I was reading this little article today from Home Media magazine - http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=11277
... and the following bits caught my eye:

Same with Oliver Stone...

Stone noted that a feature-length documentary about his Alexander Revisited: The Final Cut, made by his son Sean, “is only on the [HD DVD and Blu-ray] because it doesn’t fit into the two-disc [DVD].” It would seem that studios are not having space problems on HD DVD. They are able to fit more on HD DVD than on 2 disc DVD sets already.

Very interesting - we have already reached the point where they have conciously identified that DVD can't hold as much content, even at SD resolutions.

They specifically chose not to release this new edition on regular DVD, because not even two DVDs would have been able to hold it. Seems to discredit arguments that HD DVD isn't able to hold enough content.

Isn't this just a statement on how little two DVDs can hold and not a ringing endorsement of HD DVD's space "being enough." After all, it's just a hair under 16 gigabytes -- or more than a single layer HD DVD (but less than a single layer blu-ray).

Saying that two DVDs can't properly contain everything is not the same as saying the space on HD DVD is perfect.

Also, the Lord of the Rings Extended version on DVD, makes me wonder about this statement at all!

I was reading this little article today from Home Media magazine - http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=11277
... and the following bits caught my eye:

It would seem that studios are not having space problems on HD DVD. They are able to fit more on HD DVD than on 2 disc DVD sets already.

Very interesting - we have already reached the point where they have conciously identified that DVD can't hold as much content, even at SD resolutions.

They specifically chose not to release this new edition on regular DVD, because not even two DVDs would have been able to hold it. Seems to discredit arguments that HD DVD isn't able to hold enough content.

Isn't this just a statement on how little two DVDs can hold and not a ringing endorsement of HD DVD's space "being enough." After all, it's just a hair under 16 gigabytes -- or more than a single layer HD DVD (but less than a single layer blu-ray).

Saying that two DVDs can't properly contain everything is not the same as saying the space on HD DVD is perfect.

Also, the Lord of the Rings Extended version on DVD, makes me wonder about this statement at all!

isn't the article talking about the documentary and not the film itself?

and to rdjam, this has nothing to do with space on the hi-def formats, unless you want SD material put on them. plus it's not the 30gb that is a hinderance for hd dvd, but the bandwidth. if a movie is too long to fit on a 30gb disc you can always put them on 2, but kinda SOL when you can't put everything on the disc you'd like b/c of bandwidth constraints.

isn't the article talking about the documentary and not the film itself?

and to rdjam, this has nothing to do with space on the hi-def formats, unless you want SD material put on them. plus it's not the 30gb that is a hinderance for hd dvd, but the bandwidth. if a movie is too long to fit on a 30gb disc you can always put them on 2, but kinda SOL when you can't put everything on the disc you'd like b/c of bandwidth constraints.Yes - the article was saying that the extra documentary could only be included with HD and BD releases, because even a 2 disc DVD set couldn't hold it.

So yes, it does indicate that both HD and BD are capable enough, particularly when DVD was what set the standards for what gets included.

These days, the most complete releases seem to be coming on HD.

But it still doesn't change the fact that Alexander could have fit on one Blu Ray and HAD to be put on two hd dvd's.

Don't bother bringing up it was the DI. I have a pause button on my Blu Ray player for intermission.

This thread is useless.

But it still doesn't change the fact that Alexander could have fit on one Blu Ray and HAD to be put on two hd dvd's.

Don't bother bringing up it was the DI. I have a pause button on my Blu Ray player for intermission.

This thread is useless.Actually - the content in Alexander the BD was on two discs so they didn't have to worry about 2 DL50s. So production "realities" may have been at the root there also.

Actually - the content in Alexander the BD was on two discs so they didn't have to worry about 2 DL50s. So production "realities" may have been at the root there also.
Right, because the production "realities" hurt the movie 300. Warner has the history of trying to keep the two releases as close to each other as possible, using 2 BD-25 discs under this reasoning is more plausible than BD50 production problems.

Still, your original conclusion based of this article is COMPLETELY FLAWED, in that Alexander Revisited does not fit onto a single HD DVD. And while I don't know the specifics on this release, a large number of extras are in SD, not HD, where you can stack many hours onto a 30gb disc.

I can guarantee you if this were released by a Blu-ray exclusive studio, there would have been one BD50 used to hold the entire 2 disc dvd release & more.

