Watching the Colorado vs Phillies game, problem with TBS-HD.

Audio is a split second faster than video. You can hear the ball being hit while it's still in the air to the plate. Oh well.

On the SD feed, the audio/video seems to be synced perfectly.

**EDIT** Sync issue seems to be fixed. It was fixed after the first 2 batters in the Top of the 1st.

Looks good here (TWC - Wells, ME - Samsung 32" LCD). Sound seems in-synch. Good PQ, but blimp shot apparently not HD.

Looks good. Only thing is the players/pitches look a little weird when against that ad they have behind home,

but otherwise, it's great, I'm enjoying TBS' coverage so far

The advertisement behind home plate appears stange. When a left handed batter is up, the contrast between the player's uniform and the advertisement doesn't appear real. It looks very much like 3D computer graphics. I've never noticed this in HD baseball on other channels. Via TWC.

D* (channel 247) - fantastic PQ. Audio slightly out of synch.
D* (channel 95) - obviously bit starved (see macro blocking on many things, not quite as sharp)
TWC (Raleigh, NC) - Not quite as sharp as D* channel 247. Audio seems ok. But, much better than D* channel 95...

I never thought I'd say it, but D* channel 247 actually looks better than cable...

I just noticed the green board shows up during replays where the advertisement is during live action.

Looks good. Only thing is the players/pitches look a little weird when against that ad they have behind home,


yea, that looks really strange... took me a bit to catch on what it was... definitely not realistic looking...

pq is more than adequate (other than the aforementioned advertising sign problem)... announcer/ball impact sound is good, but stadium/crowd noise is weak...

comcast south jersey...

It's the stupid green screen ads they use on the backstop in many nationally televised games.

I'm very impressed with the TBS coverage so far. Their pitch trax thing is dumb and doesn't work well but the coverage is very good.

With back to back HR's I would have liked to have heard the home fans pouring out of the rears. Those channels seem dead.

CCsoftball I'm on D* 247 and I agree it does look pretty sharp.

Those "in-game" breaks/updates are the worst idea ever. In the play-in game they took three breaks to show couple inning highlights at a time.

no virtual signage during replays is a conscious production decision

the blimp is being fed to the truck hd.

Those "in-game" breaks/updates are the worst idea ever. In the play-in game they took three breaks to show couple inning highlights at a time.

Would you rather commercials? I think they're a refreshing change from how baseball is commonly broadcast these days.

did you guys see the lead distance thing off first base last inning? That was weird...

that was a quirk the virtual people have been working on all during set up

Yup, that's a new one on me.

That lead indicator made me think I was watching Fox. That's not a good thing either. TBS is really doing a great job with these games so far.

we gonna get the little trailing tail on the ball now too? :rolleyes:

nix the "lead length" thingie...

pq is indeed VERY solid, and camerawork has been good as well...

I'm getting intermittent stuttering audio and occasional video cut outs on Channel 95 on D*. I had the same problem the other night.

bad blimp

i DO like the "hit dispersion" graphic though... that gives some decent insight as to why the defense is set up the way it is... that one can stay...

Not seeing the game on D* 95. Does the post season require any special subscription? I've had MLB EI for several years and the HD package (MPEG2), but just getting the "call x721...." message.:mad:

I'm really happy with PQ on TBS HD from D*.

Totally disgusted with the ad behind home plate. It creates a very distracting image of the pitcher and left handed hitters. Makes images looks superimposed. They need to do away with that. I know they won't though. It's all about money...

Not seeing the game on D* 95.

Neither am I. If they're simulcasting the MPEG2 on 95 then I can't imagine why I'd be locked out as I have the HD subscription and with the right equipment would presumably include TBS-HD.

I'm in the Boston area and for every NESN-HD game that was shown on the HD channels was unlocked for me to see even though I don't get NESN-HD (no mpeg4 equipment).

-Steve

I just called D* and now Channel 95 is on.

They did their simple pining of the box, but that didn't help.

They had to reset the programming (their words) into a different order on my account (no clue why that makes a difference).

But its working now and that's all that matter. :)

4-2

I'm glad Comcast in Chicago added it today, just in time for tonight's Cubs-Diamondbacks game. I didn't watch much of the game, but what I did see looked great. I didn't see the 'hit dispersion' graphic, but I actually liked the 'lead off first base' graphic.

Would you rather commercials? I think they're a refreshing change from how baseball is commonly broadcast these days.

If you are watching the game already it is just as bad as the commercials -imo
....and it's not like their weren't commercials otherwise as well.

I'm really happy with PQ on TBS HD from D*.

Totally disgusted with the ad behind home plate. It creates a very distracting image of the pitcher and left handed hitters. Makes images looks superimposed. They need to do away with that. I know they won't though. It's all about money...

Try having that as your home ballpark and watch 80+ games there. Although I've gotten used to it. there are other parks that are set-up similarly.(new parks)

TBS has to be doing 1080 or a "good 720", because these games are looking great. I can see the sweat glistening on the players' faces from bleacher cam. That's one of my indicators of 1080, glistening sweat LOL :).

what's interesting about the ad thingie is that it only seems to be an issue with certain ones...

the fact that it's there doesn't bother me (i think that every ballpark has it)... the fact that it was hosing up the picture bothered me...

TBS has to be doing 1080 or a "good 720", because these games are looking great. I can see the sweat glistening on the players' faces from bleacher cam. That's one of my indicators of 1080, glistening sweat LOL :).

1080, according to my set...

To those who have MPEG2 HD receivers and are locked out of Ch95 for the TBS-HD games, call DirecTV. I just spent 40 minutes on the phone with them trying to get it resolved and I finally did. Most of that time was spent with a girl who was very nice, but who just didn't understand what I was saying about the HD feed being simulcast on Ch95 and how I should be authorized to view it. They finally connected me to tech support and within a minute of being connected with them, I was watching in HD.

I'm just wondering... how many people here were also locked out? Was anyone pre-authorized to view Ch95?

-Steve

PS... a note to the mods... maybe you should rename this thread to be a more generic "MLB playoffs on TBS-HD" since that's what it seems to be now...

Didn't watch the Phillies/Rockies but the PQ of the Sox/Angels game (Comcast-Boston suburbs) is perhaps the best PQ I've ever seen on my Sony 34XBR960.Too bad the announcing crew is as bad as they are.

I'm just wondering... how many people here were also locked out? Was anyone pre-authorized to view Ch95?

I didn't do anything special -- I just tuned it in (on my HR10-250) and it was there.

Didn't watch the Phillies/Rockies but the PQ of the Sox/Angels game (Comcast-Boston suburbs) is perhaps the best PQ I've ever seen on my Sony 34XBR960.

Yeah, I am quite impressed with the video quality of the TBS games so far. I sure wish FOX Sports could pass a picture like this -- their RSNs do, but not the national network. Go figure.

I didn't do anything special -- I just tuned it in (on my HR10-250) and it was there.

Where do you live?

Northern California.

I'm getting the exact same effect from the board behind home in Boston.

i had no problems viewing tbs HD with my hr20-700, im in va beach, va and im a ce tester if that matters,

i get both 245 and 95 i think for tbs HD.

I'm getting the exact same effect from the board behind home in Boston.

nah, i didn't mean different boards, i meant different ads... on some ads, it doesn't seem to have the effect...

thinking back on it, i can't remember ever seeing that effect on csn on the games from citizens bank park... or on espn games...

wonder why? maybe something is going on where it gets mixed in?

beckett is just MOWING them down... :D

I watched 60+ games on Comcast in HD this season and it happened every game....but you are right it does depend on the ad. Though most give the effect.


On a side note, comcast has pretty good HD for the fightins home games, don't you think?

Didn't watch the Phillies/Rockies but the PQ of the Sox/Angels game (Comcast-Boston suburbs) is perhaps the best PQ I've ever seen on my Sony 34XBR960.Too bad the announcing crew is as bad as they are.

Agreed.
Right up there with the best HD baseball I have seen as well.50" 1080p Panny plasma.TWC-Orange County.PQ is a bit softer/noisier on D* Ch. 95.

Comcast and DirecTV should have commecials for MLB playoffs in HD on TBS.....NOT ON FIOS!

Philadelphia FIOS subscribers are pissed to say the least and fios still doesn't have any HD on demand. Fios has turned out to be a dud even after being out for as long as it has. Now that comcast got HGTV HD and Food HD there is really no reason to have fios over comcast as they seem to have the same HD chans

this was the last straw for me and I didn't want to just go back to Comcast though so I'm taking the plunge into DirecTV which supposedly has 60 hd chans now which should be more then both comcast and fios, so i wanted to get in now before the price goes up the end of Dec. when dtv gets 150 hd chans, which I am very excited about.

I watched 60+ games on Comcast in HD this season and it happened every game....but you are right it does depend on the ad. Though most give the effect.


On a side note, comcast has pretty good HD for the fightins home games, don't you think?

yup, they do... it's very good... especially when i mute wheeler and don't let him aggravate me... :D

y'know, maybe my brain just filtered it out... i don't ever remember noticing it... :confused:

now if tbs can do something about the sound... although it's MUCH better on this game than on this afternoon's game... anyone know if they are doing "real" surround or circle surround?

