FedEx just dropped it off, they all have TrueHD tracks on them, looks like the extras that are typical of the DVDs (in 480i). I only have a camera phone, so beware of the quality of the below pics. Time to try these out and check out the PQ.

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Pics please! I am so jealous :mad:

They all have TrueHD on them? Damn, I didn't realize that would be the case. Great to hear though. Yes please let us know about the PQ.

FedEx just dropped it off, they all have TrueHD tracks on them, looks like the extras that are typical of the DVDs (in 480i). I only have a camera phone, so if you want pics - let me know. Time to try these out and check out the PQ.

Pics please! I am so jealous :mad:

Me to !

Two weeks ahead of time, eh? Nice!

Definately picking this up.

Did this come from Warner Home Video??

How is this packaged? 4 individual cases in a slipcover? Or something more compact?

FedEx just dropped it off, they all have TrueHD tracks on them, looks like the extras that are typical of the DVDs (in 480i). I only have a camera phone, so if you want pics - let me know. Time to try these out and check out the PQ.

PQ please....

Nice! I saw Hunt for Red October in HD on satellite and recorded it - it looked great then, so the HD disc should be awesome!

Did this come from Warner Home Video??

Use PM. We try not to discuss street date violators on the open forum so that they can continue violating.

;)

Did this come from Warner Home Video??

Jack Ryan is Paramount.:)

All pics added to OP, pretty bad quality, but you can make out the TrueHD logo on the backs. I need a real camera. :) PQ on Red October is much more defined but some soft shots and grain in spots. I'm thinking that's how it was shot. A solid 3 or 3.5/5 though, imo. AQ is good, not a lot of bass coming out of my sub but imaging is excellent and everything is very clear.

A shot that jumped out at me is when they open the doors on the caterpillar for the first time, that you can see the seams in the hull and door, whereas the DVD I never saw that.

Anyone who does not want The Sum of All Fears and is willing to sell it to a Canadian, PM me.

Edit: Got one now. :)

Where are the picts?

Jack Ryan is Paramount.:)

Yes they are Paramount movies, and that gave me a good laugh. :p
Thanks, I needed that.

im waiting for mine to arrive. I read alot of people didnt like Sum Of All Fears but I personally liked it. Maybe people just dont care for Affleck.

im waiting for mine to arrive. I read alot of people didnt like Sum Of All Fears but I personally liked it. Maybe people just dont care for Affleck.

Just orderd the set:)
Yea it could be but its still a good movie, far better than i thought it would be.

I ordered my set from Amazon today. I enjoyed all these movies very
much and am looking forward to watching them in HD.

It's awfully tempting to buy this, I'm going to wait for some reviews however.

I ordered it from Wal-mart.com wich had it listed as In-Stock and I already received my shipping notification.

Can't wait! Will probably sell off 'The Sum of All Fears'; lousy compared to the other three.

Can't wait! Will probably sell off 'The Sum of All Fears'; lousy compared to the other three.

Looks like you have a buyer up top on this thread already!

I can't wait for this entire set. Love the flicks....all of them. ;)

Jack Ryan is Paramount.:)


oooops, my bad brain fart. thanks :o


Use PM. We try not to discuss street date violators on the open forum so that they can continue violating.

;)

I agree with you. I was under the assumption it was Warner release (my bad) in that case if Warner decides to send it out before the release date obviously they would be allowed to break their own release dates.

vary nice =). i wish i could buy some of it separately as i know it'll eventually happen =P. i mean sum of all fears X)

How is this packaged? 4 individual cases in a slipcover? Or something more compact?

Second request:
Are they individual cases?

Dolby TrueHD?

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Can't WAIT to get this.

im waiting for mine to arrive. I read alot of people didnt like Sum Of All Fears but I personally liked it. Maybe people just dont care for Affleck.

Nah, I don't think people were ready to see a movie about a nuclear bomb detonating in the US so close to 9/11. It scared a lot of people at the theater. A quarter of the people at the theater that we were at, got up and walked out.

Nah, I don't think people were ready to see a movie about a nuclear bomb detonating in the US so close to 9/11. It scared a lot of people at the theater. A quarter of the people at the theater that we were at, got up and walked out.

:rolleyes: Why do I find that hard to believe.

Nah, I don't think people were ready to see a movie about a nuclear bomb detonating in the US so close to 9/11. It scared a lot of people at the theater. A quarter of the people at the theater that we were at, got up and walked out.

Good thing they didn't film the later Jack Ryan novels.

My copy is on its way via jet for arrival on Monday. However, when I get home on Monday, I'll be more interested in watching MNF that previewing these movies.

:rolleyes: Why do I find that hard to believe.

No habla jibberish.

:rolleyes: Why do I find that hard to believe.

You shouldn't. That's precisely the reason why Harrison Ford passed on it.

"Affleck you the bomb in The Sum of All Fears, Yo!"

Sorry guys, had to work and see the gf for a bit. :)

Damnationdoormat: Yes, all have Dolby TrueHD tracks and that's my poor phone camera's attempt at capturing them.

bboisvert and John B.: They are all seperate cases in the slip box that is shown on amazon.com. It's like the basic Matrix collection.

These we sent overnight from a certain (known among us) company that's known for getting stuff out early.

the only one I care about is clear and present danger..hows that one?

Sorry, I was in hibernation for a while and I haven't seen ANY of these titles :eek: This set will be a blind buy for me and hopefully I won't be disappointed.

Picture of the bottom of the box showing the TrueHD label:

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PQ for Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger is even better than Red October, a solid 4. Maybe 4.5 rating. I notice little flaws from the film they used for the transfer, but these are even cleaner and with just a minimal grain. You get a little of the 3D pop here and there too, at least to my eyes. I can only imagine Sum of All Fears is at least as good if not better.

Nah, I don't think people were ready to see a movie about a nuclear bomb detonating in the US so close to 9/11. It scared a lot of people at the theater. A quarter of the people at the theater that we were at, got up and walked out.

I think it had more to do with the fact that the film version has too many plot changes and character re-definitions that really take the meat out of the story.

Political correctness destroyed this one, IMHO.

Ordered from walmart.com. We'll see how fast is shows up as it said it was "in stock".

I somehow doubt that its close proximity to 9/11 events had anything to do with why Ford passed on it. The film was released in May of 02, and was probably filmed in 01, with the deals for acquiring actors happening before that. With that time table, I'm pretty sure Ford passed on this movie before the events of 9/11.

Another note: These are all encoded in MPEG4 AVC.

Too bad for the Hunt for Red October. Now I have lost all hope that this film will ever look stellar even in hd.

Assuming all the std def extras are there, IMHO, Sum of All Fears is worth it to hear the commentary with the director and Tom Clancy, with him pointing out all the errors and changes from his book...oh, and sometimes praise and acceptance of changes to the novel "necessary" for adapting it to film. I found it very entertaining...

Assuming all the std def extras are there, IMHO, Sum of All Fears is worth it to hear the commentary with the director and Tom Clancy, with him pointing out all the errors and changes from his book...oh, and sometimes praise and acceptance of changes to the novel "necessary" for adapting it to film. I found it very entertaining...

If its the same one for the DVD release, it was a hoot.
Clancy's "ice piss" comment and the director comment about it being a real CIA tool were cool.

All pics added to OP, pretty bad quality, but you can make out the TrueHD logo on the backs.

Thank you for letting us know about the True HD. I was holding off on ordering this until I knew for sure.

Just placed my order on Amazon.

I watched Patriot Games to night, excellent colour and sound. I had forgotten part of the story line. Paramount did an excellent transfer.

I will watch Clear and Present Danger tomorow night. I expect it will be even better because it is a somewhat newer film and there are some jungle scenes which always look good. By the way I rented both DVDs at a local outlet.

Nah, I don't think people were ready to see a movie about a nuclear bomb detonating in the US so close to 9/11. It scared a lot of people at the theater. A quarter of the people at the theater that we were at, got up and walked out.

I saw it opening day and i'm in new york so I don't know. Not saying what you are saying isnt true just find it hard to believe since i'm from ny and nothing of the sort happened in a packed ny theater.

Oh well regardless i enjoyed all the jack ryan movies and am looking forward to this set.

Any information about subtitles options in this collection ?

Good thing they didn't film the later Jack Ryan novels.

Yeah, too bad OBL read _Debt of Honor_ :p

Any information about subtitles options in this collection ?

English, French, Spanish and Portuguese. Pretty much covers the Americas. :)

English, French, Spanish and Portuguese. Pretty much covers the Americas. :)

Dam you, dam you to hell !!
All i had to watch last night was the BR Silver Surfer, and dam if ain't one of the most crapolla movies of the year :(

Dam you, dam you to hell !!
All i had to watch last night was the BR Silver Surfer, and dam if ain't one of the most crapolla movies of the year :(



:eek: I thought that was a really fun flick.

:eek: I thought that was a really fun flick.

I liked it as well, but compared to The Jack Ryan Collection it is crappy.:o

Got mine too and have to say the Edge Enhancement is a bit excessive on ALL titles in this set

Assuming all the std def extras are there, IMHO, Sum of All Fears is worth it to hear the commentary with the director and Tom Clancy, with him pointing out all the errors and changes from his book...oh, and sometimes praise and acceptance of changes to the novel "necessary" for adapting it to film. I found it very entertaining...

