I have reversed the cables in my Marquee 8500 and its now properly displaying the menu when its upside down..so I am in the leauge for people who should own crts, Ben:p

anyhow, on the phone today I spoke with mrutopia who told me he had trouble getting the other RGB box and instead offered me a really good Barco RGB box that apparantly could do uh tweaks to the gamma (which I know has to do something with the brightness) and obvously throws a better picture...
the only catch is the price of 500usd which he told me was generous and I really believe him since hes a very nice guy and hes actually come over here and replaced my last non-working marquee with, which he didn't have any obligation to do.
We also split the payment over a 6month time which is another indication that I got a good deal.

the question is; does it really make that much of a difference? mind it is one of the last RGB boxes that Barco produced.

Again, I know I tend to ramble:p I'm used to other forums...:rolleyes:

Well, I had a RGB box from Barco before, and even though Barco stated that it had a bandwidth of 120 MHz, the picture was definitively worse than without.
But maybe it was a different box? This is the one I sold: http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=interfacefrontminicx4.jpg

Well, I had a RGB box from Barco before, and even though Barco stated that it had a bandwidth of 120 MHz, the picture was definitively worse than without.
But maybe it was a different box? This is the one I sold: http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=interfacefrontminicx4.jpg

Ok, whats the point of using one when you could do without?

and what projector did you use?

Well, I had it long before I got my 1209s.
With the Barco 800 series you needed the RGB interface if you wanted to hook up a PC to the projector.

I have no idea what BArco RGB box you're talking about, can you post a pix?

Hi Curt,

please check my first post in this thread, there´s a link to a pic :)

PS: Here´s the rear of the interface:

click (http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/646/interfacerearminihn9.jpg)

Sorry for being off topic, but why am I listed as a new user?
I have been here since 2001 and I had more posts than listed in my profile.

The rear pic on your barco box has only one sync. the marquee needs two H and V. Wil it sync with only one? not sure.

Axell if the barco box is 500 bucks spend the money on a moome card instead!

everyone who has it loves it and you can go straight to blueray or hd dvd with out worying about HDCP problems.

Athanasios

The rear pic on your barco box has only one sync. the marquee needs two H and V. Wil it sync with only one? not sure.

Axell if the barco box is 500 bucks spend the money on a moome card instead!

everyone who has it loves it and you can go straight to blueray or hd dvd with out worying about HDCP problems.

Athanasios

my name's Axel the lagerlf thing is my last name*:p

Ok, well Im fine with the picture as-is...how big is the difference with a moome card or hdfury?

I have no idea what BArco RGB box you're talking about, can you post a pix?

don't have it yet, he sent it to me this evening...
however its one of the latest of the Barco rgb boxes and he told me they cost 3000usd new..

I was able to lower my contrast and brightness with the moome card to get the same image from just my rgbhv cables before. And withthe moome its all digital if you have a HDMI dvd player or HTPC , reciever ect. Almost evryone who has a marquee had got the moome card and love it. I definitelty think it is something you should get on the list for, once there gonbe there gone . This Is moomes second batch he addded after many marquee owners missed out on the intitial batch. I'd get one if i were you.

Athanasios

Sorry for being off topic, but why am I listed as a new user?
I have been here since 2001 and I had more posts than listed in my profile.

It's based on user posts I think, I don't know why post # is low, there is a support area of the forum you could ask about. You can also change that subheading manually to whatever you want, for instance mine is "perpetually confused," I think you can still do that change in the user CP.

I was able to lower my contrast and brightness with the moome card to get the same image from just my rgbhv cables before. And withthe moome its all digital if you have a HDMI dvd player or HTPC , reciever ect. Almost evryone who has a marquee had got the moome card and love it. I definitelty think it is something you should get on the list for, once there gonbe there gone . This Is moomes second batch he addded after many marquee owners missed out on the intitial batch. I'd get one if i were you.

Athanasios

ok, well not today, Im gonna let my anxiety decide this and it tells me it needs a working projector fast!:p and besides I dont have any cash until in 3months...and I doubt Ill be using hdmi and if so, why not get the considerably cheaper hdfury?

