Is there any comparison chart for the Mits 65" models? Looks like they have 65833, 65831, 65734, WDY657, WDC657. Any recommendations? Is it worth going for the Diamond series?

The 65833, 734, and 733 are this year's models of sets. The 831 was last year's version of the 833. The WDY657 is the Circuit City exclusive set which is basically the same as the 734 with a different trim (might be missing an HDMI port I forget). The WDC657 is the Costco exclusive version which is basically the same as the 734 (or was it 733?) with a missing HDMI port. Cnet has a pretty straight forward run down of this year's models:

http://reviews.cnet.com/projection-tvs/mitsubishi-wd-65733/4505-6484_7-32450668.html?tag=prod.txt.3

I was looking at the 833 when I was TV shopping (well originally it was the 733 but my budget somehow kept on moving up), but eventually decided to go with the Sony KDS-60A3000. The PQ on both sets is great, they both have HDMI 1.3 (may or may not be important in the future), and both have 120Hz refresh. In the end I was slightly more impressed with the Sony, and I was able to get it for a few hundred bucks cheaper. It was very close, and the bulk of the decision was comparing the Mits' extra 5 inches and extra HDMI port against saving 300-400 bucks by getting the Sony.

Thanks for the info! All these models are listed on the Mits web site, so I thought they were all current models. Wonder if the 833 offers any significant advantages over the 831...

Thanks for the info! All these models are listed on the Mits web site, so I thought they were all current models. Wonder if the 833 offers any significant advantages over the 831...

The difference beween the 831 and 833,
833 has game video mode, 3D, 120Hz, 4 HDMI 1.3 inputs (831,3HDMI 1.2 inputs) xv color, Deep color, I think thats it.
With the 120Hz, some say they see a difference, some say they don't.

The difference beween the 831 and 833,
833 has game video mode, 3D, 120Hz, 4 HDMI 1.3 inputs (831,3HDMI 1.2 inputs) xv color, Deep color, I think thats it.
With the 120Hz, some say they see a difference, some say they don't.

It is also only 1/2 the total weight.

I was looking at the 833 when I was TV shopping (well originally it was the 733 but my budget somehow kept on moving up), but eventually decided to go with the Sony KDS-60A3000. The PQ on both sets is great, they both have HDMI 1.3 (may or may not be important in the future), and both have 120Hz refresh. In the end I was slightly more impressed with the Sony, and I was able to get it for a few hundred bucks cheaper. It was very close, and the bulk of the decision was comparing the Mits' extra 5 inches and extra HDMI port against saving 300-400 bucks by getting the Sony.


Note that that 5" would give you 17% more viewing area!!

It is also only 1/2 the total weight.

The 833 is half the weight of the 831?

For some reason, the weight specs seem to be all over the place. How do they cut the weight in half for the same size screen?

The 833 is half the weight of the 831?

For some reason, the weight specs seem to be all over the place. How do they cut the weight in half for the same size screen?

The 831 99lbs-19.8" deep
The 833 78lbs-15.4" deep
This years models are slimer than last years.
Mit, sammy, sony and JVC have all went to slimer models this year,
Mit and sony seem to have done a better job with the slimer models

The 831 99lbs-19.8" deep
The 833 78lbs-15.4" deep
This years models are slimer than last years.
Mit, sammy, sony and JVC have all went to slimer models this year,
Mit and sony seem to have done a better job with the slimer modelsThats a odd statement, why did Mit and Sony seem to have done a better job with the Slimer RPD models compared to Samsung and JVC?

Note that that 5" would give you 17% more viewing area!!

But it was going to be 20-25% more cost at the prices I could find at the time, plus a moving color wheel vs. no moving parts.

Thats a odd statement, why did Mit and Sony seem to have done a better job with the Slimer RPD models compared to Samsung and JVC?

Sam and JVC had a lot more bowing issues on the slimer sets, just read all the different Forums, this is what i mean by this statement, not sayin they are bad sets or anything like this, just saying the bowing issue was a big problem more so on these two.

Sam and JVC had a lot more bowing issues on the slimer sets, just read all the different Forums, this is what i mean by this statement, not sayin they are bad sets or anything like this, just saying the bowing issue was a big problem more so on these two.

Every single Mitsu 65" I was looking at in the last month was, well, smiling. They were all bowed upwards at the edges. That includes:

2 WDY657that I personally had
3 65733 display models in 3 different BestBuy stores
2 WDY657 on CC displays
1 65734 in 6th ave electronics

that's 8 tv's total !

