http://www.hidefpreview.com/Transformers.html

Cool.

Looks like the DD+ audio track got a score which is on par with many top notch lossless PCM and TrueHD tracks on other discs. :)

...was this written by an 8 year old? Talk about desperation in getting a review out before anyone else.

"The sound was clear."

"The picture was good."

"The commentary was interesting."

Oh.

...was this written by an 8 year old? Talk about desperation in getting a review out before anyone else.

"The sound was clear."

"The picture was good."

"The commentary was interesting."

Oh.

i really wish i can be a disc reviewer -.- i bet my A papers in college translate pretty well into reviews.

What interested me about the review was the 4/5 on the audio rating. A lot of people had dismissed this title because of the use of a DD+ and not TrueHD.

There is a faint appearance of grain and softness in the darker scenes towards the end of the film, however this phenomenon seems to be present in most HDM releases and really is not a distraction.
Did he not see the film in the theater? The film was buzzing with noise in the low light shots, this was how the film actually was in the theater.

This was the best transfer for paramount? Shouldn't that read this is the best transfer FROM paramount? CRAPPY REVIEW, USELESS..

...was this written by an 8 year old? Talk about desperation in getting a review out before anyone else.

"The sound was clear."

"The picture was good."

"The commentary was interesting."

Oh.


That was a "nice" review.

...was this written by an 8 year old? Talk about desperation in getting a review out before anyone else.

"The sound was clear."

"The picture was good."

"The commentary was interesting."

Oh.

First review gets all the hits :)

...was this written by an 8 year old? Talk about desperation in getting a review out before anyone else.

"The sound was clear."

"The picture was good."

"The commentary was interesting."

Oh.

Pretty sure Beatboy77 is older than eight.

...was this written by an 8 year old? Talk about desperation in getting a review out before anyone else.

"The sound was clear."

"The picture was good."

"The commentary was interesting."

Oh.


Yes, the 8 year old BluRay shill himself.

"To me, this is the best video transfer I have seen [from] Paramount on HD-DVD thus far."

Sounds like awesome PQ, if it's better than MI:III that would rock :eek:

This review looks like it was grabbed out of the Amazon.com comments section or it was copy/pasted of gamefaqs.com.

Yeah, great review Bb77 :rolleyes:

MI:III and Flags of Our Fathers are some the BEST looking titles out there. If he claims that this is the best looking title yet from Paramount, then HOT DAMN!!!

"To me, this is the best video transfer I have seen [from] Paramount on HD-DVD thus far."

Sounds like awesome PQ, if it's better than MI:III that would rock :eek:
and yet it only gets a 4.25

Write a shorter review please.

Guys,

Let's learn to digest the hard fact that DD+ @ 1.5 Mbps is not going to sound extremely good like DTHD / LPCM 5.1 / DTS HD MA.

Universal and Paramount are showing the middle finger to all HD fans (NOT FANBOYS) by giving a slim DD+ track on it's blockbuster titles.

I am sure Paramount will come with a superbit version of Transformers with LOSSLESS audio.

Thanks for the review. Let me refrain from buying Transformers on HD DVD for time-being. May be I will pick-up if they drop the price to 23.95 or below.

LOL Beatboy just can't seem to get a break/slack.

Guys,

Let's learn to digest the hard fact that DD+ @ 1.5 Mbps is not going to sound extremely good like DTHD / LPCM 5.1 / DTS HD MA.

Universal and Paramount are showing the middle finger to all HD fans (NOT FANBOYS) by giving a slim DD+ track on it's blockbuster titles.

I am sure Paramount will come with a superbit version of Transformers with LOSSLESS audio.

Thanks for the review. Let me refrain from buying Transformers on HD DVD for time-being. May be I will pick-up if they drop the price to 23.95 or below.

DD+ more often than not sounds incredible. Take off the spec specs :)

Guys,

Let's learn to digest the hard fact that DD+ @ 1.5 Mbps is not going to sound extremely good like DTHD / LPCM 5.1 / DTS HD MA.


Well, I've heard some extremely good 1.5 Mbps DD+ tracks. Hot Fuzz, King Kong, We Were Soldiers, The Bourne Identity, and Serenity immediately come to mind. I may use a $5,000+ audio system, but I'm not a snob who shuns an excellent audio track because of the way it's encoded.

I've listened to over 200 sound tracks on both formats combined, and I put a couple of DD+ tracks in my top ten. It's the audio mix that matters most.

Thanks for the link. Sounds like an amazing HD DVD. PQ is 4.5/5 - that's nice.

Im sorry but the reviews at that site are just plain horrible. I hate to say it but it does sound like an 8 year old wrote it. :eek:

Lossless is simply not a deal-breaker for me anymore. Based on my own personal listening, the only considerable improvement between 1.5mbps and lossless is dynamic range. A heightened range for scenes such as the "pool stomp" during the Autobot arrival would certainly be awesome, but I am confident that the DD+ track will maintain the original clarity of the film's subtle effects, such as the "mouth noise" layered under Prime's dialogues.

Guys,

Let's learn to digest the hard fact that DD+ @ 1.5 Mbps is not going to sound extremely good like DTHD / LPCM 5.1 / DTS HD MA.

I believe FUD was the word you were looking for not fact. Way to go with the blanket statements, DD+ can and often does sound great.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Igans316 the guy who posted the thread begging Blu-ray fans not to buy Transformers on HD DVD because if it gets high sales it might be bad for Blu?

I'm not sure because the thread seems to have mysteriously vanished.

Well, I've heard some extremely good 1.5 Mbps DD+ tracks. Hot Fuzz, King Kong, We Were Soldiers, The Bourne Identity, and Serenity immediately come to mind. I may use a $5,000+ audio system, but I'm not a snob who shuns an excellent audio track because of the way it's encoded.

I've listened to over 200 sound tracks on both formats combined, and I put a couple of DD+ tracks in my top ten. It's the audio mix that matters most.

Agreed. King Kong and Hot Fuzz are still 2 of my favorite from either format.

In any case, not buying Transformers on HD DVD merely because it doesn't have Lossless is like kicking Jessica Alba out of bed because she farted.

The thing that will bother me is I know these "reviewers" will probably never give this title a perfect audio score just because it lacks TrueHD even if it really deserves a top notch rating. Either way this disc will look and sound perfect ;) and I can't wait!!

I still think the DD+ on CoM is the best.

I saw an add for this on one of the HD channels and it looks crystal clear. I wonder why the Pic didn't get a 5/5. There's only a few films that don't have grain everywhere in low ligt.

In theaters I thought this was kind of front heavy for a Bay film. I wonder what the full review will say.

like kicking Jessica Alba out of bed because she farted.
You would be the first person ever to get a decent performance out of her.:p

Im sorry but the reviews at that site are just plain horrible. I hate to say it but it does sound like an 8 year old wrote it. :eek:

Id hardly call that a review. I'm sure Dave V has a review comeing out today (one that won't make your eyes bleed) ;)

In any case, not buying Transformers on HD DVD merely because it doesn't have Lossless is like kicking Jessica Alba out of bed because she farted.

Well what did she have for dinner? I could make a case for that. :)

I still think the DD+ on CoM is the best.

I saw an add for this on one of the HD channels and it looks crystal clear. I wonder why the Pic didn't get a 5/5. There's only a few films that don't have grain everywhere in low ligt.

In theaters I thought this was kind of front heavy for a Bay film. I wonder what the full review will say.

Yes I agree with you on Children of men being one of the best sounding movies available thats DD+. Let's not forget that some of the best sounding movies happen to be DD+ like MI3 (one of my favorite movies) World trade center, Hot fuzz, King kong, all fast and furious films, and even Hulk :eek: The list goes on....

Beatboy specializes in "Mini Reviews":rolleyes:

He should do like Ebert and give it a thumbs up or down.

Yes we could have certainly been given a somewhat in depth review. But if this is indeed the best yet by Paramount then we are all in for a treat, as I have been impressed with their releases the most overall.

The thing that will bother me is I know these "reviewers" will probably never give this title a perfect audio score just because it lacks TrueHD even if it really deserves a top notch rating. Either way this disc will look and sound perfect ;) and I can't wait!!

High Definition movies should all have High Definition audio plain and simple. There should be no excuse not to have it if and when it exists. Especially on a blockbuster title like this. You can bet your behind if Paramount was releasing this on Blu-Ray, there would be no issue's with making the decision whether or not to have HD audio on it...

Guys,
Let's learn to digest the hard fact that DD+ @ 1.5 Mbps is not going to sound extremely good like DTHD / LPCM 5.1 / DTS HD MA..
Yes guys, tut tut.
I don't know quite how to put this but blow it out your a$$ comes to mind.:D
Universal and Paramount are showing the middle finger to all HD fans (NOT FANBOYS) by giving a slim DD+ track on it's blockbuster titles. .So if this is directed at real fans, I guess it does not apply to you.
I am sure Paramount will come with a superbit version of Transformers with LOSSLESS audio..
I was thinking the same thing. Uncanny!
Thanks for the review. Let me refrain from buying Transformers on HD DVD for time-being. May be I will pick-up if they drop the price to 23.95 or below.just speaking for myself, I'm on tenterhooks waiting for your decision.

Personally, I think you guys are a little too mean to Josh at times, but in this case I have to agree that this review is LAME.

High Definition movies should all have High Definition audio plain and simple. There should be no excuse not to have it if and when it exists. Especially on a blockbuster title like this. You can bet your behind if Paramount was releasing this on Blu-Ray, there would be no issue's with making the decision whether or not to have HD audio on it...

OK... but with Paramounts track record I'm pretty sure this would have been the same two disc set but instead of DD+ Blu Ray would have enjoyed a nice DD track :D

High Definition movies should all have High Definition audio plain and simple. There should be no excuse not to have it if and when it exists. Especially on a blockbuster title like this. You can bet your behind if Paramount was releasing this on Blu-Ray, there would be no issue's with making the decision whether or not to have HD audio on it...

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=182

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=334

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=57

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=118

Some of the BLU Ray guys are just too damn childish we know you are mad Transformers is not coming out on Blu Ray get over it. I guarantee if it was it would have the same audio as the HD DVD just like Shooter and Disturbia had the same audio on both formats so stop the bit$hin girls.