Axel[/QUOTE]

Btw whats better if you look at PQ; the moome card or the RGB box...

its here tomorrow..cant wait to have my set up and running..

this barco box goes to 350MHz

best of the best ofcourse

this barco box goes to 350MHz

best of the best ofcourse

Is it one of the relabeled Extron boxes, or one made by Analog Way?

A model number would really help.

have 1 more if someone needs the best

Due to the crappy postal service here in Sweden, the package is arriving tomorrow...can't wait

Ok, I got the RGB box, and I wish I had a working digital camera..

It doesnt appear to be relabeled or anything, it also looks pretty new and unused, with an unscratched sticker with the words SUN L on the top, and the Barco label to the right of the power indicator on the front and to the lower right you see the product name QUAD SPLITTER 350.

The problem is, it only has rgbhv inputs/outputs so I can't connect it to my projector, I've emailed the seller and I'm sure he just forgot to send one of those 9-pin cables Curt was talking about..all of the rgbhv connections have V and H sync. and something called "Cable Equalizing" with 4 different outputs.

Something that also worries me is that to the lower right of the POWER/MAINS
(power connection) I see "R9828300 Made in Belgium" "100-240Vac" "0,3A" and "50-60Hz" which totally contradicts the whole 350 thing...

it also has a switch for SYNC between ANALOG and TTL.

underneath it I find a european union sticker and the serials; 286870 R9828300 and with big letters 1107026.

So I really do think that this box has a great value to it, if its able to do 350Hz and has been produced by barco
(all eu stickers indicate that it has been produced within the european union)

Any thoughts? how much would you say its worth?

again Thnx for all help.

The problem is, it only has rgbhv inputs/outputs so I can't connect it to my projector,

Something that also worries me is that to the lower right of the POWER/MAINS (power connection) I see... "50-60Hz" which totally contradicts the whole 350 thing...:p :D

http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/downloads/quad_splitter_350.pdf

I haven't understanded why you need this box? Or are you stacking four marquees and need four outputs? :D
And as you can see it doesn't have gamma adjustment.

You can buy normal one output 120 MHz line driver boxes les than $50 from ebay, but I'm not even sure if Marquee need that. Maybe it's needed if you use long crappy cable, but short crappy cable or good quality cable should be fine straight from video card or scaler. If not, then there is problems in source or in pj.

http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/downloads/quad_splitter_350.pdf

I haven't understanded why you need this box? Or are you stacking four marquees and need four outputs? :D
And as you can see it doesn't have gamma adjustment.

You can buy normal one output 120 MHz line driver boxes les than $50 from ebay, but I'm not even sure if Marquee need that. Maybe it's needed if you use long crappy cable, but short crappy cable or good quality cable should be fine straight from video card or scaler. If not, then there is problems in source or in pj.

well obviously the short crappy cable doesnt do so well... and the retailer has told me that I need an RGB box, that it has gamma adjustment and that it is a really really good box, I've tried two different cables and Ive only succeeded once after twitching the cable..and it worked throughout an entire movie.

I live in sweden and I want this projector to work this month so thats why im opting for this box..

could it be some setting that I've completely forgot??????????

The guy is probably going to send me that 9-pin cable tomorrow already...though 500usd is alot of money to me..

I'm with Ile on this one. I have NO idea why you need this box. I've done probably 200 Marquee setups here with all sorts of hardware/software and have never needed any external box.

If you've spent $500 now for hardware that you don't need, I thought you said that the seller would come to your place for $200.. Why not have him come out and if the box isn't required, get him to take it back and have him SHOW you what's wrong with your setup? you've been at this for quite some time, and I'm not sure that anyone other than the seller (or someone coming to your home) can figure out what you're doing wrong. (or if there's a problem with the set).

[QUOTE] he problem is, it only has rgbhv inputs/outputs so I can't connect it to my projector, I've emailed the seller and I'm sure he just forgot to send one of those 9-pin cables Curt was talking about..all of the rgbhv connections have V and H sync.[ /QUOTE]

That IS how you connect it to your projector. Marquees require RGBHV inputs. You Need a transcoder to take either component or vga to the RGBHV inputs on your Marquee. I think your just confused. That Is why the Moome HDMI input card or his extrenal HD box would be best for you. that way you can conect your HDMI DVD player directly to your Projector with no other boxes and it also has Component input as well so two sources can be added. and if you want to conect your pc it be easier to find an HDMI output card for your pc. its a simpler more elegant way to go to your marquee and only one cable unless you add a second source with component.

