Hey there,

I am about to sell my BG1209s including a set of spare tubes in Germany.
The built in tubes have a rating of 10/10/9 (R/B/G), the spare tubes are 9/9/6.
What do you think, how much is this set still worth?

Pictures of the tubes can be found here (http://dwarfurl.com/100a7).

THX,
CRTmaster

German Ebay prices are generally fairly high, guess they will be lower on an enthousiasts forum, like bei sammen. Ebay.de, €3-4K, perhaps you might be lucky.

Not going to register to check the tube pics.

Right, you can´t see the pics without being a registered member.

OK, I uploaded the pics to imageshack:

Pictures of the built in tubes:

blue tube (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bild1rhreblaulc4.jpg)
red tube (http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/754/bild3rhrerot2rp5.jpg)
green tube (http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5931/bild2rhregrn3zv0.jpg)


Pictures of the spare tubes:
blue tube (http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8287/bild2ersatzrhreblaukc4.jpg)
red tube (http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/2171/bild1ersatzrhrerotca2.jpg)
green tube (http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6820/bild2ersatzrhregrnmq3.jpg)

donald,

I think 3k€ is way too low for a 1209s (tube ratings: 10/10/8) plus a set of spare tubes (ratings: 10/9/6). I already have several offers for the spare tubes, and at the moment the highest offer is 1300€, even though the green tube only has a rating of 6. But I am only selling tubes with the projector.

THX,
Synthauri

I agree - if the tubes are as good as you say - and you have spares, then a lot more.

It all depends on what the market will bear.

Alot of people in Europe/Asia/Australia see the US prices and think "yes that's what they are worth" when they don't add on things like shipping, duty, insurance etc
Also, they see machines selling dirt cheap because the tubes are shot, but the ignorant don't think about things like that.

I've had a bunch of people tell me that I'm asking too much for my BG1209 in Australia. I get comments "I can get one much cheaper" but the reality is, when those people go to import them they find out the real value is much higher. Europe is in the same boat but the funny thing is that Barco is a European brand.


You have a really good machine there, I would hold onto it until someone is prepared to pay what its worth.

Good luck

Sorry, was not considering the spare tubes. I would say the price you would get on ebay.de for the projector would be somewhere between 3 and 4K and up.

I see you reduced the rating of the first green tube to 8, looking at the picture I wouldn't rate it a 9 either. As a 9 would mean wearfree. Wouldn't rate the others a 10 either as that would mean they are new;-).

What tubes are they? PLUG's? Shouldn't matter in performance, but they are sought after. Know of one 1209s/E recently being sold with replacement, wearfree, PLUG's for about the top-end of my earlier estimate (asking price including the French DVI input was 4500).

HFQ 900 lenses would also add some value, as would other higher performance types.

The high(er) prices you see on ebay.de are from a few resellers, and you'll see they are regulary not being sold on the first listing.

Parts quite often sell for more than the sum of the parts, so selling the spare tubes seperately might be a good idea if you are looking to maximize the return.

Oliver, the issue is that the really high-end of the market is now starting to move to 909's, which are starting to become available. The medium end of the market is under pressure from people buying a JVC HD1 new for just under 6K.

Strange, I haven't seen many 909s. :( and the ones that have appeared have all been fetching top dollar.

Let me know if you see a cheap one :)

donald,
I think 3k€ is way too low for a 1209s (tube ratings: 10/10/8) plus a set of spare tubes (ratings: 10/9/6). I already have several offers for the spare tubes, and at the moment the highest offer is 1300€, even though the green tube only has a rating of 6. But I am only selling tubes with the projector.
THX,
SynthauriFirst off, Your not supposed to sell your stuff on the open forum, there is a marketplace here where you can do that if you pay for club membership.
http://marketplace.avsforum.com/showcat.php?cat=2
Second, if someone offered you 1300 euro for that second set of tubes with burnt Green then you would be crazy not to take it.

I too think that the 909ers are still very rare and very expensive. And I suppose that won´t change so soon because Barco hasn´t produced huge amounts of the 909ers. And the next question is: would anybody pay twice as much as for an 1209s, if the picture quality is just a tiny little bit better? At least I wouldn´t. I would rather invest some money into the mods offered by Greg (Eisenmann). IMHO a modded 1209s is even a little bit sharper than a 909. Or am I wrong?

This is definitely a fine machine - however the prices for these boxes are under pressure from the digital high-end, either a JVC HD1 for EUR 5k or a Ruby for 4k or maybe an Full-HD will do like the Mitsubishi HC-5000 for 3k

I don't want to start a CRT vs. Digital discussion (and I love my BG808) but at the end of the day you buy a 'picture' and the digital one's are closing in on quality IMHO. Plus for the same price you get a brand new plug-and-play box with all the modern interfaces plus 2-year guarantee, ...
vs. a ten-year old, 100 kg monster with no guarantee and doubtful repair options once it fails.

So, the monster has to offer some price advantage here - when I bought my BG808 the digital league was just offering widescreen PAL (1270x576) resolution or a lot of people were using the ISCO lenses with a 800x600 projector, both options costing twice as much as I payed for my BG.

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Oliver, on the Dutch forum alone, three 909s on offer recently. Oops, forgot there was another one, but the seller changed his mind and took it off the market, whithout putting up an asking price, first.

Well top 'dollar' would be 20 or 30 thousand Euro. Quote for a refurbished 909 from an official dealer earlier this year was approximately 31 thousand Euro plus tax, this was a French dealer, so add 19.6%. The ones I have seen recently each had an asking price of around 10K Euro.

