I have been really excited about Assassin's Creed and was watching the new videos that came out over the last couple days and came across this article.

http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/12-10-2007-6670.html

To sum it up, It says the devs are having trouble fitting the game on the DVD for the 360.

If this is true, I would think that it's a major concern for games in the future. I am very pro MS allowing games on HD DVD's and adding the drive to the system, but I don't see that happening until they release another gen box in a couple years.

I know most people just say, use 2 DVD's. For a game like this I don't think 2 disc will work very well. It is suppose to be an open world...

I don't think it has anything to do with size limitations, they just don't know how to compress the data well enough.

there has also been talk of multiple languages being used. not a problem for the ps3 version which can ship with all languages on one disc, the 360 version shouldn't have to worry about this though since it should be localized for that particular region.


as far as other games go, i dont think it will be a problem. by the time it becomes a real issue the next revision of the xbox will be out

This has been discussed before. NO

Orange box has 5 different games on it. Quit Trippin.

Don't mess with M$. They are a powerhouse. By the time the PS3 finally gets rolling the new xbox will be 1 year away. M$ has already had to split once because of Federal AntiTrust laws. I would say hardware is a greater limitation than disc size. There are games coming out without anti-aliasing that are still great, but could be better. For 1/5 of the price of a great pc you can play tons of games for much cheaper......except the whole $60 a game thing. Right now there is way more stuff than I have time to play.

I'm playing Orange Box, Halo 3, Skate, and PGR4. Pretty soon COD4 will be out. I haven't been able to get deep into a single one of those games because I don't have 6 hours of gaming time a day. There's still a bunch of games out that I want to play, and a bunch more coming.

QUIT TRIPPIN'

Is DVD size limitation going to hurt games on the 360?

Over 4 million people seem to think not, and thats just one title! :eek:

I have been really excited about Assassin's Creed and was watching the new videos that came out over the last couple days and came across this article.

http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/12-10-2007-6670.html

To sum it up, It says the devs are having trouble fitting the game on the DVD for the 360.

If this is true, I would think that it's a major concern for games in the future. I am very pro MS allowing games on HD DVD's and adding the drive to the system, but I don't see that happening until they release another gen box in a couple years.

I know most people just say, use 2 DVD's. For a game like this I don't think 2 disc will work very well. It is suppose to be an open world...



Is RAM going to hurt the PS3? Which the article I read states they are having issues with both consoles. The answer to that is no for both if I can get Mass Effect like the game we are getting next month then I can't figure out how they are having an issue with a game like AC. Same thing with the issue on the PS3 and them claiming about RAM being a road block. They will figure out somthing. If they have to cut somthing from one or another version then that is what they will have to do. Basically this is an old discussion anyway. Let the end result be the deciding factor. If it was hurting MS they wouldn't have sold as many consoles they have sold and have as many AAA titles and million selling titles they have had in the last 2 years. We have yet to see that in just 1 year alone(opps sorry Resistance did sell over a million copies being that it is Blu Ray)

I don't think this topic gets brought up enough.


Instead of weekly, we should ask this every other day.

I don't think this topic gets brought up enough.


Instead of weekly, we should ask this every other day.

lol, just make a sticky ;) We can put all the dev quotes and all the other quotes from gamers that disagree.

I was able to remove Disk 1 of Blue Dragon and install Disk 2 with NO bodily harm! From all the "You need HD media" nonsense around the net I was pretty concerned doing it!

So the answer is no.

lol, just make a sticky ;) We can put all the dev quotes and all the other quotes from gamers that disagree.

We need a sticky with all XBox 360 games since each and every one is a definative NO. :)

We need a sticky with all XBox 360 games since each and every one is a definative NO. :)

Perfect post for the sticky :)

Yeah if Orange box can contain 5 games (all rates as some of the best of the year and all time) with literaly hours and hours of gameplay I really don't see DVD's as running out of space just yet.

Yeah if Orange box can contain 5 games (all rates as some of the best of the year and all time) with literaly hours and hours of gameplay I really don't see DVD's as running out of space just yet.

Still that's not that much of an argument. You could make 15 simpler games (N64 type, etc) fit on a 700MB cd that contained 100's of hours of gameplay. The amount of games on a disc or the size of the game world has practically nothing to with how much space it takes up.

Case in point: On Assassin's Creed, it's the multiple languages that are taking up that extra space. And that along with HD video is typically what eats up the space.

The developer of AC pointed out they were having issues, then immediately said that it was because they want to put 5 languages for all the dialogue and cutscenes on the disc. I wonder just how much money it saves doing this vs. localized distributions. I think the only game so far that had content that required multiple discs is Blue Dragon, and that's because they used FMV for the cutscenes.

The developer of AC pointed out they were having issues, then immediately said that it was because they want to put 5 languages for all the dialogue and cutscenes on the disc. I wonder just how much money it saves doing this vs. localized distributions. I think the only game so far that had content that required multiple discs is Blue Dragon, and that's because they used FMV for the cutscenes.

Lost Odyssey is going to be multiple DVDs as well, but considering its a linear RPG with huge cutscenes its kinda expected.

The developer of AC pointed out they were having issues, then immediately said that it was because they want to put 5 languages for all the dialogue and cutscenes on the disc. I wonder just how much money it saves doing this vs. localized distributions. I think the only game so far that had content that required multiple discs is Blue Dragon, and that's because they used FMV for the cutscenes.
True, but I hate when your in a middle of a fight, then all of a sudden, a cutscene appears out of nowhere to disrupts the gameplay.

I'm sure Orange Box uses a lot of the same character models and textures across all games to save space.

I'm sure Orange Box uses a lot of the same character models and textures across all games to save space.