I'm sure the box is nice but not good for you unless you have a source that can send out RGBHV.

Athanasios

Axel, is the Barco box you received the same box as the one Ile linked to (http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/downloads/quad_splitter_350.pdf)?

Axel, is the Barco box you received the same box as the one Ile linked to (http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/downloads/quad_splitter_350.pdf)?

Yes it is.

[QUOTE] he problem is, it only has rgbhv inputs/outputs so I can't connect it to my projector, I've emailed the seller and I'm sure he just forgot to send one of those 9-pin cables Curt was talking about..all of the rgbhv connections have V and H sync.[ /QUOTE]

That IS how you connect it to your projector. Marquees require RGBHV inputs. You Need a transcoder to take either component or vga to the RGBHV inputs on your Marquee. I think your just confused. That Is why the Moome HDMI input card or his extrenal HD box would be best for you. that way you can conect your HDMI DVD player directly to your Projector with no other boxes and it also has Component input as well so two sources can be added. and if you want to conect your pc it be easier to find an HDMI output card for your pc. its a simpler more elegant way to go to your marquee and only one cable unless you add a second source with component.

I'm sure the box is nice but not good for you unless you have a source that can send out RGBHV.

Athanasios

I'm going to use it solely with my Geforce 7600GS equipped HTPC..
the thing is he forgot to send the 9-pin cable that goes from the box to the projector.

But so many people have told me that the Marquee 8500 should do ok with an rgbhv cable directly from the comp, so am I missing something here???? any settings????

I have gotten it to work once, and that time I just had to twitch the cable a couple of times and then it worked, I didn't have to put alot of effort into it so I mustve been extremely lucky that one time... or could it have been something with the computer BIOS? or are there any settings I need to change in the projector???

And just for the record; Im super broke right now so fancy HDmi can wait...

I'm with Ile on this one. I have NO idea why you need this box. I've done probably 200 Marquee setups here with all sorts of hardware/software and have never needed any external box.

If you've spent $500 now for hardware that you don't need, I thought you said that the seller would come to your place for $200.. Why not have him come out and if the box isn't required, get him to take it back and have him SHOW you what's wrong with your setup? you've been at this for quite some time, and I'm not sure that anyone other than the seller (or someone coming to your home) can figure out what you're doing wrong. (or if there's a problem with the set).

Hes been at my place!!!!

He was here when we replaced the non-working projector..and we used two different cables and yet were unable to get a working image.

Both him and Tim in phoenix have told me you need a stronger signal since "the comp only does a 0.7V and the Marquee needs 1V" Are you sure it doesnt have anything to do with electrical stuff? we have different electricity here so maybe it needs a stronger signal...

No, the MArquee is very forgiving with the input signals. That box has no boosting capabilities, only a compensation control for long cable runs.

Check this:

Put the brightness and contrast at 60. Put up the stepped gray scale pattern. Can you see the 0 or 10 IRE bar _just_ lit up? 20 IRE should be bright enough to light up on the screen, but 10 and 0 IRE will probably just be lit up on the face of each tube. That will verify that the G2 and drive controls are set correctly. Put sunglasses on so you don't fry your eyes when looking into the tubes.

I REALLY don't think you need the Barco box.

No, the MArquee is very forgiving with the input signals. That box has no boosting capabilities, only a compensation control for long cable runs.

Check this:

Put the brightness and contrast at 60. Put up the stepped gray scale pattern. Can you see the 0 or 10 IRE bar _just_ lit up? 20 IRE should be bright enough to light up on the screen, but 10 and 0 IRE will probably just be lit up on the face of each tube. That will verify that the G2 and drive controls are set correctly. Put sunglasses on so you don't fry your eyes when looking into the tubes.

I REALLY don't think you need the Barco box.

dont see any IRE things in the tubes....neither with the computer on nor without any source...

I put on sunglasses, I pressed the # button and toggled through the grayscale test patterns and I didnt see any IRE..

so this means that the "G2" settings are uncorrectly set??..how do I set them? and should I really do that or is it risky business?

It's the grayscale test pattern. 100 IRE is full white. 0 IRE is full black. How many gray bars can you see on each tube face?

oh that... I can see them all... for the last time, theres nothing wrong with the projector!

