View Full Version : New Home Theater groups from Berkline (after attending Market in High Point, NC)


rsh
10-09-07, 02:09 PM
Folks,

Here is my report from the Market in High Point, NC where I spent some time in the Berkline show room. Please understand that I am only sharing my opinion here…

First, some of the current groups 073, 194, 45009 and 45010 are being discontinued. You can still order them until end of this year, but after that they are going to be dropped.

Here is a little review of new groups I was able to see and try at the market.

Domestic groups (I was able to take some pictures)


45015
http://www.rtheaters.com/berkline/market/45015.jpg

This group has C-MAX bucket cushion with about 43” high back. While I am not a big fan of rounded armrests, this chair felt quite comfortable, and I liked it. These are about the same width as the 090s in straight configuration, but the curved configuration they are quite wider. I am not sure why the Berkline decided to make such wide wedges, but they did.



45016
http://www.rtheaters.com/berkline/market/45016.jpg

This group also has C-MAX bucket cushion with about 42” high back. The back was quite comfortable, and the seat was soft and cushy. It has a puffy look, and if you are after a firmer seating this may not be the best chair. But if you like soft seating with very cushy feel to it, this is a great recliner. It was extremely comfortable. As a bonus, it comes with two level storage compartments in the armrests. The articulated back provides a nice head support.



45018
http://www.rtheaters.com/berkline/market/45018.jpg

I did not like this one at all. The armrests were too high; the back did not feel comfortable and did not provide me with a great head support. Similarly to the 45013 these come with the blue rope light under the chair. The light can be controlled by the switch installed on the armrest of one of the chairs.

The Berkline is still working on the switch for the lighted cup holder. They told me it would be in production by next spring. Each cup holder will have its own on/off button that will control the light.


Non-domestic groups:

13134
http://www.rtheaters.com/berkline/market/13134.jpg

This one did not do anything for me at all. It is basically the 13084 with the slightly modified shape of the back. I did not like the 13084, and I did not like the 13134 either. It felt awkward and not comfortable at all.



13174
http://www.rtheaters.com/berkline/market/13174.jpg

This is basically the 090. It did not seat as quite well as the 090, but it was OK for me. It is still a good chair with very attractive pricing. It was much better than 13134 IMHO. I guess the reason this group was just OK for me was the fact that these were manual recliners, and I personally not a big fan of Leggett and Platt mechanism. The power recline version would have been much, much better.

13175
http://www.rtheaters.com/berkline/market/13175.jpg

This would be my pick out of all new groups this time. The similar back to the 078s was extremely comfortable. These chairs are great alternative to small 088s or 086s. It has similar (just slightly wider) footprint, but with the 42” high back. The only thing I did not like – it was a comfort rest and not a chaise design. Nevertheless it sat very well. It had great head support especially in the reclining position, and it felt right. The power recline was perfect and the controls were on the sides of the armrests, and that is what I personally prefer.


What I did like on non-domestic groups:
1. They use quite nice mid grade leather similar to 7077 (group 3 leather). I was actually surprised how well it felt.
2. They have power recline option, which is A MUST, and work as well as on their domestic groups (they use same components).
3. These chairs will be quite affordable.

What I did not like on non-domestic groups:

1. They use Leggett and Platt mechanism, and it is hard to change the positions on the manual recliners. Thank God they have a power recline option!!!
2. Most of the recliners (except for the 13175) were nothing special. I either did not like them (13084, 13134) or they were just OK (13174).
3. None of the non-domestic groups have C-MAX cushion (not a deal breaker).

Samaritano
10-09-07, 03:58 PM
What was the width of a 3 chair straight configuration of the 13175? They look really nice.

rsh
10-09-07, 04:03 PM
Samaritano,

I do not have the schematics yet, and the ones that where on the floor were curved.

I measued them and they were 98". By my calculation, the straight row of three should be around 93-95", but do not hold me to these numbers...

Samaritano
10-09-07, 08:06 PM
Thanks Roman... My seat riser is 95" wide. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. :D

rsh
10-09-07, 08:08 PM
Edgar,

You will be fine with this riser size.

Hughmc
10-10-07, 04:49 AM
Roman, you are going to be hearing from me in the next few days. I was leaning towards the 86/or 88 in a 4 chair config to minimize width to 115 inches or even 120 if possible. I have spoken to you on the phone several times before, but keep referencing your site and AVS to get the best possible chairs for my setup, hence the time delay. I have about 156 inches in width to work with and would like to have 20 inches each side to walk around. I like the straight config, but would prefer the curved if possible. Although the curved take up a 5 inches more width on the curved config of the 86/88, they actually take up the same or less space as you move toward the front of the two outside chairs since they curve in, don't they? Meaning, while they have a bigger footprint on each rear corner, they have equal to or less width than the straight at the front outside corners since they angle in? I like the 13175 as well and like your recommendation. What is the difference between comfort rest and chaise design?

rsh
10-10-07, 08:55 AM
Hughmc,

The chaise has continues surface between the seating area and the footrest. The comfort rest have two separate plates for the footrest and leg support.

Tweakophyte
10-11-07, 08:34 AM
Hi-

Thanks for the pics and the post.
What is the C-Max seating? Is it on the 090s?

Thanks,

rsh
10-11-07, 08:52 AM
The C-MAX cushion has a combination of high-density foam layer surrounded by a very soft layer of foam and fiber wrap. It gives a firmer feel and at the same time stays soft and comfortable.