In all fairness I saw one 73733 in BB that was straight also last year model WDY65, that I had, was straight. Reading the 833/733 thread here leads me to believe that geometry is a common problem with this year Mitsu too.
I for one was unable to correct it in the service menu (the middle would stay bowed). On the other hand others have reported that even if you can correct it, correction does not apply to 1080p sources.
I've read few reports that say that their geometry is perfect, that's why I'm not giving up and will order 65833 later this week. However if that one let's me down, I guess I will call it quits on Mitsu this year or try to live with the bowed Y657.

Every single Mitsu 65" I was looking at in the last month was, well, smiling. They were all bowed upwards at the edges. That includes:

2 WDY657that I personally had
3 65733 display models in 3 different BestBuy stores
2 WDY657 on CC displays
1 65734 in 6th ave electronics

that's 8 tv's total !

In all fairness I saw one 73733 in BB that was straight also last year model WDY65, that I had, was straight. Reading the 833/733 thread here leads me to believe that geometry is a common problem with this year Mitsu too.
I for one was unable to correct it in the service menu (the middle would stay bowed). On the other hand others have reported that even if you can correct it, correction does not apply to 1080p sources.
I've read few reports that say that their geometry is perfect, that's why I'm not giving up and will order 65833 later this week. However if that one let's me down, I guess I will call it quits on Mitsu this year or try to live with the bowed Y657.

I'm not saying Mit,and Sony has perfect geometry, most of these sets don't, be it Mit, Sony, Sams, JVC etc, But from everything i seen and read ,it was really bad on the sam's and even more so on the JVC's, With Mit it seems to be more of a problem on the 73" sets, perfect geometry has always been a issue on all these sets.
and yes I've been in BB/CC before where i did not see perfect geometry on any of these sets.
this is all my opinion, and i'm sure not everyone agrees with it.

I'm not saying Mit,and Sony has perfect geometry, most of these sets don't, be it Mit, Sony, Sams, JVC etc, But from everything i seen and read ,it was really bad on the sam's and even more so on the JVC's, With Mit it seems to be more of a problem on the 73" sets, perfect geometry has always been a issue on all these sets.
and yes I've been in BB/CC before where i did not see perfect geometry on any of these sets.
this is all my opinion, and i'm sure not everyone agrees with it.

I agree in general. I think that by going to slimmer, more flimsy cases, all manufacturers made the geometry problems pop up. Samsumg is probably the worst with the case that can be easily bent by slight hand pressure. Last year model Mitsu had the back of the cabinet really reinforced around the mirror with more screws and more molds, which this year does not have and it shows.

I agree in general. I think that by going to slimmer, more flimsy cases, all manufacturers made the geometry problems pop up. Samsumg is probably the worst with the case that can be easily bent by slight hand pressure. Last year model Mitsu had the back of the cabinet really reinforced around the mirror with more screws and more molds, which this year does not have and it shows.


So... When do you think the new models will come out?
Is there an eta? And has the problem been addressed?

I agree in general. I think that by going to slimmer, more flimsy cases, all manufacturers made the geometry problems pop up. Samsumg is probably the worst with the case that can be easily bent by slight hand pressure. Last year model Mitsu had the back of the cabinet really reinforced around the mirror with more screws and more molds, which this year does not have and it shows.
I disagree with this. I find this years geometry considerabley better than previous years.
Overall lines are much straighter (and easy to adjust if they are not 100% to your likeing). Last years had more keystone issues from bottom to top and side to side (along top and bottom edges).
This years doesnt require mechanical alignment becuase the engine is more squarely and firmly positioned on the base. Combine that with less movement in the screen frame and you end up with a much better geometry adjustment overall.
The downside however is that on PC and GAME/FX mode the alignment is disabled.

I disagree with this. I find this years geometry considerabley better than previous years.
Overall lines are much straighter (and easy to adjust if they are not 100% to your likeing). Last years had more keystone issues from bottom to top and side to side (along top and bottom edges).
This years doesnt require mechanical alignment becuase the engine is more squarely and firmly positioned on the base. Combine that with less movement in the screen frame and you end up with a much better geometry adjustment overall.
The downside however is that on PC and GAME/FX mode the alignment is disabled.

You're kidding right? Go out and check the box construction for last year models, you will find 2x sturdier. On this year I can easily flex the mirror part, not so much on the last year. If the geometry was so improved we wouldn't hear from so many folks here trying to adjust it in the service menu. I haven't seen one last year model yet with the side distortions I see on this year. Like I wrote before, out of 8 tv's I haven't seen one with straight lines. The bowed lines are not fixable in the geometry adjustment. You can fix the squareness of the picture and the 4:3 lines but not the bowed up horizontal ones. Also the adjustment doesn't work in 1080p mode. You call it an improvement? I don't think so. I think the cabinet is definitely one to blame for the geometry. Those who have good geometry on this year models just got lucky and have cabinet that is fairly straight.
Having said all that, I love the 65" series for everything else (beside the geometry) and I will still try my luck today, as I'm going to order 65833 from BB here. I still believe that a "perfect" 65" is out there somewhere and can replace current Y657 with bowing. Just hoping I don't get one with bowing AND the noise...