To those who have MPEG2 HD receivers and are locked out of Ch95 for the TBS-HD games, call DirecTV. I just spent 40 minutes on the phone with them trying to get it resolved and I finally did. Most of that time was spent with a girl who was very nice, but who just didn't understand what I was saying about the HD feed being simulcast on Ch95 and how I should be authorized to view it. They finally connected me to tech support and within a minute of being connected with them, I was watching in HD.

I'm just wondering... how many people here were also locked out? Was anyone pre-authorized to view Ch95?

-Steve

PS... a note to the mods... maybe you should rename this thread to be a more generic "MLB playoffs on TBS-HD" since that's what it seems to be now...

Same problem here, Steve. No HD on channel 95. Spent 45 minutes with a CSR and a supervisor to no avail. I'm calling back and asking to speak to tech support.

yup, they do... it's very good... especially when i mute wheeler and don't let him aggravate me... :D

y'know, maybe my brain just filtered it out... i don't ever remember noticing it... :confused:

now if tbs can do something about the sound... although it's MUCH better on this game than on this afternoon's game... anyone know if they are doing "real" surround or circle surround?


I couldn't possibly agree more with "Wheels" and with the afternoon games' sound, or lack thereof.

Beckett shutout!

Just got off the phone with DirectTv... Channel 95, which is carrying the TBSHD broadcasts of the NL playoffs is only available to those who previously purchased the MLB option, which is no longer available for purchase. So, according to them, unless you already have the MLB subscription already purchased you're out of luck. It doesn't matter if you have the HD subscription as Channel 95 is apparently defined as part of the MLB package somehow.

Uhhhhhhh.

As usual Comcast of Seattle doesn't give us a god damn thing. So, no TBS-HD for us.

Just got off the phone with DirectTv... Channel 95, which is carrying the TBSHD broadcasts of the NL playoffs is only available to those who previously purchased the MLB option, which is no longer available for purchase. So, according to them, unless you already have the MLB subscription already purchased you're out of luck. It doesn't matter if you have the HD subscription as Channel 95 is apparently defined as part of the MLB package somehow.

That is simply false (what DirecTV told you). Try getting back on the phone to them and explain that if the standard definition channel (247) is enabled, the high-definition feed should be as well. You have the HD package, right? TBS-HD is part of that package. Even if you don't have the equipment to play the MPEG4 feed, you DO have the equipment to show the MPEG2 feed (on 95) and there's no reason you should be locked out. I don't have the NESN HD feed because I don't have MPEG4, but all season when a NESN HD Sox game was shown on one of the MLB Extra Innings channels, it was unlocked for me.

It's amazing to me that they can't get their story straight on this. Try again and tell them that others here have been getting it turned on and that you should too.

-Steve

Just got off the phone with DirectTv... Channel 95, which is carrying the TBSHD broadcasts of the NL playoffs is only available to those who previously purchased the MLB option, which is no longer available for purchase. So, according to them, unless you already have the MLB subscription already purchased you're out of luck. It doesn't matter if you have the HD subscription as Channel 95 is apparently defined as part of the MLB package somehow.

I'm with Steve O. I've NEVER purchased anything for the MLB and I've had 95 all day; without calling D* or anything. Doesn't matter much to me b/c I'm watching on 247 anyhow but what they told you is not true.

Are you folks looking to get 95 b/c you have MPEG2 only boxes or am I missing out on something?

I'm with Steve O. I've NEVER purchased anything for the MLB and I've had 95 all day; without calling D* or anything. Doesn't matter much to me b/c I'm watching on 247 anyhow but what they told you is not true.

Are you folks looking to get 95 b/c you have MPEG2 only boxes or am I missing out on something?

We have the HR 10-250 and subbed to MLB EI and always had HD games on 94 and 95. They fed me a line that the SD broadcast dominates if the game is "sold out". Whatever that means. I also lost my entire channel line up of HD channels that we sub to. Called back and had them turned on. Not sure if I'll get the 10 p.m. game or not on 95. Is 95 carrying the stdio broadcast in between games?

Beckett shutout!
Wow! Beckett is locked in!

They fed me a line that the SD broadcast dominates if the game is "sold out". Whatever that means.

That has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

What was funny about the 40 minute call I was on was that I would say something and then the girl would go off and talk to someone or try to look up additional information. Then she'd come back and try to explain that I should be look at Ch 247 and I had to explain that my HR10-250 doesn't work like that (mapping of HD channels into non-HD channel numbers). I don't think she had a clue what the difference between MPEG4 and MPEG2 is. After a LONG break on hold while she was off trying to get more info, she -finally- came back and said "I've determined that everything you've told me is correct and I need to transfer you to tech support to resolve the issue."

The bottom line is this... if 95 (or whatever they're broadcasting the TBS-HD feed on) is blocked because you "aren't authorized", then you shouldn't be authorized to see the non-HD channel either and we all know that's not the case.

-Steve

The other two games looked better for me (Comcast), this game looks a little softer, also, like not all the cameras are HD


Go DBacks! Fitting ad behind home, 1408, that 4 turns into a 9 pretty easily



Caught beginning of the Boston game, now that was amazing HD

That is simply false (what DirecTV told you). Try getting back on the phone...You have the HD package, right?...
-Steve

Yes, I've got the HD package. I'm pretty sure I have picked up a couple of Cub games on 95 earlier this when CSN (e.g. COMCAST) had rights to the game. But it wasn't predictable... some times it would be there and sometimes not.

The thing I thought was really comical was that they wouldn't sell me the package they said I needed to get 95...

I have a 5 LNB and new boxes on order, so it's a short term problem in the big picture. I could go on a bit about how much time I've spent the last couple of days with DirecTV trying to get all that ordered at a reasonable price (I'm a 4 heart customer), and I still can't get an installation date... if I didn't dislike Comcast so much, I'd have cancelled my sat service a couple of days ago. :-)

I'm with Steve O. I've NEVER purchased anything for the MLB and I've had 95 all day; without calling D* or anything.

Add me to that list. I've never bought a sports package of any kind and I'm getting 95. I have one of the old Total Choice packages, plus the HD package. That's it.

Anyone in Chicago with Comcast have an HD channel for tonight's Cubs game?

Late game looks great as well here,TWC.

Caught beginning of the Boston game, now that was amazing HD

I guess I'm just used to seeing the fabulous quality of NESN-HD (on those occasions that they are on the MLB Extra Innings HD channels during the year). I thought the TBS-HD quality was good, but not amazing. NESN-HD does a great job with HD and to my eyes it has been consistently better than what I saw from TBS-HD tonight.

-Steve

That lead indicator made me think I was watching Fox. That's not a good thing either. TBS is really doing a great job with these games so far.

Get rid of the lead indicator. It's stupid. I don't really need to know if the guy is 9 feet or whatever off base.

Anyone in Chicago with Comcast have an HD channel for tonight's Cubs game?

Found it, ch. 219

To those who have MPEG2 HD receivers and are locked out of Ch95 for the TBS-HD games, call DirecTV. I just spent 40 minutes on the phone with them trying to get it resolved and I finally did. Most of that time was spent with a girl who was very nice, but who just didn't understand what I was saying about the HD feed being simulcast on Ch95 and how I should be authorized to view it. They finally connected me to tech support and within a minute of being connected with them, I was watching in HD.

I'm just wondering... how many people here were also locked out? Was anyone pre-authorized to view Ch95?

-Steve

PS... a note to the mods... maybe you should rename this thread to be a more generic "MLB playoffs on TBS-HD" since that's what it seems to be now...


No problem here. Watching channel 95 on D* with an HTL-HD and triple LNB dish. I've got an "old" Total Choice Package with the HD tier. Don't have MLBEI or anything special. I'm in Cleveland, OH.

Watching on D* 95 and see occasional momentary blacking out and some macroblocking. But after 4 yrs. of HD Lite, all in all I'm in shock over the HD PQ of the Cubs game. Why aren't all MPEG2 HD channels on D* this good????

Anyone experiencing some major issues in the last five minutes? If not then I know it's my provider.

Anyone experiencing some major issues in the last five minutes? If not then I know it's my provider.

I've noticed the audio cutting out for a second or two every 10 minutes or so. Also, just now the game cut to black, no video or audio for about 3 or 4 seconds. Luckily, wasn't during a play or anything. That's about it for me here in Green Bay on TWC NE Wisconsin.

My audio is fine but the video is going nuts, even on commercials.

No audio drop outs but some video problems...getting grey video at times

Hey TBS, let's just dispense with the pleasantries and replace that "9" with a big ol' Bud Light logo on the lead off graphic. Or maybe Kyra Sedgwick could virtually walk out there and give us a promo for The Closer. :D

mark me down as liking the leadoff indicator. i dont like how big and bulky it looks on the field, but i like the idea of it. perhaps a smaller, ruler type leadoff graphic would be better.

the audio was terrible, the rear channels during the bosox game seemed to just be mono and it was a terrible mix. way too much noise coming from the rears. it wasnt a nice blend of the entire stadium either, just seemed like 1 or 2 mics mixed together.

the dolby pro logic audio on the tbs SD seemed like a nicer mix than the DD audio on tbs HD.