That interface was available sometime in 1997. Hardly the "latest and greatest".
Imho not even worth 1/5th of what you paid for it.

Btw, you don't need a "9-pin cable" for this Barco interface.
The 9-pin cable (actually an MBC or master breakout cable) is typically needed for boxes like the Extron RGB 118 or the like only. It comes in many varieties, but the most useful one would have a DB-15 (15-pin VGA) connector for the PC, then a 9-pin connector that goes into the interface box, and a 15-pin monitor connector (for a local monitor).

all you need for the Barco Quad splitter is a VGA -> RGBHV (VGA -> 5 BNC) breakout cable.
And then an RGBHV -> RGBHV cable to connect the output to the PJs input.

oh that... I can see them all... for the last time, theres nothing wrong with the projector!

Get some other sources to test the PJ then if you are so sure that the PJ is working properly.

If you are not willing to do that, we will continue to assume that either the PJ or the cable could be broken as well.

Get some other sources to test the PJ then if you are so sure that the PJ is working properly.

If you are not willing to do that, we will continue to assume that either the PJ or the cable could be broken as well.

I have tested an S-vhs cable but I cant get a picture, any ideas?

I have tested the S-vhs thing with a dvd player and my computer...no success

That interface was available sometime in 1997. Hardly the "latest and greatest".
Imho not even worth 1/5th of what you paid for it.

Btw, you don't need a "9-pin cable" for this Barco interface.
The 9-pin cable (actually an MBC or master breakout cable) is typically needed for boxes like the Extron RGB 118 or the like only. It comes in many varieties, but the most useful one would have a DB-15 (15-pin VGA) connector for the PC, then a 9-pin connector that goes into the interface box, and a 15-pin monitor connector (for a local monitor).

all you need for the Barco Quad splitter is a VGA -> RGBHV (VGA -> 5 BNC) breakout cable.
And then an RGBHV -> RGBHV cable to connect the output to the PJs input.

I havent paid anything yet... we split the payment over a 6month period

And I will most definantly pay him if this thing works after that, he told me he always uses these boxes on all of his projectors.

he just mailed me telling me that he'll talk to one of his friends so I can get that rgbhv-rgbhv cable as soon as possible.

Forget the SVHS cable. You'll never use it. Get another computer and SVGA to BNC cable and try different RGBHV sources. That's about all I can offer.

I got a Barco box, never used it though.

Anyone know if it's any good ?

pic1 (http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/28588/2004954959457117714_rs.jpg)

pic2 (http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/32170/2004954713548757106_rs.jpg)

I got a Barco box, never used it though.

Anyone know if it's any good ?

pic1 (http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/28588/2004954959457117714_rs.jpg)

pic2 (http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/32170/2004954713548757106_rs.jpg)

looks old, doesnt have V/H sync connections

Forget the SVHS cable. You'll never use it. Get another computer and SVGA to BNC cable and try different RGBHV sources. That's about all I can offer.

ok, well Ive tried three different computers... why not use the S-vhs as a preliminary set up? how do I get the S-vhs to work?

Axel, I get the sense you're suffering from information overload. I have the exact same projector as you and I admit I'm not always the brightest bulb on the scoreboard but for what it's worth, MY advice would be to return that ancient $500.00 box and just buy a moome internal card. Hell, for what you're spending on that box that you DON'T need, you can get the moome internal gamma card WITH the remote control AND the HDFury.

I'm not attacking your purchase but man you sure would be a helluva lot better off getting the moome card. As has already been said on page one, (nashou66?), it will simplify your connectivity problems.

If you stick with that RGBHV distribution splitter, which is all it is, (making one input into many identical outputs, or vice versa), you gain nothing except headaches and a pile of adapters. Sure the Marquee will accept RGBHV, sure it looks great, but unless you have sources that are all RGBHV you ARE going to need transcoding. (changes an input format to a different output format).

Now if you plan on doing everything with an HTPC, all you need is a VGA to RGBHV cable and set the Marquee for Source 1. Then create memory locations tweeked for different resolutions and aspect ratios.

