Has anyone tried this new 4 in 2 out 1.3a switcher?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=3728&seq=1&format=2

Has anyone tried this new 4 in 2 out 1.3a switcher?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=3728&seq=1&format=2

See Page 2 of this thread. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=888674) One person has successfully tried. Another poster called, Chexi1 on the VP4001 thread (Projectors below 3K) will shortly post his impressions... Looks good so far.

I just ordered one and I will report back as soon as I try it.

Thanks.

Does anyone have suggestion on where to get decent quality (and not too pricier than monoprice pricing) HDMI cables that are 1-foot in length? Such cables/lengths can be useful with this switch. They have their cheapest cables in shorther lengths, but user feedback is not good.

The Monoprice short cables work great for me. I have used about 20 for myself and friends. I use the 1.5 foot cables. The only issue might be the weight of the ferrite core on the cable. I have also used their Port Savers with good success. Often people blame cables for other HDMI/HDCP issues.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=2889&seq=1&format=2

I will report back on this switch probably next week. It shipped yesterday.

I'll be getting mine tomorrow, but have a different use for it than most.

I have a PS3, XA2, and HR20-700, originally hooked up to the Monoprice 5x1 switch, with no problems. I got an Onkyo TX-SR805 about 2 months ago, and hooked everything up to my Toshiba 52hm84 720p DLP. Problem is, the TV, with one HDMI input, only displays a picture when HDMI audio is passed through the Onkyo, resulting in 2-channel PCM. When I set the Onkyo to decode multichannel PCM, I lose the picture.

I originally tried an Octava 5x2 splitter with some success, with one HDMI out to the TV and one out to the Onkyo, but had a plethora (I love that word) of handshaking issues. So now I'll try the Monoprice (much cheaper than the Octava) and see if I have a little more success.

I think you have a setting issue with the PS3 & XA2. Some have suggested that if you want the Onkyo to decode the output you must set the output to Bitstreem on both the PS3 & XA2. Check out the Onkyo thread on receivers. I would also suspect that the new Monoprice switch should solve your issues if this does not work since it has two outputs. Let us know. This could be the switch we are all looking for. Mine will arrive next Tuesday.

I purchased this 4x2 matrix switcher to replace the 5x1 switcher and 1x2 powered splitter I purchased from Monoprice. I had very few issues with this combo but thought the matix switcher would be better since it has HDMI 1.3 and can output to different sources to two displays.

Unfortunately, my experience was not a good one. After replacing my current setup with the 4x2, I immediately had issues. The remote control was extremely sluggish and very unresponsive. I'd have to press a source 3-4 times before it engaged. And it will not switch to a source at all unless that source is active. The 5x1 will switch to any input, whether that source is active or not. In other words, when my remote changes to an particular input, say my HD-DVD player, if my player is off, the input that it is connected to will not be recognized by the 4x2 switcher. I'd have to wait until the player boots up and then change to the input. And it still took 2-4 presses of the remote to change to the input after that.

Also, for some reason, the 4x2 wasn't passing 1080p to my displays. I can only surmise that for some reason the 4x2 in being read my HD-DVD player as only supporting 1080i (just a guess). Anyway, for whatever reason, I couldn't get 1080p to pass through the switcher.

I returned the switcher and re-connected my old switcher and splitter and all is well again.

Of course, YMMV. This is just my own experience. I really had high hopes. I have had great success with Monoprice cables and electronics up to this point, but this was really a dud.

Alan

Man alive, the lights on this 4x2 splitter are like laser beams into my eyes! Could they have increased the lumen output of them anymore or did they reach the maximum capable on the first try? Holy cow!

Anyway, similar to Alan's experience, very sluggish reactions, even when I used my Harmony 880. It did work better than the Octava 5x2 splitter that I returned, but not smooth enough to use with macros on my Harmony, and my wife has enough problems getting what she wants to work with Harmony 880 and the Monoprice 5x1 (which I have no problems with).

I'm going to try what Alan's doing and add a 1x2 splitter to my current 5x1 switch. I really only NEED to use the HDMI audio input into my Onkyo 805 with my PS3 anyway (using the 5.1 analogs on the XA2 and optical is fine with my HR20-700). That may allow me some options such as 1) all sources to 5x1, output to 1x2 splitter then on to display and receiver, but only if the XA2 and HR20-700 behave with their HDMI audio output, or 2) PS3 to 1x2, one output to 5x1 switch for video and one output straight to 805 for audio.

Should work, although I hate investing $95 for multichannel capabilities of only one source, due entirely to HDMI incompatibility problems with my monitor.

I purchased this 4x2 matrix switcher to replace the 5x1 switcher and 1x2 powered splitter I purchased from Monoprice. I had very few issues with this combo but thought the matix switcher would be better since it has HDMI 1.3 and can output to different sources to two displays.

Unfortunately, my experience was not a good one. After replacing my current setup with the 4x2, I immediately had issues.

Alan
Alan,
Do you have a clue what is going on? Sing "what's it all about"?

Is it hard severing two masters who give you contradictory orders?

Or as Clint says: A man's got to know his limitations ;)

Alan,
Do you have a clue what is going on? Sing "what's it all about"?

Is it hard severing two masters who give you contradictory orders?

Or as Clint says: A man's got to know his limitations ;)

What do you mean? This new switcher sounds great on paper but has problems that my old switcher/splitter combo doesn't, as I described.

Hi guys, sorry to barge in, but I need some help. I would like to be able to send an HDMI signal from my sat DVR to both my 1080p TV, and an A&V receiver. I don't want to fire up the AV receiver just to watch the news. I've searched on line, read parts of this thread, and being simple minded I am still confused.

Ultimately a HDMI 4-5-6 input splitter-switch with 2 outputs is what I'm looking for.

Any recommendations?

Thanks

Can your old combo do two different inputs at the same time like this switch?