Thought the picture quality on TBSHD was excellent yesterday. Very comparable to NESNHD. But why is every non-HD image (virtually everything but the live coverage) stretched? All other HD channels now use 4:3 w/sidebars for SD images. The stretched 4:3 gives me a headache. Good thing after the ALDS is over, I don't have to watch anything else on TBS. And why wasn't Don Orsillo doing the Sox-Angels game? Would have been a major improvement over what we had.

TBS will try to minimize ads during its exclusive MLB playoffs coverage that starts today, as Turner Sports president David Levy tells the Wall Street Journal. "We don't want to take away from the programming itself," he says. "But there will be pop-ups and other things to promote our programming. One of the things that attracted us is this is going to be high-rated programming, and it's a great way to promote [our] other programming."

http://www.cable360.net/360AM/25946.html

Thought the picture quality on TBSHD was excellent yesterday. Very comparable to NESNHD. But why is every non-HD image (virtually everything but the live coverage) stretched? All other HD channels now use 4:3 w/sidebars for SD images. The stretched 4:3 gives me a headache. Good thing after the ALDS is over, I don't have to watch anything else on TBS. And why wasn't Don Orsillo doing the Sox-Angels game? Would have been a major improvement over what we had.

1) 'Turner-stretched-SD"

2) Like a very simple policy to have a team's regular avoid broadcasting his own team (if avoidable)... wouldn't be fair to the opposing teams' fans.

At least Cablevision here in northern NJ added the HD version yesterday. Would have been very annoying to be stuck in SD after having 159 games in HD (2 in SD due to recent fire and 1 earlier in the season for some unknown reason).

settling in for sillies/rockies...

basically the same as yesterday... solid pq, LOUSY sound...

edit: hope the umpires rubbed up a lot of baseballs today. it's warm and humid here. they are going to be flying out of the park.

Red Sox game on channel 245 on D* was one of the BEST looking HD sporting events I have ever seen. I was very impressed.

Anyone else noticing grain/noise on the Yankees/Indians game?

I live in Ma and have charter and they don't carry tbs in hd not to happy about that.. Is the WS going to be on fox or tbs.

Is the WS going to be on fox or tbs.

All World Series (and ALCS games) on FOX. Everything else on TBS.

Watching the Tribe and Yankees via the HR-20 and I gotta say, I love TBS-HD.

These broadcasts remind me of when I could watch CBS' SEC games OTA.......

Stunning, in your face, in your living room PQ. No swimming grass, no motion blur or macroblocking, just crisp, clear hi res video..........

Agreed! It's now making me mad that EVERYTHING doesn't look this good. Outside of the lower-third graphics, which are clearly SD, it's hard to find fault with this.

Anyone else noticing grain/noise on the Yankees/Indians game?

a bit, but not very much... color isn't as good as the other series have been...

could be the lighting... someone who's opinion is trustable made a comment on the football thread that the lighting in different stadiums has an effect on picture quality...

edit: however, the announcers are HORRIBLE on this game.... WHY would the yankees even think about bunting in the 5th inning with their lineup??? and they are hammering away about how they should have bunted... fwiw, i'm as big a yankee-hater as there is (red sox fan since birth), but bunting in that situation would have been foolish... oy...

Outstanding PQ on TBSHD through Buckeye cablesystem. Miles and miles ahead of the artifact, soft ESPNHD football of the other night. This is sharp and clear The grass looks like grass, not pulsating with compression artifacts like ESPNHD. On my 92" screen this is a delight to watch.

Watching the Tribe and Yankees via the HR-20 and I gotta say, I love TBS-HD.

These broadcasts remind me of when I could watch CBS' SEC games OTA.......

Stunning, in your face, in your living room PQ. No swimming grass, no motion blur or macroblocking, just crisp, clear hi res video..........

Absolutely agree. This is great PQ. Reminds me of the MLB INHD 1080I stuff from last year.

TBS has really impressed me AND has really shown me how GOOD HD sports can be these days.

Amazing

Much better then I thought and many others thought

I am getting the game through Sportsnet HD. I don't if the problem is with Sportsnet or the source, TBS, but the volume has been relatively low on all game, particularly with the center channel.

In the Indians/Yankees they started with DD5.1, switched to prologic, briefly back to DD5.1 and then back to prologic. With DD5.1 the sound is much better balance, with significantly louder center channel. After the latest commercial break the centre channel was much better on prologic, but the volume has now fallen off again. I don't know what is going on, but I wish they would fix it!!!

However, the PQ has been great!

I don't get TBS HD, but I do get TNT HD.

Thanks to overrun, today, this very moment, is the first time I've ever seen Baseball in 1080i.

it looks... awesome

What little I've seen on TNT (thanks asshats at Comcast) the images are textbook stunning. Has anyone been running a meter on bitrates? It sure looks like TBS had opened the firehose with bandwidth from the trucks, backhauls and every nook and cranny in the system because my gosh it just shines... only funkyness is the wireless field cam and given what's involved with those critters I won't bust thier chops on that.

Why is this looking so darn good?????

I am getting the game through Sportsnet HD. I don't if the problem is with Sportsnet or the source, TBS, but the volume has been relatively low on all game, particularly with the center channel.

In the Indians/Yankees they started with DD5.1, switched to prologic, briefly back to DD5.1 and then back to prologic. With DD5.1 the sound is much better balance, with significantly louder center channel. After the latest commercial break the centre channel was much better on prologic, but the volume has now fallen off again. I don't know what is going on, but I wish they would fix it!!!

However, the PQ has been great!

Don't worry, TBS is only broadcasting in Dolby 2.0. You ain't missing anything. I get Sportsnet and TBS HD and you are right, the center is louder on TBS.

yea i was just going to mention the overflow and game being available on tnt HD but im 2 minutes 2 late as tnt went back to regular programing.

Jacobs field is tough to get a good picture because of the mesh behind the plate. I remember when YES HD did broadcasts there the mesh looked horrible. TBS did a fairly good job with minimizing the effects of the mesh on the picture. The game looked very good over TWC NYC.

Jacobs field is tough to get a good picture because of the mesh behind the plate. I remember when YES HD did broadcasts there the mesh looked horrible. TBS did a fairly good job with minimizing the effects of the mesh on the picture. The game looked very good over TWC NYC.


Baloney. STO (SportsTime Ohio) does an excellent production in 1080i, the best I've ever seen, and I'm very f'in picky in my HD PQ. They have a robotic HD camera behind home plate and AFAIK no mesh in front of it.

Baloney. STO (SportsTime Ohio) does an excellent production in 1080i, the best I've ever seen, and I'm very f'in picky in my HD PQ. They have a robotic HD camera behind home plate and AFAIK no mesh in front of it.

I'm speaking to shots from the center field cameras. But I would assume STO being the Indians owned network would be able to work around it. I was merely commenting that TBS did a better job compared to the games I saw on YES HD this year from Jacobs Field.

I wanted to add to the positive comments about the PQ of the Cubs-DBacks game tonight and thank TNT/TBS for providing some high-quality HD sports programming. I was watching the end of the Cle-NY game and heard they were starting the Cubs-DBacks on TNT because of the ALDS overrun. My provider is Verizon FiOS and they don't have TBS-HD. I switched over to TNT-HD and I was simply blown away. I've got to reiterate Kib's comment: Why is this looking so darn good? I'm now praying that the Cubs can somehow win game 3 to force a game 4 since that will be shown on TNT-HD. I feel like we have been duped all this time with the bush league 720p that ESPN, ABC and Fox provide. I am seriously contemplating only watching 1080i programming from now on out. I decided to give NBC another chance and quit focusing on the grass and started watching other elements of the broadcast. I did this with Sunday Night Football last week (Phi-NYG) and was surprised how pleased with the telecast I was. I'm watching on a 72-inch DLP from a distance of about 15 feet with 20/20 corrected vision. I saw some MLB in 1080i in 2002 when HDNet had a contract with MLB to show a few games. Unfortunately my display at the time was only a 38-inch RCA tube.

I'm also wondering how come the PQ on this game is so outstanding compared to their NBA games. Have they upgraded their equipment? If so, I am really going to enjoy watching their NBA telecasts this year. I was also impressed that their graphics were in HD. Heck, even Ernie Johnson looked good.