With the DVI/component moome card you create an all digital path from source to projector (if the source is compliant that is). You stated you don't plan to get any sources that are HDMI. That's cool. The Marquee can't output sound anyway (HDMI is DVI with sound all in one connector) but you CAN use an HDMI to DVI adapter if you get a source with DVI output. The moome also allows you to use component sources such as video game consoles (and of course DVD players that only have the red green and blue RCA connectors).

And forget the S-vid like Curt said. It's a waste of time and effort. I challenge you to find one person here or anywhere who if given any other connectivity option would choose S-vid over that.

Anyway...good luck. It's a very nice projector. It doesn't need a $500.00 anything to get very acceptable results from it. That comes later on when you get into it more....then you'll want to seek out Mike Parker Mods.

Greg

Axel, I get the sense you're suffering from information overload. I have the exact same projector as you and I admit I'm not always the brightest bulb on the scoreboard but for what it's worth, MY advice would be to return that ancient $500.00 box and just buy a moome internal card. Hell, for what you're spending on that box that you DON'T need, you can get the moome internal gamma card WITH the remote control AND the HDFury.

I'm not attacking your purchase but man you sure would be a helluva lot better off getting the moome card. As has already been said on page one, (nashou66?), it will simplify your connectivity problems.

If you stick with that RGBHV distribution splitter, which is all it is, (making one input into many identical outputs, or vice versa), you gain nothing except headaches and a pile of adapters. Sure the Marquee will accept RGBHV, sure it looks great, but unless you have sources that are all RGBHV you ARE going to need transcoding. (changes an input format to a different output format).

Now if you plan on doing everything with an HTPC, all you need is a VGA to RGBHV cable and set the Marquee for Source 1. Then create memory locations tweeked for different resolutions and aspect ratios.

With the DVI/component moome card you create an all digital path from source to projector (if the source is compliant that is). You stated you don't plan to get any sources that are HDMI. That's cool. The Marquee can't output sound anyway (HDMI is DVI with sound all in one connector) but you CAN use an HDMI to DVI adapter if you get a source with DVI output. The moome also allows you to use component sources such as video game consoles (and of course DVD players that only have the red green and blue RCA connectors).

And forget the S-vid like Curt said. It's a waste of time and effort. I challenge you to find one person here or anywhere who if given any other connectivity option would choose S-vid over that.

Anyway...good luck. It's a very nice projector. It doesn't need a $500.00 anything to get very acceptable results from it. That comes later on when you get into it more....then you'll want to seek out Mike Parker Mods.

Greg

Ok, well as stated earlier I am super duper broke and the guy offering me the Barco box has agreed to split the payment into 6months, this guy is really nice in-fact he exchanged a Marquee 8000 that stopped working
(after I bought it from him for an xbox and a digital 500$ proj and 150bucks) against a Marquee 8500 with very very slight wear and a sharp blue tube.

So if he tells me this is the top of the line of RGB boxes I have a hard time not believing him, hes told me these projectors doesn't work without one of these and we live in Sweden so thats not an impossibility... are you sure about the value of this box? apparantly it can do 350Hz..which is good right?:p
I know...its the refresh rate.

He will send me the cable so that I have it sometime next week, probably tuesday if he mails it tomorrow... But until then I would really like to show my friends how cool the image is compared to those horrible digitals I used to own... and that I should be able to do with an S-VHS cable so I'd really appreciate if someone would explain what I should press on the remote to make it work:o

any ideas? I think its weird that Curt hasnt been able to figure this out...
have you ever tested a marquee abroad?

hmm but speaking of that moome board, is there a big difference and is it just as good as the rgb box or better? I doubt Ill have any connection issues since I am going to use this Solely with my PC.

Transcoding? what? again Im using a PC...

BTW the projector isnt ceiling mounted yet so I can only see 1.5/4 of the upper screen since its lying on the floor until my dad comes this weekend and can properly mount it.

I got a Barco box, never used it though.

Anyone know if it's any good ?If I remember correct those vga interfaces are lower BW than same aged 120 MHz bnc models. It's still good for older Barcos to chance sync polarity to negative. Sync combination also saves one bnc cable.:)

If extra low BW boosting stage degrade PQ, then RGB lines are easy to bypass and use it just for syncs...

You wont need any extra devices with your pc vga out, if all devices are ok. RGB box won't make picture better if your cable is good quality.