"No it's too big..."
"No it's too small..."
:D

Unless I'm missing something there are no extras on ANY of these discs even though the back covers list the commentary and featurette from the prior Special Edition DVDs.

Clicking on the menu brings up PAUSE/SETTINGS/SCENES and that's it.

Surprised nobody has mentioned it in any of these comments!

you should have an option that says HOME, and from there you can go to the extras. All of the paramount releases have that "flaw", you can't see the extras while watching the movie you have to go to main menu and from there go to the extras.

Got mine too and have to say the Edge Enhancement is a bit excessive on ALL titles in this set
DANG. When will the studios learn that 1080p doesn't need EE!

The only movies I want this set for is Hunt For Red October, if anybody doesn't want theirs, PM me.

Imeldhill there is no home???? just pause settings and scenes in Clear and Present Danger and Patriot games.

For what it is worth I thought Patroit Games appeared to have a better over all reproduction in HD. I thought Clear and Present Danger would be better but there was some weak quality in certain areas. I would not let that stop me buying them. Both excellent films and the sound was amazing. Thoroughly enjoyed both of them

you should have an option that says HOME, and from there you can go to the extras. All of the paramount releases have that "flaw", you can't see the extras while watching the movie you have to go to main menu and from there go to the extras.

I'm aware that's how you access the extras on Paramount discs typically.

But not here -- there's no "Home" option on the menu bar. As I wrote before, the only options you have are PAUSE, SCENES and SETTINGS, just like TOP GUN.

The packaging is a misprint, sadly, on all four titles :(

wait a second....NONE of the extras are on there????

Good thing they didn't film the later Jack Ryan novels.

Are there plans to do any more?

As has been noted, despite listing them on back of each cover and branding each disc with its Special Collector's Edition banner, none of the special features (Commentaries, Featurettes, Trailers) are accessible on the disc. Just as with Top Gun, the only menu options you are given are PAUSE, SETTINGS, and SCENES. There is no HOME and no SPECIAL FEATURES buttons!!! To say I'm pissed is a huge understatement. I WANT MY DISCS TO BE HIGH DEFINITION DVDS NOT HIGH DEFINITION VHS TAPES!!!!

If you care about extras, proceed with caution...
And Paramount- You better get crackin' on those replacement discs. I kind of want what was announced, what I paid for, and what I was fully expecting to own even after I opened the cases.

wait a second....NONE of the extras are on there????

Yep, as I've been saying (and why I was so surprised nobody mentioned it before), there are NO EXTRAS OF ANY KIND on any of these four discs. Each disc opens with the Paramount HD logo and goes right into the film, just like TOP GUN. There is no "main" menu at all, never mind a menu option to look at extras...just a menu bar with Pause/Settings/Scenes, that's it.

I'm guessing that it's the packaging (if they never bothered to correct it) that's wrong and any recall would be to correct the spec information on the back jackets. Each disc clearly says "Special Collector's Edition" on there too...if anything gets changed it'd be that. I doubt they'd repress the discs to add the extras.

As has been noted, despite listing them on back of each cover and branding each disc with its Special Collector's Edition banner, none of the special features (Commentaries, Featurettes, Trailers) are accessible on the disc. Just as with Top Gun, the only menu options you are given are PAUSE, SETTINGS, and SCENES. There is no HOME and no SPECIAL FEATURES buttons!!! To say I'm pissed is a huge understatement. I WANT MY DISCS TO BE HIGH DEFINITION DVDS NOT HIGH DEFINITION VHS TAPES!!!!

If you care about extras, proceed with caution...
And Paramount- You better get crackin' on those replacement discs. I kind of want what was announced, what I paid for, and what I was fully expecting to own even after I opened the cases.

I totally missed this just enjoying the movies until I hit the menu on Clear and Present Danger and was wondering where the extras were. I wonder if they are really on the disc, but the menu wasn't set up to access them?!

No extras? Come on Paramount!

Man there are a lot of discs to watch. Half way through Hunt for Red October. Initial impressions, PQ is very good for a film of this age. No major restoration appearent to me but it looks beter than I have seen it to date, even on HD Movies. Sound is excellent. They really did a great job with the True HD track. You really get the feeling of being in a sub with the ambiant sounds all around you. So far so good.

wait a second....NONE of the extras are on there????

So much for BD's only getting the shaft. I think we were better off when Paramount was neutral.
So lessee, EE, no extras and forcing us to buy all 4 when many don't want all the flicks. Paramount sure isn't doing us any favors.

:(

I don't see the EE, but the fact that the extras are listed on each box but aren't on the disc?! Is there a way to contact Paramount about this?

I have to say I'm Shocked that Paramount did not port over the SD DVD extras! They couldn't have taken up much space. This is really weird. Has to be an error? I have all 4 SD titles - which I plan to keep now just for the extras. I remember there being a couple of Great 2nd audio commentaries (Sum, Hunt) and some cast and crew interviews.

Well at least we now all know. Now we can cancel pre-orders and such, although i think i can get over the no extras to be honest. :)

This is disappointing. I never saw the SD DVD versions, so I was counting on this release to provide everything that I've missed as far as extras go. I would like to see what Paramount has to say about this aberrance.

This is disappointing. I never saw the SD DVD versions, so I was counting on this release to provide everything that I've missed as far as extras go. I would like to see what Paramount has to say about this aberrance.

Well, here's how dumb I am ... I gave my SD versions (the remastered editions of all four films) to a buddy a couple weeks ago, because I had the HD versions coming, with "all" the extras included.

As the great American poet H. Simpson said ... DOH!

They are marked on each case cover though, Paramount should do something about this.

They are marked on each case cover though, Paramount should do something about this.

If they are marked as such then yea someone made a boo boo :rolleyes:

Mine shipped today from you know where...good thing I dont give 2 cents about the extras for any of these films...what a week this is gonna be..Transformers tomorrow and then 4 Clancy films in TrueHD by the weekend...good times good times.:D

Wow, no extras at all despite what the packaging says. That's awful. What a poor move by Paramount.

it's not the first mistake they made on the package. The Italian Job on Blu-Ray has DTS listed as an audio option but it really doesn't. That's strange because the HD-DVD does.

I tried emailing Paramount Home Entertainment on this, we'll see if I ever get a response.

Yep, as I've been saying (and why I was so surprised nobody mentioned it before), there are NO EXTRAS OF ANY KIND on any of these four discs. Each disc opens with the Paramount HD logo and goes right into the film, just like TOP GUN. There is no "main" menu at all, never mind a menu option to look at extras...just a menu bar with Pause/Settings/Scenes, that's it.

I'm guessing that it's the packaging (if they never bothered to correct it) that's wrong and any recall would be to correct the spec information on the back jackets. Each disc clearly says "Special Collector's Edition" on there too...if anything gets changed it'd be that. I doubt they'd repress the discs to add the extras.

That sucks. I just cancelled my pre-order from Amazon. I wonder if there is any chance that they may correct this prior to its official release date.

well mine are arriving today so too bad....

But on the other hand, I saw the extras of the previous editions in dvd and they were really lame and short so I won't miss them, although I think sum of all frear had good extras... pitty. But there SHOULD be an official apology from Paramount.
If not, probably I won't get more stuff from them untill they are on the streets and reviewed by major sites, just to be on the safe side.

The discs look and sound very good -- if you're a fan I'd still pick the set up.

I'm more disappointed than anything, and at the least they're going to have to correct the packaging. I wonder, again, if this will lead to a short recall while they do that --and it's happened before. I wouldn't expect them to recall the discs and repress new ones, like TOP GUN it must've been a conscious decision and they just never fixed the packaging.

Guys...we need to get our ammunition ready on this one. This is totally ridiculous...Paramount can't get away with false advertising. I ordered this set to replace my SD version of these movies which I sold because I was advised this set would have the commentaries. Unbelievable.
This isn't like "Top Gun" because that disc was not billed as special collectors edition and was not advertised to have any extras. The Jack Ryan collection was billed to have these. We need to get email addresses, phone numbers, everything posted here so anybody that cares can contact Paramount about this. Maybe even start a new thread because this is just wrong.

If this becomes policy with Paramount then what happens when they get around to Braveheart, the TREK films, Titanic etc...

:(

If this becomes policy with Paramount then what happens when they get around to Braveheart, the TREK films, Titanic etc...

:(

I'm disappointed in the lack of extras but IF they hadn't promised them, how is this any different than what Sony just did with SPIDER-MAN 1 and 2? :confused:

Technically there's some grain at times (RED OCTOBER has it more than the others but it's always had those issues related to how it was filmed; some sequences look better than others), but I was quite pleased with the transfers and the Dolby TrueHD tracks are fantastic -- RED OCTOBER is just phenomenal sounding.

I have tried emailing Paramount on the extras issues and if I find anything out I will post it here (as I hope anyone else would too).

I think it's because they did advertise them and some people gave away or sold their old dvds. That's false advertising.

I'll waiting until they are sold individually and Fry's has another 2 for $27.00 sale.

Well, here's how dumb I am ... I gave my SD versions (the remastered editions of all four films) to a buddy a couple weeks ago, because I had the HD versions coming, with "all" the extras included.