As far as AQ goes, I listened using the Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) option and it sounded excellent.

...what other English options were available again?

"Transformers is gonna be AWESOME on Blu-ray!!! I can't wait!! This will be the Hi-Def release of the year!!!!...Paramount has gone HD DVD exclusive??...Transformers will be HD DVD only???.... Well it's not really such a good movie anyway. It will have a low bitrate so it probably won't look so great. No Lossless audio? HD DVD can have Transformers...what a piece of crap..."

and yet it only gets a 4.25

What do you expect? It is Beatboy77's website. :rolleyes:

http://www.hidefpreview.com/Transformers.html

This is Beatboy77's website.
So I would assume that the PQ, AQ, and Special Features are all Perfect 5 Stars.;)

LOL Beatboy just can't seem to get a break/slack.

When has he earned one? It's hilarious to see people pandering to him when he brings good news for "their side," then go back to mocking when it's over. People need to be consistent.

Not to sound jaded, but I would love to see him post pictures of the case and disc tonight. Where did he get the disc? I spoke with the PR rep for Paramount today, and these discs weren't shipped from DHL until TODAY for delivery TOMORROW.

Josh..give us some pictures of the case and disc tonight please.

In any case, not buying Transformers on HD DVD merely because it doesn't have Lossless is like kicking Jessica Alba out of bed because she farted.

But did she fart in DD+ or TrueHD?

Not to sound jaded, but I would love to see him post pictures of the case and disc tonight. Where did he get the disc? I spoke with the PR rep for Paramount today, and these discs weren't shipped from DHL until TODAY for delivery TOMORROW.

Josh..give us some pictures of the case and disc tonight please.

Good question, he usually flunts the photos.;)

ya.............no way in hell im even gonna read this review. he could give it 5/5, his opinion holds no weight. i dont even know why people give him a platform anymore. at least the rumor thread became a place to dump most of his bs

I would like to hear Jessica Alba fart in TrueHD and not in DD+ !!!
Come on guys. Grow up. Demand Uni & Paramount to give us LOSSLESS audio tracks so that we don't double dip on their titles.

Not that I think that the transfer is going to be anything but spectacular, but the review became worthless as soon as it described the "film grain" in a movie that was shot entirely digital. I know that artificial grain can be added (300), but I noticed none of this in the theater.

I would like to hear Jessica Alba fart in TrueHD and not in DD+ !!!
Come on guys. Grow up. Demand Uni & Paramount to give us LOSSLESS audio tracks so that we don't double dip on their titles.



Originally Posted by Kilgore
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Igans316 the guy who posted the thread begging Blu-ray fans not to buy Transformers on HD DVD because if it gets high sales it might be bad for Blu?

I'm not sure because the thread seems to have mysteriously vanished.
I read that thread:rolleyes:

Guys,

Let's learn to digest the hard fact that DD+ @ 1.5 Mbps is not going to sound extremely good like DTHD / LPCM 5.1 / DTS HD MA.

Universal and Paramount are showing the middle finger to all HD fans (NOT FANBOYS) by giving a slim DD+ track on it's blockbuster titles.

I am sure Paramount will come with a superbit version of Transformers with LOSSLESS audio.

Thanks for the review. Let me refrain from buying Transformers on HD DVD for time-being. May be I will pick-up if they drop the price to 23.95 or below.

I would like to hear Jessica Alba fart in TrueHD and not in DD+ !!!
Come on guys. Grow up. Demand Uni & Paramount to give us LOSSLESS audio tracks so that we don't double dip on their titles.
Looking at your post history id advice you to take a large spoon of that ;)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Igans316 the guy who posted the thread begging Blu-ray fans not to buy Transformers on HD DVD because if it gets high sales it might be bad for Blu?

I'm not sure because the thread seems to have mysteriously vanished.

Well thats just sad:( Fanboys at there worst.

Not to sound jaded, but I would love to see him post pictures of the case and disc tonight. Where did he get the disc? I spoke with the PR rep for Paramount today, and these discs weren't shipped from DHL until TODAY for delivery TOMORROW.

Josh..give us some pictures of the case and disc tonight please.

that has to be frustrating for other reviewers. I am sure being the first to review something, especially big tittles has its advantages to site traffic etc. If someone were to "fake" review it woud almost be like "stealing" the traffic. Not saying this is what happened here becuase there is no proof, but I can certainly see this happening expecially with highly anticipated tittles.

Anything you can do as a reviewer? Does Paramount make any promises to reviewers to send them out the same time to everyone to be fair?

I would like to hear Jessica Alba fart in TrueHD and not in DD+ !!!
Come on guys. Grow up. Demand Uni & Paramount to give us LOSSLESS audio tracks so that we don't double dip on their titles.

do you realize people have access to your post history? :p

lol

Not to sound jaded, but I would love to see him post pictures of the case and disc tonight. Where did he get the disc? I spoke with the PR rep for Paramount today, and these discs weren't shipped from DHL until TODAY for delivery TOMORROW.

Josh..give us some pictures of the case and disc tonight please.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

Id hardly call that a review. I'm sure Dave V has a review comeing out today (one that won't make your eyes bleed) ;)

True. I really like hometheaterspot's reviews. They tend to be more unbiased and I find myself agreeing with them more often than not.


I also wonder why there are no screen caps in any of BB77's reviews? I mean I could have written that review based on the fact that I saw it 5 times in the theaters and paid attention to the dark grainier scenes to see if they are gonna be present on the HD version. I remember alot from that film and there are certainly gonna be grainier moments than what he makes it sound like.hmmm...:rolleyes:

Pretty sure Beatboy77 is older than eight.
BB77 seems to have dragged kicking and screaming toward that 4.5 rating.

The movie is all on disc one right?

So all the extras are on the second 30GB disc.

So combined you have a 60GB HD DVD exclusive title that going sell mucho discs.

I guess the 30 GB maximum per disc is going to be a real issue then. :rolleyes: :D

Personally, I think you guys are a little too mean to Josh at times, but in this case I have to agree that this review is LAME. It certainly sounds like a political reporter writing a piece about the candidate from the other side winning.

Addresses the facts, but not written with a lot of enthusiasm.

Let's learn to digest the hard fact that DD+ @ 1.5 Mbps is not going to sound extremely good like DTHD / LPCM 5.1 / DTS HD MA.
I'm so tired of comments like this they just make me laugh now. I will not argue that DTHD / LPCM / DTS HD sound amazing but to say DD+ @ 1.5Mbps will not sound extremely good is just BS. For 10 years regular old DD was great on DVD for everyone but now an increase to 1.5 Mbps (which is much better then DVD) will not sound that good. Yes DTHD sounds better but, DD+ is no slouch. So, please give it a rest with the "if the studios do not give us lossless they are giving us the finger" attitude because it's not true. We could be stuck with the stupid VMD format that only offers good old DD.

Not to sound jaded, but I would love to see him post pictures of the case and disc tonight. Where did he get the disc? I spoke with the PR rep for Paramount today, and these discs weren't shipped from DHL until TODAY for delivery TOMORROW.

Josh..give us some pictures of the case and disc tonight please.Funny, I was thinking the same thing.
...obviously Penton-Man Fedexed him his personal copy that he got handed to him from in a manila envelope at back table of a Hollywood restaurant while he was dinning with Michael Bay's gardener after walking his coyotes and sending a bottle of scotch to the guard at the LA tennis club where ...

...oh heck you get the point....:rolleyes:

...obviously Penton-Man Fedexed him his personal copy that he got handed to him from in a manila envelope at back table of a Hollywood restaurant while he was dinning with Michael Bay's gardener after walking his coyotes and sending a bottle of scotch to the guard at the LA tennis club where ...

...oh heck you get the point....:rolleyes:

No no no. Beatboy needs no middlemen. He undoubtedly got it from Michael Bay himself. And all requests for verification of that fact can be directed to Michael Bay's people. Beatboy doesn't deign to provide verification, in the form of pictures of review copies, or anything else for that matter. He's above all that.

WOW, some of you guys are rediculous with the hasseling, though most take the reviews with a grain of salt considering the reviewer's apparent support for out opposing format, it's a little rediculous, those scores from him equal out to a pretty good score.

Question though, in the review it's stated it's the best title from Paramount yet, but he gave Flags of our Fathers a 5/5 for PQ I believe, maybe because it's also availible on BD? Maybe, which would make his bias more apparent, but I expect that really this films PQ is definatly a 5/5 for the majority.

What do you expect? It is Beatboy77's website. :rolleyes:

OMG.....is that ACTUALLY Beatboy?


Too funny.....

I wish I could have my old signature back......good times.

OMG.....is that ACTUALLY Beatboy?


Too funny.....

I wish I could have my old signature back......good times.

I was actually going to make a new post asking everyone to change their signatures to that one you used to use about "Transformers will end the war. - Beatboy77". It'd be so great if we really could get everyone on the HD DVD side of the forum to do it, just for one day. ;)

High Definition movies should all have High Definition audio plain and simple. There should be no excuse not to have it if and when it exists. Especially on a blockbuster title like this. You can bet your behind if Paramount was releasing this on Blu-Ray, there would be no issue's with making the decision whether or not to have HD audio on it...


As has been accurately pointed out ten thousand times, 1.5Mbps DD+ IS "High Definition audio plain and simple." I guess some people have difficulties with such simplistic concepts :rolleyes:!

I would like to hear Jessica Alba fart in TrueHD and not in DD+ !!!
Come on guys. Grow up. Demand Uni & Paramount to give us LOSSLESS audio tracks so that we don't double dip on their titles.

If you're going to heckle -- have you taken a close look at FOX's releases? Of course, we know THEY aren't thinking about double or triple dipping are they :)!

Not that I think that the transfer is going to be anything but spectacular, but the review became worthless as soon as it described the "film grain" in a movie that was shot entirely digital. I know that artificial grain can be added (300), but I noticed none of this in the theater.

I don't know if the entire movie was shot in digital but I noticed grain the first time I watched. I also noticed it on the second and third viewing. It was most obvious in the base attack and bumblebee/barricade fight.

Yes DTHD sounds better but, DD+ is no slouch.