I wanted to add to the positive comments about the PQ of the Cubs-DBacks game tonight and thank TNT/TBS for providing some high-quality HD sports programming. I was watching the end of the Cle-NY game and heard they were starting the Cubs-DBacks on TNT because of the ALDS overrun. My provider is Verizon FiOS and they don't have TBS-HD. I switched over to TNT-HD and I was simply blown away. I've got to reiterate Kib's comment: Why is this looking so darn good? I'm now praying that the Cubs can somehow win game 3 to force a game 4 since that will be shown on TNT-HD. I feel like we have been duped all this time with the bush league 720p that ESPN, ABC and Fox provide. I am seriously contemplating only watching 1080i programming from now on out. I decided to give NBC another chance and quit focusing on the grass and started watching other elements of the broadcast. I did this with Sunday Night Football last week (Phi-NYG) and was surprised how pleased with the telecast I was. I'm watching on a 72-inch DLP from a distance of about 15 feet with 20/20 corrected vision. I saw some MLB in 1080i in 2002 when HDNet had a contract with MLB to show a few games. Unfortunately my display at the time was only a 38-inch RCA tube.

I'm also wondering how come the PQ on this game is so outstanding compared to their NBA games. Have they upgraded their equipment? If so, I am really going to enjoy watching their NBA telecasts this year. I was also impressed that their graphics were in HD. Heck, even Ernie Johnson looked good.


Yes, you have been duped by the 720p providers. Here in Cleveland for the Indians home games, we get STO (and NBC's WKYC) in 1080i and it's absolutely perfect. I watch on a 1080p 50" Panny commercial plasma and have 20/10 vision from an 8-10 foot viewing distance. It simply doesn't get any better in HD PQ than the Indians on STO-HD.

Edit: I too would like an answer on why NBA games in 1080i from TNT and CBS have terrible problems. The cameras are closer to the action, but I suppose there is more motion in the frame than other sports.

I had to call DirecTV to get them to unblock access to TBS-HD. I have the HD package with old (MPEG2) equipment. The rep said my package had "expired" and had to be reset to allow me to view the channel. He did so, and I now have the feed on Ch. 95 on most of my boxes and Ch. 94 on an H10 box.

Yes, you have been duped by the 720p providers. Here in Cleveland for the Indians home games, we get STO (and NBC's WKYC) in 1080i and it's absolutely perfect. I watch on a 1080p 50" Panny commercial plasma and have 20/10 vision from an 8-10 foot viewing distance. It simply doesn't get any better in HD PQ than the Indians on STO-HD.



Agree on the 720p dupe. I also get STO and it is mind blowing sharp. Sports in 720P is nasty compared to an excellent 1080i presentation

SOX-Angels looked great. Yanks game looked good too.

I'm using MPEG 2 equipment(D*) and I could not see the TBS HD baseball games on Ch 94/95. However, I was able to see the Yankee game last night on channel 731(MLB HD). Should I call D* to get access to TBS HD on 94/95. Better yet, am I supposed to get TBS HD on Ch 94/5?

NYC's TWC just added TBS-HD. Haven't watched a lot of the playoffs, but the 1080i PQ here isn't that impressive. Moderately soft compared to HDNet, CBS, and a few other sources. No problems with image breakups, but all the cameras just aren't providing the crisp images possible. ('Crisp' no doubt varies with location and other factors. My STB and/or cable head-end processing, for example, apparently limits my maximum effective resolution to ~1290 lines (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424) (HDNet test patterns), while my 9"-gun RPTV likely could resolve more, and some 1080p 'full-rez' displays provide the maximum possible for 1080i (1920X1080 from most test patterns and perhaps 1450X800, static images, from sampled HD-video programming). -- John

I wanted to add to the positive comments about the PQ of the Cubs-DBacks game tonight and thank TNT/TBS for providing some high-quality HD sports programming. I was watching the end of the Cle-NY game and heard they were starting the Cubs-DBacks on TNT because of the ALDS overrun. My provider is Verizon FiOS and they don't have TBS-HD. I switched over to TNT-HD and I was simply blown away. I've got to reiterate Kib's comment: Why is this looking so darn good?

Was the Yankee-Cleveland game on TNT-HD??? If so I can't believe I watched TBS instead, I had no idea. Of course it wouldn't have changed the outcome. :(

Agree on the 720p dupe. I also get STO and it is mind blowing sharp. Sports in 720P is nasty compared to an excellent 1080i presentation

I have to believe there's more going on here than the 720/1080 thing. Fewer bounces off the bird? Less processing? Monster bandwidth right to the CableCo headend? What?

Looking for the "Science" in the AVS forum...

Was the Yankee-Cleveland game on TNT-HD??? If so I can't believe I watched TBS instead, I had no idea. Of course it wouldn't have changed the outcome. :(

Ken - don't feel bad, they just bumped it over to TNT for an inning because the prior game was running long

I have to believe there's more going on here than the 720/1080 thing. Fewer bounces off the bird? Less processing? Monster bandwidth right to the CableCo headend? What?

Looking for the "Science" in the AVS forum...

yea, me too... because i get some VERY good 720p telecasts as well...

i'm "guessing" bandwidth... but that's just a guess, i really have no clue...

but i ain't complaining... :)

it's the same basic trucks between all the sports now - turner, yes, cbs, espn, abc - so the ultimate science is the transmission path'

case in point on a typical YES/FOX weekend YES has the Friday in 1080i (all sources native), the truck switches to 720p (all sources native except for archival tape) for FOX and back to 1080i for YES Sunday.
You can go back and read the disparaging reports between the two, and ask what is the difference in transmission, because that is totally up to the network, not the origination source

one better - the same truck did the last Baltimore game for YES and the COL/ PHL game, both in 1080i, again the network is responsible for transmission, not the originating truck.

it's the same basic trucks between all the sports now - turner, yes, cbs, espn, abc - so the ultimate science is the transmission path'

case in point on a typical YES/FOX weekend YES has the Friday in 1080i (all sources native), the truck switches to 720p (all sources native except for archival tape) for FOX and back to 1080i for YES Sunday.
You can go back and read the disparaging reports between the two, and ask what is the difference in transmission, because that is totally up to the network, not the origination source

one better - the same truck did the last Baltimore game for YES and the COL/ PHL game, both in 1080i, again the network is responsible for transmission, not the originating truck.

Cool info. Just curious, how the heck do you know this?

http://www.buckeyecablesystem.com/lineup/tbs.jpg

http://www.buckeyecablesystem.com/lineup/lineup-tol.html

it's the same basic trucks between all the sports now - turner, yes, cbs, espn, abc - so the ultimate science is the transmission path'

case in point on a typical YES/FOX weekend YES has the Friday in 1080i (all sources native), the truck switches to 720p (all sources native except for archival tape) for FOX and back to 1080i for YES Sunday.
You can go back and read the disparaging reports between the two, and ask what is the difference in transmission, because that is totally up to the network, not the origination source

one better - the same truck did the last Baltimore game for YES and the COL/ PHL game, both in 1080i, again the network is responsible for transmission, not the originating truck.

Sounds like science to me !!!

Kudo's to the TX and infrastructure folks at Tuner/TW/whoevertheheck they're owned by these days...

One of the best TV baseball games I've ever seen, both for PQ and the final score.

Picture and sound quality were fantastic.

However,

The Announcers on TBS are the absolute worst I've ever heard, seems like some of them don't know the first thing about baseball, and the production team sucks as well. I've never seen a playoffs telecast where game-changing plays are missed because TBS is forcing that stupid Frank TV show commercial every 30 seconds and coming back to the game too slowly. Morons. They should have given this to ESPN or NBC.

Picture and sound quality were fantastic.

However,

The Announcers on TBS are the absolute worst I've ever heard, seems like some of them don't know the first thing about baseball, and the production team sucks as well. I've never seen a playoffs telecast where game-changing plays are missed because TBS is forcing that stupid Frank TV show commercial every 30 seconds and coming back to the game too slowly. Morons. They should have given this to ESPN or NBC.

Every network gets sports packages to promote their regular programming....

cmon.... have you ever watched a sporting event?
Fox has been the worst.... "HIS FATHER IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY!!!"

I will never watch Frank TV I don't even know the guy but I hate him already. As a matter of fact I probably won't watch TBS till next years playoffs

Cool info. Just curious, how the heck do you know this?

From his forum handle I would say he's a video engineer. Probably working those shows or one of them.

And he's absolutely correct. I don't know how many times I've seen on the forum folks complain about certain cameras or "whatever truck they are using" and then the same truck goes to another client show and everything is roses. As I have said many times. 99% the time what is coming out the side of the truck is beautiful, after it leaves their...well who knows what the rest of the path is doing to the signal before you crack open a cold one.

I will never watch Frank TV I don't even know the guy but I hate him already. As a matter of fact I probably won't watch TBS till next years playoffs

TBS will have a weekly (non-exclusive) national Sunday afternoon game next season.....

TBS will have a weekly (non-exclusive) national Sunday afternoon game next season.....

I doubt that I will watch them but one never nows.

I am seriously contemplating only watching 1080i programming from now on out.

So if the show you want to watch is only in 720p, you won't watch it? I find this very hard to believe. That means picture quality is more important than content to you? I didn't see any smiley faces after the comment.

If there was a sporting event I'd really want to watch, it wouldn't matter if its 720p or 1080i. I'd watch it in 480i also if I didn't have an HD option.

TBS HD is live on E* on Ch. 542.