As the great American poet H. Simpson said ... DOH!

I dumped them all at Gamestop for next to nothing (I do that more to clear disc space than for $$$, since they give hardly anything). I just thought these were somehow safe and would have the extras ported over since they did have the "Special Collector's Edition" artwork and were announced as such.

I think it's an obvious mistake and they meant to include them. Someone just dropped the ball. They better get the exchange program setup...

WOW...this is a cluster****...I was just about to place an order for this set, but with NO extras I'm not paying their asking price... if they don't reissue a new version, they should at least drop the MSRP.

I'm disappointed in the lack of extras but IF they hadn't promised them, how is this any different than what Sony just did with SPIDER-MAN 1 and 2?

Nuh-uh. No "IF" games here. Sony didn't advertise extras for those films, Paramount did. Plain and simple. No need to try and drag another company into this situation.

The problem will most likely be fixed quickly and replacement discs issued to those who purchased.

No extras? Come on Paramount!

Try boiling them, maybe then they will appear :D

I wonder though why everyone is so excited about them including True HD if supposedly you won't be able to tell the difference between True HD and DD+.

Paramount, shame on you, you should have included a DD+ track and those extra's :rolleyes:

OOops! :eek:

Maybe the extras are hidden like Easter Eggs where you have to hunt for them.

Mitch, don't be silly. That old boiling trick only works on combos. :)

The problem will most likely be fixed quickly and replacement discs issued to those who purchased.

I highly doubt that. It'd be a lot cheaper for them to simply pull the set and re-do all the packaging. If the audio & video were mastered for the whole 30GB's, I doubt they'd re-do that whole deal for the extras (though I'd love it if they did).

Nuh-uh. No "IF" games here. Sony didn't advertise extras for those films, Paramount did. Plain and simple. No need to try and drag another company into this situation.

Actually, "Chuck", I'm not playing a "game" with you. I was responding to Dave's implication (as I read it) that every future big Paramount release wasn't going to have extras on it, and that going format neutral had something to do with this...and my point is, they aren't the only ones not putting extras on HD optical product at this point in time.

Is that controversial to you? If so, I don't apologize, LOL. :p

I put a call in to Brenda Ciccone over at Paramount and will report back what I hear.

~Josh

Ok, I am going to indulge myself and be sarcastic: Paramount just suppressed the supplements on this Jack Ryan set to see if they could get away with it, the whole maneouver (hark, ye fans of STTNG) being just a rehearsal of what they are planning to do on the Start Trek set. Come on, Paramount, show us the love!

Sorry, but I am in the mood for sarcasm tonight, so here is another one. The supplements are encoded on the discs. They are just a couple of firmwares away! (Note: I am format neutral, I love both HD DVD and BD, and this not HD DVD bashing).

I just got my Jack Ryan collection today (ordered it from Wal-mart.com) – The reports are correct, no special features… I put in Red October and it looks and sounds great.

Has anyone tried to manually cycle through audio tracks to see if the commentaries are available that way?

Has anyone tried to manually cycle through audio tracks to see if the commentaries are available that way?

Yes I have and no they aren't.

I believe originally, Top Gun was going to have the dvd extras and those plans were scrapped late in the game. I'm thinking the same thing happened here, except they forgot to correct the packaging. I think they'll quietly release the set with corrected packaging showing no features.

And this might be their new policy for catalog features.
Great.
We were better off when they were neutral.


:(

Paramount need to know that this **** just ain't on. Top Gun I didn't mind because it's hardly the deepest flick, but I was looking forward to reacquainting myself with the Jack Ryan movies and their extras after having sold the DVD set (and not for much, I might add).

I've restricted myself to four Fox Blu-ray titles because of their appalling attitude to preserving extra features, and if the folks on the mount keep this up then they'll also be getting less of my cash. If I can hold off from buying Robocop, then I can hold off from getting pretty much anything else. :D

I'll give Paramount a pass this time because I'm still on a high from Transformers, but it's a worrying sign of things to (possibly) come. And I was just thinking what The Mack posted above: we were better off when they did both formats.

Honestly, I'm not trying to format bash, Paramount going exclusive was a big reason I went neutral.

:)

And I was just thinking what The Mack posted above: we were better off when they did both formats.


+3

I like having a choice, especially when one choice gets strip mined of features. Maybe you could make a disc space argument for the features, but you can't tell me they couldn't squeeze in one or two 192k bitrate commentary tracks.

Sorry, but I am in the mood for sarcasm tonight, so here is another one. The supplements are encoded on the discs. They are just a couple of firmwares away! (Note: I am format neutral, I love both HD DVD and BD, and this not HD DVD bashing).


How about...

The supplements are on the disc, but you can only see them if you own a BD-player...DOHH :D Not exclusive after all? :p

doh

I'll get them without the extras. I mean I've seen all these movies on sd with the extras. Enough. Unless they added interactive features the movie in HD DVD alone will be just fine. Now if the price included (presumptively) the extras then that would p me off.

The price of the set is the one saving grace for me. If I take the price I've paid and divide by four, they work out at a good £3 (that's $6 to the North American colonies) cheaper than what I've been paying for standalone catalogue titles. That's softened the blow, but Paramount are still taking the piss.

Try boiling them, maybe then they will appear :D

I wonder though why everyone is so excited about them including True HD if supposedly you won't be able to tell the difference between True HD and DD+.

Paramount, shame on you, you should have included a DD+ track and those extra's :rolleyes:

Or all of the above + IME like Warner does

I put a call in to Brenda Ciccone over at Paramount and will report back what I hear.

~Josh

I can hardly wait. ;)

my main thing is i want the movies. i understand how people can be upset over this. No plans on canceling my amazon order though. I want to ask though what extra features were planned? Is it just commentaries?

[...waits for single copy of "Red October" to appear on Ebay...]

Ok, I am going to indulge myself and be sarcastic: Paramount just suppressed the supplements on this Jack Ryan set to see if they could get away with it, the whole maneouver (hark, ye fans of STTNG) being just a rehearsal of what they are planning to do on the Start Trek set. Come on, Paramount, show us the love!
So what your trying to say is that the supplements are on the 3rd layer of the 51Gig disc and when the firmware for it comes out the supplements will show up. ;)

How about...

The supplements are on the disc, but you can only see them if you own a BD-player...DOHH :D Not exclusive after all? :p

How about.... You not troll?

my main thing is i want the movies. i understand how people can be upset over this. No plans on canceling my amazon order though. I want to ask though what extra features were planned? Is it just commentaries?

There were commentaries and various featurettes.

If I hadn't trusted their specs and basically gave away my DVD versions of the SEs, I wouldn't really care. I already own almost all of the catalog titles I've re-purchased on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray and since most of the recycled supplemts are in 480i anyway on some of these titles, I have no problem hanging onto the DVDs. I'm mainly pissed that I was stupid and trusted announced specs in this case. I would've liked to have at least kept the commentaries in my collection.

I wasn't upset with the lack of supplements on Top Gun, because I can just hang on to the DVD set. I think it's ridiculous that they weren't included, but, personally, it only affects me by forcing me to not be able to lose some shelf space.

I did read a previous post where the need for supplements on Top Gun was somewhat discounted - trust me, if you haven't seen the Top Gun supplements, it is a BIG loss. That was one of the best produced set of featurettes (really one lengthy documentary broken up into various chapters) I had seen the year it was released. The DVD is a REALLY great set.

I'll look for some Paramount contact info and ask if they can give me back my DVDs... :cool:

How about...

The supplements are on the disc, but you can only see them if you own a BD-player...DOHH :D Not exclusive after all? :p

Ironic since there's very little anymore from Paramount that can be seen on a BD-player...DOHH :D

Yeah, I don't really miss the extras all that much. I just would like to get what I paid for, or maybe just a free HD DVD voucher from Paramount for saying "oops, we forgot". I still think the movies look and sound pretty damn good, just should be a little cheaper without the extras.

Plain and simple, whether the discs now being supplement free is just a screwup or intentional and Paramount's new policy, it's still FALSE ADVERTISING as it stands now. Wanna skimp on the extras? Cool. Just be up front about it.

I canceled my order. If Paramount offers replacement discs with the promised extras, I'll consider getting them. Or if they're on sale at some point, maybe I'll get them and keep the DVD set.

I really hope this isn't the start of a Fox-like trend with Paramount. It already happened with Top Gun.

Plain and simple, whether it's a screwup or intentional, it's FALSE ADVERTISING as it stands now. Wanna skimp on the extras? Cool. Just be up front about it.

Agreed.

These are some of the only movies where i actually cared about listening to the commentaries. I love Tom Clancy's books and I liked the movies (although not as good as the books) and i wanted to hear his thoughts on them. Now....eh..ill probably still buy them but it is really disappointing.

I canceled my order. If Paramount offers replacement discs with the promised extras, I'll consider getting them. Or if they're on sale at some point, maybe I'll get them and keep the DVD set.

I really hope this isn't the start of a Fox-like trend with Paramount. It already happened with Top Gun.
Canceled my order too - until we get some answers.

How many think it's just a menu authoring problem and that the extras are actually burned on the discs?