DVI or HDMI input cards are useles hype with pc, you just limit your video card pixel clock to 150-165 MHz.:rolleyes: You might get little better picture compared to crappy analog cables, but there is great chance that you just find more problems with those devices. Those are good for stand alone players, but I dont see much point for your pc.

You wont need any extra devices with your pc vga out, if all devices are ok. RGB box won't make picture better if your cable is good quality.

DVI or HDMI input cards are useles hype with pc, you just limit your video card pixel clock to 150-165 MHz.:rolleyes: You might get little better picture compared to crappy analog cables, but there is great chance that you just find more problems with those devices. Those are good for stand alone players, but I dont see much point for your pc.

Great, now how about getting the S-vhs thing working???? how do I do it???

I've sold a number of MArquees overseas with no issues. If the input has been correctly selected on the keypad via the input button, you probably ahve a bad quad decoder/video board. I've got lots of spares here.

Great, now how about getting the S-vhs thing working???? how do I do it???

Forget about the s-video its an obsolete input and the picture sucks from it unless you have a laser disc player i wouldnt bother. just find a vga to RGBHV cable and use that. it should sync right up under input 1. Like curt said it might be a bad s-video input board(the quad board).

I have a feeling its just something your over looking or just cause your not familiar with this projector.

Athanasios

Axel...dude....you don't need the box OK? Simple as that. I'm sure the guy you're working with is great and I'm not saying he's screwing you in any way shape or form...but instead of giving him 6 payments YOU take the money and put it away every month and then get a transcoder LIKE the moome. It doesn't have to be a moome....but it's earned high marks with many many Marquee owners.
Until then, just get the VGA to RGBHV cable and just feed the projector from your PC. Press the Input button and then the #1 button on the remote and you should be off and running. From there it's doing as good a setup as you can to get it as sharp as you can. Curtpalme.com has more Marquee information than you'll ever need.
It really is that simple.

BTW...I messed with the S-video on my Marquee for about 10 minutes once and couldn't get it to work either. I only did it because I was curious...not because I considered actually using that port.

Slow, steady, and methodical and you'll have it up and running in no time.
And read, read, read everything you can get your hands on about it.
Again.... www.curtpalme.com

Greg

Basically I dont get the whole select input button thing, is this what Ive missed? I cant find the button on the remote... Ive never tried pressing anything, the projector auto detects the signal and the flashing occurs..

oh and btw this is a Marquee 8500 VR-CUBE which means its been in a 3D dome and might have different components and stuff in it...

That might be the whole problem. THe RGB Input is 'source' , 0, 1.

I don't think this is an auto detect set unless I'm missing something. THe input number is stamped on the back of the video board, do a 'source', 0, 'X', the 'X' being the input number you're selecting.

Basically I dont get the whole select input button thing, is this what Ive missed? I cant find the button on the remote... Ive never tried pressing anything, the projector auto detects the signal and the flashing occurs..

Yup. Do what Curt says. I have a habit of talking alot and not actually saying what I think I am. He's much more concise than I.
If I remember correctly the changes made to the 8500 for a cube configuration aren't even remotely (pun intended) to the operation of the remote.
I am confused why you can't get an image tho. In your early post(s) it sounds like you were already rockin and rollin with a source attached. Now it sounds like you have a dead set, or one with issues.
If you can turn it on, press the #, and cycle through the onboard patterns, that's a great thing. If you connect a source via the VGA port, and make sure you've selected Source 01 on the remote, and power up the source, and you get an image, there isn't a problem.
IF you do all that and don't get an image, now we're talking a whole different thing.
Let me ask you this. We'll start from square one; When you first power the projector on and about 15 seconds later....do you see NoVsync on the screen? Normally it will be in the upper right half of the screen. (The only other way it could be would be in the bottom left, upside down, if the scan yoke connectors weren't configured correctly)