I'm having a nightmare with the Monoprice 4x2 Matrix. My 1080i cable-box source is fine. No issues there other than it being sluggish.

The real problem is with my HTPC running at 1080p. I'm having major EDID related issues.

I have two 1080p sets connected to it. An HP md6550n, and a Westinghouse LVM-37w1.

Depending on what monitor is turned on when I reboot my PC, it can work fine, or all hell can break loose. It sometimes reports one of my TVs as having a 1280x1024 max resolution.

I strongly recommend everyone to stay away from this thing until they release a new revision of the model.

What do you mean? This new switcher sounds great on paper but has problems that my old switcher/splitter combo doesn't, as I described.
Well first we have followed the same path. The difference being is that you are going back to the Monoprices HDMI switcher and splitter where I just again upgraded twice in another long, dedicated and tireless HDMI week! :)

The Never-Ending HDMI Story
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HDMI is an intelligent bus with communication between the source (HD cable/satellite box) and the destination. But here we have added two displays which can, with the new matrix splitter, be feed from the same or different source. So each display is telling its source its audio and video requirements

My system has two displays too. The main system has a 5.1 AV controller which strips off the HDMI audio and sends the video only to its downstream display. So here the AV controller tells the source to send it 5.1 channels of audio. The display tells the source to send video signals only within its capability (1080i, 720p, 1080p60 or 24)

The second display is a regular two channel 2.0 stereo only 52" LCD (no 5.1 AV controller in the daisy chain here).

So no we connect the new Monoprice 4*2 matrix switcher and what happens?
Its extreme flexibility is both its greatest asset but also reveals the limitations of the HDMI protocol. Here is why:

Audio - Single Destination (AV Controller or Display) Combinations
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a) Source: 5.1 channels Dolby Display: 2.0 Stereo channels
b) Source: 5.1 channels Dolby Display: 5.1 Stereo channels
c) Source: 2.0 channels Dolby Display: 2.0 Stereo channels
d) Source: 2.0 channels Dolby Display: 5.1 Stereo channels

Cases b) c) d) should not cause problems in any system configuration

For case a) the source has to mix the 5.1 channels down to stereo. This is normally not a problem. But if the source becomes confused the stereo display will receive all 5.1 channels and will amplify only the unmixed front left and front right signals. If the voice is ONLY in the center channel (and it frequently is), your family will shortly start complaining. :)

Video - Single Destination Combinations
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a) Source 1080i Display: 1080i
b) Source 1080i Display: 1080p
c) Source 1080p Display: 1080i
d) Source 1080p Display: 1080p

Cases a) b) d) should not cause fatal problems in any system configuration

In case c) the source should convert the 1080p to 1080i, but if it becomes confused the display will typically state "out of range input signal".

Multiple Simultaneous Destinations Combinations
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Here is where all hell can easily break loose when the two destinations (Display or AV controller) each tell the single source two different audio and video formats simultaneously.
Basically this confusion is undefined by the limited protocol and will result in a nightmare situation for the poor consumer.

The solution is to simplify so that the source is being told the same story. That is the audio and video capabilities (of each split HDMI output) should be largely identical.

So don’t use a 1080i first display and a 1080p second display. Rather make both 1080p 24 and 60Hz. Use separate 5.1+ AV controllers for each of splitters HDMI outputs. Or use the display's very limited two channels capability exclusively. Use one or the other but not both. To beat the horse to death: each scheme must be consistent.

This Monoprice 1.3a matrix splitter is actually a nice step forward as I’ve studied its capabilities under duress. (The designers have done an excellent job given the protocols limitations). The two systems do behave erratically when the switcher allows the source and multiple destinations to “fight” each other. As documented the toughest challenge is to feed two destinations (sending both audio and video) simultaneously from the same source.

What Its All About?
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In my situation the solution was to go buy a Onyko HDMI 1.3 receiver to take over the decoding of the audio of the LCD stereo only display. What’s another $700 to make HDMI work All this never-ending funding so the Hollywood stars can act like idiots and make hypocrites of themselves. They speak of freedom yet here they demand this totally flawed and repressive control over us. How difficult it is being honest, especially when your being screwed.

Today’s Humor
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Now what about the new Display Port multimedia bus? Maybe its better?
(That was a joke for everyone except the HDMI organization).

I have a 2 word review for this switch. sh!t sandwich.

i was thinking of getting one. so much for that, for now, anyway.

Does anyone have an opinion on using this for video only, using only one display at a time, and only 1080i or 720p output settings?

It sounds like exactly what I need to switch between sources and send the video to either my RPTV or projector. The reported problems are worrisome, but it sounds like the tested applications are more than what I plan on using it for.

Scott

I just installed this 4x2 matrix switch today. So far it is working okay. Input source is 1080i from a Dish ViP622 DVR and a Sony DVP-CX995V 400-disk DVD changer. Outputs are to a Panasonic Plasma and a HP LCD TV (Sharp Aquos).
All video equipment is in my basement, video is fed via monoprice cables, lengths of about 35 feet to plasma and 15 feet to LCD TV. I use Universal URC-100 RF remotes to control equipment, I programed several buttons (Learned from HDMI matrix remote) to control the matrix switch.
I haven’t played with it much but so far it is working.
BTW I already had a monoprice 4x1 switcher, it worked fine. I had recently ordered the monoprice 1x4 HDMI splitter to use in conjunction with the 4x1 switch. For some reason the monoprice 1x4 splitter would not work with my Dish ViP622 DVR. I ended up returning the splitter and ordering the matrix switch.

All this never-ending funding so the Hollywood stars can act like idiots and make hypocrites of themselves. They speak of freedom yet here they demand this totally flawed and repressive control over us. How difficult it is being honest, especially when your being screwed.


Great post until you lost me here. You do realize that you literally blamed our Monoprice switch for not working right on the fact that movies stars "speak of freedom?" That is what you said, right? Just checking.