I had this down to purchase, but I'm waiting to hear what the deal is.

Supposedly the commentaries are definitely NOT on the discs as toggling through the audio tracks shows they just ain't there.

Supposedly the commentaries are definitely NOT on the discs as toggling through the audio tracks shows they just ain't there.

Did they use 15gb discs or 30gb? With no extras at all, I'm sure they could fit the movies on 15s.

hmm I thought people were mad because paramount decided to not include the extras. Then I find out that its because its printed on the box that they are there when they arent. Now i wont be getting it only because I know they will probably reissue it WITH the extras. Unless they announce an exchange program, ill wait.

Did they use 15gb discs or 30gb? With no extras at all, I'm sure they could fit the movies on 15s.

Well, I think all of the movies are 2hr+, and aren't they supposed to have TrueHD?

That would be enough to warrant a 30GB I think, even if it doesn't need all of it.

I'm cancelling my preorder. I'll gladly get these with the supplements, but I'm not spending that kind of money for barebones discs.

It's also sounding to me like there was some sort of error here -- to put the commentaries on the packaging but not on the discs sounds fishy. I'll wait to see how this turns out. Maybe Paramount will repress the discs, corrected with the supplements?

(Note to Paramount: that's the only way you'll get my $$$)

Plain and simple, whether it's a screwup or intentional, it's FALSE ADVERTISING as it stands now. Wanna skimp on the extras? Cool. Just be up front about it.

You actually think it's intentional? For what possible reason would you conclude that?

This sure isn't the first time a studio has screwed up on a DVD pressing and it sure won't be the last...and nearly EVERY studio has made a mistake in the world of DVD at last I checked.

I think you are too hung up on conspiracy theories my friend ;) They made a mistake, let them correct it. Those who had it pre-ordered I'd cancel it until they get this worked out.

It will take sometime to get over no extras.........OK done :)
I want these extras or not.

You actually think it's intentional? For what possible reason would you conclude that?

This sure isn't the first time a studio has screwed up on a DVD pressing and it sure won't be the last...and nearly EVERY studio has made a mistake in the world of DVD at last I checked.

I think you are too hung up on conspiracy theories my friend ;) They made a mistake, let them correct it. Those who had it pre-ordered I'd cancel it until they get this worked out.

Dm, I actually meant that the fact that the discs are barebones being a screwup or intentional. Not hinting at a conspiracy. Just my wording. Re-edited my above post for clarification.

:)

What ridiculous is that Paramount is still not commenting on this. A response of "sorry the boxes were wrong" or "sorry the discs were pressed wrong and we will reissue" would be nice.

Dm, I actually meant that the fact that the discs are barebones being a screwup or intentional. Not hinting at a conspiracy. Just my wording. Re-edited my above post for clarification.

:)

Aaaahhh, gotcha Dave, no problems :)

FWIW I have emailed Paramount directly and they are aware of the problems...probably figuring out what to do at this point.

Cool, bro!
I'm not THAT out there!

;)

I dumped them all at Gamestop for next to nothing (I do that more to clear disc space than for $$$, since they give hardly anything). I just thought these were somehow safe and would have the extras ported over since they did have the "Special Collector's Edition" artwork and were announced as such.

I think it's an obvious mistake and they meant to include them. Someone just dropped the ball. They better get the exchange program setup...

I doubt it was a mistake if the menu is setup that way.
The mistake would be showing the extras on the menu and not being able to access them.

Sadly, the mistake is someone using SD artwork when they didn't want to include the features in the first place.

No sale for me.

I really hope this isn't the start of a Fox-like trend with Paramount. It already happened with Top Gun.

I seem to remember Paramount being notorious for two things on DVD:

1) lack of extras (i.e. bare bones releases)
2) lack of uncut version (i.e. R-rated only versions in Friday the 13th Ultimate Box Set, for example)

Don't worry because they're also notorious for the double dip.

If I knew that they had maxed out the bitrate on the audio and video for the actual films, and not allowed any more room for the extras, then I'd be fine with that. I've watched Red October and part of Patriot Games so far - and they do apppear to be pretty nice transfers. I appreciate the TrueHD tracks, too. But it they left room for all the extras and THEN left them off - that would be another story.

I seem to remember Paramount being notorious for two things on DVD:

1) lack of extras (i.e. bare bones releases)
2) lack of uncut version (i.e. R-rated only versions in Friday the 13th Ultimate Box Set, for example)

Don't worry because they're also notorious for the double dip.

They were also notorious for a lack of DTS support. They seem to be going down that same road with day-and-date titles missing Dolby TrueHD tracks.

I'm cancelling my preorder. I'll gladly get these with the supplements, but I'm not spending that kind of money for barebones discs.

:confused:

These are some of the cheapest high def discs I've ever seen.

:confused:

Personally, I think this is a real ****-up, and a poor show by Paramount.

However, whilst I like films to have extras when they're my favourite films, I tend not to watch them/listen to them if they're not absolutely up there.

Had Paramount announced them at this price with no extras, at this price, I'd have snapped them up. I might wait a few days to see what Paramount say, but ultimately if they just shrug their shoulders, I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face for the sake of extras I'd personally never access, for the sake of what may simply turn out to be a printing error.

If you're a big fan of the films, and would want to access the extras, I feel for you...

...but on the other hand, if you're that big a fan, won't you have the SD DVDs with all the extras on already (the ones that were supposed to be on the discs looked like ports from the SD versions)?

And if you insist on the extras, for the record, buying both HD DVD & SD versions would cost you a total of $103 from Amazon - that's $25.75 a film with the extras (and SD DVD versions for the bedroom TV). The RoboCop Blu-ray Disc is $28, and for that you don't get the promised extras.

I'm not saying this excuses Paramount anything, but I just thought I'd add a little perspective.

Steve W

Dvdfile has posted their review of the set. It comes highly recommended, despite the apparent absence of the aforementioned extra's.

Review (http://dvdfile.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6324&Itemid=3)

I hope Paramount doesn't turn out to be another Fox of HD DVD. :mad:

Very few releases, bare bones, useless or no lossless audio, high cost, ... hey wait, no one can touch Fox in that department.:p

It's funny, because Paramount used to be the studio that treated it's supplements the best by providing HD supplements and often a 2nd disc to house them.

Their whole response to the space restriction of HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray was that they'd just add another disc if needed. Instead, their first two "exclusive" catalog releases have dropped every supplement that existed on the DVD. It feels like Sony's Blu-Ray single-layer launch titles all over again (although, at least some of those titles included some of the DVD supplements).

Steve W/Pecker,

I'm with you. I couldn't care less about having extras but I will wait and see what is up with this situation before I order. If they say they cut them and the packaging is messed up then fine. However, if the extras are supposed to be there and they will release correct discs then I'll wait before buying so I get the "finished" product.

How about.... You not troll?

troll? it's called sarcasm ;)

Good movies, but not my favorites. If they were available separately, or the box set was cheaper, I might consider. But the lack of all the promised extras and high price seals it. No sale.

Why does Paramount's screwup become another bash FOX thread?
They have their issues but at least are getting better with extras now. Paramount is going the other way with Top Gun and now this...

Why does Paramount's screwup become another bash FOX thread?
They have their issues but at least are getting better with extras now. Paramount is going the other way with Top Gun and now this...

It's the way of life on the HD-DVD forum. Any time something lame happens to the format the latest trend is to shout "Fox"! Like that somehow makes it better.

Ironically Fox is wiping the floor with Paramount. Yes Fox took 6 months off this year but they still managed to put out more releases than Paramount. And they included lossless audio on every single title.

Paramount has proven themselves to be the bottom of the hi-def barrel.

What is the bit rate of the DD+ track?

It's the way of life on the HD-DVD forum. Any time something lame happens to the format the latest trend is to shout "Fox"! Like that somehow makes it better.

Ironically Fox is wiping the floor with Paramount. Yes Fox took 6 months off this year but they still managed to put out more releases than Paramount. And they included lossless audio on every single title.

Paramount has proven themselves to be the bottom of the hi-def barrel.

Hey, I thought it was pretty funny.

Whatever Fox is getting, they brought it on themselves. Lossless audio that cannot be decoded by 99.9% of the consumers is no better than dts core that most people hear.

Paramount, despite their puzzling disregard for lossless audio, has been putting out some outstanding releases in terms of PQ. Until their recent gaff with Top Gun and Jack Ryan series, they have been pretty good with including extra stuff too. They have some ways to go before displacing Fox from the bottom IMO.

Paramount has proven themselves to be the bottom of the hi-def barrel.


Not even close!! One word... "Transformers"
It will sell more copies than all of Fox's titles combined this year. Lets not let Fox off so easily just yet...they came back and guess what? They delayed 2 of their already announced titles AGAIN! They have a way to go in my book. Fantastic Four:ROSS was a step in the right direction. Baby steps!! ;)

Hey, I thought it was pretty funny.

Whatever Fox is getting, they brought it on themselves. Lossless audio that cannot be decoded by 99.9% of the consumers is no better than dts core that most people hear.

Paramount, despite their puzzling disregard for lossless audio, has been putting out some outstanding releases in terms of PQ. Until their recent gaff with Top Gun and Jack Ryan series, they have been pretty good with including extra stuff too. They have some ways to go before displacing Fox from the bottom IMO.