Maybe DTHD would sound better while viewing the movie, maybe it wouldn't -- it's impossible to tell without the master. However, I do know that while viewing a movie, I don't take in anywhere near as much of the sound-field as I do when I'm just concentrating on the sound. Therefore, I personally would be in no hurry to presume I'd be able tell the two apart while being attentive to the on screen image (and being attentive to the on screen image is what film is all about.)

lol, the BeatBoy lynch mod is out in full force. Hilarious that one person can get some many fanatics riled up. All over such a petty thing as a shiny little disc.

Anything short of a perfect 10 and it is off with your head :eek:

Looks like lot of frustrated members are pounding on me.
Whatever you guys say, we have just been forced to accept a HI-DEFINITION DISC VOID OF LOSSLESS tracks on blockbuster titles by UNI + PARAMOUNT. DD+ 1.5 Mpbs should be fine but not sure if it would be fine enough. Personally I am not a huge fan of DD+ as the difference between legacy DD & DD+ is subtle.

lol, the BeatBoy lynch mod is out in full force. Hilarious that one person can get some many fanatics riled up. All over such a petty thing as a shiny little disc.

Anything short of a perfect 10 and it is off with your head :eek:

Over 11,000 posts -- are they all as shallow as this one? I just finished reading this thread and I didn't notice much complaint at all regarding his scoring. The real questions were focused on the overall content and the remarkably early access to an official copy.

Looks like lot of frustrated members are pounding on me.
Whatever you guys say, we have just been forced to accept a HI-DEFINITION DISC VOID OF LOSSLESS tracks on blockbuster titles by UNI + PARAMOUNT. DD+ 1.5 Mpbs should be fine but not sure if it would be fine enough. Personally I am not a huge fan of DD+ as the difference between legacy DD & DD+ is subtle.

Since you don't differentiate between low bitrate DD+ and highbitrate DD+, am I to suppose you aren't aware of the difference? That's hard to believe for someone who is supposedly so concerned about sound quality. I don't know what system you use to compare legacy 448Kbps DD to low bitrate 640Kbps DD+ (the max bitrate of DD on Blu-ray -- which clearly sounds better than DVD DD), but if you can't tell much difference between legacy DD and high-bitrate DD+, then you have a serious system or auditory problem, and talking about the desirability of lossless encoding isn't going to solve either.

No no no. Beatboy needs no middlemen. He undoubtedly got it from Michael Bay himself. And all requests for verification of that fact can be directed to Michael Bay's people. Beatboy doesn't deign to provide verification, in the form of pictures of review copies, or anything else for that matter. He's above all that.

You didn't know??? Beatboy does not get the movies from Michael Bay, Michael Bay gets his movies from Beatboy. Not only is he the messiah of HDM, but he is also the messiah of all media. What the Gods are to religion, Beatboy is to HDM. What the Bible/Koran/Torah are to faith, his one paragraph reviews are to HDM. The reason I don't post on Sundays is because I am too busy absorbing all that is Josh at his website.

Usually Beatboy post the pictures of the Disc and the Case.

He made an exception on this one?

Prove me wrong?

I still don't have mine. Dammit.

Usually Beatboy post the pictures of the Disc and the Case.

He made an exception on this one?

Prove me wrong?

I still don't have mine. Dammit.

Did he reviewd the DVD??:confused: poor Bb77 :o

:D

I'd watch all the bb digs - he's protected from high above here, can do no wrong (and I think he knows it), nearly anything negative about him or his "reviews" can get your post deleted in a snap and the mods won't lose a seconds sleep over it, even with lame, bogus\rumor junk and the such - other users will call him out on it to simply give him his medicine for it and THEY'LL get b!tc# slapped, not him, best just to leave him be, strange place sometimes....anyway, that said, I don't see this as a rush job to be "first" with a review, ALL of his "reviews" are like this are they not? Either way, regardless of him sometimes pimping his own reviews here, and even if they were WELL written, I'd still MUCH prefer reading any other HD DVD reviews or takes on the war besides his - he's just PROVEN himself to be too biased to ever take seriously...

You guys arent seriously treating this as a "review", from a known HD DVD detractor? Might as well have been written by Sony themselves. And as usual the BR trolls have turned up to tell us that "DD+ isnt Hidef sound". There will be proper reviews soon enough and you will be able to judge for yourselves next Tuesday.

Lots of sour grapes in this thread from the Blu side, a few still riding the lossless issue. Whatever makes the Paramount pimp-smack easier I guess.

Do I think BB77 really has a copy? No, for the same reasons many have stated.

I would like to hear Jessica Alba fart in TrueHD and not in DD+ !!!
Come on guys. Grow up. Demand Uni & Paramount to give us LOSSLESS audio tracks so that we don't double dip on their titles.

I agree. There is no reason not to demand lossless audio on these discs at this juncture. However, Blu-boys should also demand that studios not skimp on extras (ala Fox). There is no reason why they couldn't include all the special features from their SD DVD counterpart for releases like Robocop and Top Gun (I know Paramount).

High Definition movies should all have High Definition audio plain and simple. There should be no excuse not to have it if and when it exists. Especially on a blockbuster title like this. You can bet your behind if Paramount was releasing this on Blu-Ray, there would be no issue's with making the decision whether or not to have HD audio on it...

But it's not so go cry to mommy instead.

As has been accurately pointed out ten thousand times, 1.5Mbps DD+ IS "High Definition audio plain and simple." I guess some people have difficulties with such simplistic concepts :rolleyes:!

I agree. However, inclusion of lossless audio track would have been nice and would have deprived the Blu-critics with one of their talking points.

Not to sound jaded, but I would love to see him post pictures of the case and disc tonight. Where did he get the disc? I spoke with the PR rep for Paramount today, and these discs weren't shipped from DHL until TODAY for delivery TOMORROW.

Josh..give us some pictures of the case and disc tonight please.


I'll bet he got it the same place he got T2...

Hey guys.. Justin and myself are working on our Transformers review, which pending the arrival of the disc today (rumored), we'll get it up tonight.

Keep checking :)

I seriously can't wait until mine arrives Monday or Tuesday.The review is about what I expected it to be, but I am guessing the others that are forthcoming might be a little more positive.

I also can't wait to see the sales figures after a week or two.Seems to me it might be a bad few weeks for BRD.As for the BlueRay purists actively trying to rip apart this HD DVD, did it ever occur to anyone that they are only doing this to try and make themselves feel better considerign they are SOL on a BRD version.It's all nothing more than nonsense from what equals nothing more than a bunch of people sore because they are being left out.Best just ignore them,the Blue Ray forum and just enjoy the thrill of the Transformers HD DVD.

Movie played good. Movie played real good. It was like, i was looking through a window.. I'm not real sure what to do with my hands right now..

Movie played good. Movie played real good. It was like, i was looking through a window.. I'm not real sure what to do with my hands right now..

:eek:

Has anyone read any of the other reviews on that site? The BD reviews rarely get more than 4 -5 sentences and are rated 5/5 for AQ and PQ. Look at Casino Royale!!http://www.hidefpreview.com/Casino%20Royal.html

man...you guys are really ripping this Josh guy apart! I posted a couple of pics last night in another thread...here it is again:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x227/rc8rc8/PA120020.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x227/rc8rc8/PA120021.jpg

I also posted some of my comments (not meant to be a review!). And here that is again:

I pretty much agree with Josh's review. I would like to add to his comments about the grain in the darker scenes - I very specifically remember I saw the same thing in the theatre. Most noticable I believe is the night scene where bumble bee first transforms and reveals himself in the junkyard. I believe this transfer merely mimics the original. Just absolutely stunning. I remember in the theatre that all the details in the bots were just so overwhelming on the screen that it became a bit of a blur to me. But watching this on my home setup, all mechanical details and transformations were extremely sharp. All robotic detailing simply stood out. I am still in awe thinking how much computing and man power it took to have done that.

As for AQ...simply put, the DD+ rocked. Again, I agree with Josh's comments. I hate to complain...but I think Vendetta and the Matrix set is SLIGHTLY more detailed in the sound department. Of course...with TrueHD. But, it can all just be in my head

Haven't been through all the extras yet, but I think they are all in HD.

I can be a little more specific if you guys want...but that will take some time.

Guys,

Let's learn to digest the hard fact that DD+ @ 1.5 Mbps is not going to sound extremely good like DTHD / LPCM 5.1 / DTS HD MA.

Universal and Paramount are showing the middle finger to all HD fans (NOT FANBOYS) by giving a slim DD+ track on it's blockbuster titles.

I am sure Paramount will come with a superbit version of Transformers with LOSSLESS audio.

Thanks for the review. Let me refrain from buying Transformers on HD DVD for time-being. May be I will pick-up if they drop the price to 23.95 or below.

I disagree with your 'Absolute' statement above about DD+ Even sound engineers on here, who encode the tracks disagree with that statement. Done right, DD+ tracks have proven to be essentially as good as a TrueHD track, the differences inaudible to the normal human ear. Now I know some of you have Superhuman hearing so that explains most of the I Hate DD+ comments.

But, DD+ sounds incrdible, & I have never been able to discern any real differences, neither has anyone who has sat in my theater. It's just bunk. But G.. forbid the spec's actually mean very little.

Over 11,000 posts -- are they all as shallow as this one? FYI.
Yes

DD+ 1.5 Mpbs should be fine but not sure if it would be fine enough. Personally I am not a huge fan of DD+ as the difference between legacy DD & DD+ is subtle.
thats because on bluray DD+ is limited to 640 K on 5.1 soundtracks, so it is actually o ly DD. but 1.5 mbps DD+ is miles apart from DD and has sounded incredible on many hd dvd releases to date. i look forward to mine very much.

Personally I'd take DD+ 1.5 over discs that can't play in my 3 month old player :D

Personally I'd take DD+ 1.5 over discs that can't play in my 3 month old player :D

If I remember correctly hddvd also required updates to play certain movies also.

Not that I think that the transfer is going to be anything but spectacular, but the review became worthless as soon as it described the "film grain" in a movie that was shot entirely digital. I know that artificial grain can be added (300), but I noticed none of this in the theater.
Just to clarify, the movie was shot entirely in analog, aka film. They used 2.40:1 anamorphic mostly, as well as some super 35. Then a 2k digital intermediate was made, but some scenes were scanned at 4k and 6k for enlargements and additional detail.