Greg

Yup. Do what Curt says. I have a habit of talking alot and not actually saying what I think I am. He's much more concise than I.
If I remember correctly the changes made to the 8500 for a cube configuration aren't even remotely (pun intended) to the operation of the remote.
I am confused why you can't get an image tho. In your early post(s) it sounds like you were already rockin and rollin with a source attached. Now it sounds like you have a dead set, or one with issues.
If you can turn it on, press the #, and cycle through the onboard patterns, that's a great thing. If you connect a source via the VGA port, and make sure you've selected Source 01 on the remote, and power up the source, and you get an image, there isn't a problem.
IF you do all that and don't get an image, now we're talking a whole different thing.
Let me ask you this. We'll start from square one; When you first power the projector on and about 15 seconds later....do you see NoVsync on the screen? Normally it will be in the upper right half of the screen. (The only other way it could be would be in the bottom left, upside down, if the scan yoke connectors weren't configured correctly)

Greg

Nono the set is up and running fine, all I get is flashing... but I really believe its due to the weak signal (the marquee 8500 needs 1.0volt and a regular Swedish computer does 0.7) I believe this since when I am powering it up (the computer) I can see the bios text very clearly, its still flashing but less..

Theres nothing wrong with the projector, yes I see no vsync in the upper right corner, since Ive reversed the scan.

And yes the patterns work fine, I can see all shades of gray, though it hasnt been converged yet.

Basically the projector works but all I get is flashing and rolling when I connect it directly from my computer to the projector, I will recieve the rgbhv-rgbhv cable next week so that I can test the RGB box.

Any ideas?

That box doesn't output 1.0 Vpp, it's same 0.7 Vpp that from all video cards and scalers.

Does marquee show are both syncs ok in some menu?

That box doesn't output 1.0 Vpp, it's same 0.7 Vpp that from all video cards and scalers.

Does marquee show are both syncs ok in some menu?

yeah, but there might be something wrong since it shows two different settings on the menu, both settings have "ASR=OFF" one has 6x and 4x something in H/vsync

and the other one shows 0 in both H and V sync...

Is there anything you guys can think of that can cause flashing and rolling of the image?????????????? anyone??????

So many have said that I should be able to do without the box.... 500bucks indeed is alot of money to me.

Are you using all 5 cables into the back of the marquee? you need to have all three going in the red.blue.green colors and then H sync and the V sync. make sure you dont have any mixed up. try switching the H and V cables on the marquee.

Athanasios

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Are you using all 5 cables into the back of the marquee? you need to have all three going in the red.blue.green colors and then H sync and the V sync. make sure you dont have any mixed up. try switching the H and V cables on the marquee.

Athanasios

I've already tried that, H is for black and V is for white, right?

I dont have anything mixed up and I have the VGA cable tightly screwed to my computer..

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Don't have any money at the moment... and split over a 6month period; 500usd iisnt that much for a working 8500 set...


BUT it should work without that god damn box right????? what have I done wrong? any settings you can think of?, when I first power the computer on it shows a bios thing that rolls less than it has.

but when it gets to displaying the desktop the whole thing flashes and such...


THE thing is! Ive gotten this to work once!, and I only had to twitch the cable a couple of seconds and then it worked...........

but when it gets to displaying the desktop the whole thing flashes and such...


THE thing is! Ive gotten this to work once!, and I only had to twitch the cable a couple of seconds and then it worked...........

I wonder of one of the conectors on the input modual is loose or not making a connection?

hmmmm?


Athanasios

I wonder of one of the conectors on the input modual is loose or not making a connection?

hmmmm?


Athanasios

what do you mean?

Axel,
At this point you may want to post a question in the Home Theater PC (HTPC) forum. It sounds like you're projector is OK and you've gotten it to work once by connecting to your HTPC so they may be able to help.

You haven't mentioned what video card (or I forgot..this thread is getting long) you have, what your PC video settings are, if you're using Powerstrip or TheaterTek, or........and it would be immensely helpful if you could post some pictures.
Even if you bought a cheepo Kodak digital throwaway/turn-in camera just so you could get us some pictures, or borrowed a digital cam just long enough to get some pix it would help.
This is akin to brain surgery by smoke signal... It's frustrating for everyone.

And..."twitching the cable"? What does that mean? You had to jiggle or wiggle the cable to get an image on the screen? Wiggling or jiggling anything to get an image is not a solution, it's an incidental diagnostic discovery; which means something isn't right. Either the VIM or the cable end connector needs attention if it worked after moving the cable around.