True, but Fox seems to be getting better lately while Paramount is getting worse.

:confused:

These are some of the cheapest high def discs I've ever seen.

:confused:

I didn't mean to imply that the discs were overpriced or anything. But even with my Amazon discounts, my preorder was over 60 bucks. I'm not paying that for bare-bones discs. That may be cheap relative to other discs, but it's still too much for me.

It's not just the price either. I have an issue buying titles that don't carry over existing supplements.

Had Paramount announced them at this price with no extras, at this price, I'd have snapped them up.

Fair enough. I absolutely wouldn't have, hence me cancelling my preorder.

If you're a big fan of the films, and would want to access the extras, I feel for you...

...but on the other hand, if you're that big a fan, won't you have the SD DVDs with all the extras on already (the ones that were supposed to be on the discs looked like ports from the SD versions)?

And if you insist on the extras, for the record, buying both HD DVD & SD versions would cost you a total of $103 from Amazon - that's $25.75 a film with the extras (and SD DVD versions for the bedroom TV).

I do have the SD versions with the extras already (and it looks like I'm keeping them). Your points are valid, but I have far too many movies in my collection to be picking up multiple versions like this every time a studio decides on a whim to drop supplements. I'm not going to reward Paramount with sixty+ bucks if they're going to be too lazy/stingy/whatever to port over a commentary track.

I said this with Robocop and I'll say it with Jack Ryan. We're talking about commentary tracks and short SD featurettes. There's no reason (other than future double-dips) to not include them.

I'm very disappointed. And I'm not buying.

As far as catalog titles go, Fox did a good job with The Fly and 28 Days Later. They are heading in the right direction, although they are still releasing some catalog titles without all of the SD extras and their catalog prices are still much too high.

Anyway, it's upsetting that Paramount hasn't said anything yet about this debacle. If they simply acknowledge this issue, then I'll happily buy this set even if it still means no extras. I can get this set at a little over $15 per movie, so the lack of extras is not a complete loss to me. This set is still reasonably priced.

Not even close!! One word... "Transformers"
It will sell more copies than all of Fox's titles combined this year.

I highly doubt that. While I know some in this forum would love to pretend that the installed user-base of people who buy Blu-Ray discs isn't larger than HD-DVDs, it is. Fox won't have any problem selling more software than Paramount does with Transformers even though none of their movies will have been as "popular" with theatrical audiences as Transformers was.

Going as far as to say that all of Fox's titles combined throughout the whole year won't sell as many copies as Transformers is just WAY out there. How many units has the best selling to date HD-DVD title sold? Has 300 passed the 100k mark on HD-DVD? The August 250k announcement represented 87,500 HD-DVD units and 162,500 Blu-Ray units. You really think that with "Live Free or Die Hard" and "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" Fox can't beat the sales of one HD-DVD title? I'll bet Die Hard (even with a slap-to-the-face PG-13 rated version) alone outsells Transformers. If it would have been a dual format release, it wouldn't even be close. But, it's not, so....

The only way Transformers can be the best selling HD title across both formats is if it turns out to drive hardware sales and about 20,000 people pick up an HD-DVD player along with a copy of Transformers. I'm not ruling that out as a possibility - I imagine that is the whole point of this exclusivity deal and this title and Shrek are what that money is for. It obviously isn't for a bare bones Jack Ryan Collection that will be lucky to sell 2,000 units. But, it will be very interesting to see if the HD-DVD group gets what they paid for and this release really does help to level the playing field.

I haven't been up to speed on this thread, but I just read the story about what happened with the extras on HidefDigest. If the box claims there are extras and there aren't any at all, I'd say Paramount owes everyone some money. Can't they get in deep sh!t for doing that?

Hey, I thought it was pretty funny.

Whatever Fox is getting, they brought it on themselves. Lossless audio that cannot be decoded by 99.9% of the consumers is no better than dts core that most people hear.

Paramount, despite their puzzling disregard for lossless audio, has been putting out some outstanding releases in terms of PQ. Until their recent gaff with Top Gun and Jack Ryan series, they have been pretty good with including extra stuff too. They have some ways to go before displacing Fox from the bottom IMO.


Paramount has the lowest release count this year of all the majors. Paramount has made several cancellations themselves. Just off the top of my head I can think of Flashdance and Saturday Night Fever. And for the most part they don't include lossless audio. They are not releasing content that they advertise on their artwork.

Paramount has nowhere to go but up. They are the bottom of the barrel.

They are not releasing content that they advertise on their artwork.


To be fair, Disney has done the same. I have the UK version of The Rock, and the back cover lists the missing audio commentary as a feature. Furthermore, they released a few titles with 16-bit PCM tracks even though their back covers list 24-bit. This Paramount situation does have me a bit more peeved though.

I'm postponing my purchase of The Jack Ryan Collection until there are some answers.

As far as catalog titles go, Fox did a good job with The Fly and 28 Days Later. They are heading in the right direction, although they are still releasing some catalog titles without all of the SD extras and their catalog prices are still much too high.

EDWARD SCISSORHANDS isn't so hot and ROBOCOP is crap. Someone that says "Paramount is the bottom of the barrel" evidently hasn't seen the latter!

EDWARD SCISSORHANDS isn't so hot and ROBOCOP is crap. Someone that says "Paramount is the bottom of the barrel" evidently hasn't seen the latter!

I'm sure everyone can go back and forth and throw out examples of lackluster Paramount titles and lackluster Fox distributed titles (even though I've seen plenty of good things written about Edward Scissorhands).

As others have mentioned - and not that I haven't been sucked in and contributed to this - why are we discussing Fox in this thread? I kinda get how it turned into a debate on who is the worst studio supporting an HD format, but it isn't really a "great" debate. Neither Fox or Paramount should be proud of some of these releases and both are releasing product with inconsistent quality (although, Fox does charge more for what they are dishing out) in some regard. Both have exhibited outright laziness on some titles. I think the only thing making Paramount seem worse is that they had really seemed to be one of the good ones. Yeah, they have ignored lossless soundtracks, but they did have a consistent record of at least providing the supplements in HD... But, both have released excellent discs recently (FF4 and Transformers). And both have released stinkers. So, let's just call it a draw.

Fox isn't distributing the Jack Ryan Collection. I'm sure there's a Die Hard Blu-Ray thread around where the degree of Fox's suckiness can be discussed.

I highly doubt that. While I know some in this forum would love to pretend that the installed user-base of people who buy Blu-Ray discs isn't larger than HD-DVDs, it is. Fox won't have any problem selling more software than Paramount does with Transformers even though none of their movies will have been as "popular" with theatrical audiences as Transformers was.

Going as far as to say that all of Fox's titles combined throughout the whole year won't sell as many copies as Transformers is just WAY out there. How many units has the best selling to date HD-DVD title sold? Has 300 passed the 100k mark on HD-DVD? The August 250k announcement represented 87,500 HD-DVD units and 162,500 Blu-Ray units. You really think that with "Live Free or Die Hard" and "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" Fox can't beat the sales of one HD-DVD title? I'll bet Die Hard (even with a slap-to-the-face PG-13 rated version) alone outsells Transformers. If it would have been a dual format release, it wouldn't even be close. But, it's not, so....

The only way Transformers can be the best selling HD title across both formats is if it turns out to drive hardware sales and about 20,000 people pick up an HD-DVD player along with a copy of Transformers. I'm not ruling that out as a possibility - I imagine that is the whole point of this exclusivity deal and this title and Shrek are what that money is for. It obviously isn't for a bare bones Jack Ryan Collection that will be lucky to sell 2,000 units. But, it will be very interesting to see if the HD-DVD group gets what they paid for and this release really does help to level the playing field.

I still don't believe that Fox will sell more. The BD groups largest installed players base is the PS3 and that demographic is not out there buying The Fly,Robocop, or Edward Scissorhands. The software attach rate for BD proves it, they should be selling alot more movies for the amount of systems out there. Not too mention the exhorbitant high prices that B&M stores charge for FOX titles. The BB near me has about 20 copies of FF:ROSS just sitting there. Why? I think the $34.99 sticker has something to do with it. Good luck finding catalog titles from FOX at BB. They only carry new releases and once in awhile they will add a more recent catalog like Day After Tomorrow but forget about their older stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I love FOX's catalog, its my favorite studio by far but it just seems like Paramount has been taking alot of crap lately and I think it has to do with them giving Blu-ray owners the shaft...especially with Transformers being the biggest flip off of all to that group.
Paramount isn't perfect and several studios have cancelled and shifted titles but the only one to take a 5 month break in between was FOX.

300 did outsell HD 2 to 1. I myself own the Blu-ray version but that movie was made for the PS3's demographic. I want to see the catalog titles they are selling format to format. HD was closing the gap about a month ago in total discs sold...I just think Transformers is going to be HUGE! It will sell players thats for sure.

Damn it I just got mine today as well. The outside of the box set makes no mention of special features :confused:... To open....... or to return....... Have we had a response yet from Paramount:confused:.... I would think they will correct this major screw up

yep, paramount screws up yet somehow this turns into another fox sucks thread.
no, paramount is getting worse. top gun, no extras, this set, no extras, if this is a sign of things to come, paramount was better when they were neutral.