BB77 seems to have dragged kicking and screaming toward that 4.5 rating.

The movie is all on disc one right?

So all the extras are on the second 30GB disc.

So combined you have a 60GB HD DVD exclusive title that going sell mucho discs.

I guess the 30 GB maximum per disc is going to be a real issue then. :rolleyes: :D

And more irony? ...Spiderman 3 is on TWO (yep, two, count 'em) discs. The movie on a 50 GB, and the extras on a 25 GB.

Too funny.

Without seeing the Spidey 3 cover, I could still say it wins that battle...the Transformers case is so bland, even he might have to buy this HD DVD. ;) :D

Hope somebody makes some custom artwork for Transformers, STAT! :)

Just to clarify, the movie was shot entirely in analog, aka film. They used 2.40:1 anamorphic mostly, as well as some super 35. Then a 2k digital intermediate was made, but some scenes were scanned at 4k and 6k for enlargements and additional detail.

This was NOT scanned at 2k. All new films are scanned at 4k for a DI. As for the effects scanned in at 6k, i'm thinkint 6-8k (as Blade Runner was).

I'll bet he got it the same place he got T2...


Was that him? I remember that T2 fake review from last year...

Guys,

Let's learn to digest the hard fact that DD+ @ 1.5 Mbps is not going to sound extremely good like DTHD / LPCM 5.1 / DTS HD MA.

Universal and Paramount are showing the middle finger to all HD fans (NOT FANBOYS) by giving a slim DD+ track on it's blockbuster titles.


Posted by you on 7-31-07:

I am using my telly for both video and audio. My telly has very good built-in speakers.

Not that I think that the transfer is going to be anything but spectacular, but the review became worthless as soon as it described the "film grain" in a movie that was shot entirely digital. I know that artificial grain can be added (300), but I noticed none of this in the theater.
I would have to respectfully disagree. This movie had tons of grain, especially in the darker/night scenes. I would assume that it would be present on the HD DVD as it was obviously present in the source material. Don't think it was shot in digital either.

man...you guys are really ripping this Josh guy apart! I posted a couple of pics last night in another thread...here it is again:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x227/rc8rc8/PA120020.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x227/rc8rc8/PA120021.jpg

I also posted some of my comments (not meant to be a review!). And here that is again:

I pretty much agree with Josh's review. I would like to add to his comments about the grain in the darker scenes - I very specifically remember I saw the same thing in the theatre. Most noticable I believe is the night scene where bumble bee first transforms and reveals himself in the junkyard. I believe this transfer merely mimics the original. Just absolutely stunning. I remember in the theatre that all the details in the bots were just so overwhelming on the screen that it became a bit of a blur to me. But watching this on my home setup, all mechanical details and transformations were extremely sharp. All robotic detailing simply stood out. I am still in awe thinking how much computing and man power it took to have done that.

As for AQ...simply put, the DD+ rocked. Again, I agree with Josh's comments. I hate to complain...but I think Vendetta and the Matrix set is SLIGHTLY more detailed in the sound department. Of course...with TrueHD. But, it can all just be in my head

Haven't been through all the extras yet, but I think they are all in HD.

I can be a little more specific if you guys want...but that will take some time.


I have NO DOUBT that you got it, which is why I wanted to know WHERE BB got his with pictures. He normally will post a picture of "look what I got" before he reviews it. I know for a FACT that these weren't sent out to any reviewers as of yet, but he seems to have gotten one early for some reason. Was this from retail? Where is the picture? Kris and I aren't the only two wondering if this is legit as well. I know of 4 other reviewers who are all thinking the exact same thing. Given Josh's posting history, this "review" is a bit inconsistent and there is doubt that he actually received a copy of the movie for this review, which is why I asked to see some pictures. I'm sure some have been leaked out at retail, but this seems to be a rare occurrence for this title, although the pictures above prove that you got them, but what about Josh's usual pictures?

but what about Josh's usual pictures?

Maybe his camera went on the fritz juuuuuust prior to THIS release? Yeah, thats gotta be it, lol! ;) :p :D

There is custom cover art posted here;

http://home.att.net/~bunnydojo3/TransformersBunnyDojo.jpg
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11783039#post11783039
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11736870#post11736870

I would have to respectfully disagree. This movie had tons of grain, especially in the darker/night scenes. I would assume that it would be present on the HD DVD as it was obviously present in the source material. Don't think it was shot in digital either.

Yup. When watching the film at the theater, I was thinking 2 things: I couldn't believe how grainy it was, and I couldn't wait to see how much of the grain was captured on HD DVD.

There is a custom cover posted here;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=765165&page=55

Wow, haven't visited that thread in a looong time, some GREAT stuff there, looks like I'll be nabbing some ink this afternoon - just saw 3 or 4 that I wan't - Transformers (goes without saying), Constantine looked nice, Last Samurai, and even the Thing looked sweet. =)

This was NOT scanned at 2k. All new films are scanned at 4k for a DI. As for the effects scanned in at 6k, i'm thinkint 6-8k (as Blade Runner was).

Hi Paul, just fyi, all films are not scanned at 4k. The information I gave comes from the article Rock 'Em, Sock 'Em Robots in American Cinematographer v.88 no.8 Aug. 2007:

...Colorist Stefan Sonnenfeld at Company 3 graded the production's dailies and worked with the filmmakers on the final digital grade. "We provided hi-def dailies that the filmmakers screened on professional HD and plasma monitors" says Sonnenfeld. "I've been working with Michael for a long time, and I was in constant contact with him and Mitch during the shoot. We had some low-light situations where they were pushing the envelope in terms of anamorphic photography, and there was occasional grain that we'd induced by brightening shots a bit, but it all went well with the material. Michael doesn't mind a little grain. He likes the realism." Bay adds, "Grain is more pronounced on an anamorphic shot because it's so much sharper than Super 35, but the final filmout takes a lot of the grain away and softens it up. The picture still looks amazing."

Sonnenfeld also provided ILM with color-corrected background plates as 2K DPX files. "We established a process on Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End that we wanted to repeat on Transformers," says the colorist. "We always corrected the plate shots before sending them to the effects house. Michael was in touch with ILM every day during post, and as we got further along he'd look at shots on our Barco DP-100 2K projector and make comments, approve or disapprove."

For the DI on Transformers, negatives were scanned on Arri scanners at 2K, and sometimes at 4K or 6K for shots requiring enlargements or additional detail. "We work with a da Vinci 2K Plus, Autodesk's Smoke, and Backdraft Conform," says Sonnenfeld...

I can only tell you that this is directly from a distributor, ie. higher up the food chain than any retailer. And yes this is legit :) I'm a bit surprised that you say NO reviewer has gotten this yet...I didn't know I was THAT early hehe...

And whats the big deal with the cover art...? Really...it sits in the shelf...

Wow, haven't visited that thread in a looong time, some GREAT stuff there, looks like I'll be nabbing some ink this afternoon - just saw 3 or 4 that I wan't - Transformers (goes without saying), Constantine looked nice, Last Samurai, and even the Thing looked sweet. =)Yea those guys are doing some great work. The new Constantine and The Thing covers rock!

Just read the review no need to mock the OP. What is wrong with you guys, you should be appreciative. Are you guys perfect? :rolleyes:

Without seeing the Spidey 3 cover, I could still say it wins that battle...the Transformers case is so bland, even he might have to buy this HD DVD. ;) :D

Hope somebody makes some custom artwork for Transformers, STAT! :)

I disagree. I think the simple cover is pretty cool. Many covers are very obnoxious. This is more simple with a cool factor kind of like The Beatles "White Album" or Metallica's "Black Album".

"To me, this is the best video transfer I have seen [from] Paramount on HD-DVD thus far."

Sounds like awesome PQ, if it's better than MI:III that would rock :eek:

Agreed! I don't believe Paramount will drop the ball with this release. They know it'll be a hot seller. I do wish that they included a Dolby TrueHD track on it but I'm stoked for this release regardless. Besides my son keeps asking me how much longer till we have it.

I can only tell you that this is directly from a distributor, ie. higher up the food chain than any retailer. And yes this is legit :) I'm a bit surprised that you say NO reviewer has gotten this yet...I didn't know I was THAT early hehe...

And whats the big deal with the cover art...? Really...it sits in the shelf...


No reviewer that I know of out of 6 of us, and there are a lot out there. My BS meter went off when a picture wasn't posted, which is his pattern in the past. Since he didn't post a picture last night, I think there is some credence to my skepticism. I wonder if he will post pictures today once he really receives it?

WOW! Just got through reading this thread. I see some people are requesting pictures of the discs, so here they are. I also got the Spider-Man Trilogy yesterday, so I pulled an allnighter watching/reviewing those as well.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9518/tf1qu5.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6576/tf2mk7.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7078/tf3fq2.jpg

~Josh

No reviewer that I know of out of 6 of us, and there are a lot out there. My BS meter went off when a picture wasn't posted, which is his pattern in the past. Since he didn't post a picture last night, I think there is some credence to my skepticism. I wonder if he will post pictures today once he really receives it?

On que, looks like Beatboy's mailman just came:D

Well, I do know that Spiderman was received yesterday by reviewers, but no one got Transformers.

Josh, How about a close up of the DHL packaging showing the shipping date? If you posted this last night I would have apologized right away, but since you posted this right now, there is a bit of doubt still in my mind. I believe you reside in the Colorado area if I remember and DHL has delivered as early as 9 am to my home before.

Typical BB lowball review of an HD-DVD. Put it in a blue box and he woulod have given it 5's all around. Love his new math too (4.5 + 4 + 5)/3=4.25. Come on, even if you say special features should not be equal weight with PQ & AQ the overall score should be higher than 4.25.

We received a bunch of movies yesterday and my wife and I pulled an allnighter watching some. We received:

Transformers
The Spider-Man Trilogy
Spider-Man 3
A Mighty Heart
Carlito's Way
Carlito's Way (Rise To Power)
Seed Of Chucky
Inside Man
Robocop
The Fly
Edward Scissorhands
From Hell

We watched Transformers, Spider-Man Trilogy and Carlito's Way. Hope to get through the rest this weekend or atleast most of them.

~Josh

Well, I do know that Spiderman was received yesterday by reviewers, but no one got Transformers.