I don't mean to be insulting but did you read the Marquee Owners Manual and the Setup Manual? I think the enlightenment you seek is within those tomes. :p

Greg

Axel,
At this point you may want to post a question in the Home Theater PC (HTPC) forum. It sounds like you're projector is OK and you've gotten it to work once by connecting to your HTPC so they may be able to help.

You haven't mentioned what video card (or I forgot..this thread is getting long) you have, what your PC video settings are, if you're using Powerstrip or TheaterTek, or........and it would be immensely helpful if you could post some pictures.
Even if you bought a cheepo Kodak digital throwaway/turn-in camera just so you could get us some pictures, or borrowed a digital cam just long enough to get some pix it would help.
This is akin to brain surgery by smoke signal... It's frustrating for everyone.

And..."twitching the cable"? What does that mean? You had to jiggle or wiggle the cable to get an image on the screen? Wiggling or jiggling anything to get an image is not a solution, it's an incidental diagnostic discovery; which means something isn't right. Either the VIM or the cable end connector needs attention if it worked after moving the cable around.

I don't mean to be insulting but did you read the Marquee Owners Manual and the Setup Manual? I think the enlightenment you seek is within those tomes. :p

Greg

Ive read a large part of the users manual, not all but enough to get it running,

Yes I meant jiggling wiggling, but I only got it to work Once, which was really weird since I got it working just after 10secs of wiggling it... However that was with the Marquee 8000 that later broke*

Now I am using a M8500 which has the same problem.

Ive told you all Im using a Geforce 7600GS powered computer, but Ive tested a bunch of others as well... no success, not even with one of the latest best ones that my friend brought uh I think it was a 3month old super new ATI card.

The VIM/bad cable thing is something curt has been nagging about since day one, and the answer is:
Theres nothing wrong with the projector! I got it from a very very nice guy who Ive met in person and whom Ive had countless of phone calls with.. Ive been to his place and hes been to mine, I saw the first one I got, working for over 3hours at his place and displaying the best image Ive ever seen.

Then, when that one broke, he drove 2hours just to get here and replace it and we tried using two different cables to get it working but again nothing but flashing and rolling, then he told me that he always uses one of these rgb boxes when connecting it to a computer...and that he could send me one.

Then he found out that one of the guys he shares a storage room with had "borrowed" his one and only rgb box spare and all he had left was pro-boxes and we agreed to split 500usd over a 6month period.

I havent paid anything yet. The box just rests on my desk since he forgot to send me an rgbhv-rgbhv cable, which he says hes going to do after getting one from his friends
(I got the box this week and hes probably going to send that cable next week)..long story short.. I dont think hes trying to fool me on anything, if theres anyone that has lost alot of time and money on this transaction; its him, and Im grateful that hes put this much effort into this.

Tomorrow, me and my dad will drive to a mall and check out every god damn store for this darn cable, and if we dont find it Im just gonna try to bring a whole bunch of my friend's dvd players and try two or more S-vhs cables..since I now that I need to select "source" and then "5" on the remote. I dont own a dvd player but Ive tried it on my computer and again, flashing and rolling..

That one time it worked: (using the marquee 8000 VR-Cube that later broke)

I tried using my brothers crappy geforce 4600 ti, I then tried wiggling the cable a little (I hadnt tried this at all before) and then I saw the bios power up with a big IBM logo, so I turned it off and then I switched to my computer and it worked once again and I brought a friend here and we watched star wars, then i turned it off. Later that night when I tried doing the same thing and I couldnt get a signal to the green tube, the desktop was red and blue...(I could still get menu stuff with the green) I got tired of wiggling and turned it off. The next day it was broken; the tubes didnt light up.

With this projector, the marquee 8500 VR-Cube, all I get is rolling and flashing no matter how much I wiggle that cable.

Ill try posting some pics tommorow, the only camera I have is broken.

Again, yes Ive tried pressing the # button and yes the test patterns
are solid, its a source thing.

Its really frustrating to have something so costly and time consuming just laying around for over 2months so I really wanna get this thing working.

Oh and yes I truly believe there might be a voltage thing about this, since the rolling and flashing is significantly less when powering it up and I can clearly see some text from the bios. BTw The rolling goes vertically upwards. to the right.

whow a thought just struck me... I might have used a different power cable when I got it up running....gonna go try that now...

Edit: tried it, didn't work...rolling and flashing..