EDIT- Quoted from Blu Ray dot Com...

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Samsung Cancels BD-P2400

Posted October 1, 2007 by Josh

Samsung BD-P1200 Samsung Electronics has announced they have pulled plans to release the upcoming BD-P2400 Blu-ray player. No official reason was given, but it is expected that when Samsung realized they weren't going to make the October 31st deadline (after which all Blu-ray players must be Profile v1.1), they cancelled the release. Their upcoming BD-UP5000 dual format player has also been delayed until December.


EDIT- Maybe this should be in the player section but the suggested relevance to the profile issue makes it fit here at least that was my thinking.

Hey,

Too bad this wasn't a dual format player that was scrapped. But since we are all going to spin this news, here goes my theory.

This shows BDA is not moving on the profile resolution and plans maybe at a cost to finalize profiles ASAP.

-Brian

The delay of the BD-UP5000 dual format player is the part that burns my britches (whatever that means). Its the player I was going to buy to neutral. Now I will have to look at the LG, wait, or forget about it.

I believe this has been posted a few times, either way thats too bad, no other release date was given for the 2400? I was waiting for this model to be released!!

News broke under an hour ago and I didn't see it posted but if it has been posted before feel free to lock it up or delete it or whatever.

I'm still going to take a good look at the BD-UP5000, if it is fully featured I might pick it up. Therefore my PS3 will go on ebay and my A2 goes to the bedroom. ;)

It was posted a couple of days ago, but yes, it's still significant, as some may have missed it over the weekend.

I think this move by Samsung is significant because they clearly had invested a lot in this BD player. I think that they have decided that they would not recoup their investment if they spent more to manufacture and market it.

After all, they already have two BD players on the market, and sales of BD standalone players overall have been smaller than HD, but spread among more manufacturers.

The fact that they delayed the UP5000 by a month and are shipping it after the BD 1.1 deadline is also significant, to me. It shows me that they have realized that the BD 1.1 issue *HAS* become important to consumers, and that it *WILL* be relevant to buyers right now. They are clearly making certain that the UP5000 will be BD 1.1 compliant.

This is a very smart move by Samsung - they have identified that dual-format is what high-end consumers (over $500) will want in 2008, and have effectively got "the jump" on all the other BD manufacturers. It is very hard to imagine anyone spending the same amount on a BD-only player, when they can have a dual-format player instead.

In all likelihood, they dropped the 2400 because it's hardware would *not* have been able to support BD 1.1 at any time in the future. I think that this decision may also mean that Samsung will be focusing on Dual-Format players in the future, as being the most profitable choice, rather than focusing on BD-only players.

News broke under an hour ago and I didn't see it posted but if it has been posted before feel free to lock it up or delete it or whatever.

Was being reported everywhere else on Friday: -

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11758745#post11758745

Fair enough,.. I missed it, sorry, like I said - lock it, delete it, ignore it, spin it, as you wish.

:o

The fact that they delayed the UP5000 by a month and are shipping it after the BD 1.1 deadline is also significant, to me. It shows me that they have realized that the BD 1.1 issue *HAS* become important to consumers, and that it *WILL* be relevant to buyers right now. They are clearly making certain that the UP5000 will be BD 1.1 compliant.
i honestly don't think most consumers even know about the profile issues.

This is a very smart move by Samsung - they have identified that dual-format is what high-end consumers (over $500) will want in 2008, and have effectively got "the jump" on all the other BD manufacturers. It is very hard to imagine anyone spending the same amount on a BD-only player, when they can have a dual-format player instead.

do you know how much the dual format player is supposed to cost? any idea if it'd decode dts-ma as well or at least bitstream it? if the 5000 (i dont know if specs are released) ends up being a fully-functional and generally problem free dual format player, and at $600 or below, it's gonna be one hot item.

It was posted a couple of days ago, but yes, it's still significant, as some may have missed it over the weekend.

I think this move by Samsung is significant because they clearly had invested a lot in this BD player. I think that they have decided that they would not recoup their investment if they spent more to manufacture and market it.

After all, they already have two BD players on the market, and sales of BD standalone players overall have been smaller than HD, but spread among more manufacturers.

The fact that they delayed the UP5000 by a month and are shipping it after the BD 1.1 deadline is also significant, to me. It shows me that they have realized that the BD 1.1 issue *HAS* become important to consumers, and that it *WILL* be relevant to buyers right now. They are clearly making certain that the UP5000 will be BD 1.1 compliant.

This is a very smart move by Samsung - they have identified that dual-format is what high-end consumers (over $500) will want in 2008, and have effectively got "the jump" on all the other BD manufacturers. It is very hard to imagine anyone spending the same amount on a BD-only player, when they can have a dual-format player instead.

In all likelihood, they dropped the 2400 because it's hardware would *not* have been able to support BD 1.1 at any time in the future. I think that this decision may also mean that Samsung will be focusing on Dual-Format players in the future, as being the most profitable choice, rather than focusing on BD-only players.Good post. Sounds right to me. And if the price is right, dual format players may be the hot ticket next year.

Good post. Sounds right to me. And if the price is right, dual format players may be the hot ticket next year.Wanna bet?:):)

Wanna bet?:):)

you doubt that? what do you think will be the hot commodity for HDM come next year?

we have strong supporters of both blu-ray and hd dvd calling for affordable dual format players b/c let's face it, you're losing a ton of great movies if you have just one player unless that one player is dual format. the majority of consumers will not want to get 2 players, i'm talking those ppl that still have their VCRs flashing 12:00.

that said, i think bda needs to do something and gain some momentum heading into the holiday season. there just arent enough favorable news happening since the paramount hit other than fox actually releasing titles. problem there is they're damn expensive and a few ppl have already noted problems playing Day After Tomorrow.