:rolleyes:

My order at Amazon has been cancelled.

Anyone who does not want The Sum of All Fears and is willing to sell it to a Canadian, PM me.

Edit: Got one now. :)

Ditto, I would like to buy sum of all fears only.


Again, i still want to buy Sum of all fears if anyone is selling (regardless of extra problems)

I'd just like "Hunt for Red October" I have the dvd so I will have the extras.
Anyone doesn't want theirs, PM me...

:)

I don't understand what all the hubbub is about. I thought the important content were the movies themselves.

On all of the 300+ dvd's I have, I've probably watched the "extras" on half a dozen of them (and most of the time, got bored before I was done looking at them).

I don't understand what all the hubbub is about. I thought the important content were the movies themselves.

On all of the 300+ dvd's I have, I've probably watched the "extras" on half a dozen of them (and most of the time, got bored before I was done looking at them).

Thats why i orderd them. The SF on the SD DVD are of no intrest to me unless they are presented in some kind of U-control on the HD DVDs, like 300 for example.
First and formost the movies for me.

Did Paramount list the extras which are supposed to be included on the backside of the box / individual HDDVD covers / or release specs?

Or is this all about the "Special collector's edition" subtitles of the printed individual movie covers which are printed on the outer box?

I'm just curious and a bit irritated about all this negative press. I didn't cancel my order, and by the way I'm not going to cancel it, because when I ordered the collection I was not aware that any of those 4 movies would contain any extras (nothing advertised).

Did Paramount list the extras which are supposed to be included on the backside of the box / individual HDDVD covers / or release specs?

Or is this all about the "Special collector's edition" subtitles of the printed individual movie covers which are printed on the outer box?

I'm just curious and a bit irritated about all this negative press. I didn't cancel my order, and by the way I'm not going to cancel it, because when I ordered the collection I was not aware that any of those 4 movies would contain any extras (nothing advertised).

I just checked my amazon order and to my suprise these cost me $67.95 -$6.80 (promo) = $61.15 divide by four = $15.28 each!
Thats what i call a ****ing bargain :)

Did Paramount list the extras which are supposed to be included on the backside of the box / individual HDDVD covers / or release specs?

Or is this all about the "Special collector's edition" subtitles of the printed individual movie covers which are printed on the outer box?


This is from DVDfile.com's review...

" Each keepcase lists a number of extras, but the only menu I could find on each disc simply offered the options of pausing, setup, and chapters..."

http://dvdfile.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6324&Itemid=3

I think some people are pissed because they sold off their old DVDs thinking the extras WOULD be included.

This is from DVDfile.com's review...

" Each keepcase lists a number of extras, but the only menu I could find on each disc simply offered the options of pausing, setup, and chapters..."

http://dvdfile.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6324&Itemid=3

I think some people are pissed because they sold off their old DVDs thinking the extras WOULD be included.

Ah, okay. Now this is understandable, if the box / keepcases list supplements which are not on the disc. But to be honest, the better move would have been to keep the old DVDs until the new box was delivered.

However, I think $16 per disc is a bargain, which was the reason why I ordered the box beside the fact that I wanted to have those movies in HD.

To be fair, Disney has done the same. I have the UK version of The Rock, and the back cover lists the missing audio commentary as a feature. Furthermore, they released a few titles with 16-bit PCM tracks even though their back covers list 24-bit. This Paramount situation does have me a bit more peeved though.


So far I have not ventured into buying imports. I figure anything released overseas will eventually be released here. I guess if a title comes that I absolutely love then maybe I would buy an import.

When it comes to extras, im one of those who like them. But it rarely effect my purchase descision of HDM.

1. If it is a catalouge title, I usually have the DVD version already, with all the extras.
2. My hometheater setup is connected to the projector, its rare that I watch extras on it.
3. Most extras is junk, mostly promomaterial.

Of the companys that is out there i think Warner is one of the more intersting company when it comes to extras. The extras on some of their disc are worth the purchase on its own. Like Robin Hood, when they even added robin hood cartoons.

The other extras im intrested in is when they release a newly produced doc with fresh interviews of filmmakers, actros etc. Thats something I like.

So for Jack Ryan collection i dont really care as long as the price is right.

I think the false advertisement is another huge blunder by Paramount. They just cannot get their act together.

That being said, I personally don't care about extras at all, it is all about the movies for me and I will not be cancelling my order for this. I just hope they really did include lossless audio as the artwork states.

I think the false advertisement is another huge blunder by Paramount. They just cannot get their act together.

That being said, I personally don't care about extras at all, it is all about the movies for me and I will not be cancelling my order for this. I just hope they really did include lossless audio as the artwork states.
I would not go so far to say that they cannot get their act together, and that's a "huge blunder". Sh!t happens in every business, I've yet to see a studio/company which doesn't make mistakes.

I would not go so far to say that they cannot get their act together, and that's a "huge blunder". Sh!t happens in every business, I've yet to see a studio/company which doesn't make mistakes.


I think it is pretty huge when many people are cancelling their orders for your product.

Paramount really does need to get their hi-def act together. They are being left in the dust by the other studios. They definitely need to ramp up their release schedule. They have such a huge catalog of movies, many that I would buy.

It is alarming that even while releasing so few hi-def titles they cannot even get those right.

I can't believe this is such a big deal to people. Personally, I don't watch extras on more than 1 of every 20 or so discs I buy. Not a big deal at all.

How's the picture and audio? That's what I care about.

I don't understand what all the hubbub is about. I thought the important content were the movies themselves.

Different strokes. No one is saying the movies themselves aren't "the important content". But a LOT of people care about extras -- otherwise, they wouldn't exist in the first place.

I'm OK with bare bones releases for titles that don't have extras created. (Streets of Fire, for example, has nothin'). But when there's already commentary tracks floating around out there, to not port them over to HD is unacceptable.


Paramount has apparently told DVDEmpire that this was a mistake and that the extras were supposed to be removed from screener copies only. We'll see. This is looking more and more like an error at manufacture. I'm hoping that this can get corrected and we'll have proper copies at retail in a month or two.

Here's the official Paramount response to DVDEmpire. Looks like they're recalling it to change the packaging:

Please be advised that there are typographical errors on the packaging for the Jack Ryan Special Collector's Edition HD-DVD. The packaging inadvertently notes special features that are not on the HD-DVD.

As a result, this product is being recalled and street date is being delayed. We ask that you do not sell or rent this product to consumers and that you stop shipments to additional destinations. A Paramount Home Entertainment Representative will contact you with an RA number to facilitate sending the product back to Paramount Home Entertainment's manufacturing facility. Returned product should include any unit previously shipped to retailers or other destinations as well as your on-hand inventory.

We will provide further information on the availability of new product shortly.

Should you have any further questions, please contact a Paramount Home Entertainment Representative.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

^^ That's the right thing to do...

Thanks to Wal-mart.com, I have my copies sitting right here.. which are now a collector’s item I guess :-)

Here's the official Paramount response to DVDEmpire. Looks like they're recalling it to change the packaging:

So this tells me that they will leave the special features off the set and just issue new cover art. Is this how you guys are interpreting this as well?

~Josh

So this tells me that they will leave the special features off the set and just issue new cover art. Is this how you guys are interpreting this as well?

~Josh

Yes.

This packaging was supposed to go out 6 months from now. You know, on the double dip... I can see it now: Ultimate Jack Ryan Collection. Paramount is really good at this stuff.

I don't buy bare bones discs and it is one of reasons I'm not interested in Blu-ray.

:rolleyes:

(post deleted) remains to be seen how Paramount will correct this.

So this tells me that they will leave the special features off the set and just issue new cover art. Is this how you guys are interpreting this as well?

~Josh

Yup. It's exactly what I wrote would happen....perhaps the issue isn't the discs but the packaging in the first place.

^^ That's the right thing to do...

Thanks to Wal-mart.com, I have my copies sitting right here.. which are now a collector’s item I guess :-)

My feelings on what would be the right thing to do is that they should recall the discs and replace them with discs that actually have the features.

Paramount should just send everyone who bought the set a bottle of White Out so they can just dab a little on the part of the package that mentions special features. Will save them money in the long run.

Paramount should just send everyone who bought the set a bottle of White Out so they can just dab a little on the part of the package that mentions special features. Will save them money in the long run.
They should press a standard DVD with some HDi code which allows you to download the missing supplements. This way they only need to add a sticker on the package "Web enabled extras available for download, just insert your advanced interactivity DVD into the player". This would be really cool, and brilliant from a marketing point of view.

This is officially now a collectors item after the recall, expect these to go on Ebay as very rare for $200+

The Paramount note tells us it was a typographical error, not disc content error. I'm betting they will simply reprint the insert packaging and ship them again. And, if that's what they do, they will probably need to reduce the price of the set a bit, just to apease the angry mob.

Mark

Well they would have to lower the price a bit I think.

Well they would have to lower the price a bit I think.

What is this with the constant reference to the price.

IT'S VERY CHEAP!

MSRP is $100. That's $25 per film. Most other catalogue titles are released at $30 MSRP. $40 if it's Fox!

Amazon's price is $68, which is $17 per film. I can't see any other new releases for $17 each (not in a sale).