I just have to call you out on this. I live and work in Los Angeles. Conflating movie stars "speak of freedom" with the HDMI standard is cracked out. What does the "Hollywood" have to do with HDMI switching? Sure, the MPAA requires HDCP protection. But you weren't even talking about HDCP related issues. And even if you were, WTF do movie stars have to do with any of it?

Great post until you lost me here. You do realize that you literally blamed our Monoprice switch for not working right on the fact that movies stars "speak of freedom?" That is what you said, right? Just checking.

I just have to call you out on this. I live and work in Los Angeles. Conflating movie stars "speak of freedom" with the HDMI standard is cracked out. What does the "Hollywood" have to do with HDMI switching? Sure, the MPAA requires HDCP protection. But you weren't even talking about HDCP related issues. And even if you were, WTF do movie stars have to do with any of it?

I think he was trying to state that it is the greed of the movie industry (including the stars) that is the driving force behind HDCP, and that he finds it ironic that these same persons talk about freedom. I do not agree with this position, but I think it is what he meant.

Personally, I hate the HDCP "standard," but only because it does not work and has caused so many problems. I have no problem with persons getting paid for their work. That being said, is HDCP even going to accomplish its intended purpose? I was researching drives for a HTPC I have and found that they do make blu-ray burners (even Sony makes them!). If they make blu-ray burners, it is only a matter of time before people can copy blu-ray movies and play them back at 1080p. For all I know, people already can.

I just installed this 4x2 matrix switch today. So far it is working okay. Input source is 1080i from a Dish ViP622 DVR and a Sony DVP-CX995V 400-disk DVD changer. Outputs are to a Panasonic Plasma and a HP LCD TV (Sharp Aquos).
All video equipment is in my basement, video is fed via monoprice cables, lengths of about 35 feet to plasma and 15 feet to LCD TV. I use Universal URC-100 RF remotes to control equipment, I programed several buttons (Learned from HDMI matrix remote) to control the matrix switch.
I haven’t played with it much but so far it is working.
BTW I already had a monoprice 4x1 switcher, it worked fine. I had recently ordered the monoprice 1x4 HDMI splitter to use in conjunction with the 4x1 switch. For some reason the monoprice 1x4 splitter would not work with my Dish ViP622 DVR. I ended up returning the splitter and ordering the matrix switch.

I have been happy with the switch, but one thing I have not be able to do it get by Harmony 880 to learn the remote settings. How were you able to do this?

Going to give it a whirl, I think. $100 isn't a big deal. I don't worry about 1080p, I don't believe the hype :) Happy with 720p projector, and plan on beign happy with 50" plasma, whether 1080p or 720p! When the NETWORKS go to 1080p (if ever), I'll worry about it then. Don't watch many DVDS or Xbox games anyway.

I think if perhaps your source (in my case, Crapcast box) is set to output one resolution, 720p, and the projector/plasma set to 720p, perhaps that might solve some issues?

I have been happy with the switch, but one thing I have not be able to do it get by Harmony 880 to learn the remote settings. How were you able to do this?
My remote had no issues learning from the monoprice matrix remote. This Universal remote has IR learning capabilities at standard frequencies (15kHz to 100kHz). I assume the matrix IR signal must be in this range and I would think the Harmony remote should be able to learn in this frequency range.

Sorry, have you tried the obvious? Does the Matrix remote work? This remote had a piece of plastic that you had to remove in order for the battery to make contact.

If your Harmony remote is still having poblems learning IR commands from your matrix remote, below is a trouble shooting procedure from Harmony.

Verify you are pointing the original remote at bottom end of your remote, and are holding the remotes 2-4 inches apart.
Minimize the amount of light that could interfere with the learning process by covering the distance between the remotes. Block out sunlight, or turn off the lights.
Check that you have installed new batteries in the original remote you are trying to use to learn commands. If the batteries are low, the signal coming from your original remote may be too weak for the remote to detect.
Be sure to hold down the button on the original remote for at least 1-2 seconds, otherwise the signal may be too short for the to process.
If you still have trouble teaching the commands, start with the remotes 2 inches apart. Then try again with, slightly increasing the distance each time (2.5 inches, 3 inches, etc).
Try varying the angle at which the commands are sent to the bottom of the remote.

Good luck...
Mike

You do realize that you literally blamed our Monoprice switch for not working right
Here is what I stated:
This Monoprice 1.3a matrix splitter is actually a nice step forward as I’ve studied its capabilities under duress. (The designers have done an excellent job given the protocols limitations).

The only fault I give to to you guys for "our Monoprice switch" is that there are virtually no instructions.

It takes a considerable planning and effort, expertise and new gear to get a dual display HDMI system to work without fatal errors. Even expert custom installers avoid single display HDMI. That is why I blamed those behind the HDMI interface (Hollywood) with the HDCP for the migraine headaches. Now add in the Vista DRM and you can't do anything without great difficulty.
All this from a user who buys several hundred dollars of movies and songs a month.

I have to agree with reincarnate that the spitter is a "nice step forward and that the designers have done an excellent job given the protocols limitations." Monoprice should be given great credit for coming out with this switch. If you follow the limitations of the protocal the switch will work fine. I have just tried it with all 1080i outputs with no issues. It even solved a sound issue that I had with a previous switch. I resent calling the switch a S sandwich. It is actually a fine swich if one realizes the limitations of the HDMI protocal that was pointed out. Most users will not have a problem with the switch but one should be aware of possible issues under certain conditions which are not the fault of the switch.

This seems to be one of the most advanced HDMI switch and for the price it is a great bargain. The fact that it works with HDMI 1.3 and seems to work really well as a single output switch will be important to many users. I would have prefered better instructions and dimmer led lights on the front. One should also realize that it is about twice as large as the older Monoprice switches. These are not problems for me.