Textures, yes, probably all of them use some of the same HL2 textures just because they are already there and less work then making more. Modles? Only between HL2, Episode 1 & 2. Maybe some random props in the others, but that would again be out of "why make new when I already have this sitting here" then "will this fit on the disk?".

I was able to remove Disk 1 of Blue Dragon and install Disk 2 with NO bodily harm!

Frank weren't you scared or intmidated at all when you swapped the disc..

Were there any serious side effects?

Changes in blood pressure
Heart rates
Breathing rates
Nausea
Vomiting
Anxiety
Convulsions
Insomnia
Loss of appetite leading to malnutrition and weight loss
Cold sweats
Swelling and bleeding of mucous membranes
Restlessness and anxiety
Damage to nasal cavities
Damage to lungs
Possible heart attacks, strokes, or convulsions
Severe bowel movements?

I was able to remove Disk 1 of Blue Dragon and install Disk 2 with NO bodily harm! From all the "You need HD media" nonsense around the net I was pretty concerned doing it!

So the answer is no.

Isn't Blue Dragon more linear than open? I haven't played it so I am not sure.

My point is, I do not want to change the disc 100 times every time I play. Once or twice is no biggie, but for an open world type game how could you travel from city to city if the 2 cities are on seperate disc? You would have to change it every freakin time.

If it is truly only an issue because of the languages, then why not put 3 languages on one disc and 2 on the other? or however many there are...

This guy is just trying to create controversy and you guys are feeding him.

But it is a lazy Saturday so i'll join in too. :)

Why do you have to cram a zillion languages onto a disc? Each region gets its own game anyway. Just seems like laziness on Ubisoft's part.

The easiest solution if you don't want to localize the disc to the region is to make multiple discs. At the volumes that these companies print DVD's, it's pennies. Literally pennies.

Who cares if it's on multiple discs. I remember FF7 being 7 discs on the PC. no one griped about that.

And it's far easier to make multiple discs than try to figure out how to fit a game in 256MB of RAM...

I would think Ubisoft should worry more about the PS3 version.

I don't think it has anything to do with size limitations, they just don't know how to compress the data well enough.

QFT orange box fits on one dvd fine

I don't think its an issue because as others have said blue dragon is three disks. Also, if it did become an issue down the line, they could make all the multiplayer stuff downloadable to your hard drive I'd imagine to save space on the disk.

If you think about it both consoles have practically unlimited space for games. Using the hard drive as a storage mechanism will give games all the space they need. Granted the 360 core doesn't have a hard drive, and MS's policies do not yet allow the hard drive to be mandatory except for a few MMORPGs, but if this ever becomes an issue, it's an easy fix, just use a few gigs of hard disk space.

For linear games use two disks and swap half way, for persistent games either download extra content to the HDD, or ship the game with two disks, but store all of disk 2 on the hard drive.

Isn't Blue Dragon more linear than open? I haven't played it so I am not sure.

My point is, I do not want to change the disc 100 times every time I play. Once or twice is no biggie, but for an open world type game how could you travel from city to city if the 2 cities are on seperate disc? You would have to change it every freakin time.

If it is truly only an issue because of the languages, then why not put 3 languages on one disc and 2 on the other? or however many there are...

I dont know dude I somewhat agree with you about disc space as a limitiation, but the las time I chekced I didnt have to take out a disc for one game 100 times to enjoy it. Im speechless man I know for final fantasy 7 for PS alone I changed out the disc 2 myself and after playing for 70 hours total for 2 weeks striaght with hardly no sleep I had to ask my sister to take out the 2nd disc to put in the 3rd because my hands were fatigued from playing so long. :o

Yes DVD size is going to hurt 360 games but having HD-DVD would probably hurt them alot more:

A higher priced console that was late to market and had low adoption rates, meaning game developers produced less games for it. Did you want this thing to play games with or just watch movies? That seems to be the biggest single reason why you would choose a 360 or PS3.

Isn't Blue Dragon more linear than open? I haven't played it so I am not sure.

My point is, I do not want to change the disc 100 times every time I play. Blue Dragon becomes completely open towards the end of the game, and every location on the world map [and sidequest] is available on disk three.

Once or twice is no biggie, but for an open world type game how could you travel from city to city if the 2 cities are on seperate disc? You would have to change it every freakin time.
Publishers and developers are creative enough to overcome any perceived limitation of optical media storage.

Well HD VMD is boasting they can make any existing DVD player able to read the 10 layer DVD's they're putting out with firmware upgrades. So if it's honestly a problem in the future then MS will find a way to add additional layers to their game discs to increase storage without requiring additional hardware.

Right now it really isn't that big of a problem.

I don't think this topic gets brought up enough.


Instead of weekly, we should ask this every other day.

:D :D :D

Did 3 discs hurt Final Fantasy VII?

Or 2 discs hurt Resident Evil 4?

This is a stupid topic. :rolleyes:

We're coming up on the 3rd Christmas season for 360. Has it been a problem so far?

Also Lunaticpuma is 100% correct. How have multiple discs ever hurt the sales of any title?

Every console has its plusses and its minuses. The 360 has to make due with DVD storage capacity. The PS3 has memory constraints that seem to hamper some developers. The Wii has very limited storage, no HD capabilities, and a relatively last-gen processor. None of them are perfect. You program to your consoles strengths and make the most of the hardware that you have to work with.

There are plenty of games that give you a great experience regardless of the console specs; Halo 3, Bioshock, Resistance and Metroid Prime 3 all come to mind. And then there are games that, despite their technical prowess just plain suck. Neither the space afforded by BluRay, nor 1080p support, nor the Sixaxis tilt gimmick could save Lair for example. Every console will have hits and every console will have turds; regardless of what the specs are.