NEC releases new units 42XC10, 50XC10, and 60XC10. (NEC PlasmaSync™ Residential Series) <<<Click Here>>> (http://www.necvisualsystems.com/Products/Series/?series=324dd1e5-ffec-40ad-a2e1-18b2cec9fe41)

Wonder why NEC didn't jump on the 1080p bandwagon?

Ya I noticed that too.

Could it be that they want to focus on PQ and that resolution is 3rd or 4th on the list of important specifications?

NEC makes high end panels do they not?

Only 1 HDMI connection and it's 1.2:confused:

Wow...heavy 50" panel @ 130lbs ...

In comparison, the Pio 5080 with speaker and stand weighs 89lbs.

I have an older model NEC 42" and love it. When it's time for a new TV I'll definitely look at NEC again.
I still don't understand the 480i, 480p, 525i, 525p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p stuff. I know mine is set to 1080 and I love the picture both though HD cable and my XA2. Digital cable picture is fine too but obviously not as sharp.
One question, someone was negative about the HDMI being an older version, since these TVs don't have speakers is that really an issue? Would having the newer version of the connection effect PQ?

Would having the newer version of the connection effect PQ?

Not now but some of us cannot afford to buy a new display every year when new features become available.

My point is: ONLY ONE HDMI input. This is a very poor idea. They offer ISF settings yet expect customers to use an outboard switch? You cannot calibrate a display like this if you use a switch with different sources. Makes no sense whatsoever.

There is 1 HDMI and 1 DVI-D, that's 2 digital inputs.
What's more interesting is the 1366 instead of 1365 horizontal pixel count. This must be a completely new glass since I don't think you can just tape on another row of pixels.

In the past, NEC produced a brochure that resembled a paint selection thing with a rivet in the corner and 24 2 1/2" x 7" high gloss stiff paper leaves.
It was titled "SO, you want an entertainment ROOM" "NEC home theater PLANNER".
In it they suggested these plasma viewing distances to help you decide what size NEC plasma to buy:
42" 8.2' max, 6.3' ideal, 4.4' min
50" 9.8' max, 7.5' ideal, 5.2' min
61" 11.9' max 9.2' ideal, 6.4' min
These distances are much closer than many forum members find acceptable. From personal experience I find the 50 and 61 distances are about right for me.

It would seem NEC is still standing by these numbers and finds little practical use for higher resolutions in these sizes.

Pricing seems to be quite a bit lower than last years models.

There is 1 HDMI and 1 DVI-D, that's 2 digital inputs.


no mention of 1080p/24.

Very poor decisions by NEC, IMO. They are just not thinking of the near future.

It seems like the XR series are still the better buy.

Looks like NEC has gone down the toilet!

Looks like NEC has gone down the toilet!

Not true. NEC still makes some of the best sets on the planet. They are engineering driven, not sales and marketing driven, so it's meaningless to compare specifications or draw conclusions about the source of their glass. Before discounting the new 42XC10/50XC10/60XC10 you need to actually see one and experience how natural the colors are and how much flexibility is provided in the calibration menues. These are broadcast quality monitors, not hyped up TVs that are designed to attract attention on retail floors. If you haven't seen one of these new monitors properly calibrated, you'd be ill-advised to make derogitory and speculative comments about NEC's position within the category.

They showed up on on the forum sponsors and are significantly cheaper than the last years model (the 42" version).

I'm curious if they perfrom as well...

Im buying a plasma now (~3+ month process...) and the scaling of the nec's really appeals to me, but, 1080 would definately seal the deal. Any idea on nec's plans for 2008 and 1080P?

Pete,

I hear you.:)

I have tried every place from the B&M stores to area custom installers but cannot find one of the 2008 models to look at. I would really like to see one before making a final decision one way or the other. Every time I think I have found either a new plasma or LCD to replace our old display some fatal flaw seems to appear (except the Kuros - which will probably be found to cause irreversible optic nerve degeneration 20 minutes after I buy one;))

NEC releases new units 42XC10, 50XC10, and 60XC10. (NEC PlasmaSync™ Residential Series) <<<Click Here>>> (http://www.necvisualsystems.com/Products/Series/?series=324dd1e5-ffec-40ad-a2e1-18b2cec9fe41)60" PDPs w/720p native resolution? I'll pass.

