ok here is the prob any help would b great i dont really even know where to start looking

i have about 10g's in ht equip all deff tech speakers
now the prob is its a huge loft apt
16 foot ceilings hardwood floors etc..

1st i have to turn it up pretty loud to hear the dialoge and my center is about +3

2nd i have no idea where to place my rears on the left side is a window on the right i would have to put it basically in the middle of the room with a wire strected across the floor

3rd o the echo lol how do i go about placing and deciding what treatments go on the walls floor etc ..


ill try to post a pic of the room in a few
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ok this is the front where the screen will go when $$$ allows

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this is the left side of couch notice speaker location

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view from kitchen

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view from rear

I think the biggest problem you're going to face in that space is acoustical in nature. All the wood and walls will cause some major echoing problems, which will contribute to making the dialogue unintelligible. I don't know what you've done so far, but start by setting the speaker distances in your receiver, and setting the speaker levels in your receiver by using an SPL meter. If you've already done this, you probably need room treatments of some sort before anything else. You can probably start by trying to put down some area rugs and put up some curtains, but obviously the best thing to do would be to put real acoustic treatments in. As far as where to start...that's really not my expertise, but there are number of people who can help with that. I really think that the room's acoustics are probably the biggest factor in why you are having difficulty understanding the dialogue.

1st i have to turn it up pretty loud to hear the dialoge and my center is about +3
Your center is relatively tiny. Is there a bigger DefTech center? Maybe a powered one?

Is there is any chance you could buy a single speaker that is identical to your front L/R speakers for use a center? With a screen, you've got the perfect opportunity to do this. It might put your screen a little bit high, but this would make the ideal center.

the center is a clr2500 powered
that wall is about 16 feet across also



now as far as treatments i ben looking into bass traps diy
but im having a real hard time trying to understand how many and where and what kind lol

and does the room size matter for the bass most people use bass traps in small rooms for the bounce effect of the waves i guess dont i have enough
cubic vol to componsate or does that have nuthing to do with it

Best I remember, 16' will give you peaks at 30hz, 60hz, 120hz, 240hz... So if you have two different room dimensions at 16', bass traps would be a good idea. I have a 16' dimension plus 8' ceilings which is a similar problem. But you have so much open wall floor and ceiling space I would bet you need some mid-high frequency absorption as well. I don't like putting permanent absorption up everywhere in my living room, so I have some commercial acoustic blankets hanging over garment racks that I can put away in the closet whenever. If you can stand rugs, curtains, fiberglass or acoustic foam, have at it.

you dont have much art on the wall, think tapisty (i know typo) not painting.
an area rug would be nice but I understand if you can't/don't want to.
If you have a Denon, Elite, or I think Onkyo amp the the calibration mic should help with the setup.