The 090 and other based on the 090s seats do not have it.

The groups that do have the C-MAX cushion are:

083, 45001, 45002, 45004, 45010, 45012, 45013, 45014

As I mentioned the difference is very subtle, and I would take a comfort and design of some groups over C-MAX cushion any day.

Tweakophyte
10-20-07, 10:58 AM
Hi-

One more... when would the 13175 be available?

Thanks,

rsh
10-20-07, 11:00 AM
soon :)

Tweakophyte
10-20-07, 11:18 AM
...and the buttons are not buried!

rsh
10-20-07, 12:51 PM
Nope, they are on the sides of the armrests, similarly to the way they are done on the 090s.

FYI: There are no loveseat options on the 13174 or 13175 groups, only 3 or 4 straight across or curved configurations.

One more... when would the 13175 be available?

Correction to my previous post - relatively soon... :)

elmalloc
10-20-07, 01:13 PM
sexy!

Tweakophyte
10-20-07, 02:23 PM
Did the hump in the arm make the armrest too tall on the 13175?

Now I see no love seat config... :(

rsh
10-20-07, 02:25 PM
No, I actually found it very comfortable. As I said the 13175 was my favorite from what I tried there this time.

gshipley
10-21-07, 09:16 AM
I live somewhat close to high point and was wondering if anyone can go visit the showroom or do you have to be a dealer?

rsh
10-21-07, 09:20 AM
The show room is only open during the Market, and yes you have to be a registered dealer.

Tweakophyte
10-21-07, 09:53 AM
Nope, they are on the sides of the armrests, similarly to the way they are done on the 090s.

FYI: There are no loveseat options on the 13474 or 13475 groups, only 3 or 4 straight across or curved configurations.



Correction to my previous post - relatively soon... :)

Did you mean to say 13174 and 13175 (i.e. the last two in the pics above)?

Thanks,

rsh
10-21-07, 11:17 AM
Did you mean to say 13174 and 13175 (i.e. the last two in the pics above)?
Yes, sorry for the typo, I have corrected it.

Samaritano
10-22-07, 09:10 PM
Nope, they are on the sides of the armrests, similarly to the way they are done on the 090s.

FYI: There are no loveseat options on the 13174 or 13175 groups, only 3 or 4 straight across or curved configurations.



Correction to my previous post - relatively soon... :)

Roman.
How long till you get the spec sheet on the 13175?
I need dimensions. :)

rsh
10-22-07, 09:28 PM
All I have is dimensions per piece:

13174
two arm recliner IOI 3900 W39 D39 H41
one arm recliner OI 5200 W32 D39 H41
LF racliner w/RF console IOV 5340 W43 D37 H41
RF console recliner OV 5440 W37 D39 H41

13175
two arm recliner IOI 3900 W35 D37 H40
one arm recliner OI 5200 W30 D37 H40
LF racliner w/RF console IOV 5340 W37 D37 H40
RF console recliner OV 5440 W33 D37 H40

You can do the math from here...

Hope it helps.

Samaritano
10-23-07, 01:20 AM
Thanks Roman. It did helped a lot.

Tweakophyte
10-23-07, 09:05 AM
All I have is dimensions per piece:

13175
two arm recliner IOI 3900 W35 D37 H40
one arm recliner OI 5200 W30 D37 H40
LF racliner w/RF console IOV 5340 W37 D37 H40
RF console recliner OV 5440 W33 D37 H40

You can do the math from here...

Hope it helps.
So... IOIOIOIOI = 35+30+30+30 = 125
and
IOVOVOVOI = 37+33+33+33 = 136

Can you do this?
IOVOIOVOI = 37+30+33+30 = 130

rsh
10-23-07, 09:12 AM
Tweakophyte,

The first one is correct, the second one is not.

IOVOVOVOI - > 37 + 33 + 33 + 30 = 133", but in reality it would be less than that because of the curvuture. I do not have exact number, but my guess it would be around 129" - 130".

No, the confirugation IOVOIOVOI is not available.

Samaritano
11-30-07, 12:08 AM
All I have is dimensions per piece:

13174
two arm recliner IOI 3900 W39 D39 H41
one arm recliner OI 5200 W32 D39 H41
LF racliner w/RF console IOV 5340 W43 D37 H41
RF console recliner OV 5440 W37 D39 H41

13175
two arm recliner IOI 3900 W35 D37 H40
one arm recliner OI 5200 W30 D37 H40
LF racliner w/RF console IOV 5340 W37 D37 H40
RF console recliner OV 5440 W33 D37 H40

You can do the math from here...

Hope it helps.

Roman. I was going to order the 13175 base on these dimensions that you gave me but now, according to the specs sheet on your website, three seat configuration will come out to 103.5" wide. Which info is correct?

rsh
11-30-07, 08:26 AM
Edgar,

The specs on my site are from Berkline repository. I have not looked at them after I put it on my website - my bad. I believe they are wrong for the 13175.

If you look carefully - they do not make much of a sense:

According to these specs the straight armrest should be 4.5", and I know for sure it is not. Even if it was, it makes the seat width to be 28.5" which is definitely not the case. These specs are bogus. I will have to talk to Berkline about that.

Refer to the dimensions I provided in this thread.

From what I measured at the Market 3 seat curved configuration was about 97".

Samaritano
11-30-07, 08:46 PM
Thanks Roman for the update...

Is today the last day of the PowerBuy?

rsh
11-30-07, 10:14 PM
The last day would be Sunday...