Josh, How about a close up of the DHL packaging showing the shipping date? If you posted this last night I would have apologized right away, but since you posted this right now, there is a bit of doubt still in my mind. I believe you reside in the Colorado area if I remember and DHL has delivered as early as 9 am to my home before.

Sour grapes? Does it really matter? I'm no fan of Beatboy77 but this is getting ridiculous. Let it go already.

Well, I do know that Spiderman was received yesterday by reviewers, but no one got Transformers.

Josh, How about a close up of the DHL packaging showing the shipping date? If you posted this last night I would have apologized right away, but since you posted this right now, there is a bit of doubt still in my mind. I believe you reside in the Colorado area if I remember and DHL has delivered as early as 9 am to my home before.

These pictures were all taken today a little after 9AM today, probably when the package was delivered. I don't care anyway, since his review was lackluster anyway and doesn't hold any weight. I think most were correct in stating this was just a publicity path to get hits and probably some Amazon sales. Nevertheless this will be great a HD DVD!

Well, I do know that Spiderman was received yesterday by reviewers, but no one got Transformers.

Josh, How about a close up of the DHL packaging showing the shipping date? If you posted this last night I would have apologized right away, but since you posted this right now, there is a bit of doubt still in my mind. I believe you reside in the Colorado area if I remember and DHL has delivered as early as 9 am to my home before.

Dave,

I actually get most of my Paramount releases from Hazmat Media which usually uses Fedex Overnight. Oh how I wish DHL got here by 9:00 a.m.! Are you serious that you get DHL that early? They normally stop here around 5:00 p.m. as we are near the end of their route. Here is the picture you are requesting:


~Josh

I'm waiting for a real review.

Cheers,

Grant

Why would anyone send you anything to review? I've seen more in-depth discussion about PQ and AQ on Amazon.

Might want to block out your address on that pic Josh. Knowing some of the loonies on here, you might be getting all kinds of weird stuff in the mail.

Why would anyone send you anything to review? I've seen more in-depth discussion about PQ and AQ on Amazon.

lol

Id like to see rdjam start doing BR reviews ;)

Josh,

I agree with the address...I would take the picture down..you don't want any crazies sending you stuff!

It looks legit to me and you have my most sincere apology.

As for Fedex...I only get my Universal ones that way...eveyone else uses DHL and I get them the earliest of all my overnights (UPS, DHL and Fedex!).

Josh,

I agree with the address...I would take the picture down..you don't want any crazies sending you stuff!

It looks legit to me and you have my most sincere apology.

No problem Dave :) Paramount does sometimes use DHL for me, but they have not for the last few shipments. THe picture has now been removed.

~Josh

Josh,

One other thing...I did get A Mighty Heart yesterday via FedEx, but the last for numbers in my shipping label is 9162, yours is 8188. That is pretty close since these are generated by FedEx and they ship a ton of packages every day. I wonder how you were the only one to get it and other sites weren't?

We received a bunch of movies yesterday and my wife and I pulled an allnighter watching some. We received:

Transformers
The Spider-Man Trilogy
Spider-Man 3
A Mighty Heart
Carlito's Way
Carlito's Way (Rise To Power)
Seed Of Chucky
Inside Man
Robocop
The Fly
Edward Scissorhands
From Hell

We watched Transformers, Spider-Man Trilogy and Carlito's Way. Hope to get through the rest this weekend or atleast most of them.

~Josh

Does "A Might Heart" actually have a 5.1 PCM track? Or is it a TrueHD track?

TrueHD 5.1

Why would anyone send you anything to review? I've seen more in-depth discussion about PQ and AQ on Amazon.
+ a million. I'll never figure that one out.

Josh,

One other thing...I did get A Mighty Heart yesterday via FedEx, but the last for numbers in my shipping label is 9162, yours is 8188. That is pretty close since these are generated by FedEx and they ship a ton of packages every day. I wonder how you were the only one to get it and other sites weren't?

Not sure Dave. I get Fedex deliveries for most things now from Paramount, Universal and Sony.

~Josh

My apologies Josh, glad to see you actually got the disc in.

I got in the Spiderman Trilogy yesterday and A Mighty Heart, similar to Dave.

Dave,

I actually get most of my Paramount releases from Hazmat Media which usually uses Fedex Overnight. Oh how I wish DHL got here by 9:00 a.m.! Are you serious that you get DHL that early? They normally stop here around 5:00 p.m. as we are near the end of their route. Here is the picture you are requesting:


~Josh

Where is it?

thats because on bluray DD+ is limited to 640 K on 5.1 soundtracks, so it is actually o ly DD. but 1.5 mbps DD+ is miles apart from DD and has sounded incredible on many hd dvd releases to date. i look forward to mine very much.

Hey Rdjam, how about you reviewing BD titles and posting your reviews in the BD forum?

We'll see how liberal they are over there when an HD DVD supporter reviews their movies.;)

My apologies Josh, glad to see you actually got the disc in.

I got in the Spiderman Trilogy yesterday and A Mighty Heart, similar to Dave.

Guys, don't worry about appologies. Lets get this thread back on track! I understand when I post something about HD-DVD it will be controversial as it is known I favor Blu-ray, but this release of Transformers is a really nice presentation. Remember an overall score of 4.25/5 is a very good score.

~Josh

Where is it?

I removed the picture at the request of several members.

~Josh

Id like to see rdjam start doing BR reviews ;)

I would really like that.:D

Over 11,000 posts -- are they all as shallow as this one? I just finished reading this thread and I didn't notice much complaint at all regarding his scoring. The real questions were focused on the overall content and the remarkably early access to an official copy.

Well if you didn't see all the little attacks they must not have happened :rolleyes:

Hey Rdjam, how about you reviewing BD titles and posting your reviews in the BD forum?

We'll see how liberal they are over there when an HD DVD supporter reviews their movies.;)

At least beatboy has both formats. Rdjam seems to just spout off nonsense about BD without any firsthand knowledge. That said, I do see your point about bias.

to anyone who has transformers is everything on disc 2 in hd?

Why would anyone send you anything to review? I've seen more in-depth discussion about PQ and AQ on Amazon.

How do I get on those studio list for courtesy preview discs? Do I have to open up a review website or own press credentials?;)

At least beatboy has both formats. Rdjam seems to just spout off nonsense about BD without any firsthand knowledge. That said, I do see your point about bias.

I thought Rd had a Blu-ray player as well.

Guys, don't worry about appologies. Lets get this thread back on track! I understand when I post something about HD-DVD it will be controversial as it is known I favor Blu-ray, but this release of Transformers is a really nice presentation. Remember an overall score of 4.25/5 is a very good score.

~Josh


Who wants to bet the Spiderman 3 BD gets a higher rating from Josh? Anyone? ;)

At least beatboy has both formats. Rdjam seems to just spout off nonsense about BD without any firsthand knowledge. That said, I do see your point about bias.

Rdjam does not review BR movies and try to pass them off as unbiased reviews.

Ok, i'm picking up my copy after work today. I'm going to watch it this evening (i'll post photos, etc). I'll give a nice, brief, SOLID review on PQ/AQ.

TV is a calibrated 50" Pioneer Elite.

Keep you posted.

Paul

Sour grapes?
You need to learn what the term "sour grapes" actually means before attempting to use it. I would suggest you read this link. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes)

The English idiom "sour grapes" - derived from this fable - refers to the denial of one's desire for something that one fails to acquire or to the person who holds such denial. Similar expressions exist in other languages.

Strictly speaking, it should be applied to someone who, after losing, denies the intention to win altogether. The phrase is often misused by those unaware of the original story, who imagine it refers to general "bitterness" or "resentment".

Looks like lot of frustrated members are pounding on me.
Whatever you guys say, we have just been forced to accept a HI-DEFINITION DISC VOID OF LOSSLESS tracks on blockbuster titles by UNI + PARAMOUNT. DD+ 1.5 Mpbs should be fine but not sure if it would be fine enough. Personally I am not a huge fan of DD+ as the difference between legacy DD & DD+ is subtle.

I find the difference between DD+ and DD much more striking than THD or LPCM.

In fact I would rather have a 24/48 DD+ track than a 16/48 LPCM any day. I'm sure some agree with me.

I find the difference between DD+ and DD much more striking than THD or LPCM.

In fact I would rather have a 24/48 DD+ track than a 16/48 LPCM any day. I'm sure some agree with me.

+1*


*When the DD+ track is 1.5Mbps

Mine arrived from DHL at 11 a.m eastern. A Mighty Heart is TrueHD and DD+. Universal also sent Inside Man and that is TrueHD also.

Mine arrived from DHL at 11 a.m eastern. A Mighty Heart is TrueHD and DD+. Universal also sent Inside Man and that is TrueHD also.

Although not relevant to Transformers, I would really like to see what you think about A Mighty Heart and Inside Man.

Although not relevant to Transformers, I would really like to see what you think about A Mighty Heart and Inside Man.

Transformers tonight as the kids are demanding it. The other 2 tomorrow. Hopefully Spiderman 1 and 2 sometime this weekend!

So if I write a review like that, I can get free discs too?

I cannot stress how poorly written that was. The very first sentence is a grammatical nightmare. Does BB not even proof read this garbage?

Over 11,000 posts -- are they all as shallow as this one?

If I may.............YES! However, 'The Bland' wins the shallow/sarcasm award, with WELL over 11,000 posts! It's all good though....

I find the difference between DD+ and DD much more striking than THD or LPCM.

In fact I would rather have a 24/48 DD+ track than a 16/48 LPCM any day. I'm sure some agree with me.

I have been involved with this discussion on numerous threads. I first was exposed to the falacy that LossLess is significantly (and I would say there is no percievable difference) than DD+ by FilmMixer. I did testing on my own and found that to be true (for me at least). Even though there may some bias in this thread, I find it heartening to find so many supporting DD+. There are a few that will never be convinced, but for now it looks like my work is done. Russ, you are spot on.

BTW: Josh, thanks for the review. I'm definitely getting this title.

Is there a non-2 disc version on HD-DVD?

Is there a non-2 disc version on HD-DVD?