It was posted a couple of days ago, but yes, it's still significant, as some may have missed it over the weekend.

I think this move by Samsung is significant because they clearly had invested a lot in this BD player. I think that they have decided that they would not recoup their investment if they spent more to manufacture and market it.


I don't agree. I think they realized that both players were slipping, and if they didn't stop working on one of them, they wouldn't get either to market in time.

Delays happens all the time, but this is a very special case where there's a very strict deadline with very specific consequences if they miss it. If they don't get their players to market withing the Oct. 31st deadline, they can't release the player at all. They would have to redesign it to make it 1.1-compliant first. Since they probably have 1.1-players in the pipeline already, it would probably be better to simply drop one of the players and redirect all effort to getting the other ready in time.

The fact that they delayed the UP5000 by a month and are shipping it after the BD 1.1 deadline is also significant, to me. It shows me that they have realized that the BD 1.1 issue *HAS* become important to consumers, and that it *WILL* be relevant to buyers right now. They are clearly making certain that the UP5000 will be BD 1.1 compliant.

Well, they have to make it 1.1-compliant now (I'll be surprised if it doesn't comply with 2.0 too, though). They've probably put the UP5000 on hold too, to make sure the P1400 makes it out the door in time. The fact that they haven't cancelled UP5000 could either mean that they don't have any other comboplayers in the pipeline, so it's OK to spend time and resources on redesigning this, or that it's a lot simpler to get this player 1.1-compliant.

In all likelihood, they dropped the 2400 because it's hardware would *not* have been able to support BD 1.1 at any time in the future.

Yes, I agree. And I think this is a very strong indication that the 1400 won't ever be capable of supporting 1.1 as well.

I think that this decision may also mean that Samsung will be focusing on Dual-Format players in the future, as being the most profitable choice, rather than focusing on BD-only players.

I'm not so sure about that, but they probably had to choose between cancelling the P2400, the UP5000 or both. They've chosen to cancel the player that faces the most direct competition on the market.

you doubt that? what do you think will be the hot commodity for HDM come next year?
Low-priced single-format players. I'd be surprised to see any dual-format player within spitting distance of the lowest priced single-format players in 2008.

I predict the 5000 will be delayed beyond December. Profile 1.1 is still not up an running and my understanding is that even if all the bugs were worked out today, there is at least a couple of months of QA testing before final test discs would be released to CE's for product development. So if CE's don't get test discs till December (or later, since all the bugs won't be worked out today), they won't be releasing Profile 1.1 players in December.

I predict the 5000 will be delayed beyond December. Profile 1.1 is still not up an running and my understanding is that even if all the bugs were worked out today, there is at least a couple of months of QA testing before final test discs would be released to CE's for product development. So if CE's don't get test discs till December (or later, since all the bugs won't be worked out today), they won't be releasing Profile 1.1 players in December.
Yeah, but they could release the player with appropriate 1.1 hardware, for a firmware upgrade later.

Yeah, but they could release the player with appropriate 1.1 hardware, for a firmware upgrade later.

They could do that now too though. I suspect that "appropriate 1.1 hardware" can't be entirely defined without a completed 1.1 profile.

They could do that now too though.
Yes and no. I suspect there are both technical and marketing reasons for dropping the BDP-2400. It's probably easier to focus on a single player than two, esp. if they want to include 1.1 hardware compatibility in a new player soon.

I suspect that "appropriate 1.1 hardware" can't be entirely defined without a completed 1.1 profile.
Perhaps, but for example I'm 99% sure the PS3 will support 1.1.

Nonetheless there is still a risk that a certain player with the appropriate hardware can't be updated to fully support 1.1, given unforeseen variables. Perhaps Samsung still intends on supporting 1.1 in their next player, but dropping one is Samsung's way of hedging its bets... just in case its early attempt doesn't work.

Yeah, but they could release the player with appropriate 1.1 hardware, for a firmware upgrade later.

I don't trust Samsung with regards to firmware releases. Their track record so far is abysmal. I imagine their firmware engineers couldn't find a cup of water if they were in a canoe in the middle of Lake Superior.

Yes and no. I suspect there are both technical and marketing reasons for dropping the BDP-2400. It's probably easier to focus on a single player than two, esp. if they want to include 1.1 hardware compatibility in a new player soon.


Perhaps, but for example I'm 99% sure the PS3 will support 1.1.

Perhaps they don't see future demand for stand alone blu-ray players, hence the cancel for the BD-P2400 and the delay for the BD-UP5000.

If the price is right, dual format players "Maybe" the hot ticket next year.

I don't agree. I think they realized that both players were slipping, and if they didn't stop working on one of them, they wouldn't get either to market in time.

Oh, wait... I see now that the P1400 is already available in the stores. That makes this theory pretty unlikely.

If the price is right, dual format players "Maybe" the hot ticket next year.
Well "maybe" is correct, but they'd have to be below $300 IMO.

i honestly don't think most consumers even know about the profile issues.

Well, what they don't know will hurt them. Maybe Samsung doesn't want to screw their customers by keeping a "dirty little secret" from them.

Wrong area already discussed