I have tried the switch with a Toshiba A1, XA2, Oppo 971, PS3, Toshiba dvd recorder with HDMI output with no issues feeding to A Panasonic AE900. I plan to get the new
Panasonic AE2000 soon which is why I got the switch. I will be using an Onkyo 605 which only has 2 HDMI inputs so adding 4 more that can pass 1080p with sound for under $100 is great for me. I would highly recommend this switch knowing the limitations of the protocal and being aware of the this. HDMI has caused issues since day one and I agree that most custom installers will not touch it. This switch should appeal to many on this fourm with specific need. I would hope that Monoprice comes up with dimmer LED's and a better instruction manual in the future. This is a new switch and Monoprice has been working on it for quite a while. No switch will be perfect for all uses because of the problems cause by the HDMI protocal. This switch works for me since it adds 4 extra HDMI 1.3a ports. I bet that other companies would sell the switch for hundreds more and with the name of a certain company on it some would not hesitate to spend the extra hundreds. Monoprice has made a name for itself by selling products with value. This switch is another great addition.[/I]

It's all a moot point anyway. I tried to order one today and they are backordered with no ETA. There are 19 people waitlisted in front of me.

I would call them and ask if they have any idea when they will be in. I have been trying to get the switch for a long time that is probably why I got one from the first batch. It is possible that they may even make a few of the changes on the next batch coming in.

Monoprice seems to listen to many of our suggestions. I once called and asked about HDMI extensions and now they have them on the site. I would get on the list they seem to fly the products in good demand in.

The Christmas Lights Revealed:

I have to agree with reincarnate that the spitter is a "nice step forward and that the designers have done an excellent job given the protocols limitations." Monoprice should be given great credit for coming out with this switch. If you follow the limitations of the protocal the switch will work fine. I have just tried it with all 1080i outputs with no issues. It even solved a sound issue that I had with a previous switch. I resent calling the switch a S sandwich. It is actually a fine swich if one realizes the limitations of the HDMI protocal that was pointed out. Most users will not have a problem with the switch but one should be aware of possible issues under certain conditions which are not the fault of the switch.

This seems to be one of the most advanced HDMI switch and for the price it is a great bargain. The fact that it works with HDMI 1.3 and seems to work really well as a single output switch will be important to many users. I would have prefered better instructions and dimmer led lights on the front. One should also realize that it is about twice as large as the older Monoprice switches. These are not problems for me.

I have tried the switch with a Toshiba A1, XA2, Oppo 971, PS3, Toshiba dvd recorder with HDMI output with no issues feeding to A Panasonic AE900. I plan to get the new
Panasonic AE2000 soon which is why I got the switch. I will be using an Onkyo 605 which only has 2 HDMI inputs so adding 4 more that can pass 1080p with sound for under $100 is great for me. I would highly recommend this switch knowing the limitations of the protocal and being aware of the this. HDMI has caused issues since day one and I agree that most custom installers will not touch it. This switch should appeal to many on this fourm with specific need. I would hope that Monoprice comes up with dimmer LED's and a better instruction manual in the future. This is a new switch and Monoprice has been working on it for quite a while. No switch will be perfect for all uses because of the problems cause by the HDMI protocal. This switch works for me since it adds 4 extra HDMI 1.3a ports. I bet that other companies would sell the switch for hundreds more and with the name of a certain company on it some would not hesitate to spend the extra hundreds. Monoprice has made a name for itself by selling products with value. This switch is another great addition.[/I]

Mine does not work with only using 1 set of outputs, with 1080i or lower. It works sometimes... but not all the time. I frequently have handshake problems. It is painfully slow when it does work. And the IR sensor is extremely weak and will not work consistently with my Harmony 880 (regardless of timing tweaks). The LED readout is confusing. The LEDs are brighter than the sun and are an eye hazard. So mine is a Sh!t Sandwich. Perhaps it is a lemon flavored one, but I'm not going to taste it to find out.

However, Monoprice is doing the right thing and taking it back. I'll be getting the 4x1 as a replacement (as that is all I really need). I do not fault Monoprice, just the designer of the switch.

Anyone who's having an issue with the switcher, Monoprice is willing to take it back for refund or exchange with revised version of the same switcher which will be available around 11/25/2007.

Please send an email to sean@monoprice.com with Subject: Replacement / Refund - 4X2 Matrix HDMI Switcher

Truly sorry for any inconvenience it may cause you. Thanks for supporting Monoprice.

Regards,

Sean Lee
Monoprice, Inc.
Tel. 909-989-6887

I think he was trying to state that it is the greed of the movie industry (including the stars) that is the driving force behind HDCP, and that he finds it ironic that these same persons talk about freedom. I do not agree with this position, but I think it is what he meant.


I figured as much. I'm just sick of people with right-wing politics trying to bash movie stars every chance they get - especially when it's such a ridiculous stretch to do so in this completely unrelated topic. If I want to hear about how Barbara Streisand is responsible for all the evil in the world, like murdering the Baby Jesus and developing a lousy digital interconnect stadard, I'll watch a certain news channel.

Back OT. Any info about what the mid-Nov revision to this device is supposed to address?

Mine does not work with only using 1 set of outputs, with 1080i or lower. It works sometimes... but not all the time. I frequently have handshake problems. It is painfully slow when it does work. And the IR sensor is extremely weak and will not work consistently with my Harmony 880 (regardless of timing tweaks). The LED readout is confusing. The LEDs are brighter than the sun and are an eye hazard. So mine is a Sh!t Sandwich. Perhaps it is a lemon flavored one, but I'm not going to taste it to find out.