Just the two disc set, with what looks like a nice slip case :)

Just the two disc set, with what looks like a nice slip case :)

Thanks. It's just that $27 is a little steep! :(

Thanks. It's just that $27 is a little steep! :(

Yeah I know :( unfortunately most of Paramounts movies are $27

Has Josh sold off his Transformers HD-DVD yet? Or is he actually going to hang onto it?

Thanks. It's just that $27 is a little steep! :(

LOL

You guys get it so good.:D

Most HD Releases are a fare bit more than that in the UK.

We end up paying the extra $5 or so and importing from the US and it's still often cheaper:rolleyes:

I just watched half of this disc and I don't know where Josh is coming from. This disc has reference audio and video. It is every bit as good as Spider-Man 3. Review will be up tomorrow.

My disc showed up this morning, but I am out of town right now (wife called me). I won't be home until late tonight, but mine showed up via DHL as well. I wonder why BB got his yesterday via Fedex, when I only got A Mighty Heart yesterday (Fed Ex) and Transformers today via DHL...very weird. I'm looking forward to watching this though!

I just watched half of this disc and I don't know where Josh is coming from. This disc has reference audio and video. It is every bit as good as Spider-Man 3. Review will be up tomorrow.

So I take that as a validation of the DD+ sound track? Waiting anxiously for your review!

Yes it sure sounds great. The battle scenes are amazing.

Yes it sure sounds great. The battle scenes are amazing.

Good to hear :)

I just watched half of this disc and I don't know where Josh is coming from. This disc has reference audio and video. It is every bit as good as Spider-Man 3. Review will be up tomorrow.

I know where Josh is coming from...it's called BD Land where everything is blue-colored.

He is not a reviewer.

Josh,

I agree with the address...I would take the picture down..you don't want any crazies sending you stuff!

It looks legit to me and you have my most sincere apology.
My apologies also.

You need to learn what the term "sour grapes" actually means before attempting to use it. I would suggest you read this link. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes)

I was in a hurry before and all I could think of was jealousy but I didn't want to use that term. My bad.

Is this out? A guy just posted a new thread saying he has it. I thought it came out the 16th.:confused:

DVDtown review

http://www.dvdtown.com/reviews/transformers/5245

AVC codec. sweet.
The extras on the disc are awesome.

See that FOX. This what you charge people $27 for.:)

I'll probably forget about the TrueHD the minute I take the slipcover off.

Audio 10/10, I thought the audio was going to suck because it was only DD+ lol. :)

...was this written by an 8 year old? Talk about desperation in getting a review out before anyone else.

"The sound was clear."

"The picture was good."

"The commentary was interesting."

Oh.

This was one of the more meaty reviews, some consist of a few sentences.

Looks like a solid release, definitely a keeper! PQ: 8/10, AQ: 10/10

Some will always complain about there being no lossless audio track, but I've heard some incredible DD+ tracks, and Transformers sounds like it will be another top notch audio track to show you what DD+ is capable of. Click here (http://www.dvdtown.com/reviews/transformers/5245/1) to read the full review.

Video:
The film showed up pretty well in a theater, and in HD DVD Paramount reproduce it much as I remember it from my local movie house. Using an MGEG-4AVC codec, the video engineers maintain the film's original 2.35:1 aspect ratio (showing up at about 2.24:1 across my screen, given my set's small amount of overscan). What we see is a clean screen, free of grain and transfer noise, even in darker outdoor shots. Colors are bright, rich, and deep, perhaps a tad too bright, rich, and deep for real life, and a touch glassy, too, but perfect for a cartoonish movie like "Transformers." Definition is, as we might expect, near flawless, the crispness of the delineation serving to point up every detail in the mechanical creatures. I did, however, observe a small degree of shimmer in some motion effects, particularly noticeable in some horizontal and diagonal lines. It is of little concern.

Audio:
The big controversy in the audio department swirls around Paramount's decision not to include a Dolby TrueHD track on what is possibly their highest-profile HD DVD release of the year. Most viewers probably won't even notice the missing lossless track, but its omission will surely annoy audiophiles and videophiles. I have no idea what was behind Paramount's decision. Perhaps they didn't have room on the disc for the track; perhaps they figured there wasn't a big enough audience for it; perhaps they think there is no discernable difference in sound quality between TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus; or perhaps they just made a mistake and forgot it. I don't know. I do know that in every past instance where I've had a chance instantly to compare the two audio formats, I have always found differences in the sound quality; not always big differences, but always differences. And I have always favored the slightly smoother, less bright, and less forward sound of TrueHD over DD+. But I may be among the few who hear such differences or care about them. In any case, it seems to me to have been an unwise decision for Paramount to leave off a TrueHD track if for no other reason than public relations. It's good PR to have the track and bad PR to omit it, particularly on a blockbuster where many people perceive the sound as critical to the overall movie experience.

Be that as it may, what we do have, Dolby Digital Plus 5.1, is plenty good enough, and since there is nothing with which to compare it, we will never know if TrueHD could have sounded any better. The DD+ produces room-rumbling bass, with a strong, well-focused impact; midrange of remarkable clarity; and treble that glistens. The front-channel stereo spread is wide, and the filmmakers take all the advantage they can of the surrounds. Rousing, pinpoint directional sounds from all five main speakers do a lot a to sell the show. I can't imagine anyone complaining about the audio on this one...

It's huge; it's loud; and it's filled with things that crash and blow up in glorious high-definition picture and sound. "Transformers" is everything you expect from a colossal summertime blockbuster. Looking for logic, sense, reason, even sanity in a story based on a children's toy would stretching a point. The movie is for the eye and the ear, not the brain. It turned out a lot better than I thought by looking and sounding so good in HD, so give it some credit. Big, dumb, and attractive in this case is probably good enough.

Oh man. I can't wait!!! I just hope amazon got their shipments in and mine ships when it says it will.

I wasn't going to buy it due to no lossless audio, but then I remembered how much *I* enjoyed the movie in theaters and knew I'd just piss myself off if I didn't buy this one.

I had little doubt that this would be a great quality disc, but hearing a reviewer state that, makes the wait for Tuesday that much harder.

Looks like a solid release, definitely a keeper! PQ: 8/10, AQ: 10/10

Some will always complain about there being no lossless audio track, but I've heard some incredible DD+ tracks, and Transformers sounds like it will be another top notch audio track to show you what DD+ is capable of. Click here (http://www.dvdtown.com/reviews/transformers/5245/1) to read the full review.

Happy to finally see an official review.;)

DVDtown review

http://www.dvdtown.com/reviews/transformers/5245

AVC codec. sweet.
The extras on the disc are awesome.

See that FOX. This what you charge people $27 for.:)

I'll probably forget about the TrueHD the minute I take the slipcover off.

Finally an authentic review from a neutral 3rd party source. :)

that settles it. no transformers for me. only a 10 out of 10 for audio because of that dd+ crap.

if it had lossless it would have been at least 10 out of 10 but with dd+ it is only 10 when it could have been a 10.

this totally sucks. i may shoot myself or worse. i might even buy a ps3.

oops... did i say that out loud.

i really want to buy that 3rd movie in that series...

Arachnid Metrosexual vs. Venom ... or whatever it is called.

that settles it. no transformers for me. only a 10 out of 10 for audio because of that dd+ crap.

if it had lossless it would have been at least 10 out of 10 but with dd+ it is only 10 when it could have been a 10.Very nice.:D

that settles it. no transformers for me. only a 10 out of 10 for audio because of that dd+ crap.

if it had lossless it would have been at least 10 out of 10 but with dd+ it is only 10 when it could have been a 10.

this totally sucks. i may shoot myself or worse. i might even buy a ps3.

oops... did i say that out loud.

i really want to buy that 3rd movie in that series...

Arachnid Metrosexual vs. Venom ... or whatever it is called.

LOL, funniest post today.:D

Looks like a solid release, definitely a keeper! PQ: 8/10, AQ: 10/10



But... how can a DD+ track get such a good score!!! I thought a movie had to have a lossless track to sound good ;)

Looks like a solid release, definitely a keeper! PQ: 8/10, AQ: 10/10

Hmm. So lossy is perfect now? I don't doubt that the soundtrack is great, but I can't see how someone can say with a straight face that the audio couldn't be any better if it was lossless.

Hmm. So lossy is perfect now? I don't doubt that the soundtrack is great, but I can't see how someone can say with a straight face that the audio couldn't be any better if it was lossless.

Get an HD DVD player and get over it already.

Get an HD DVD player and get over it already.

Already did. Bought Serenity and Evan Almighty too. Also preordered Stardust (I'll pick up TF in the store.) I still say that a lossless track > lossy given the same source.

He reviewed what was on the disk. He says its a pefect 10. Why is that a problem? If it were a lossless track do you think he would have given it an 11? Great is great. It doesn't have to be lossless to achieve that, unless your just a spec hound and nothing more.

Hmm. So lossy is perfect now? I don't doubt that the soundtrack is great, but I can't see how someone can say with a straight face that the audio couldn't be any better if it was lossless.
Is a 16-bit PCM or TrueHD track perfect and deserving of a perfect score? What about a 24-bit PCM or TrueHD track? Which is more perfect, a 24-bit lossy track, or 16-bit lossless track? They could all sound excellent now couldn't they, and a 10/10 rating is what the audio on Transformers deserves because it is excellent.

One of the reasons why the Blu-Boys freak out over lossless audio is because Blu-Ray is only mandated to support 640 kbps for Dolby Digital. HD DVD gets DD+ at almost 3 times that bit rate. So when Blu-Ray studios don't give a movie lossless DD 640 kbps is the typical solution, just look at Superman Returns, Happy Feet, etc. However when HD DVD doesn't get lossless HD DVD isn't limited by lack of minimum specs and HD DVD movies can get DD+ up to 3 mbps, though the usual bit rate is 1.5 mbps.

Is a 16-bit PCM or TrueHD track perfect and deserving of a perfect score? What about a 24-bit PCM or TrueHD track? Which is more perfect, a 24-bit lossy track, or 16-bit lossless track? They could all sound excellent now couldn't they, and a 10/10 rating is what the audio on Transformers deserves because it is excellent.

Correct.