60" PDPs w/720p native resolution? I'll pass.

There's no reason to dismiss 720p out of hand unless you plan on sitting very close to the set. The same holds true for two-piece front projection where the screen sizes are considerably larger than 60". Keep in mind that it will be several years before there is much in the way of true 1080p software. Cable and Satellite are not broadcasting in 1080p. I'd much rather have a high-performance 720p PDP than a commodity-brand 1080p set. When the high-performance 1080p panels sell for what the 720p panels do now and there's lots of 1080p program material, mabe I'll consider it. Until then, I'll pass.

I've looked and looked but can find almost no information on the 60XC10. Does anyone own one of these?

The only review I could find was on youtube, and it didn't speak very highly of the plasma.

Youtube video review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G9YfigN-Eg

I found one other review but it was for the 50XR6, also didn't sound that great.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/review/2007/09/25/NEC-PlasmaSync-50XR6-50in-plasma/p1

Anyone know anywhere else of the net the 60XC10 is reviewed?

I've looked and looked but can find almost no information on the 60XC10. Does anyone own one of these?

The only review I could find was on youtube, and it didn't speak very highly of the plasma.

Youtube video review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G9YfigN-Eg

I found one other review but it was for the 50XR6, also didn't sound that great.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/review/2007/09/25/NEC-PlasmaSync-50XR6-50in-plasma/p1

Anyone know anywhere else of the net the 60XC10 is reviewed?

The 2nd review is certainly better than the first, especially relative to black level and motion artifacts. They rated video performance 9 out of 10.

I finally got around to hooking up the 50XC10 I had purchased but had stored while finishing our front projection theater. I can report that the performance is outstanding. Colors are natural, blacks are excellent, very smooth and artifact-free. Interestingly, there's a place in the menu where you can make adjustments to lessen the chance for burn-in. I set it at 75% and noticed no significant change in the picture. Both HD cable and PS3 sources looked tremendous. Sitting back, as we do, some 6 feet from the monitor, there is no noticeable pixelization. I previously owned an Olevia 747i which was a 1080p LCD, and as much as I admired its picture, this NEC looks much better...more contrast...more natural skin tones...smoother more integrated images. The monitor seems really well made -- great fit and finish, solid and professional looking. The 3-year warranty also influenced my purchase decision. I figure they must have confidence in the ingredients or they wouldn't stick their necks out. Anyway, I strongly recommend this monitor to anyone that may be considering it.

In the pre-Kuro era, NEC was at the top of their game. For the last couple of years, they offered their unique strength, an exceptional video processor with extensive adjustments aimed at PQ, combined with Pioneer single pane glass, IMO the best in the business. This year, however, they have gone away from the Pioneer glass back to double pane (LG I believe) and hence the increase in weight with probably a reduction in quality. While they retain what I believe to be the best processor adjustments and memory scheme, they are clearly falling behind in other important areas. It doesn’t look to me that they have moved their technology ahead and so on a relative basis have fallen behind as others continue to quickly evolve. No one can afford to stand still in this business but that is what they appear to have done. I know that a lot of their business is in the commercial arena but I don’t see them lasting long in the plasma business this way. I had hoped that they could obtain Pioneer Kuro glass and combine it with their other strengths but that obviously was not to be, probably Pioneer’s decision, and so while they may continue to be a good second choice in comparison to Panasonic and Samsung for PQ they will definitely not compete with Pioneer. It makes me sad.

Cheers,

Gary

P.S. I was not surprised that NEC last year did not offer a 1080p display because I figured they simply were taking their time to do it justice. By not having a 1080p display this year, I think they have lost the window. Sad again. Still I would like to find one of their displays to view.