You're kidding right? Go out and check the box construction for last year models, you will find 2x sturdier. On this year I can easily flex the mirror part, not so much on the last year. If the geometry was so improved we wouldn't hear from so many folks here trying to adjust it in the service menu. I haven't seen one last year model yet with the side distortions I see on this year. Like I wrote before, out of 8 tv's I haven't seen one with straight lines. The bowed lines are not fixable in the geometry adjustment. You can fix the squareness of the picture and the 4:3 lines but not the bowed up horizontal ones. Also the adjustment doesn't work in 1080p mode. You call it an improvement? I don't think so. I think the cabinet is definitely one to blame for the geometry. Those who have good geometry on this year models just got lucky and have cabinet that is fairly straight.
Having said all that, I love the 65" series for everything else (beside the geometry) and I will still try my luck today, as I'm going to order 65833 from BB here. I still believe that a "perfect" 65" is out there somewhere and can replace current Y657 with bowing. Just hoping I don't get one with bowing AND the noise...

Most of the geometry problems on these sets have been with the side 4.3 lines, and most that had a issue with it was able to fix it, most of the bowing
that your talking about seems to be on the 73", and not every one with the 73" had issues like you , some are very happy with their sets, if the geometry is so bad on all these sets, that if you get a straight one , it's just luck,then everyone one would see bowing on about every set they look at, your the only one (that i know of ) that seems to see bowing on about every set you look at, have the 73734 (had the 65734) and 65833 , and on all 3 , no bowing, and side lines off less that 1/8 on 1, less than 1/16 on other two, so if it's just luck, guess I'm very lucky then, yes, Hipnodiq is right ,on some of last years sets, some had bowing, up to now, it has been no model, be it Mit, Sony, JVC,Sam, etc, that has had no issues at all with bowing /geometry, If in your mind the bowing/geometry is so bad on the Mit, why not move on to one that you will be happy with.

Most of the geometry problems on these sets have been with the side 4.3 lines, and most that had a issue with it was able to fix it, most of the bowing
that your talking about seems to be on the 73", and not every one with the 73" had issues like you , some are very happy with their sets, if the geometry is so bad on all these sets, that if you get a straight one , it's just luck,then everyone one would see bowing on about every set they look at, your the only one (that i know of ) that seems to see bowing on about every set you look at, have the 73734 (had the 65734) and 65833 , and on all 3 , no bowing, and side lines off less that 1/8 on 1, less than 1/16 on other two, so if it's just luck, guess I'm very lucky then, yes, Hipnodiq is right ,on some of last years sets, some had bowing, up to now, it has been no model, be it Mit, Sony, JVC,Sam, etc, that has had no issues at all with bowing /geometry, If in your mind the bowing/geometry is so bad on the Mit, why not move on to one that you will be happy with.

You guys are killing me. I'm not talking about 73s but 65s, and yes, unless I'm blind or my eyes are crooked, all the ones that I saw (except Y65) were bowed horizontally (smiley face). I'm not talking about 4:3 bars, that can be fixed.
I'm not the only one talking about it, look through the 733/833 threads.
I would like to get the good tv, since you and few others imply that there are good geometry units out there, I just haven't found one. If I wanted to move on I wouldn't be posting here asking for possible input/fix. Like I said, I like the tv and I will give Mitsu one more try with 833 and see how that pans out.

You guys are killing me. I'm not talking about 73s but 65s, and yes, unless I'm blind or my eyes are crooked, all the ones that I saw (except Y65) were bowed horizontally (smiley face). I'm not talking about 4:3 bars, that can be fixed.
I'm not the only one talking about it, look through the 733/833 threads.
I would like to get the good tv, since you and few others imply that there are good geometry units out there, I just haven't found one. If I wanted to move on I wouldn't be posting here asking for possible input/fix. Like I said, I like the tv and I will give Mitsu one more try with 833 and see how that pans out.

Sorry man, just have not seen much bowing on the 57" and 65" sets, and had no problem finding a good one,
Hope everything works out for you this time! and if nothing else , the 833 is a much better set than the CC model.

Sorry man, just have not seen much bowing on the 57" and 65" sets, and had no problem finding a good one,
Hope everything works out for you this time! and if nothing else , the 833 is a much better set than the CC model.