One of the reasons why the Blu-Boys freak out over lossless audio is because Blu-Ray is only mandated to support 640 kbps for Dolby Digital. HD DVD gets DD+ at almost 3 times that bit rate. So when Blu-Ray studios don't give a movie lossless DD 640 kbps is the typical solution, just look at Superman Returns, Happy Feet, etc. However when HD DVD doesn't get lossless HD DVD isn't limited by lack of minimum specs and HD DVD movies can get DD+ up to 3 mbps, though the usual bit rate is 1.5 mbps.

Correct.

HighDefDiscNews has posted our thoughts on the disc in question as well. Simply put, another must own hi-def disc :)

Transformers Review (http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=239)

HighDefDiscNews has posted our thoughts on the disc in question as well. Simply put, another must own hi-def disc :)

Transformers Review (http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=239)

Very nice review. I particularly love the direct screen grabs.

HighDefDiscNews has posted our thoughts on the disc in question as well. Simply put, another must own hi-def disc :)

Transformers Review (http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=239)

I've been checking some of the HDDN review and they're pretty spot on.
I saw an ad for this last night on one of the hd channels and it was crystal clear. Glad you guys got that right.:)

The image is so artificial how can it have any grain at all?:confused:

I can't wait to see the best explosions ever. :)

The presence of AVC codec in Paramount HD releases confirms that Microsoft hasn't paid them $150MM.

The presence of AVC codec in Paramount HD releases confirms that Microsoft hasn't paid them $150MM.

I'm sure that post changed the minds of...














no one.

http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=239

:D

http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/reviews/transformers/image3full.jpg

Damn, I really can wait for this movie... I get mine tomorrow..

Now that is what HD was made for... ;)

awesome!

The Movie Itself is one that originally made you wonder how that director Michael Bay (known for the horrible “Armageddon“) ?

If Armageddon was horrible then Deep Impact was not at all slow and boring.

This will be the disc! ;)

I think there's gonna be lots of Blu-Ray only people out there that will end up picking up an HD DVD player just for this title alone! Especially when they see all the great reviews and just can't stand watching such a great movie unconverted. Thank God I'm neutral cause not having this would hurt BIG time.

But but but there is no TrueHD? How can someone rate the AQ 5/5? :D

This will be the disc! ;)

I think there's gonna be lots of Blu-Ray only people out there that will end up picking up an HD DVD player just for this title alone! Especially when they see all the great reviews and just can't stand watching such a great movie unconverted. Thank God I'm neutral cause not having this would hurt BIG time.

Heck just that picture posted by the OP is worth the price of admission. :D

Megan Fox, AKA mall skank #1029130193821.

Megan Fox, AKA mall skank #1029130193821.

How do you really feel about her? ;)

Megan Fox, AKA mall skank #1029130193821.
Fine by me.

I like this pic of them. :) I mean her.

http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/reviews/transformers/image4.jpg

But but but there is no TrueHD? How can someone rate the AQ 5/5? :D

Probably because absent TrueHD DD+ was a 5 out of 5.

One of the reasons why the Blu-Boys freak out over lossless audio is because Blu-Ray is only mandated to support 640 kbps for Dolby Digital. HD DVD gets DD+ at almost 3 times that bit rate. So when Blu-Ray studios don't give a movie lossless DD 640 kbps is the typical solution, just look at Superman Returns, Happy Feet, etc. However when HD DVD doesn't get lossless HD DVD isn't limited by lack of minimum specs and HD DVD movies can get DD+ up to 3 mbps, though the usual bit rate is 1.5 mbps.

Wow. Posts like this are what make me love this community. I learn something new every day.

Is a 16-bit PCM or TrueHD track perfect and deserving of a perfect score? What about a 24-bit PCM or TrueHD track? Which is more perfect, a 24-bit lossy track, or 16-bit lossless track? They could all sound excellent now couldn't they, and a 10/10 rating is what the audio on Transformers deserves because it is excellent.

Do you have this title yet? did you review it? if not your opinion on a audio track you haven't heard isn't warranted or wanted even. I agree with the fact that a dd+ track should not get a 10 as a lossless track must be better to some degree even if it is marginal and reviewing a hi def disc w/o lossless and giving it a perfect score only implies that the reviewer does not care if he gets a lossless track or not.

Do you have this title yet? did you review it? if not your opinion on a audio track you haven't heard isn't warranted or wanted even.
Did iceperson? The end of my statement is DVDTown's position, because they heard it and reviewed it.

I agree with the fact that a dd+ track should not get a 10 as a lossless track must be better to some degree even if it is marginal and reviewing a hi def disc w/o lossless and giving it a perfect score only implies that the reviewer does not care if he gets a lossless track or not.
Do you have this title yet? did you review it? if not your opinion on a audio track you haven't heard isn't warranted or wanted even. :cool: I suppose you think that no single title, no matter how good the picture quality, should get a 5/5 or 10/10 for PQ because, well, the video isn't lossless? By your logic no audio should ever get a "perfect" score unless it is 32bit/192KHz. Instead of complaining, why don't you just get an HD DVD player and enjoy it! :)

Do you have this title yet? did you review it? if not your opinion on a audio track you haven't heard isn't warranted or wanted even. I agree with the fact that a dd+ track should not get a 10 as a lossless track must be better to some degree even if it is marginal and reviewing a hi def disc w/o lossless and giving it a perfect score only implies that the reviewer does not care if he gets a lossless track or not.

How do you sleep every night knowing that many lossless & uncompressed audio track on Blu-Ray HDM do not get a perfect AQ score.

Did iceperson? The end of my statement is DVDTown's position, because they heard it and reviewed it.


Do you have this title yet? did you review it? if not your opinion on a audio track you haven't heard isn't warranted or wanted even. :cool: I suppose you think that no single title, no matter how good the picture quality, should get a 5/5 or 10/10 for PQ because, well, the video isn't lossless? Instead of complaining, why don't you just get an HD DVD player and enjoy it! :)

I am complaining about giving a perfect score to a non lossless audio track on a "next gen dvd" I am saying a lossless track would "probably" show a improvement therefore giving a non lossless a perfect makes the reviewers scale skewed as eventually I believe it will be re released as special edition or whatever with a lossless track and then how do you review that track?

How do you sleep every night knowing that many lossless & uncompressed audio track on Blu-Ray HDM do not get a perfect AQ score.

You don't get it... he gives it a 10 even though he says on any release with both as a reviewer he notices and thinks that a lossless track is better so what does he give the eventual lossless track a 11? What does Blu Ray have to do with this title not getting a lossless track?

I am complaining about giving a perfect score to a non lossless audio track on a "next gen dvd" I am saying a lossless track would "probably" show a improvement therefore giving a non lossless a perfect makes the reviewers scale skewed as eventually I believe it will be re released as special edition or whatever with a lossless track and then how do you review that track?
In all seriousness comments like that make me laugh. You must really hate the fact that you'll never see lossless video and 32bit lossless audio. The fact is, this is the reviewers impression. He was so impressed with the AQ that he believed it warranted a 10/10 score. Before you start complaining about perfection, you need to define it, and then say with a straight face whether there are any titles available on either format which, by your own definition, deserve your "perfect" score.

What does Blu Ray have to do with this title not getting a lossless track?
Blu-ray doesn't get this title at all. If you want to watch Transformers in the highest quality available, you'll need HD DVD.

In all seriousness comments like that make me laugh. You must really hate the fact that you'll never see lossless video and 32bit lossless audio.


No I just believe that a movie as great as this movie deserves the best that the technology it is on has to offer and DD+ is not the best HD DVD has to offer, Would you not agree HD DVD has better than DD+ to offer to its fans and as so Paramount should provide that to the people buying this?

You don't get it... he gives it a 10 even though he says on any release with both as a reviewer he notices and thinks that a lossless track is better so what does he give the eventual lossless track a 11? What does Blu Ray have to do with this title not getting a lossless track?

He's not the only one that doesn't get it.

In all seriousness comments like that make me laugh. You must really hate the fact that you'll never see lossless video and 32bit lossless audio.


Blu-ray doesn't get this title at all. If you want to watch Transformers in the highest quality available, you'll need HD DVD.

I didn't bring up Blu Ray....someone else did I was saying what does Blu Ray have to do with this movie not having a lossless track which is a valid question. Someone brings up Blu Ray when it didn't need to be brought into the discussion.

No I just believe that a movie as great as this movie deserves the best that the technology it is on has to offer and DD+ is not the best HD DVD has to offer, Would you not agree HD DVD has better than DD+ to offer to its fans and as so Paramount should provide that to the people buying this?
What HD DVD player do you have? Have you even heard a DD+ soundtrack?? I think I see sour grapes.

I like this pic of them. :) I mean her.

http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/reviews/transformers/image4.jpg

I agree I like this pic of her too, I wish I could find this pic of her for a background

The lossless vs lossy debate seems to penetrate every single thread related to Transformers. To sum up, some don't care and some do care that True HD was not included. The fact of the matter is, it was not included for whatever reason. Can the audio still sound superb? Absolutely. The point of codecs is to compress the audio/video while trying to maintain as close the the original source as possible. A great encoding can sound just as good as the original, thus the existence of encodings and bit rates and all that jazz. Are encodings always perfect? Absolutely not, but it is having a lossy codec does not automatically mean the sound is inferior. Judging by the reviews (or at least the couple that have posted thus far), the DD+ soundtrack is exceptional and with nothing else to compare it to rates quite high. The True HD soundtrack may have sounded exactly the same. It may not have. Who knows. If the reviewer thinks the audio is perfect, then that is his right. You don't rate audio/video based on the codec used. I'm sure this debate will continue with this title, with Shrek 3, and Stardust, and whatever else Paramount releases without lossless sound. What we deserve is a high definition presentation and if the DD+ provides that, then why the animosity? It's not about settling for less but getting the best out of each codec. I have not heard the soundtrack myself but if I judge it to be unacceptable then I might have a complaint that True HD should have been used but I don't need to fool my senses in thinking it is inferior just because it isn't lossless. Just my opinion.