I was reading this little article today from Home Media magazine - http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=11277
... and the following bits caught my eye:

It would seem that studios are not having space problems on HD DVD. They are able to fit more on HD DVD than on 2 disc DVD sets already.

Very interesting - we have already reached the point where they have conciously identified that DVD can't hold as much content, even at SD resolutions.

They specifically chose not to release this new edition on regular DVD, because not even two DVDs would have been able to hold it. Seems to discredit arguments that HD DVD isn't able to hold enough content.



So the new argument: Since HD DVD holds more than DVD, it must be big enough....... wow, just wow.


But we don't have to worry anyway right rdjam, the TL51 will be announced with an exciting title within a few days, no? Can't wait till you let it out of the bag.


But why is TL51 coming anyway when 30g is enough.....?

BS. If you don't mind compromising quality, they can always compress the DVD more and include it.










.....Kinda' like HD DVD. ;):cool:

Actually - the content in Alexander the BD was on two discs so they didn't have to worry about 2 DL50s. So production "realities" may have been at the root there also.


Please provide that information. I asked you for it two weeks ago.

While you are at it, please provide the information on a "50GB Blu Ray is really only 45GB".

You never gave me that either.

Actually - the content in Alexander the BD was on two discs so they didn't have to worry about 2 DL50s. So production "realities" may have been at the root there also.
Have you also forgotten simple math in your quest to proclaim HD DVD as king?

25+25=50

Not that hard, even first graders will tell you that. :rolleyes:

The "logic" in the OP is rather interesting. Especially if it is really about a standard definition documentary fitting on the HD DVD version being proof of HD DVD not having space issues. Someday high definition extras should be much more common for an HD format. And that isn't even counting the "logic" that something not fitting on 2 DVDs somehow means that HD DVD doesn't have issues not being able to hold enough content. Of course it can hold things that 2 DVDs can't. It is next generation. It better be able to. One HD DVD has over 3 times the space and about 3 times the bandwidth of 1 DVD and over 1.5 times the space and about 3 times the bandwidth of 2 DVDs. Bragging about an HD DVD being able to hold a 480i (or p) documentary is a little bit like bragging that DVD can hold a 210i (or p) documentary.

As far as TL51s, rdjam, you claimed here:
Suffice to say, tho, I do know what the first 51 Gig title is likely to be :)So, do you still claim to know and is it coming in 2007, 2008, or 2009?

--Darin

Rdjam,

Can you please post that info on the 50GB Blu Ray discs really being 45GB??

I can't find that anywhere.

Rdjam,

Can you please post that info on the 50GB Blu Ray discs really being 45GB??

I can't find that anywhere.

I'm not sure what the magic number but neutral insiders have stated within the last month that 50g disc yields are still very low; with 40-50% yields

He did state that the more spaced used on the disc effected and lowered the yield percentages. And with a disc near full in storage space would bring in the lower number at around 40% yields.

TomsHT,

I know he stated that. The problem is he will not back it up.

I would like to see that info on the 50GB using only 45GB(whatever number).

I personally think he made it up. If he didn't he wouldn't dodge questions constantly.

TomsHT,

I know he stated that. The problem is he will not back it up.

I would like to see that info on the 50GB using only 45GB(whatever number).

I personally think he made it up. If he didn't he wouldn't dodge questions constantly.
Go look in the Insiders thread - you'll find it somewhere

Have you also forgotten simple math in your quest to proclaim HD DVD as king?

25+25=50

Not that hard, even first graders will tell you that. :rolleyes:Just another HD DVD release limited by BD.

Just another HD DVD release limited by BD.

Look, I can do it too......

But BD fits more than a DVD, that means it rules!

Rdjam,

Can you please post that info on the 50GB Blu Ray discs really being 45GB??

I can't find that anywhere.
You're not looking very hard. Scan the site.

Rdjam,

why don't you back up your claims for a change. I shouldn't have to find it.

...But why is TL51 coming anyway when 30g is enough.....?

I think one of the studios, maybe Paramount, pointed out that most movies do not need excessive space.

Re two discs not enough for DVD, so what. It should be obvious that not releasing in DVD is a way to push BR/HD-DVD. Anyone need an example of a 5 disc DVD set?

Just keep in mind, that out of a dollar, your 2 cents is worth <half a penny. "Your" being all you cutting edge enthusiasts that the studios and CEs will screw, again,... From the tone of the HDM fanboys, it sounds like y'all are already bending over.