Gary,
I recommend that you see these NEC panels before you speculate about their relative competitiveness. Where NEC sources the glass is of less importance than what they do with it, and as a long-time supplier to the broadcast industrial channel, they know how to build a natural-looking (not-hyped-for-conusmer-market) monitor with broad adjustabilty -- the kind ISF calibrators love -- and with a build quality that insures reliability and longevity.

i like the 42#,and it is better if it is TV/LCD

Gary,
I recommend that you see these NEC panels before you speculate about their relative competitiveness. Where NEC sources the glass is of less importance than what they do with it, and as a long-time supplier to the broadcast industrial channel, they know how to build a natural-looking (not-hyped-for-conusmer-market) monitor with broad adjustabilty -- the kind ISF calibrators love -- and with a build quality that insures reliability and longevity.

Awhile back, NEC produced the best computer monitors around. They have always manufactured quality products that stood out amongst the competition. You are right about their production methods and marketing, they tend to sell the steak instead of the sizzle.

Gary,
I recommend that you see these NEC panels before you speculate about their relative competitiveness. Where NEC sources the glass is of less importance than what they do with it, and as a long-time supplier to the broadcast industrial channel, they know how to build a natural-looking (not-hyped-for-conusmer-market) monitor with broad adjustabilty -- the kind ISF calibrators love -- and with a build quality that insures reliability and longevity.

This is a perfect example of how 1080p can be nothing more than a buzz word for fanboys to hang on to. In fact I would put 720p panels from NEC, Runco, or Bang up against similar 1080p every day consumer panels of the same size, and the 720's would win hands down in most cases. Someone in this thread talked about how they would they would pass on a 60" 720p panel, :rolleyes: and I have to laugh at what a foolish statement that is. I would trade the 1080p capability for the NEC scaler any day of the week.

Gary,
I recommend that you see these NEC panels before you speculate about their relative competitiveness. Where NEC sources the glass is of less importance than what they do with it, and as a long-time supplier to the broadcast industrial channel, they know how to build a natural-looking (not-hyped-for-conusmer-market) monitor with broad adjustabilty -- the kind ISF calibrators love -- and with a build quality that insures reliability and longevity.
Well stated Pete. I still have great respect for NEC and think I said that they are still a good choice in comparison to the likes of Panasonic and Samsung. I do suspect Pioneer, however, has eclipsed them.

I certainly agree that NEC designs features that are aimed at extracting the most PQ from their displays. I particularly appreciate their calibration adjustments and associated memory scheme. I wish others including Pioneer would follow suit in that area.

I still think it too bad they could not continue utilizing Pioneer glass. No matter how good the processing, you can not produce a picture beyond the glass subcomponent's ability to display.

At least their prices have come more in line with the competition. Before purchasing a display, I will certainly give them a look. In my room, I sit just close enough to benefit from 1080 but could also due with a 768 panel.

BTW, was it ever cleared up last year just what changes occured in the NEC processors when they reduced the bit depths from 12 to 10 bits. This being an obvious change in processors, nobody seemed to substantiate the reasoning, other differences, or even whether NEC may have begun outsourcing this critical component. NEC was very quiet on this as well.

Cheers,:)

Gary

"I still think it too bad they could not continue utilizing Pioneer glass. No matter how good the processing, you can not produce a picture beyond the glass subcomponent's ability to display."

Since there will soon be no more Pioneer glass, it will be interesting to see if your theory is correct. If Pioneer can make a silk purse from a sows ear (using Panasonic glass), then why can't NEC using LG glass? I think they already have.

Pete, or anyone for that matter, how does the new 50XC10 compare to the 50XR6? I've never been a fan of LG but I do know there is more than just the glass to the performance of a TV. I haven't been able to find any place within an hour and a half that has the new NECs on display. I was impressed by the 50XR6 I saw a few months ago.

"I still think it too bad they could not continue utilizing Pioneer glass. No matter how good the processing, you can not produce a picture beyond the glass subcomponent's ability to display."