Cheap for a 909, but a lot of money, indeed. Indirectly it does limit the prices for 1209's, 6K was attainable in some European markets not too long ago, but the people who spend that kind of money on CRT projectors now have the option of a newer 909 from a reseller for a few thousand more.

HD1s going for 5K Euro retail doesn't help either.

Top dollar for a 909 - I think its around 15-20k US maximum.

I don't think these sets have much effect on the market.

What does is the fact that 8" machines are much cheaper - this in turn pushes the 9" machine's prices downwards. Like valve audio equipment, I feel strongly that top end 9" machines will become the turntables of the video world.

I do hear you with regard to digital - but there are still people who take on CRT as a hobby. 5 months ago, I was a digitial guy. I came across CRT and was sold. I know of more than a handful of people who are "getting into" CRT now.

As far as I can see, CRT has still got a bit of life yet ;)

top end 9" machines will become the turntables of the video world.

Yeah, but turntables, which IMHO are a real obsolete medium, are inferior compared to digital audio,especially compared to the new audio formats on HD-DVD or BR. No crackles, no distortions (even if lots of people like the harmonic distorions :-), etc. Hey, I still love the 12 inches, and I still have about 1500 records in my basement. But last year I sold my Denon DP-47F and didn´t regret it.

CRT projectors are often compared to turntables, but CRT projectors (I am speaking of the 9 inchers) definitively have their advances over digital projectors: better color reproduction, no RBE, no digital artifacts, usually very sharp images (though digital projectors sometimes look even sharper due to their "virtual" sharpness caused by the panel pixel structure), no problems with 24p (if you drive your CRT with 48 Hz from a HTPC or a scaler), etc.

Hey, if some people now get outraged by this posting, please don´t forget it´s IMHO. And IMHO a CRT makes a much better film-like picture than most of the digitals out there. OK, if you like a sharp Windows desktop or display a lot of games on your screen, then a digital projector is better for this people.

Further more, this year I saw the new SIM2 DLP projector with 3 panels, costing about 50.000 € (that´s what the people from the AUDIO magazine said). I must admit that THAT was a very cool picture, and yes, better than any CRT projector. But since that beast costs 10 times as much as a used CRT, it is silly to compare them.

Well, enough said...Gentlemen, start your bashings please :D

PS: I saw a lot of people converging from digital to (high end) CRT projectors, bot only a few went the other way round and were really satisfied. Of course I know that will change some day in the future, there´s no doubt about that. Digital projectors are becoming better and better from year to year, and the prices go lower and lower.

I am sure I won´t write such a post like my last one in about 5 years or so, but right now the real film lovers know what´s best for them :-)

So let´s have some fun for many years to come, until we will have to surrender :D

Top dollar for a 909 - I think its around 15-20k US maximum.

I don't think these sets have much effect on the market.

What does is the fact that 8" machines are much cheaper - this in turn pushes the 9" machine's prices downwards.

8<

I know of more than a handful of people who are "getting into" CRT now.


And many folks who own a good condition 8" CRT projector, are no longer as keen to upgrade to a 9" CRT projector, unless they can get one at a really good price. They will either continue to watch and enjoy 720P, or 1080i (or even P), or move to a JVC, Samsung1000/2000, Sony VW-60, and so on. The switch to digital projectors usually comes when people move or remodel, or the projector goes on the blink.

I also know of plenty of people who are getting into CRT now, now they are becoming cheap, overhere as well:D.

People have been talking about the "end of CRT" since 2000.

Here we are in 2007 and all going strong! :)

The same arguments now were being made back then about the "imminent death" of our hobby - how digitial is catching up.

I'll believe it when I see it :)

Well it is a second life for the crt's, from boardrooms, classrooms, auditoria, controlrooms and even 3D cubes to attics, basements, converted bedrooms or even livingrooms. The first life is largely over, and was on its last breath around 2000. Hence slogans like Barco's 'CRT Forever'. Well they discontinued the 912, and the 909 must be on its way as well, as they are putting in digital projectors in the last remaining strongholds of crt's, like planetaria, and 3D simulation, and so on. Some even have better contrast and dynamic ranges than 9"/12" crt's.

Hello CRTmaster,

it is funny: someone called Syntauri wrote this in another forumhttp://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633232:

Hi folks,

somebody is selling a Barco Graphics 1209s in a german forum including a set of spare tubes.
Link: Barco 1209s

What is a Graphics 1209s with spare tubes worth these days?
And is it still better than all the digital flashlights out there?
Right now I am considering buying a new projector, and the new JVC HD100 seems to be great projector, though it´s gonna have a heavy impact on my finances

Did anybody compare its predecessor, the HD1, to a 9 inch crt?

Cheers,
Synthauri

Do you know him?

Bist Du das, Axel? Lang nix mehr von Dir gehört :-)
Ich glaub, Du hast mal früher einen Barco von mir gekauft.

Strange, I haven't seen many 909s. :( and the ones that have appeared have all been fetching top dollar.

Let me know if you see a cheap one :)

Asking price 'only' E 7K (some room to negotiate I gather), due to the higher run time on the chassis (just under 15K hours), but this reputable Flemish reseller claims the tubes are 9/9/9. It is one (the cheapest) of four units he has on offer.

So, recently seen 6 units on offer, plus the one Curt had for sale not too long ago, and perhaps one or two others, I forgot about. All without actually looking for the for sale signs;-).