the US. Cutting & pasting a copyrighted article from another site is copyright infringement. If the host of the site (e.g., AVS) knows about the infringement and doesn't do something about it, they are liable for contributory infringement if the owner of the copyright wanted to do something about it. It's a pretty well established part of case law.

AVS is quite strict with their policies, I suggest you let them interpret the laws for thems selves, it seems that they would not agree with you on your point BTW as they have allowed this to be the practice here for quite long.

I beleive that citing and quoting sources is very much so allowed and infact required to avoid said copyright infringment laws actually - its the reason why you have to do it in college papers BTW.

the laws are complex if you knew anything, and case law is only past decisions by courts, which does not mandate future decisions, it allows judges to beter make their own decisions. Lastly case law can go bad with newer decisions, so again maybe its you who needs some more knowledge on the subject.

Very interesting intellectual response by the way.. Considering *YOU* are the individual that decided to post news about an annoucement on Oct 12th that never materialized.

Dont be mad at me.. Be mad at the sources you have pattern of posting and quoting that are seemingly unreliable.


It said Rumor in the thread title the whole time. :rolleyes:

AVS is quite strict with their policies, I suggest you let them interpret the laws for thems selves, it seems that they would not agree with you on your point BTW as they have allowed this to be the practice here for quite long.

Depends on the moderator. Other sections of AVS are much more strict. This section used to be. I'm assuming it's not policed for this as much because of many other moderation issues that have to be dealt with in the gaming section these days.

I beleive that citing and quoting sources is very much so allowed and infact required to avoid said copyright infringment laws actually - its the reason why you have to do it in college papers BTW.

Pasting a snippet is allowed under fair use doctrine. Pasting the entire article is not. The ways in which a service provider would not be liable for contributory infringement are covered in section 512(c) of the DMCA.

the laws are complex if you knew anything, and case law is only past decisions by courts, which does not mandate future decisions, it allows judges to beter make their own decisions. Lastly case law can go bad with newer decisions, so again maybe its you who needs some more knowledge on the subject.

Wow. There's really no response possible for this.

On second thought that may be a bit harsh. In this case, what you are saying is not accurate. There is a statute that covers this (the DMCA) and plenty of recent caselaw that shows this part has been settled. You will not see a change in this unless the original statute is repealed or a new statute is enacted that changes it.

Done And Over With Its Offical: 40gb Sony Ps3 No Bc Only 399.99!!!!!

Done And Over With Its Offical: 40gb Sony Ps3 No Bc Only 399.99!!!!!

Who's reporting this for the U.S.?

Nothing completely confirmed as of yet.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/15/ps3-model-cechh01-lands-at-the-fcc/

Sweet... glad I didn't pay $599 a year ago :P

Sweet... glad I didn't pay $599 a year ago :P

I am. I've been enjoying it throroughly since launch. I've also got full hardware based backward compatibility.

On G4tv they mentioned around 2 Nov for the U.S. Release in the Feed on Friday.

I wasn't saying that to spite early adopters more to spite Sony, sorry instantpop. I didn't get a PS3 simply due to what I felt was an obnoxious entry price forcing Blu upon me especially with nothing exciting at launch IMO considering I had a 360 already for all the multiplatforms. But this unit is well overdue and I am very excited.

Why is hardware backward compatibility so important to everyone???? Especially in this Tech obsessed forum. I got a slim (read pretty new) PS2 that has done nothing but collect dust since getting a 360 at launch.

For the record...
Copyright violations are taken seriously here and when found, you will always get suspended/banned when knowingly doing it here.

Pasting a snippet is allowed under fair use doctrine. Pasting the entire article is not. The ways in which a service provider would not be liable for contributory infringement are covered in section 512(c) of the DMCA.This is consistent with what I've seen here on AVS. Kyser has specifically asked members not to cut and paste entire articles, and instead to quote relevant passages and link to the original article. In some cases, posts which quoted the full article were deleted.

Get back on topic guys...

Thanks,

Kyser

Further 'confirmation'.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163689

Who's reporting this for the U.S.?

BEST BUY has it in their que for oct 27th from what other posted of their best buy computers. Comes with blu ray spider man 3 movie....

I actually appreciate the threads by cysquatch, a lot of us are at work during the day with proxies that will not allow us to hit a lot of the site we'd normally look at. Cysquatch puts them up here along with the text from the article so that I can read it.

Good work Cysquatch keep it up.:)

Agreed. IMO the full article shouldn't be posted, just the highlight that states your idea or "rumor".

Couldn't they package it with a movie or anything that didn't blow chunks?

Couldn't they package it with a movie or anything that didn't blow chunks?


If you are infering that the movie responisble for the largest opening weekend in history, over $380million, DOES blow chunks, and suggest that they package it together with something else you've got to be crazy.

Couldn't they package it with a movie or anything that didn't blow chunks?

Spiderman 3 will be great demo material, even though some may not think it was a great movie.

This will be better demo material than Talledega Nights that was packaged with the first PS3's!

If you are infering that the movie responisble for the largest opening weekend in history, over $380million, DOES blow chunks, and suggest that they package it together with something else you've got to be crazy.

Off-topic, but first of all it never made $380 million opening weekend. It didn't even total 380 million in the USA, http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman3.htm

2nd, people went to the opening because 2 was good and 3 was heavily hyped. 3 was pretty disappointing, most critics rated it lower as well. Of course, that post was mostly just meant as a dig on the 3rd movie, but it is not unreasonable that the movie would be packaged with the system. So, don't take it personally and pull numbers from thin air. :D

Yeah I am Fleabay-ing my copy upon receipt... I like 1 & loved 2 but 3 was terrible. From Harry's "soap opera amnesia" to "EMO" Peter Parker and his dancing with the stars routine and worst of all the failure to deliver on the comics greatest villain. What a disappointment!

I liked Spidey 1 & 2 a lot. I liked the action scenes in Spidey 3 a lot. I did not like emo-Peter Parker and found Mary Jane to be a self-centered whining <bleep> this time around. Ah well, most series don't even have two good movies, let alone going for three. Maybe Spidey 4 will be back on track.

I hope so, I just think Raimi tried to cram too much in and chose the wrong scenes to elaborate on... Still looked awesome in Imax and the special effects were top notch. I think we all hope 4 turns it around.

If you are infering that the movie responisble for the largest opening weekend in history, over $380million, DOES blow chunks, and suggest that they package it together with something else you've got to be crazy.

Yes, because we all know that box-office gross always directly correlates to the quality of a movie. :rolleyes: Give me a break.

People went to see Spidey 3 for two reasons.

1. The first two were pretty good.

2. It had Venom in it.

People went to see Spidey 3 for two reasons.

1. The first two were pretty good.

2. It had Venom in it.

Just goes to show you not to pre-judge a sequel based on the previous installments.

The VFX were great and some parts were entertaining, but the film ultimately caved to its own lack of internal logic. The biggest "WTF?" was the butler scene (people who've seen it will know what I mean), which effectively turned the events following Norman's death in Spider-Man into a monumental "brain fart" on the part of an otherwise insignificant character.

It was as inane as Alfred telling Batman years after his parents' deaths that they weren't murdered by a mugger but instead were killed accidentally and he just forgot to tell him. HUH?!?