Every network gets sports packages to promote their regular programming....

cmon.... have you ever watched a sporting event?
Fox has been the worst.... "HIS FATHER IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY!!!"

I don't mind commercials. It's when the inept production crew allows the commercials to keep playing while play has resumed at the game, and they cut back during the middle of a play, or worse - AFTER the play has already happened - totally inexcusable. They Missed the entire Mike Lowell Pick-off and had to show a replay. Terrible.

I don't mind commercials. It's when the inept production crew allows the commercials to keep playing while play has resumed at the game, and they cut back during the middle of a play, or worse - AFTER the play has already happened - totally inexcusable. They Missed the entire Mike Lowell Pick-off and had to show a replay. Terrible.

I'm guessing there was a miscommunication between MLB and TBS about how much time a standard in-between inning break is allowed....

All of the commercial layouts are preplanned... and they know how much time they are going to take...... so something is up.

TBS has been doing a great job but could Chip Carey be any more of a Cleveland homer? It's pretty frustrating to listen to at times.

Good god, what a stupid mistake made by TBS. When the score was 1-0 Yanks, they came back from a break and the score was set to 1-1 for about 2 minutes before they finally fixed it.

Bugs Bugs Everywhere. HD really makes you appreciate what the players are trying to play through.

Does anyone know the policy for which game they will show as the NYY-CLE game is in extra innings and the BOS-LAA game is about to start?

Tnt

sweet, kthxbai

Going out for the night and need to record Red Sox game ... Anyone know if the game will stay on TNT the whole way or switch to TBS after Yankees-Indians? Need answer fast!!!

Going out for the night and need to record Red Sox game ... Anyone know if the game will stay on TNT the whole way or switch to TBS after Yankees-Indians? Need answer fast!!!

It'll switch...it did last night.

Having some strange video problems during Sox-Angels on TBS HD on D*. funny buzz sound and macroblocking for a couple seconds then it clears up.

yeah vurbano...not one issue during the yanks/indians and now we have these obnoxious glitches during the game that really matters!?

I'm experiencing the same issues with 247 on D*

You guys should switch to 95, the MPEG2 version -- it doesn't have any of those glitches at all! Go figure...

Canadian Soldiers ?
The bugs in Cleveland were not Canadian Soldiers (Mayflies) !!
Canadian Soldiers look like gray butterflies with long tails. They are large and move slowly. When they land they stay there for the rest of their life.
The bugs were probably gnats.
Bugs are better than snow!

Great job TBS on your HD coverage.

I didn't know there were so many bugs in Cleveland.

I didn't know there were so many bugs in Cleveland.:eek: That was absurd. It was like a 1950’s B movie. Attack of the Joba killing Gnats! In 3D... I mean HD.

They should have cleared the field like a rain delay and done something. Hose the field down with water or Raid or fly in a friggin crop duster.:rolleyes: That was nuts.

That’s had to happen before in that stadium. You can’t tell me that this is a first. Geeze, I though Moses was going to be coming out of the dugout. They should be prepared.

No way to play baseball.

The other pitchers and hitters had to put up with it, so its no excuse for Joba. He just fell apart, and ultimately did in his team. Can't say I didn't enjoy watching them lose that game...in beautiful HD no less.

I couldn't stand watching from all the bugs. Creeped me out. Sometimes HD has its drawbacks. :)

so its no excuse for Joba..:rolleyes::confused::rolleyes: Who’s making excuses for any one team? :rolleyes:

They all looked like a bunch of cows in a pasture. All they needed were tails flapping. Neither team should have to put up with those conditions. Take a breather and get them off the field. It did eventually clear up.

I couldn't stand watching from all the bugs. Creeped me out. Sometimes HD has its drawbacks. :):eek: I'm still scratching my neck.:p

Anyone else notice that Dish suddenly went HD?

Well, the Sox didn't have to deal with any bugs....just a HUGE walk-off HR from Manny!!!!

:)

Anyone else notice that Dish suddenly went HD?

Dish added TBS-HD today, it will be on channel 6499 but not until 10/10/07. In the mean time they are using channel 542 which was/is a HD PPV channel. You just have to have the lowest eligible package that allows HD and a MPEG4 receiver.

www.satelliteguys.us for more information

Canadian Soldiers ?
The bugs in Cleveland were not Canadian Soldiers (Mayflies) !!
Canadian Soldiers look like gray butterflies with long tails. They are large and move slowly. When they land they stay there for the rest of their life.
The bugs were probably gnats.
Bugs are better than snow!

According to ESPN, they were midges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midge).

Felt like they were right there in the living room with me.

Watching on Comcast in the Denver area. I think the PQ is supurb.

anyone else getting a VERY SLIGHT video lag on the cubs/d-backs game?

Yup, i can definitely hear the ball hitting the mitt before it does on the picture. :confused:

they appear to have it back in sync now...

it's kind of cool seeing the TBS logo show up on the umpire's chest in the top of the first inning...... coming from the imposed ad on the green board behind him.

Looks like they fixed it before the Burrell at-bat. PQ looks stellar in this game.

Baby-Bears vs Dbacks was not that good..... lots of jumbled video on both 247 and 95 on D* in the last innings. So it was either a D* issue or something in the transmission/broadcast from Wrigley.

hmmm... pq on the other game was good here.... but then again, i didn't see the last couple of innings, i took a "movie" break from baseball... :)

tonight's game has a bit of noise... not sure why... just isn't as good as previous games have been... still good... but not as good...

Watching on D* 247 - HR20 and Panny 50" 1080p plasma - Rockies game looks better than the earlier Cubs game. Cubs game had some camera shots panning across the crowd that had the kind of "banding" that I see on 720p games. Seemed to be some trouble dealing with the thin outline of the lettering on the DBacks uniforms.

I'm noticing that the program guide for the "temporary" MPEG2 HD channels on DirecTV don't list the Red Sox / Angels game at 3:00pm today. Will it be there or is it somewhere else that I should be looking?

-Steve

EDIT: OK, stupid me... took me a minute to realize that they probably have all of the bandwidth allocated to the NFL for the afternoon. Nevermind. Probably no HD Sox for me this afternoon...

I'm noticing that the program guide for the "temporary" MPEG2 HD channels on DirecTV don't list the Red Sox / Angels game at 3:00pm today. Will it be there or is it somewhere else that I should be looking?

-Steve

EDIT: OK, stupid me... took me a minute to realize that they probably have all of the bandwidth allocated to the NFL for the afternoon. Nevermind. Probably no HD Sox for me this afternoon...


I beleive you are correct about NFL Sunday Ticket pushing aside the baseball game. I'm getting "channel not available" on D* channel 95 for Red Sox/Angels.

Since Sportsnet HD in Canada picks up the High Definition broadcast from TBS we are also not getting the game in HD. I am really angry, since this could be the deciding game in the series!

It is being carried in SDTV on Sportsnet East and West if anyone is interested (Star Choice and Bell ExpressVu). Since it is not in HD I will wait for the Yankees/Angels game later this afternoon.

Can someone tell me why Dane Cook is even involved in promoting the post season? He's terrible.

Can someone tell me why Dane Cook is even involved in promoting the post season? He's terrible.

Whose Dane Cook? And who really cares? I am just interested in what goes on the field and the PQ of the telecast. Everything else is meaningless ... I don't care who the promoters are, who the commentators are or anything else off the field.

Sportsnet HD now has the Red Sox/Angels game on in HDTV! They picked it up in progress (they started the hour with a swimsuit contest in SDTV). Source is TBS ... PQ looks great as usual.

Yet another sweep ... can Cleveland make it 4!!! Nothing would make me happier to see the Yankees swept!

HDTV: $1,000
DBS Service: $75
Seeing Yankees fans looking sad in HD: Priceless

The two double plays have some in the Bronx wondering.

my god how in the hell TBS swindled this away from ESPN I have no idea. These are possibly the worst announcers, and there undeniable bias towards certain teams is infuriating.

this one guys voice makes me want to stab somebody.

my god how in the hell TBS swindled this away from ESPN I have no idea. These are possibly the worst announcers, and there undeniable bias towards certain teams is infuriating.

this one guys voice makes me want to stab somebody.

I think these are the most boring announcers too. Atleast McCarver and Buck kept you interested in the blowouts.

It's official. Roger Clemens is by far the biggest waste of over $20 million dollars.

my god how in the hell TBS swindled this away from ESPN I have no idea. These are possibly the worst announcers, and there undeniable bias towards certain teams is infuriating.

this one guys voice makes me want to stab somebody.

I've watched most of the games and I detect no bias. I'm going to assume you're the fan of one of the teams that's getting swept right out of the playoffs...hopefully a Yankee fan.

Stop with the Yankee bashing your jealousy shows. It ain't over yet.


GO YANKEES


Rob

Stop with the Yankee bashing your jealousy shows. It ain't over yet.


GO YANKEES


Rob

Jealous of what exactly? Paying old guys far too much money to fail miserably in games that matter most? As a Red Sox fan, I'm not jealous of the Yanks, although I wish you guys had taken Gagne. He's just terrible.