Steve W

My feelings on what would be the right thing to do is that they should recall the discs and replace them with discs that actually have the features.

exactly.
And release them individually as well.
Many don't want all 4 films.

Well, they've recalled them, so those of you who have one might want to get your Ebay listing ready.

It sounds like they are claiming the packaging is in error, not the lack of special features, though.

I'm really pissed. I want the set now, as is. Don't care at all about the extras.

Some may remember Paramount's release of the Star Trek: Generations SCE. It listed a special feature the disc did not have. They just re-did the art on that one.

I highly doubt Paramount is going to trash the current disc and repress to have the extras put on.

Well i was able to order it today and it shipped, so im happy. I dont mind not having the extras. Yeah id like to see them but for $63 thats only $15.75 per movie. Not bad since its HD and you know even if they release them separate with no extras, they will be at the very least $20 each.

My set has been posted, so I'll get them shortly. I'd probably send mine back if Paramount recalled them to include the extras, but this scenario doesn't look likely given what DVDEmpire have relayed to us.

Even if the extras have been left off due to error, it would certainly be cheaper to re-print the covers rather than junk the existing discs and start again.

And although I don't want to stoke the fires some more, I've gotta say that Paramount are still above Fox in my estimation. :D

I think some people are pissed because they sold off their old DVDs thinking the extras WOULD be included.

That's certainly the case with me. I sold off my old versions in anticipation of this set. :mad:

If I had known they were gonna be bare bones, I would have just hung onto the SD versions and created my own special editions (stick the SD disc in a paper sleeve and slip it into the HD-DVD case) so I'd have the HD movie and the extras. That is what I often do when rebuying a movie on HD and extras are dropped. Saves shelf space and gives the obsessive collector in me peace of mind.

Eh. Not movies I would watch, but its not like these are $40 FOX discs.

So I guess this is why fye cancelled my order...

also appears as though amazon removed the set from the website...

That's certainly the case with me. I sold off my old versions in anticipation of this set. :mad:

If I had known they were gonna be bare bones, I would have just hung onto the SD versions and created my own special editions (stick the SD disc in a paper sleeve and slip it into the HD-DVD case) so I'd have the HD movie and the extras. That is what I often do when rebuying a movie on HD and extras are dropped. Saves shelf space and gives the obsessive collector in me peace of mind.

if they release again with no extras, i will skip them just as i have for other stripped down catalog releases (top gun).

imo if they don't release the discs with the extras you should complain to paramount customer service and maybe they will do something to make things right for you.

For the price we're talking about for these (~$17 per movie), I'm not too worried about extras.

Gross incompetence...for the most part I didn't care if they included the extras or not. It would have been nice, but I can be happy with just the movies. To have a mass recall because of something silly like the wrong packaging is pretty lame.

I hope Paramount does better on future high profile box sets. I had this one on my Amazon pre-order list for next week; it is now gone. I'm quite disappointed that we have to wait until the correct cardboard gets used :( OR is it that extras were planned, not executed, and no one bothered to tell the print shop. Either way, Paramount was pretty sloppy on this one, especially since it was already delayed and re-scheduled.

I wonder if their print dept. can handle getting new labeling printed up in time for Christmas? :rolleyes:

Web interactivity to get the extras works for me....
ss9001

For the price we're talking about for these (~$17 per movie), I'm not too worried about extras.

imo $10 is enough to pay for glorified superbit releases with no extras. i skip them all until there is a big sale someplace.

Anyone know where it's still being pre-shipped ;)? If so, plz send PM me where I can find it.

Box set recalled.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Paramount/Technical_Glitches/Paramount_Recalls_Jack_Ryan_HD_DVD/1084

walmart.com still has them in stock and shipping:D

I highly doubt Paramount is going to trash the current disc and repress to have the extras put on.

It certainly doesn't sound like it. Their recall notice made the "error" sound like it was with the packaging, not the discs. It sounds like they are just going to change the packaging.

They will probably just slap stickers over the special feature listings and send them back out.

walmart.com shipped my order yesterday.

It certainly doesn't sound like it. Their recall notice made the "error" sound like it was with the packaging, not the discs. It sounds like they are just going to change the packaging.

They will probably just slap stickers over the special feature listings and send them back out.

Or slap the SD releases in the box and hope nobody notices.

First Top Gun and now this.
The big picture is that it looks like catalog titles from Paramount will from now on likely be bare bones.
That sucks with Braveheart, Titanic, Trek movies, Godfather films potentially coming up.

:(

First Top Gun and now this.
The big picture is that it looks like catalog titles from Paramount will from now on likely be bare bones.
That sucks with Braveheart, Titanic, Trek movies, Godfather films potentially coming up.

Do you really think they'll treat something like Titanic or the Godfather films the way they would Top Gun?

Do you really think they'll treat something like Titanic or the Godfather films the way they would Top Gun?


Why not? I get that Top Gun doesn't get much respect and is somehow deemed by some to be "unworthy" of special treatment, but it IS a huge movie and a big title in Paramount's library. And it did get great treatment on DVD.

First Top Gun and now this.
The big picture is that it looks like catalog titles from Paramount will from now on likely be bare bones.
That sucks with Braveheart, Titanic, Trek movies, Godfather films potentially coming up.

:(

I wouldn't worry too much. DVDTown just received their HD DVD copy of Face/Off, and all of the extras are there in glorious HD.

Just got a request from Paramount that we remove existing artwork and that "revised" artwork will be available shortly.

So it looks like there's a 99% chance that they'll still be releasing this set bare-bones. :(


Looks like it may very well just be a repackage.

Do you really think they'll treat something like Titanic or the Godfather films the way they would Top Gun?

Not sure, TV.
Paramount is releasing Titanic AGAIN on dvd now, 3rd time. A triple dip.
Wouldn't surprise me if they start double dipping in HD.
top gun made $176 million back in 1986. if you adjusted that for inflation, that would be approx. $313 million today. That's huge and yet they gave it a barebones release.

First Top Gun and now this.
The big picture is that it looks like catalog titles from Paramount will from now on likely be bare bones.
That sucks with Braveheart, Titanic, Trek movies, Godfather films potentially coming up.

:(

It sounds like they got the emails from BD fanboys and HD DVD fanboys mixed up. Paramount, HD DVD fanboys want the extras! It's the BD fanboys who want only the main feature with lossless audio!:D

What about us neutral folks!?!?!?

We want it ALL....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


;)

Well I got my set today from you know who....I decided to start off with the first one tonight and hopefully finish the rest off by Sunday night.

The Hunt For Red October:The PQ is adequate for an 18 year old film...geez has it been that long already? Detail is very good for the most part and alot of scenes show pop and depth to them but there are a few scenes which tend to look flat...most take place in buildings...all the interior sub shots look spectacular. Different film stock perhaps, or maybe the lighting conditions? One other nitpick is there is a little bit of banding in the underwater shots, nothing on the level of Superman Returns but it was noticeable on my 61" set so others with bigger screens are sure to see it.
The TrueHD audio packs a lot more punch than what I though it would. I just don't remember the DVD being so detailed in its surround usage...quite a bit of ambient and atmoshere surrounds and the LFE in this one packs a wallop...not Transformers level but still quite excellent for a film from 1990. Kudos to Paramount for its TrueHD track usage in these older films...this film in particular benefits greatly from it.

Ok...I took a sneaky peaky at the other 3 films..im not going into great details but...I will post more detailed reviews after watching in their entirety.

Patriot Games:Looks mighty fine!! Sharp as a tack and tremendous pic depth.Very fine looking indeed. LFE was phenomenal in the 2 scenes
I watched.

Clear & Present Danger:WOW! It just keeps getting better. Okay I checked out the motorcade ambush scene and a few of the jungle scenes. SPECTACULAR!! Oh is this baby pretty. Sharp as hell and lots of pop! Very pretty looking disc!

Sum of All Fears:EEEKS! WTF happened here? This thing is crawling with digital noise and I mean in almost every scene I checked out! SEVERE NOISE!! Ghosting, haloing, smearing!! This looks like a bad MPEG2 computer file. Anyone else's disc doing this? It looks hi-def but oh geez is it painful on the eyes.
Sounded great though. I wonder if this is a bad pressed disc?

Is there a final update on this? Are the extras supposed to be there or not? :confused:

Is there a final update on this? Are the extras supposed to be there or not? :confused:

I think it's been confirmed many times over that they aren't there.

Whether they were ever supposed to be there pretty much doesn't matter anymore - at this point, they aren't there and it doesn't sound like they are going to be there when the discs get sent back out. I guess Paramount could change their minds and repress the discs, but I'd be surprised.

I never checked out the supplements before I traded away my DVDs, but I went and checked out the DVD Talk reviews for those discs and they gave very low scores to the supplements on those discs. I was about to see how much I'd be out to get the DVDs back, but after reading those reviews, I don't even care anymore.

I think it's been confirmed many times over that they aren't there.


Agreed; wasn't disputing that. ;)


Whether they were ever supposed to be there pretty much doesn't matter anymore - at this point, they aren't there and it doesn't sound like they are going to be there when the discs get sent back out. I guess Paramount could change their minds and repress the discs, but I'd be surprised.