I don't know what you are talking about. My dual display systems works nearly perfect. You just need to upgrade your wardrobe every year. That, my friend is the very essence of high technology.
As explained above, your sacrifices are critical to the world's economy. Remember you are serving humanity by keeping people employed.
Can anyone explain why my Apple iPhone is so slow too? I mean it was fast in the store when I bought it? Am I just stupid or are manufactures aware of these limitations but just don't give a shi* about their customers? Is withholding the truth being honest?
Why do they insist on using an Internet hotdogger to explain how their products really work? Wouldn't it be best for the company to write an owners manual and support their customers, not frustrate them?
While I'm stuck in this world, I'm certainly not part of it. :)

I figured as much. I'm just sick of people with right-wing politics trying to bash movie stars every chance they get - especially when it's such a ridiculous stretch to do so in this completely unrelated topic. If I want to hear about how Barbara Streisand is responsible for all the evil in the world, like murdering the Baby Jesus and developing a lousy digital interconnect stadard, I'll watch a certain news channel.

Well this is quite a red-herring diatribe. The fact is people on all ends spectrum are just as susceptible to making bad decisions. Either can be just as bad, or just as good as the other. There is no distinction.

Now why not stick to the facts and post the requirements which the dual display systems must meet, for the Monoprice 4*2 matrix switcher to successfully integrate with?

So my screen and tv I would be using are both 720p. All equipment I have runs at 720p (360, Toshiba Xa2, Ps3, Computer) However my Dishnetwork 811 HD PVR I find the signal slightly better when the projector does the deinterlacing for 1080i channels. If I was using that at the same time with my other equipment, I may have problems?

I guess this is all void now since late november there coming out with a revised switch to resolve all the issues were having. But Im still curious.

So my screen and tv I would be using are both 720p. All equipment I have runs at 720p (360, Toshiba Xa2, Ps3, Computer) However my Dishnetwork 811 HD PVR I find the signal slightly better when the projector does the deinterlacing for 1080i channels. If I was using that at the same time with my other equipment, I may have problems?

I guess this is all void now since late november there coming out with a revised switch to resolve all the issues were having. But Im still curious.
As you yourself state "there coming out with a revised switch to resolve all the issues were having". So what is your question?
Next caller please! :)

I guess this is all void now since late november there coming out with a revised switch to resolve all the issues were having. But Im still curious.


Really? Do tell....?

I purchased this HDMI 4x2 matrix switch and initially had a problem getting it to output to my Panasonic AE-900. It was fine with my Sony 46" 720p LCD TV.

The thing that I realized is that I am using the Monoprice HDMI wall plates for the run to my projector, and that created 4 additional connection points in the run. Once I removed the wall plates and just ran a single 25' cable from the switch to the projector, everything was great.

I guess I am suggesting that everyone should keep cable length to a minimum, and use as few connection points as possible.

I find this swtich to work as advertised.Running projector and plasma to it with no issues.All of it is being controlled with harmony 1000.All resolutions work mixed and matched from 480p to 1080i,I dont have 1080p display so not sure about that one.The bright lights are terrible and have to be covered with tape.Also long runs of 50 foot hdmi cable seemed to work with no issues as well,At this price point i have no complaints.

Really? Do tell....?


Look at the top of this page, first post by kim.

"Anyone who's having an issue with the switcher, Monoprice is willing to take it back for refund or exchange with revised version of the same switcher which will be available around 11/25/2007.

Please send an email to sean@monoprice.com with Subject: Replacement / Refund - 4X2 Matrix HDMI Switcher

Truly sorry for any inconvenience it may cause you. Thanks for supporting Monoprice.

Regards,

Sean Lee
Monoprice, Inc.
Tel. 909-989-6887"

As you yourself state "there coming out with a revised switch to resolve all the issues were having". So what is your question?
Next caller please! :)

It was if everyone was already having problem mixing and matching sources as one person in another post explained as a rule for the switch, but as some people are reporting mixing and matching output resolutions is fine for some people, also some people say 1080p works, some say it does not. I have never had a problem with monoprice, but it seems some people always do with there switches, or maybe there setup is just tricky.

It was if everyone was already having problem mixing and matching sources as one person in another post explained as a rule for the switch, but as some people are reporting mixing and matching output resolutions is fine for some people, also some people say 1080p works, some say it does not. I have never had a problem with monoprice, but it seems some people always do with there switches, or maybe there setup is just tricky.
The issue is not Monoprice: its the HDMI specification which requires constant communication between the four sources and the two displays.
This Monoprice Matrix switcher is so good that its the last one I'll plan to buy.
What does "good" mean? Well with careful planning it works fine for switching HDMI audio and video for two displays. The Onyko 1.3a receiver recently acquired has a few issues (for one won't play HDMI audio without its display being on) so I'm replacing it.
The Monoprice has excellent subjective picture quality. (I know digital is supposed to be digital, and a ground is supposed to be perfect too. But they are not). Its PQ as good as the $$$ Gefen gear.
If Gefen were to offer a product of this caliber it would cost over $800 and have more bugs.
Finally HDTV Supply offers the same unit for over double what Monoprice sells it for.
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Look at the top of this page, first post by kim.

"Anyone who's having an issue with the switcher, Monoprice is willing to take it back for refund or exchange with revised version of the same switcher which will be available around 11/25/2007.

Please send an email to sean@monoprice.com with Subject: Replacement / Refund - 4X2 Matrix HDMI Switcher

Truly sorry for any inconvenience it may cause you. Thanks for supporting Monoprice.

Regards,

Sean Lee
Monoprice, Inc.
Tel. 909-989-6887"

Good deal, and good timing. Media Room rev. 2 is already underway, that fits into time table.

Thanks for clarifying, don't know how I missed

Good deal, and good timing. Media Room rev. 2 is already underway, that fits into time table.

Curious, what is Media Room rev. 2 ?

I have an unusual question:

I just bought an Onkyo 705. I feel that my pictue is somewhat degraded when I run the hdmi of my oppo dvd 981 and my cable SA8300HD through the Onkyo (I know it shouldn't be, but I swear it is).

I have a panny ax100.

I want to send the hdmi video from the dvd straight to the panny (or through a separate switch, but not the onkyo), but I also want to send the audio from the dvd through the onkyo via hdmi. The reason is because I want to buy a blu ray player and I understand that the only way I can get the high end DTS-MA and the TrueHD is through the HDMI and not the digital coax out, but I don't want my picture degraded.