How bout 26 World Championships and the richest franchise and classiest in all of sports. Go back under your rock Soxs boy.

How bout 26 World Championships and the richest franchise and classiest in all of sports. Go back under your rock Soxs boy.

Classy and NY don't go together. I know you're in pain seeing as how your teams in almost every single sport are sucking right now. Mwhahahahaha. Who's the only team in baseball history to lose a series after being up 3 games to 0? Oh right, it's the richest franchise in all of sports! Hahahaha. Trust me, I want the Yanks to beat the Indians so that we can demoralize you guys again.:D

Classy and NY don't go together. I know you're in pain seeing as how your teams in almost every single sport are sucking right now. Mwhahahahaha. Who's the only team in baseball history to lose a series after being up 3 games to 0? Oh right, it's the richest franchise in all of sports! Hahahaha. Trust me, I want the Yanks to beat the Indians so that we can demoralize you guys again.:D

Will see will see 5-3 now it' ain't over as I said and last time I checked the franchise is worth over 1 billion dollars. Oh and your Bruins are doing real well hahaha. Can you say Bill Belacheat

Rob

More awesome picture quality from TBS.

Will see will see 5-3 now it' ain't over as I said and last time I checked the franchise is worth over 1 billion dollars. Oh and your Bruins are doing real well hahaha. Can you say Bill Belacheat

Rob

Took time out from booing the best baseball player in the league to post that, didya? Classy? Yeahhhhhhhh. How them Jets doing against teams that aren't cheating to beat them? And are all NY fans so easy to get riled up? It's fun, and easy.

Took time out from booing the best baseball player in the league to post that, didya? Classy? Yeahhhhhhhh. How them Jets doing against teams that aren't cheating to beat them? And are all NY fans so easy to get riled up? It's fun, and easy.

No it's fun talking to a town that had nothing but losing teams for years and all of sudden you win a couple of championships and all of the sudden you guys are God's gift to sports. Don't make me laugh, my Yanks have enough championships to last me a lifetime. Oh I am watching my Yanks in Hi Def with my laptop with a WIRELESS connection, something you hicks up in New England can't have because it does not fit in your log homes.

Classy and NY don't go together. I know you're in pain seeing as how your teams in almost every single sport are sucking right now. Mwhahahahaha. Who's the only team in baseball history to lose a series after being up 3 games to 0? Oh right, it's the richest franchise in all of sports! Hahahaha. Trust me, I want the Yanks to beat the Indians so that we can demoralize you guys again.:D

And what's the most successful franchise in the history of sports...any sport? You guessed it sir, the NEW YORK YANKEES! :D

No it's fun talking to a town that had nothing but losing teams for years and all of sudden you win a couple of championships and all of the sudden you guys are God's gift to sports. Don't make me laugh, my Yanks have enough championships to last me a lifetime. Oh I am watching my Yanks in Hi Def with my laptop with a WIRELESS connection, something you hicks up in New England can't have because it does not fit in your log homes.

Like I said, it's too easy to rile up a Yankee's fan. Pull their string and watch them make a fool of themself. Congrats on being predictable.

8-3 you damn Sox's fan, see you in Fenway on Friday.

Rob

HDTV: $1,000
DBS Service: $75
Seeing Yankees fans looking sad in HD: Priceless

The two double plays have some in the Bronx wondering.

Posty I use to like you playing NHL 08 in our league, but now I do not know what to think.

I can only assume FrankTV may not be that good. They are pushing the heck out of it. I think I'll be tired of it before it ever airs.

Picture quality is great. I have to say, I've enjoyed the TBS announcers much better than ANY of the FOX commentators. I wish that TBS had the World Series and the ALCS as well. Buck and McCarver were good about 10 years ago, but they are old and tired at this point. McCarver gets ticked off by something and perseverates on it for the next 15 minutes. FOX really needs to get some fresh blood IMHO. The TBS crew has been great - Steve Stone and Tony Gwynn providing color commentary have both been great.

Picture and sound quality is tops. I've been switching between SNF and the ALDS game and TBS is looking so much better. Sound wise they are pretty equal. I don't normally watch baseball but TBS is making me enjoy my HD.

Picture and sound quality is tops. I've been switching between SNF and the ALDS game and TBS is looking so much better. Sound wise they are pretty equal. I don't normally watch baseball but TBS is making me enjoy my HD.

Agreed, the video quality of TBS blows NBC's crapfest away. I just wish TBS and TNT would fix their multitude of lipsynch issues...and start showing non HD stuff OAR...and adding real HD programming. As others have pointed out, TBS is a special event-only channel right now.

Like I said, it's too easy to rile up a Yankee's fan. Pull their string and watch them make a fool of themself. Congrats on being predictable.

The Yanks choked once in 2004. How many times have the Sux choked? Let's count them. 1. 1978 14.5 game lead blown
2. 1986 2 outs in game 6 of World Series.thanks Billy Buck.
3. 2003. Pedro blows game 7 in ALCS. Aaron Booone.
4. 2006. Boston Massacre 2 Nice choke job there.
1 World Series champ since 1918. What a joke.

Go Yankees!

Classy and NY don't go together.:rolleyes: Spoken like a genuine out-of-towner.

Win a few more before you mouth off.;)

Picture and sound quality is tops. I've been switching between SNF and the ALDS game and TBS is looking so much better. Sound wise they are pretty equal. I don't normally watch baseball but TBS is making me enjoy my HD.

Yep, I hate baseball, but the TBS HD has so much truthiness that it is irresistible.

Picture and sound were top notch.

But this overwhelming promotion of Frank Caliendo's upcoming show ("Frank TV", I think! November 20, I think!) reminds me of the first HD Olympics from NBC (the 3x8 2002 games from Salt Lake City), which had seemingly no sponsors except for the infamous and seemingly endless "Hey Todd..." spots by Sony (who largely paid all the HD coverage bills).

Frank Caliendo is a terrific impressionist, and very funny.

But this "Hey Frank..." barrage needs to be cut back a bit.

But this overwhelming promotion of Frank Caliendo's upcoming show ("Frank TV", I think! November 20, I think!) reminds me of the first HD Olympics from NBC (the 3x8 2002 games from Salt Lake City), which had seemingly no sponsors except for the infamous and seemingly endless "Hey Todd..." spots by Sony (who largely paid all the HD coverage bills).


That was the 2004 Athens games where "Hey Todd" was the only commercial.

Picture and sound were top notch.
.... reminds me of the first HD Olympics from NBC (the 3x8 2002 games from Salt Lake City)...:cool:Funny you should mention the ‘02 Olympics. I keep thinking of that HD broadcast as I watch this post-season coverage on TBSHD. That was the last time I was really wowed by an HD event --as I am now.

That was the 2004 Athens games where "Hey Todd" was the only commercial.I stand corrected. You're right.

Thanks.


I still have my D-VHS tapes from 2002, which now that I think about it were possibly commercial-free! At least that's what I remember about the coverage in Dallas where I was living at the time.

I recall it was actually subsidized and produced entirely by HDNet, with their own separate unknown announcing crew. Separate cameras from the NBC-SD coverage, no flashy graphics (like no country flag overlays on the ice lanes in speed skating)... just gorgeous commercial-free high bitrate seemingly uncompressed fabulous high-quality HD seemingly without motion artifacts. The colors at the opening and closing ceremonies and the speed skating venue were astonishing.

Ah... those were the good old days.

I still go WOW much of the time. :)

WOW the Yankees won! (thankfully)

And enough of the FRANK TV hype every half-inning. You'd think that was the only show TBS had.

WOW the Yankees won! (thankfully)

And enough of the FRANK TV hype every half-inning. You'd think that was the only show TBS had.

It's not? I laughed a couple times initially, but now its just sad. There was some show being pushed during the NBA playoffs that was equally as lame, except it was never initially funny. I dont remember the name of that show, but hopefully its cancelled by now.

So far I think the picture quality is good, and I like the broadcasters (and the LACK of graphics all the time), but I have had lip-synch issues since day one with most of the new MPEG-4 channels. I am hoping the situation will improve over time.

SMK

Even though I love to hate the Yankees (as a lifetime Dodger fan ... and Blue Jay fan), I fully expect the Yankees to win tonight ... and it would not surprise me at all to see them win in Cleveland to win the series. Damn those Yankees!!!

Exquisite images this evening from Yankee stadium. Great color balance, good lighting, no motion blur or blocking and all cameras seem to be locked in.

Most importantly, the Tribe's bats are hot!

Beautiful images of both teams getting fed-up with the alleged umpire behind home plate......bad enough he's missed obvious calls.....now he calls time in the middle of Byrd's windup. :rolleyes:

Beautiful images of both teams getting fed-up with the alleged umpire behind home plate......bad enough he's missed obvious calls.....now he calls time in the middle of Byrd's windup. :rolleyes:

Boohoo, just shut up and play the game, you overpaid babies.

I'm watching the game. Both teams need to shut up and play...and play a lot. As a Sox fan I'd love to see these games go deep into the night, using up lots and lots of pitchers.