Done deal. I've just ordered 65833, should have it next Thursday.
Now the waiting (and the hope for a good set) begins...

You're kidding right? Go out and check the box construction for last year models, you will find 2x sturdier. On this year I can easily flex the mirror part, not so much on the last year. If the geometry was so improved we wouldn't hear from so many folks here trying to adjust it in the service menu. I haven't seen one last year model yet with the side distortions I see on this year. Like I wrote before, out of 8 tv's I haven't seen one with straight lines. The bowed lines are not fixable in the geometry adjustment. You can fix the squareness of the picture and the 4:3 lines but not the bowed up horizontal ones. Also the adjustment doesn't work in 1080p mode. You call it an improvement? I don't think so. I think the cabinet is definitely one to blame for the geometry. Those who have good geometry on this year models just got lucky and have cabinet that is fairly straight.
Having said all that, I love the 65" series for everything else (beside the geometry) and I will still try my luck today, as I'm going to order 65833 from BB here. I still believe that a "perfect" 65" is out there somewhere and can replace current Y657 with bowing. Just hoping I don't get one with bowing AND the noise...
no...I am never kidding.
The reason people are talking about the geometry adjustment this year is becuase it is the 1st year Mits has an electrical alignment for it.

Since Mits introduced DLPs I have noticed significant improvement in geometry each year and this year is no difference.

Also, as I corrected someone on another thread 1080p signal still has the alignment adjustment. As long as it is not setup as a PC or GAME mode.

Done deal. I've just ordered 65833, should have it next Thursday.
Now the waiting (and the hope for a good set) begins...

Why didn't you try and locate one of last year's models on closeout? Doesn't make sense to me that you'd order supposedly inferior product and set yourself up to hate it. If you want pixel-to-pixel mapping and are picky about geometry then LCD/Plasma is the place to be.

-Evan

Why didn't you try and locate one of last year's models on closeout? Doesn't make sense to me that you'd order supposedly inferior product and set yourself up to hate it. If you want pixel-to-pixel mapping and are picky about geometry then LCD/Plasma is the place to be.

-Evan

Last year is pretty much not available, besides it had a noisy cooling design.
Never did I say it's inferior, just that quality is lacking on some sets.
Since everybody here says that geometry is superior and I am imagining things, hey I must be wrong than, why not order the new one than?

Last year is pretty much not available, besides it had a noisy cooling design.
Never did I say it's inferior, just that quality is lacking on some sets.
Since everybody here says that geometry is superior and I am imagining things, hey I must be wrong than, why not order the new one than?

Saying that "quality is lacking" means that you think the sets are inferior to something that ISN'T lacking in quality.
Anyways, what does it matter what I or anyone else says about a set? If YOU see a problem then why order one? If everytime you look at the set you are going to see what you see (and I have also seen some geometry issues in SOME Mitsu sets on display, BTW, and that would drive me nuts as well) then what's the point? Maybe I just don't get it.

-Evan

Why didn't you try and locate one of last year's models on closeout? Doesn't make sense to me that you'd order supposedly inferior product and set yourself up to hate it. If you want pixel-to-pixel mapping and are picky about geometry then LCD/Plasma is the place to be.

-Evan

The xx833 has 1:1 pixel mapping in PC mode

Saying that "quality is lacking" means that you think the sets are inferior to something that ISN'T lacking in quality.
Anyways, what does it matter what I or anyone else says about a set? If YOU see a problem then why order one? If everytime you look at the set you are going to see what you see (and I have also seen some geometry issues in SOME Mitsu sets on display, BTW, and that would drive me nuts as well) then what's the point? Maybe I just don't get it.

-Evan

I've said before, i've seen some geometry issues in all of them , be it Sony, Mit, Sam or JVC, but much less in the Sony's and Mit's

no...I am never kidding.
The reason people are talking about the geometry adjustment this year is becuase it is the 1st year Mits has an electrical alignment for it.

Since Mits introduced DLPs I have noticed significant improvement in geometry each year and this year is no difference.

Also, as I corrected someone on another thread 1080p signal still has the alignment adjustment. As long as it is not setup as a PC or GAME mode.

It was me that you corrected in the other thread, but despite your advice, I simply can not get ANY geometry adjustments in 1080p. None, not any, nothing at all on my set with the PS3 or the 360. But wait, when I play a BD through my PS3, I can adjust the geometry while the movie is playing. The settings only apply for BD playback via the PS3, any other PS3 application is not adjustable. Drop my PS3 output to 1080i and viola! I can adjust the geometry at all times. Return to 1080p and the geomety goes back to horrible default.