I just tried doing this via the monoprice 4x2, and the video worked fine, but not the audio (I connected the dvd to input 2 and have the panny connected to output A. I then connected output B to the onkyo input 1 and assigned that input to dvd. I have already checked the setup assignments and they are correct and I properly cycled through the monoprice switch.)

I know this is very unusual setup, but can anyone explain to me why this won't work, or why it could work if I had different equipment?

Again, goal is to not put video hdmi through onkyo, only the audio hdmi.

(I also posted this as a separate thread, but post t again here since you guys are familiar with the 4x2)

HELP!!

I spoke to Monoprice today and they are working on resolving the issues reported. As I and others have said this could be a great switch and has already proved so for a few.

There is need for better instructions and dimmer LED's which I am sure Monoprice is working on for their revision. They really want to get it right and they deserve credit and support from us. I was also told that they will have a new 4x1 1.3b single output switch out soon at a great price. I don't know of many companies that have offered better service and value to its customers.

I have an unusual question:

I just bought an Onkyo 705. I feel that my pictue is somewhat degraded when I run the hdmi of my oppo dvd 981 and my cable SA8300HD through the Onkyo (I know it shouldn't be, but I swear it is).

I have a panny ax100.

I want to send the hdmi video from the dvd straight to the panny (or through a separate switch, but not the onkyo), but I also want to send the audio from the dvd through the onkyo via hdmi. The reason is because I want to buy a blu ray player and I understand that the only way I can get the high end DTS-MA and the TrueHD is through the HDMI and not the digital coax out, but I don't want my picture degraded.


I just tried doing this via the monoprice 4x2, and the video worked fine, but not the audio (I connected the dvd to input 2 and have the panny connected to output A. I then connected output B to the onkyo input 1 and assigned that input to dvd. I have already checked the setup assignments and they are correct and I properly cycled through the monoprice switch.)

I know this is very unusual setup, but can anyone explain to me why this won't work, or why it could work if I had different equipment?

Again, goal is to not put video hdmi through onkyo, only the audio hdmi.

(I also posted this as a separate thread, but post t again here since you guys are familiar with the 4x2)

HELP!!

I've been forced to do what you're trying to do, since my 3 year old monitor won't accept HDMI video after audio has been processed (will only accept video/audio passed through my Onkyo 805).

I've tried multiple matrix switches and HDMI splitters, including the Monoprice. While I was somewhat disappointed with the sluggish switching and extremely bright lights of the Monoprice, I think it does a fair job as advertised. I had a few handshaking problems, but fewer than I had with other splitters. I'm keeping the Monoprice 4x2 for possible future use, but still needed something to fix my immediate problem.

My solution (and one that should work for you) is this. I had been using a Monoprice 5x1 switch without problems for about a year prior to getting the 805. I really only NEEDED the HDMI audio for my PS3, since I can use the 5.1 analogs for my XA2, and optical is fine for my DirecTV HR20-700. What finally worked the best was to get a generic powered 1x2 HDMI splitter (one in, two out) off of eBay (shipped, costs about $65). The PS3 HDMI goes in the splitter, then one output goes to the 5x1 switch, which is output straight to my monitor. The second output of the splitter goes to HDMI input 3 on my 805. I've only experienced 1 or 2 minor handshake issues that have been easily resolved. The ONLY thing I had to change was the input designation in my receiver for my PS3 (from optical to HDMI 3), so there was no major change for my Harmony 880. And, best of all, I didn't experience any A/V sync problems (my primary concern).

I'll probably get a second 1x2 splitter to use with my XA2, and free up the 5.1 analogs to put my DVD-Audio player back in the rack.

Hope this setup makes sense to you.

Schroedk:

It does, thank you. I kind of concluded that last night after posting my question and surfing a while longer. I appreciate your detailed response. I just wish I could get my hands on one at an actual B&M store vs. waiting another five days - ugh!!!!

Thanks again.

I love avsforum. It's always nice to be reminded that I'm not the only lunatic out there. My wife doesn't even ask me any questions anymore when the packages come from monoprice - she just rolls her eyes.

Schroedk:

I just noticed that these powered splitters say they are only hdmi 1.2 compliant, not 1.3a. Won't that be problem if my source (which eventually will be a blu-ray player) is outputting things like DTS-MA and TrueHD in 1.3a?

Schroedk:

I just noticed that these powered splitters say they are only hdmi 1.2 compliant, not 1.3a. Won't that be problem if my source (which eventually will be a blu-ray player) is outputting things like DTS-MA and TrueHD in 1.3a?

Not totally sure. I'm outputting lossless 5.1 PCM from my PS3 with no problem. I'm not sure what kind of bandwidth limitations will arise when trying to stream DTS-MA or TrueHD. I went with the splitter I mentioned because it was listed as HDCP-compliant, which the Monoprice one does not actually claim. This was a much bigger issue for me, to make sure that all material actually gets through (in theory, anyway; I'm not a big fan of HDMI). I'll hook up my XA2 and stream some TrueHD through it later today, but I've got a lot of errands to run, first.

Anyone who's having an issue with the switcher, Monoprice is willing to take it back for refund or exchange with revised version of the same switcher which will be available around 11/25/2007.


What revisions are there going to be. So far, with minimal testing, my sitcher seems to work fine. However, if there is something improtant for operation that is being revised I should probably return it anyway? :confused:

The lights are about the brightest I've seen! :( Has anyone tested this switcher for image degradation? I've seen receiver's switch HDMI images with what appears to be a slight degredation (if that is possible with a digital connection).

Also, is the switch supposed to be left powered on 24/7 or is it supposed to be manually turned on/off all of the time. Instructions would have answered this question. :rolleyes:

Finally, aren't all of these little smiley faced things annoying!?