This is what I was wondering. I'm curious if the disc were missing data, or the packaging was incorrect. I'm guessing that they will not be there going forward as well, I was just curious as to where the fault was.


I never checked out the supplements before I traded away my DVDs, but I went and checked out the DVD Talk reviews for those discs and they gave very low scores to the supplements on those discs. I was about to see how much I'd be out to get the DVDs back, but after reading those reviews, I don't even care anymore.

This was my other thought ... were the supplements supposed to be there? I was trying to find some information on reviews or press releases where they announced what the discs would contain. If they never announced the extra content, then people shouldn't be dissappointed. It seems to me though that someone somewhere made a pretty major goof regardless.

I wouldn't worry too much. DVDTown just received their HD DVD copy of Face/Off, and all of the extras are there in glorious HD.

Thanks for the info! Not having received my shipping notice yet, I was worrying if we were getting the Deluxe Collector's One-Disc Barebones Edition of Face/Off. Not that I'm that upset about the Ryan Collection, since I've seen the extras and I'm not that impressed, but F/O is a different story!

Maybe they held it up so Inspector 32 could check to make sure the second disc was in each package. :D

Amazon just canceled my order for the collection.

Though we had expected to be able to send this item to you, we've since found that it is not available from any of our sources at this time. We realize this is disappointing news to hear, and we apologize for the inconvenience we have caused you.

We have cancelled this item from your order.

Same here, amazon cancelled my order. Looks like this will be unofficially delayed due to not having stock of the corrected item at the time of release :(

Amazon cancelled my order too. :( Damnit! I was really looking forward to watching these next week.

I believe Paramount is correcting the issue as we discuss..

I believe Paramount is correcting the issue as we discuss..

Correcting the packaging or correcting the discs? Big difference between the two.

I believe Paramount is correcting the issue as we discuss..

I think Paramount should lower the price on the re-issue (with updated artwork) just to make up for this screw-up. Perhaps a recall is the right thing to do -- but to wait only a few days before release? That is incompetence.

I will now have to re-order with Amazon when it comes available -- and have to pay the newer high shipping fees to Canada. Or maybe I'll pass and go for rental. Toshiba paid $150mil in promotional considerations for what? For just Transformers? It seems that way. Paramount needs to get its act together, and actually release titles, not recall them.

I think Paramount should lower the price on the re-issue (with updated artwork) just to make up for this screw-up. Perhaps a recall is the right thing to do -- but to wait only a few days before release? That is incompetence.

I will now have to re-order with Amazon when it comes available -- and have to pay the newer high shipping fees to Canada. Or maybe I'll pass and go for rental. Toshiba paid $150mil in promotional considerations for what? For just Transformers? It seems that way. Paramount needs to get its act together, and actually release titles, not recall them.

No doubt incompetence was at fault with the Jack Ryan screw-up. But as for the Paramount exclusivity deal: Give them a little time, will ya? The deal was inked less than 2 months ago. What did you expect to have seen by now?

We're getting Face/Off, Shrek 3, Old School, Anchorman, Star Trek S1, Stardust before Christmas, and strongly rumored to be due in 2008 are Braveheart, The Godfather, Saturday Night Fever, Grease, more Trek seasons/movies. Let's wait and see a little longer before we start condemning the studio for not releasing titles.

Mine should be on its way from wally-world today.

I don't care about the cardboard just want the movies...;)

If by remote chance it's re-released with xtras, well, I guess I lose on the gamble.

When one considers that there's certainly a QC procedure in place, that all artwork probably had to be approved by the hi-def marketing dept. and that SURELY the final package was checked by "someone in authority" before shipping, it is safe to say Paramount royally screwed the pooch. Incompetence is an appropriate description.

It does lead one to wonder if extras were planned from the beginning then dropped and the "someone in authority" forgot to tell the artwork & printing depts.

I really think these originally were planned to have the special features like previous Paramount catalog titles and then they changed their mind. Same with Top Gun.That film made $176 million back in '86 which if asjusted for inflation today would be over $300 million! Yet it gets barebones...


:(

Yep, sure glad we got all the extras & interactivity Paramount put such a high value on :rolleyes:

What should be clear as day to them is they'd better do Star Trek & Indy Jones movies right or there will be a mass revolt in the HD-DVD camp. :( They'll only get one shot with those. Disappoint us on these and their track record with bare bones titles & credibility will be = Fox.

Too bad this happened on this collection and Top Gun. Since Transformers & the MI box set were so loaded, we know they can do deluxe editions. So what happened with these is a real good question. High profile movies don't come out of Hollywood's vaults everyday. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in their hi-def dept. when they got questioned on the recall by upper mgmt. Eating the costs and the negative publicity might cause some fur to fly ;)

Warner Bro. & Sony still get my vote as the best hi-def studios regardless of format. They've been the most consistent.

I just left a message on the Consumer Relations voicemail at Paramount Home Entertainment. I asked point-blank, if the recall is to correct the paper inserts and packaging or, if we will actually be getting true Special Edition versions of the Jack Ryan films. Hopefully, I'll get a response by early next week.

Mark

Top Gun. One of the biggest films of 1986.
barebones...
mmmhmm...

Amazon cancelled my order.... just placed one on walmart.com :)

I really think these originally were planned to have the special features like previous Paramount catalog titles and then they changed their mind. Same with Top Gun.That film made $176 million back in '86 which if asjusted for inflation today would be over $300 million! Yet it gets barebones...


:(

Actually Top Gun's case art for the back cover was released a few months before the release (they even had the Blu-ray back cover) and it had no special features listed. I dont think they ever planned on having special features for Top Gun. Here, take a look at the Blu-ray back cover that never got released.
http://www.axelmusic.com/resources/covers/back/097361305646.jpg

Thanks, Tim!
Well, that explains some.
Weird how they would give some catalog titles like "The Warriors" good bonus features and then stiff a huge film like Top Gun.

Thanks, Tim!
Well, that explains some.
Weird how they would give some catalog titles like "The Warriors" good bonus features and then stiff a huge film like Top Gun.

Since they clearly already had extras ready from previous editions, it's not cost to create them, but probably either cost cutting moves to save putting them on a 2nd disc, or laziness or not caring about making this release as good as it could be. Same attitude as Fox. Maybe they did a cost/sales analysis and decided the potential sales were not worth the effort & cost.

Whatever the reason, it makes all their public comments about their decision to go exclusive so that they can offer the most interactivity, extras, etc, somewhat hypocritical, doesn't it. It's all about the bucks. If including extras doesn't add significantly to their sales, then what's the point? Maybe they figured they needed to add extras to a title like The Warriors to motivate more to buy it. Who really knows.

It's all a game.

I'm really looking forward to this and don't want to wait for a re-announcement. If I order from "u know who" will my order be canceled or shipped??

My order from "u know who" shows as shipped 10/18 - same day I ordered. I don't have a tracking #, but I don't if they just didn't update the order with it or not. I used2-day shipping.

It's all about the bucks. If including extras doesn't add significantly to their sales, then what's the point? Maybe they figured they needed to add extras to a title like The Warriors to motivate more to buy it. Who really knows.
I never looked at it that way, yet it makes perfect (business) sense. Other companies seem to discard extras frequently but they continue to charge a vastly hiked-up price for their HDM product. The market is so small, I guess their thinking is 'why put the effort into the smaller titles for such a pathetic return?'. (Yes Dave, I'm including Top Gun in that bracket. :))

Best get the movie on the shelves first, and, if there's enough demand, release an extras-laden version later when HDM has more market penetration. Brand-new movies are obviously given the full-blown treatment to capture a few headlines within the trade and win a few more converts to HDM.

Why they all can't follow the example of Warner and Universal is beyond me. Those two aren't beyond reproach (Alexander has 640kbps audio - WTF??) but 99% of the time they provide solid-to-spectacular A/V quality plus all previous extras and, where applicable, spiffy interactive goodies too. Now Paramount are starting to disregard extras, and even those titles that are loaded have to sacrifice lossless audio! They'll make Fox look good if they keep on doing what they're doing.

My order from "u know who" shows as shipped 10/18 - same day I ordered. I don't have a tracking #, but I don't if they just didn't update the order with it or not. I used2-day shipping.

Well I placed my order not to long ago and am HOPING it gets shipped. I've been looking forward to this release for a while now and I really don't wanna wait forever just so they can change the packaging and still give us the same disc's. Hoping............hoping.........hoping...........

Got mine on Saturday from "u know who". I'm going to watch them this week and unload it. I should be able to command top dollar for it depending on how long Paramount delays the real release.

Got mine on Saturday from "u know who". I'm going to watch them this week and unload it. I should be able to command top dollar for it depending on how long Paramount delays the real release.

Let me know if your copy of Sum Of All Fears is as crappy looking as mine. It's THAT BAD!! :(

I just talked to someone at DVD Pacific. They have pulled all the orders from the weekend and will be cancelling them for the HD Jack Ryan Collection. The woman told me when it is released in the future the package will be different but the discs will be the same, no added features.

Mine turned up today. I'll have to give them a quick run-through as I'm selling my player on Wednesday to a pal. I'm not abandoning HD DVD, just making way for a 3rd gen machine (which won't arrive until November).