Long into the night....you got that right for sure.....not even finished with 3 innings and already 90 minutes.

Long into the night....you got that right for sure.....not even finished with 3 innings and already 90 minutes.

Appears that the coaches on each team told their players to make the pitchers pitch. How tall/short is Byrd? He looks like a midget on my 52 inch screen compared to the other players.

North east Ohio. My TBS HD doesn't work. It's the only channel that has digital interference on it.

:(

Sound skips, picture jumps. SD works fine. I'm blaming it on the 8300HDC

More awesome pictures from Yankee Stadium... Even centerfield camera looks sharp!:D:D:D

PQ looks great. I am getting a few little sound blips once and a while.

Another big scare from the Yankees ... as Yogi said, it ain't over until its over!

PQ looks great. I am getting a few little sound blips once and a while.

Another big scare from the Yankees ... as Yogi said, it ain't over until its over!

Who would have thought Jeter would become the Yankee killer? What's that, 5 double plays he's hit into this series?

It's not? I laughed a couple times initially, but now its just sad. There was some show being pushed during the NBA playoffs that was equally as lame, except it was never initially funny. I dont remember the name of that show, but hopefully its cancelled by now.

every time the commercial is aired, it is making TBS $$$$ to pay for the MLB broadcast.

:cool:

every time the commercial is aired, it is making TBS $$$$ to pay for the MLB broadcast.

:cool:

Who is paying them to run commercials for FrankTV?

every time the commercial is aired, it is making TBS $$$$ to pay for the MLB broadcast.

:cool:

I don't think so... it's their own show.

every time the commercial is aired, it is making TBS $$$$ to pay for the MLB broadcast.

:cool:

You don't make money from promos for your own shows. I have not seen much of the coverage, but if there is that many promos for one shows you have to wonder if they could not sell all their inventory.

Yesssss!!!! Bye, bye Yankees! Bye, bye Torre!!!

It was a little scary for a moment ... it looked like the Yankees just might come back.

It will be interesting to see what the Yankees look like next season ... it could be a very different team.

2 good series coming up, starting Friday!

2 good series coming up, starting Friday!

The NLCS will start on Thursday.

8-3 you damn Sox's fan, see you in Fenway on Friday.

Rob

I'm sure you can buy some scalped tickets in the nosebleeds! Bye bye "classiest" team in the world. I really loved when they booed Jeter. Classy.:rolleyes:

Thanks Yankees. Looks like next year will be an even longer season.

Yesssss!!!! Bye, bye Torre!!


You're sick. There couldn't be a nicer guy in the game.

You're sick. There couldn't be a nicer guy in the game.

Hey, guy go easy ... don't be nasty ... I sure wasn't being! It was just a comment! I may hate the Yankees, but I have absolutely nothing against Joe Torre.

Heck, I would be very happy to see the Toronto Blue Jays hire him ... maybe under his leadership they could make it to the playoffs.

Heck, I would be very happy to see the Toronto Blue Jays hire him ... maybe under his leadership they could make it to the playoffs.Might be a better idea to improve their roster a bit first. :)

Worst part about the Sox in the ALCS is the pathetic Faux HD broadcasts we're gonna get, thanks NESN and TBS for superior picture this past year.

I have not seen much of the coverage, but if there is that many promos for one shows you have to wonder if they could not sell all their inventory.

They had plenty of sponsors. FrankTV was the only show they were promoting though. It seemed like the ad ran every break as opposed to multiple times per break.

...for superior picture this past year.
Picture was great but TBS should persuade Chip Caray to pull a Harry Carry on his broadcasting career.

Good critique. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one lowering the center channel.

NY TIMES October 9, 2007
Tv Sports

An Error-Plagued Game, but From the Broadcast Booth

By RICHARD SANDOMIR

No announcer is perfect. A mistake now and then is expected. The best ones realize that they’ve made errors and often do their best to fix them quickly.

Then there is Chip Caray, TBS’s lead baseball announcer, who has been calling the Yankees-Indians division series and will work deeper into the postseason on the National League Championship Series. His play-by-play of the Yankees’ 8-4 win in Game 3 on Sunday night was packed with errors and silly strategy, enough to give me agita.

Caray’s skein of faux pas in Game 3, as well as during Game 2, befogged his announcing like the insects that swarmed Joba Chamberlain on Friday night.

He stated that Derek Jeter was playing in his 49th postseason game — “No. 1 of all time.” Truth: it was his 49th division series game, out of 122 postseason games.

He likened the “dynamic duo” of Chamberlain and Mariano Rivera to the Rivera-John Wetteland bullpen pairing in “those great early years of Joe Torre,” when they were dominating the World Series. Truth: Rivera and Wetteland were Yankee teammates for two seasons, and Torre managed them only in 1996.

He said the “Yankees led the world” in home runs this season with 201. He liked saying it so much he said it again. Truth: The Brewers led the majors with 231, followed by the Phillies with 213 and the Reds at 204. The Yankees and Marlins were tied at 201.

He extolled Alex Rodriguez’s “offensive heroics in the first two months of the season” for keeping the Yankees in the race. Truth: A-Rod had a sensational April, but he slumped in May to a .235 batting average with 5 home runs and 11 runs batted in.

He introduced Indians reliever Joe Borowski in Game 3 as having played for the Brewers and the Reds. Truth: He never played for Milwaukee, and while he once signed with the Reds, he never made it out of spring training. Caray also noted his hometown, Bayonne, N.J., but pronounced it as if it were part of the Louisiana bayou.

The error bug also hit the reporter Craig Sager, who reflected on the absence of Bob Sheppard, the Yankee Stadium public address announcer, and said that his first game in 1951 was between the Giants and the Yankees. Truth: The Red Sox were in town.

Caray does not distinguish a go-ahead run from a winning run. In Cleveland on Friday, he said the Indians had the winning run on second base in the bottom of the eighth, and he put the Yankees in the same position in the top of the ninth. Wrong. He also believes that a runner on second will automatically score on a single. Not always.

He also has an annoying air of certitude. With the bases loaded Sunday, and the Yankees leading, 5-3, thanks to Johnny Damon’s three-run homer, Caray said, “This is a spot where they have to score another run to win the game.” Does he also read palms?

That attitude led him on Sunday, after Rodriguez’s first hit of the series, to say, “And here come the Yankees!” A-Rod went back to the bench on Jorge Posada’s double play.

After Damon’s run-scoring single in the third, he said, “And here they come!”

No, they didn’t: Jeter promptly grounded into a double play.

I’m sure that Caray believed his own words when he said, about the Andy Pettitte-Fausto Carmona Game 2 matchup, that “you can’t get better postseason pitching than we’ve seen tonight.” But there had been better, like that perfect game at Yankee Stadium in 1956 when the 42-year-old Chip’s legendary grandfather, Harry, was only 42.

Had the frequently (and ridiculously) loud Caray stayed on mute throughout the series, the analysis of his partners, Tony Gwynn and, to a greater degree, Bob Brenly, would have been worth three or four hours of my time. But a stronger play-by-play voice, like TBS’s other division series announcers, Don Orsillo, Ted Robinson or Dick Stockton, would have made Brenly and Gwynn better. TBS knows how to fix what’s wrong. Yesterday it added SNY’s Ron Darling to its studio program, providing experience that neophytes like Frank Thomas and Cal Ripken lack.

Here are some questions to ponder through the rest of Caray’s work this postseason. Why isn’t he better prepared? If his producer, Jeff Gowen, is listening to what he is saying, why isn’t Caray improving? And why should I have to keep rushing to MLB.com to fact-check his facts?

Notes

Through Sunday’s games, TBS’s division series average viewership of 5.4 million is up impressively from 4.5 million last year on ESPN, ESPN2 and Fox. ...The NHL Network, with 50 live games and other programming, announced deals to be carried by Cablevision, Comcast, Cox, Time Warner, DirecTV and Dish. It will most likely be available largely on digital sports tiers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/sports/baseball/09sandomir.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin

Worst part about the Sox in the ALCS is the pathetic Faux HD broadcasts we're gonna get, thanks NESN and TBS for superior picture this past year.

Agreed. Going from TBS HD back to Fox HD is going to hurt.

Picture was great but TBS should persuade Chip Caray to pull a Harry Carry on his broadcasting career.



You know the sports situation in NY sucks when this is what they're focusing on. Couldn't happen to a nicer city. :D

forget the picture... going to the Buck and McCarver duo is worse

Joe Torre gave his papers in when he made Wang on 3 days rest pitch..... i am a big yankee fan but that is bad coaching...

also, i think mussina is gone and abreu is coming back... Since they need a right fielder...

Arod is a toss up.... either they let him walk and save money for Johan or pay him the ridiculous salary

You know the sports situation in NY sucks when this is what they're focusing on. Couldn't happen to a nicer city. :D
Boy oh boy you just love poking and pricking until you hear a moan. :rolleyes: You’re not happy until we’re not happy. Is that your motto?