I am not sure about all the changes. I spoke to the people at Monoprice and I mentioned the bright LED's and the poor instructions that came with the switcher. I also told them that some people might have issues with sound and other issues if they are inputing different resolutions. I would guess that there will include dimmer LED's and work on several of the other issues reported. They really want to get this one right. They are reading this thread and listening to us. The box does say 1.3 on it.

Is anyone using this switch with the Next Generation RF Externder? I had a Gefen Switch that I could never get to work with this Exntender and was wondering if anyone go their 4 x 2 switch to work?

Curious, what is Media Room rev. 2 ?

Original was 58" pioneer Elite CRT, note rack on left, big SVS on right

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5267/frontzh9.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frontzh9.jpg)

Rev. 1 was 100" screen, Samsung 710AE projector, rack gone, SVS replaced by HSU

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6485/mediafrontgood7sdol6.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mediafrontgood7sdol6.jpg)

Rev. 2 is underway. Sherwood Newcastle P-965 and Parasound amps are gone, replaced by Denon AVR-3808ci. Fixed Carada screen being removed,
50" Panasonic plasma being mounted. 100" electric screen w/soffits will be mounted on ceiling to drop when needed. No pics yet, but will have everything (but soffits) done by the end of this weekend.

Hopefully this does it for me!

Fixed Carada screen being removed,
50" Panasonic plasma being mounted. 100" electric screen w/soffits will be mounted on ceiling to drop when needed.


Thats what I did, a 50" plasma and a 119" screen. You get the best of both worlds and routinely watching the 50" gives you more wow factor every time you watch a movie with the FP.

I use this Monoprice switcher to feed two Audio Video systems. The main system has a separate preamp with balanced cable connecting to three sperarate stereo power amplifiers. To judge the sound quality I use the PC based foobar2000 FLAC music player with the "SecretRabbit" over-sampling plug-in utility set to 88.2Hhz. This combination offer the highest CD playback sound quality known to mankind. :)

However making this determination was no easy achievement as the Secret Rabbit plug-in makes any anomalies in the "opened up" treble all to evident. The common afflictions to sound quality are brightness, constriction and harshness. These symptoms affect almost every system today.
What are the causes: RFI and EMI. So what does all of this have to do with the Monoprice switcher? Everything.

If I plug-in any (here the Monoprice +5v 2amp) cheap switching power supply wall-wart to my system, the sound quality is severely degraded. Brightness and constriction take over.
I have figured out how to eliminate it: I plug the wall-warts and my pre-amp into a Furman Power Factor Pro line conditioner. Everything else is conditioned by a Belkin PF60 conditioner. Now the five speaker soudstage is very open, especially on the treble.

The same degree of improvement is made for the video: the gains in transparency (S/N ratio) and naturalness all not subtle. This is the perfect solution for the making of a couch potato.

See my post in the following linkhttp://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=921316&highlight=4x2+hdmi+switch&page=2

For those of you interested, Rev. 2.0 is available from the Monoprice website as of today.

I plan on ordering one, with my fingers crossed that it will work in my system.

Scott

I wanted to get this switcher to distribute (i) video from my Tivo, Apple TV, Toshiba XA2, and Panasonic BD30 to my TV and (ii) audio from these devices to my Onkyo 705.

Monoprice's website says the following about this 4x2 switcher:
Support audio format: PCM, Dolby-AC3, DTS7.1, DSD

Obviously, the XA2 can output TrueHD over PCM. But, the BD30 does not have an internal decoder for the advanced audio, so I would need to bitstream it over HDMI. Does anyone know if this switcher would pass, for example, DD+ or dts-MA over HDMI to my Onkyo?

The new rev 2.0 is already out, new ones come in 12/3 which is only a few days, Im going to have to be quick on the draw and take a leap of faith.

The new rev 2.0 is already out, new ones come in 12/3 which is only a few days, Im going to have to be quick on the draw and take a leap of faith.


I think I'm number 157 on the wait list. Note that the "Wait List": simply means that I am the 157th to sign up for notification of actual availability, and not a backorder waitlist.

Does anyone have an opinion on using this for video only, using only one display at a time, and only 1080i or 720p output settings?

It sounds like exactly what I need to switch between sources and send the video to either my RPTV or projector. The reported problems are worrisome, but it sounds like the tested applications are more than what I plan on using it for.

ScottWell, I got my version 2.0 switcher on Monday, I've been sick all week, so waited until today to install it.

First, I was surprised at how nicely it was package. Usually, the Monoprice stuff comes in generic-looking packaging (which is fine by me, since it reduces costs), but this was in a slick black box, very nice looking.

Now, the bad news. I can't get this to work with my set up. The output form my Toshiba HD-XA1 is completely tinted red (doesn't appear to have any blue at all). I tried two different cables, all four inputs, both outputs, and none of them worked.

The next problem is that the switching doesn't work consistently. With my HD-DVR turned on along with my scaler, it would only select the scaler. Neither the remote or the manual buttons would change the source. Turning off the scaler allowed the DVR to work - sometimes.

The third problem is that the Sony HD-DVR sometime works with it, but usually I get a not-supported message from the projector.

Maybe part of the problem is that my projector has a DVI connection, and not an HDMI connection?

I was really hoping that with a simple set up, this switcher would be perfect for me, but it looks like I'll end up sending it back.

I don't really blame Monoprice for this, but this whole HDMI incompatibility issue is horribly aggravating for consumers. I have no intent on stealing any content from providers, but I still have to put up with all of the hassle of just trying to get stuff to work. UGH!

Scott

I got one of these last week and it seems to be working great.
I had some issues at first... But it seems to be all good now.