I do not have a HD DVD player. my friend does as I am going to go watch this movie at his house I assume DD+ is pretty similar to the DTS MA core at 1.5 mbps which is still good but not "great" No sour grapes here but if HD DVD does win this thing it will be with quality and to me quality= lossless. My issue was just a perfect score for non lossless when lossless is available, obviously the sound mix is great for a perfect score just wondering how much better with True HD.
Oregon, I hope you enjoy the HD DVD. Here is HighDefDiscNews (http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=239)' comments on the audio (they gave both the PQ and AQ 5/5):

Audio Quality on this release is in Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 @1.5Mbps. Sure it’s a shame this film didn’t get a Dolby TrueHD 5.1 mix as well like “A Mighty Heart” (which Paramount is releasing on the same day). But honestly it still really rocks and gets the job done, let me explain why. First off from the beginning of the film with the narration “Optimus Prime” (voiced by Peter Cullen) does to the end his voice absolutely stands out more than any noise or explosion. Speaking of which explosions, gunfire, robot footsteps and just generally all the sound effects feel very lifelike with an amazing rear channel presence. The bass is absolutely thumping but not in a bad way. The Dialogue is perfectly driven and mixed throughout the course of the film.


I think the musical score and Soundtrack to the film are great. The choice of songs “Bumblebee” plays trying to help “Sam” get lucky sound great in a 5.1 mix. Also the Smashing Pumpkins song “Doomsday Clock” is really used at a perfect point of the film. Overall I think this audio mix is pretty damn impressive but at the same time it would have been nice to have both Dolby Digital Plus & Dolby TrueHD. Either way this gets the job done and is sure to wake the neighbors, after all it IS a Michael Bay film.

You don't get it... he gives it a 10 even though he says on any release with both as a reviewer he notices and thinks that a lossless track is better so what does he give the eventual lossless track a 11? What does Blu Ray have to do with this title not getting a lossless track?

The reviewer gives 10/10 because the audio presentation deserves it. Are you saying that all lossless track should get 10/10 just because it's lossless, and all DD+ track should not get 10/10 just because it's lossy?

Have you heard any audio track using DD+ track @ 1.5mbps vs. same track on TrueHD?...

The reason I bring up Blu-Ray is because most Blu-Ray titles include lossless track and only few of them get 10/10 AQ score. Therefore, lossless audio does not equal to best AQ presentation or the only audio codec to deliver great AQ.

The reviewer gives 10/10 because the audio presentation deserves it. Are you saying that all lossless track should get 10/10 just because it's lossless, and all DD+ track should not get 10/10 just because it's lossy?

Have you heard any audio track using DD+ track @ 1.5mbps vs. same track on TrueHD?...

The reason I bring up Blu-Ray is because most Blu-Ray titles include lossless track and only few of them get 10/10 AQ score. Therefore, lossless audio does not equal to best AQ presentation.

As noted in both reviews thus far the reviewers are saying it is great audio but both are disappointed at the lack of lossless and both seem to imply it would be better with it. No i have not because my player and reciever decoded true hd and I don't know if any Blu Ray titles have both a 1.5 mbps core and true hd on same disc if there is one let me know and I will check it out to see if I can tell the difference.
No I am saying there is no way that a great audio presentation is going to sound worse lossless it can only sound on par or better.

After you sit through it you will not be disappointed, and that's what all the reviews are saying.

I can't wait to get mine. Come on Amazon!!! :D

After you sit through it you will not be disappointed, and that's what all the reviews are saying.

Stop wasting your time, he'll never get it.

I knew as soon as I heard that Transformers wasn't getting a lossless audio track that the Blu-ray people would grab their torches and pitchforks and try to make a mountain out of a very insignificant molehill. Especially when reviewers are all saying the DD+ tracks sounds awesome.

The whole motivation for this argument stems from the fact that Transformers has been taken away from Blu-ray fans. They will find every possible justification for attacking it's HD DVD release, no matter how insignificant.

I saw this twice in the theater and am still tempted to see the Imax that is playing so I can definitely appreciate the movie, I may have to have my friend bring his HD DVD player over as his audio setup is nothing compared to mine so it would be like listening to it in 2 ch or out of his tv lol

I knew as soon as I heard that Transformers wasn't getting a lossless audio track that the Blu-ray people would grab their torches and pitchforks and try to make a mountain out of a very insignificant molehill. Especially when reviewers are all saying the DD+ tracks sounds awesome.

The whole motivation for this argument stems from the fact that Transformers has been taken away from Blu-ray fans. They will find every possible justification for attacking it's HD DVD release, no matter how insignificant.

I'm not attacking it, I am saying I think as great as it is I think it can be better.

I can't wait to get mine. Come on Amazon!!! :D

Screw Amazon, I'm picking mine up on Tuesday. I had to cancell my DVDPacific pre-order, they were going to deliver it on Monday.:(

Why pay DVDPacific prices when I can buy it cheaper at Fry's one day later?

I knew as soon as I heard that Transformers wasn't getting a lossless audio track that the Blu-ray people would grab their torches and pitchforks and try to make a mountain out of a very insignificant molehill. Especially when reviewers are all saying the DD+ tracks sounds awesome.

The whole motivation for this argument stems from the fact that Transformers has been taken away from Blu-ray fans. They will find every possible justification for attacking it's HD DVD release, no matter how insignificant.

Nail on head. ;)

I'm not attacking it, I am saying I think as great as it is I think it can be better.

Sure, you are doing it out of love. :rolleyes:

Look, if you're not here for HD DVD, please leave our forum. All you are doing is causing tension.

Sure, you are doing it out of love. :rolleyes:

Look, if you're not here for HD DVD, please leave our forum.

I don't agree with him, but he is entitled to his opinion and as he has stated he is here for HD DVD. We all want the best out of our formats. The only thing we disagree on is what defines "the best."

I knew as soon as I heard that Transformers wasn't getting a lossless audio track that the Blu-ray people would grab their torches and pitchforks and try to make a mountain out of a very insignificant molehill. Especially when reviewers are all saying the DD+ tracks sounds awesome.

The whole motivation for this argument stems from the fact that Transformers has been taken away from Blu-ray fans. They will find every possible justification for attacking it's HD DVD release, no matter how insignificant.

Well said. A true case of sour grapes, "since it's not on Blu-ray, it's not that great anyway, a lossy track, I'll pass"

As a consumer, I personally do not care about lossless tracks and really are more interested in the visuals. The reviews so far are great, but I agree with Kilgore.

I agree I like this pic of her too, I wish I could find this pic of her for a background


http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4878/002339233fl7.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=002339233fl7.jpg)

You might want to resize/crop in photoshop to your desktop resolution for the best look.

I agree I like this pic of her too, I wish I could find this pic of her for a background

Go here for hi-res http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/reviews/transformers/image4full.jpg ;)

Unlike you I don't attack the opposite format on a daily basis...I appreciate what HD DVD is doing for hdm even if you don't like anything about Blu that is your deal not mine, I'm nto going to act like I don't care I wont have this movie on Blu because I do, I just don't care 250.00 worth to buy another player I will say the new announced dual with full Blu Ray profile spec 2.0 support has me quite interested in it.

But but but there is no TrueHD? How can someone rate the AQ 5/5? :D

you havent listened to Hot Fuzz yet have you, DD+ can sound simply amazing when it needs to.

Well said. A true case of sour grapes, "since it's not on Blu-ray, it's not that great anyway, a lossy track, I'll pass"

As a consumer, I personally do not care about lossless tracks and really are more interested in the visuals. The reviews so far are great, but I agree with Kilgore.

I say the same for all titles on either format I feel if I spending money on the title it should have the best available. And I don't think lossless is needed for a lot of movies where there really is no dynamic range or benefit But for big awesome sounding explosions and the like I want lossless, I could care less if a comedy had full lossless.

Unlike you I don't attack the opposite format on a daily basis...I appreciate what HD DVD is doing for hdm even if you don't like anything about Blu that is your deal not mine, I'm nto going to act like I don't care I wont have this movie on Blu because I do, I just don't care 250.00 worth to buy another player I will say the new announced dual with full Blu Ray profile spec 2.0 support has me quite interested in it.

From your own admission, you do not have an HD DVD player, and you are a BR supporter who is attacking the HD DVD format and forum members in our HD DVD forum...this is trolling. :rolleyes:

From your own admission, you do not have an HD DVD player, and you are a BR supporter who is attacking the HD DVD format and forum members in our HD DVD forum...this is trolling. :rolleyes:

Actually I am taking part in a discussion in a HD DVD "software section" thread where I was under the impression people were here to talk about HD DVD software, I was unaware of the requirement that I was to check my love for lossless audio at the door? I haven't attacked the audio on this release or the picture as I am sure they are great Just reiterating my feelings on the audio as have both reviewers in the 2 reviews posted in this forums section. I have also not attacked any forum members, I came to talk HD DVD and get the fact that I own a Blu Ray player shoved in my face as a reason I would rather have lossless audio.

I say the same for all titles on either format I feel if I spending money on the title it should have the best available.

This from someone who owns a BR player???:eek:

Your very player is not even compliant with its own specs, and indeed cannot be!:eek:
So if you truly cared about getting the best value for your money, why would you sink your funds into a player that will be obsolete come October 31st???:rolleyes:

you havent listened to Hot Fuzz yet have you, DD+ can sound simply amazing when it needs to.

DreamGirls settled that question for me long ago.

Actually I am taking part in a discussion in a HD DVD "software section" thread where I was under the impression people were here to talk about HD DVD software, I was unaware of the requirement that I to check my love for lossless audio at the door? I haven't attacked the audio on this release or the picture as I am sure they are great Just reiterating my feelings on the audio as have both reviewers in the 2 reviews posted in this forums section.

No, you sir, are attacking the Transformers HD DVD AQ (Which happens to have 10/10 AQ and 5/5 AQ from 2 independent reviewers) because you cannot get it in BR period!
Several members, which you have scorned, have painfully tried to explain to you why this is so. But your agenda remains the same.:rolleyes:

This from someone who owns a BR player???:eek:

Your very player is not even compliant with its own specs, and indeed cannot be!:eek:
So if you truly cared about getting the best value for your money, why would you sink your funds into a player that will be obsolete come October 31st???:rolleyes:

I own a PS3 which with all indications will be fully compliant at least to 1.1 if not 2.0. I didn't come here to discuss Blu....

Can't wait to get my copy. Dial my receiver to 0. The "Battle for the Allspark" scene will rock the house. Friends and family will also come over next weekend for the show.

Oh yeah. Orgasmic bliss.