There are hundreds of reports on the Yankees in today’s local newspapers. This is not a one horse town. This one article happens to pertain to the broadcast and I thought it would be of interest to some here. Do you understand? I’m talking too fast for you, like all New Yorkers seem to do in your mind.

Boy oh boy you just love poking and pricking until you hear a moan. :rolleyes: You’re not happy until we’re not happy. Is that your motto?

There are hundreds of reports on the Yankees in today’s local newspapers. This is not a one horse town. This one article happens to pertain to the broadcast and I thought it would be of interest to some here. Do you understand? I’m talking too fast for you, like all New Yorkers seem to do in your mind.

I'm a New Yorker, genius. So I know just how pathetic the sports press and sports radio are. Enjoy! Here's something to help you feel more at home: THE SKY IS FALLING!

I'm a New Yorker, genius. So I know just how pathetic the sports press and sports radio are. Enjoy! Here's something to help you feel more at home: THE SKY IS FALLING!Save the personal descriptions for yourself. You’ve already proven that you are the genius smart guy. :rolleyes:

The NLCS will start on Thursday.

Here are the start times
Games 1 and 3 8:30 ET
Games 2 and 4 10:00 ET:eek:

At least game 2 is Friday, but game 4 is Monday.

This thread's getting pretty hard to follow, so maybe I missed this...

I'm in Loudoun County, VA with Comcast. I was jacked when I saw that they added TBS-HD in time for the game, but I thought TBS-HD looked horrible (at least for the Phillies-Rockies (stupid Phillies) series). It was so compressed that it looked like about every other frame was dropping out. Very herky-jerky, like a video download over a 56K dialup. And the sound sounded like they were talking through a 2-liter Coke bottle with the bottom cut off. And a few people watching with me Saturday night kept asking "what's wrong with the picture?" We switched over to ESPN-HD and the Ohio State game and they said "WOW! is THAT what HD looks like?" It was flawless.

Not to mention that it looks to me like 99% of the time TBS-HD just takes the SD feed, upconverts and stretches it, which I hate.

So, is it TBS or Comcast? Who do I complain to?

Tom

This thread's getting pretty hard to follow, so maybe I missed this...

I'm in Loudoun County, VA with Comcast. I was jacked when I saw that they added TBS-HD in time for the game, but I thought TBS-HD looked horrible (at least for the Phillies-Rockies (stupid Phillies) series). It was so compressed that it looked like about every other frame was dropping out. Very herky-jerky, like a video download over a 56K dialup. And the sound sounded like they were talking through a 2-liter Coke bottle with the bottom cut off. And a few people watching with me Saturday night kept asking "what's wrong with the picture?" We switched over to ESPN-HD and the Ohio State game and they said "WOW! is THAT what HD looks like?" It was flawless.

Not to mention that it looks to me like 99% of the time TBS-HD just takes the SD feed, upconverts and stretches it, which I hate.

So, is it TBS or Comcast? Who do I complain to?

Tomuh you need to complain to your local Comcast affiliate. TBS-HD is HANDS DOWN the greatest looking HD channel for sports that i have ever witnessed. granted non-sports is a completely different issue. but the ALDS and NLDS series have simply been amazing on Comcast here in Nashville/Murfreesboro (TN).

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Sorry if this has already been posted. Awesome news for this Rockies fan, and it came out of left field!


Edit: Just saw it was a sticky. I wonder why they waited so long to tell their subs?

Here’s a follow up to the article I posted yesterday. Same writer, he’s just continuing his appropriate rant on Chip Caray.:cool:

NY Times October 10, 2007
By RICHARD SANDOMIR
...I won’t go on at length about Caray’s miscues during the Yankees-Indians division series as I did yesterday. But during Game 4, he wrongly situated the Chrysler Building in downtown Manhattan during a blimp shot; falsely named Kei Igawa as a product of the Yankees’ farm system; incorrectly said the Indians were on an “unbelievable hot streak”; clumsily described Indians starter Paul Byrd’s effective five-inning stint as “magnificent” and fumbled over the history of Mike Mussina’s relief appearances.

When Johnny Damon’s sixth-inning single moved Shelley Duncan to third, Caray uttered, “The crowd is up for grabs.” I have no idea what he meant.

In the eighth, he said, “Barring another run by Cleveland, it sets up Joe Borowski in the ninth.” Don’t try parsing that one; your hair will fall out.

•

Here is my prescription for fixing TBS’s baseball announcing woes. First, don’t let Caray continue to the National League Championship Series. Rush right now and hire the Mets’ SNY voice, Gary Cohen.

Two, restore the old practice of adding local announcers from the two teams in a series to add greater knowledge of the players. For the World Series, NBC brought in the Mets’ Lindsey Nelson in 1969, the Tigers’ George Kell in 1968, the Red Sox’ Ned Martin in 1975 and the Reds’ Marty Brennaman in 1976.

Three, never load up a crew of National League-related voices, as TBS did with Caray, Tony Gwynn and Bob Brenly, for an American League series.

Four, don’t interview Jon Bon Jovi or any other entertainer as pitching change filler as Craig Sager did Monday in the sixth inning.

Five, subject all new announcers, like Gwynn, to auditions that require them to tell stories and demonstrate an audible voice.

Heck, is Ernie Harwell available?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/sports/baseball/10sandomir.html?ref=sports

The Rockies bandwagon is rolling and Colorado Springs fans are jumping on.

...Chuck Barger, president of Audio Visionaries on North Academy Boulevard, said there’s been a Rockies-related surge in both big screen sales and people wanting to get highdefinition TVs.

“We’ve had a lot of rush phone calls: ‘Can you get down this weekend?’” Barger said. “Not just restricted to televisions, but delivery of high definition.”

Comcast has seen an uptick in high-definition subscriptions since the Rockies made the playoffs, spokeswoman Cindy Parsons said. Comcast recently added TBS to its HD tier, as have Dish Network and DirecTV, so if you want to count the stitches on the baseball on your plasma screen — and you can get an HD package by this evening — you’ll be in good shape.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/rockies_28343___article.html/series_cleveland.html

Two, restore the old practice of adding local announcers from the two teams in a series to add greater knowledge of the players. For the World Series, NBC brought in the Mets’ Lindsey Nelson in 1969, the Tigers’ George Kell in 1968, the Red Sox’ Ned Martin in 1975 and the Reds’ Marty Brennaman in 1976.
Agree 100%. Fox, pay attention as well.

Three, never load up a crew of National League-related voices, as TBS did with Caray, Tony Gwynn and Bob Brenly, for an American League series.
Ripken should have been in the booth instead of Gwynn.

Four, don’t interview Jon Bon Jovi or any other entertainer as pitching change filler as Craig Sager did Monday in the sixth inning.
Even money TBS interviews the real Frank Caliendo sometime in this upcoming NLCS in Denver or Phoenix, doing the same impressions. His latest blog entry talks about some of the feedback he's gotten:[URL=http://www.frankcaliendo.com/index.php?page=blog&clickLoc=navClick[/URL]
Four A: Cut way back on the number of FRANK TV promos so as not to alienate potential viewers. Will there be any new material left by Nov. 20?

Five, subject all new announcers, like Gwynn, to auditions that require them to tell stories and demonstrate an audible voice.
His voice grates on me a bit, but he is a class act. He should improve during the NLCS.

R.I.P. 2007 Yankees

Top 20 Cable Shows, Week Ending 10/07/07

RANK PROGRAMS NET # Persons Live+SD AA(000) HH Rating Live+SD
1 NFL Patriots vs. Bengals ESPN 11834 7.7
2 MLB Division Series - Indians vs. Yankees Gm 3 TBSC 8460 5.4
3 MLB Division Series - Yankees vs. Indians Gm 2 TBSC 7578 4.9
4 MLB Division Series Yankees vs. Indians Gm 1 TBSC 6683 4.5
5 MLB Division Series Angels vs Red Sox Gm 2 TBSC 6386 4.2
6 MLB Division Series Angels vs Red Sox Gm 1 TBSC 5460 3.7
7 MLB Division Series Cubs vs Diamondbacks Gm 1 TBSC 5133 3.4
8 WWE Entertainment WWE Raw USA 4755 2.8
9 MLB Division Series Diamondbacks vs. Cubs Gm 3 TBSC 4670 3.0
10 MLB Division Series Phillies vs. Rockies Gm 3 TBSC 4484 2.8
11 WWE Entertainment WWE Raw USA 4460 2.6
12 MLB Divison Series Red Sox vs. Angels Gm 3 TBSC 4201 2.8
13 MLB Wildcard Playoff Padres vs. Rockies TBSC 3951 2.5
14 The Hills MTV 3860 2.7
15 Law & Order: Criminal Intent USA 3755 2.6
16 MLB Division Series Cubs vs. Diamondbacks Gm 2 TBSC 3735 2.6
17 Twitches DSNY 3684 2.5
18 NCAA Football Sat Wisconsin vs. Illinois ESPN 3485 2.5
19 Hannah Montana DSNY 3421 2.4
20 Sportscenter ESPN 3412 2.4

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2007/10/09/nfl-yankees-rule-cable-ratings/