Since there will soon be no more Pioneer glass, it will be interesting to see if your theory is correct. If Pioneer can make a silk purse from a sows ear (using Panasonic glass), then why can't NEC using LG glass? I think they already have.
Pete,

Just because Pioneer will stop in-house manufacturing of their glass panel subcomponent does not necessarily mean "there will soon be no more Pioneer glass". Pioneer glass technology built to Pioneer's design specifcation and incorporating their patents could be manufactured for Pioneer out of house by Panasonic in Panasonic's larger and more efficient fab facilities. This is yet to be seen but is entirely possible.

I hope and strongly suspect that Pioneer has sold/licensed some or all of their intelectual property to Panasonic in a mutually benefical agreement to allow both to compete more effectively both against LCD and Korea.

Cheers,:)

Gary

Gary,
I'm told that NEC and Pioneer were once co-owners of what is now the Pioneer PDP plant...that NEC sold its share to Pioneer a year or so ago. I suspect that both parties have a good understanding of the medium and how to manipulate it to best advantage.

wsfanatic,
I'm sorry I can't compare and contrast the older 50RX6 with the new P50XC10. I've only been exposed to the 50XC10 and as my comments above indicate, I'm very happy with its performance.

I am toying with the idea of going for the 60xc10 for an HT setup, ie no need for tuner as I will be using a cable box and audio will be channelled by stereo. I am looking at a 11 ft of viewing distance and therefore am not overly concerned about 768p vs 1080p ..
The other option is the TH58PH10UKA ..

1. any clue how they would compare
2. does this seems like an appropriate choice
3. can anyone provide a real review of the 60xc, 50xc or any xc xp for that mather..

Thks

Well what can I say, I got a great offer on my Samsung FP-T6374 and I had to get a new display. Looks like the NEC 50XC10 is the perfect replacement for the long gone Pioneer PDP-5080HD. This unit has excellent scaling abilities as always. SD content is the best I have seen. HD, well HD is awsome on anything is it not ;) Another excellent piece for the home theater enthusiast. Pics of my new NEC enclosed. ( I am pretty caertain the grey part of the bezel can be removed ;) )

Well what can I say, I got a great offer on my Samsung FP-T6374 and I had to get a new display. Looks like the NEC 50XC10 is the perfect replacement for the long gone Pioneer PDP-5080HD. This unit has excellent scaling abilities as always. SD content is the best I have seen. HD, well HD is awsome on anything is it not ;) Another excellent piece for the home theater enthusiast. Pics of my new NEC enclosed. ( I am pretty caertain the grey part of the bezel can be removed ;) )
Hi Chris , looks like you have some pretty nice gear. How would you compare the NEC 50XC10 with your previous 5080 or any other display you may have 1st hand experience (ie TH58PH10uk...)

Thks

The standard def on this unit is probably the best I have seen on any display, ehich is what most displays lack now a days. These is not question the NEC are worth the little bit of extra cash compared to the Panasonics. (Keep in mind we can only compare the NEC to the 720P models as the NEC is 720P.)

Ok .. well NEC 50xc10 and Panasonic TH50PH10uka are both 768P, listed as 720p capable monitors, how would they compare.

Thks

Seems like they are pricing themselves a little high considering the 720p status.

I would love to know what a company like NEC or PIO this year pays a subcontractor like pio or matsushita for the glass delivered so they can do their tinkering.

I would bet its about $400 for 50" glass for about 200k units.

Ok .. well NEC 50xc10 and Panasonic TH50PH10uka are both 768P, listed as 720p capable monitors, how would they compare.

Thks

I think he just answered your question. Unless I'm not understanding your question.. it's pretty vague.

768p & 720p tend to be used interchangeably on this forum, specifically, people tend to call all less than 1080p panels "720p", even though once you hit the 50" size in plasma, they are actually "768p" to be precise. So, his response is relevant either way, if that's what your after.

Here is some information I found for the 60XC10, not alot out there.

http://www.i4u.com/full-review-387.html

They gave it 8.5 out of 10.

Looks like NEC has gone down the toilet!

NEC gets their panels from Pioneer.

Anyone else notice the 50,000 hr half life? Thats half of what everybody else is offering.

NEC gets their panels from Pioneer.

NEC used to get their panels from Pioneer but not this year.
Rumors are NEC gets their panels from LG now.