The work around is to turn on the switch first (Monoprice 4x2)
The display second (Vizio 47")
The reciever third (Onkyo 605) OUT A
The source last (SA8300HD IN1, Onkyo DVD 405 IN2 , Xbox360 In4)
The switch is between the source and the reciever

Using this method I can turn on any or all of the sources and switch back and forth.
I have some problems with sound from the SA8300HD if I turn it on before the reciever. I get video but no sound.
I also have problems with the DVD player audio output if it is on before the reciever PCM ok but no DD or DTS.

I have a new Toshiba 32" Regza in the bedroom. I am waiting on a 35' HDMI cable from Monoprice. I will post an update when I get the new cable on OUT B.

What is the difference between the different rev's? I would use the switch for the HD DVD so I could use it in both rooms below. Does it matter whether I get a 1.3 or not?

Room 1
50" Panny 500U Plasma
Poineer VSX-74TXVi
SA8300HD
Harmony 680 Remote (to be replaced)
STF-2 Sub
Monoprice HDMI Switch
Toshiba A30 HD-DVD
wireless IR extender

Room 2
32" Panasonic LCD lx700
SA8300HD

..doesn't seem to like my HTPC.

I have the GE Force 8500GT Nvidia card, and sending the signal (via the 4x2 Monoprice switch, ver 1.0) to my Panny AX100. It may be a handshaking thing or whatever, but I have asked Sean@monoprice.com to maybe look into sending my an upgraded version of the switch. I STILL wish it had a remote controlled on/off switch.

The first one was purchased in early November, so I hope the upgraded one may fix whatever the issues are...

To be continued...
best,
Tom
Chinaclipper

Well, I sent a note to Sean, and he is going to ship out the newer version. plus a shipping voucher to send back the old one.

Now THATS what I call service.....
I hope the newer version fixes my problem :)

To be continued...
Tom
Chinaclipper

This is in reference to this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=964699) link.

I've just purchased a blu-ray player to watch movies on my Mitsubishi wd-57731 and all is well if I attach these devices directly but when my Yamaha rx-v661 is introduced into the mix, this is where things go awry. The AVR is suppose to pass 1080p but when I try to pass it through the AVR the tv displays a brighter/flashing picture. Thinking I could remedy this, I bought a powered splitter to split the signal. One hdmi into the receiver(audio) and the other to a different hdmi input(video) in the tv. Well, it works half way.....The video displays fine but the audio only outputs 2 channel... Will this splitter/switcher pass pcm and dolby digital or DTS to the receiver or is this a downfall of hdmi - not being able to separate the audio/video ?

What would happen if I would change the one hdmi cable(the hdmi going into the other tv input as video) with a combination of hdmi/DVI connectors to end the audio info....Would it allow audio to pass to the AVR through hdmi as pcm or dolby digital or DTS? Would this cause handshake issues or wouldn't I get audio at all?

This switch is bugged. I have it connected to a HD-TIVO and a DVD player. The switch connects to a plasma and a Denon 3808 (to projector). It will NOT pass audio correctly. It kicks everything to PCM and my AVR will only use 2 channels.

Doesn't matter which source, or what settings I try on the denon.

VERY frustrating.

Well, I sent a note to Sean, and he is going to ship out the newer version. plus a shipping voucher to send back the old one.

Now THATS what I call service.....
I hope the newer version fixes my problem :)

To be continued...
Tom
Chinaclipper
Well I got the new HDMI switch yesterday and hooked it up. Right away I noticed a few things:
1) It looks EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHER ONE
2) The lights are MUCH more pleasing, much less INTENSE IN YOUR FACE (If you own the old version switch you KNOW what I mean)
3) The lights now seem to make more sense-I can follow them better
4) I can get it to recognise my HTPC now. :) My card seems to see it (the projector) if I start the switch first then turn on the projector.

So, so far so good. I'll run it through a few more tests tonight. But before I send the old version back to Monoprice (via a pre-payed shipping box, thanks Sean) I will see if I can get it to recognise my Harmony 890 remote commands.

Keeping my fingers crossed....

Tom
Chinaclipper

Hello All

I have read the discussions here and it appears that this 4X2 box is quirky and some has luck with it and some not.

I am indeed looking for this box to allow me to use connect my sources to it and it should have 2 output with 1 going to display and the other one to the amp for multichannel PCM.

My sources are:
A35
PS3
Oppo

My receiving end are:
Yamaha AV Amp for audio
Epson TW2000 for display

For instead if I play PS3 Blu Ray, I hope to output 1080p24 video to Projector and decoded TrueHD or uncompressed MPCM to Yamaha via the 4X2 box. I am not sure if the switcher / splitter will pass all video and audio without issues. Has anyone tested the usage like I envision mine to be?

Thanks

I got this switch about a month ago, and had to return it. It worked fine with my DVR, but neither the PS3 nor the HD-A20 seemed to want to play nice with it.

With the PS3 I would get no signal to the TV.
With the HD-A20, I could always get a signal but with weird color effects. The normal black background turned to red.

Tried different ports and different combinations of cables to no avail. Unplugging and replugging the HDMI cables to the switch would eventually fix the issue until the device was powered off - then it was back to square one.

At any point I could plug the device directly in to the TV and it worked fine. Using my Yamaha AV Receiver as the switch also worked fine (with the exception of the fact that the AV switch was altering the black levels).

Good news is that Monoprice was the stand-up company that I expected. Their tech support confirmed that I had the latest copy of the switch and that swapping it out would probably not help. They RMAed the box without question.

Anyone know of a reasonably priced switch that can send the output to both an AV receiver and a display? The ones from Geffen cost as much or more than getting a new AV Pre-amp or receiver w/o the black level issues.

I am using the switch with Bitstream output to my Onkyo 605 with no issue. I am going from a PS3, (PCM) Toshiba XA2 bitstream, Panasonic BD30 bitstream with no issues. What receiver are you using Freddy W. I know that there is a setting on the Onkyo to turn pass through off that prevents this. I had a similar issue before I got the switch.

Denon 3808ci. My problem is in th eswitch, not Denon, unfortunately.