I hope that the week of OCT 30 Toshiba gets with Universal and do a buy 1 get 1 free promo like Blu Ray is doing. Also Microsoft should get with Paramount and have Transformers included with the Add on instead of King Kong and drop the price to 119.99. Also have an elite bundle for 549 with the addon and Transformers and a Pro bundle for 449 which includes the two games as well a win win for Microsoft and HD DVD.

The problem is, studios are supporting HDM because they want to make more money, giving away titles at retail greatly reduces the money one makes.

The problem is, studios are supporting HDM because they want to make more money, giving away titles at retail greatly reduces the money one makes.

Yaaaaaa...but think about all that good will.

The problem is, studios are supporting HDM because they want to make more money, giving away titles at retail greatly reduces the money one makes.

in the short run.... kinda of that whole 'can't see the forest for the trees' fallacy.

There have already been plenty of sales on purchasing a new player. There still is. Buy a 3rd generation player and 2 movies are in the box!

Don't let this BDA gimmick sale get you down. The BDA just wants to say they were able to sell (and give away) more movies to their current base. Paramount and Toshiba want to say that they sold a slew of new HD DVD players because they were less expensive to own and had blockbusters like Transformers on it.

This is what I think. Universal, Paramount, and Dreamworks should get together and just flat out lower the price by at least $5 of all their HD DVD titles from now on.

Having a sale is not indicating anything wrong from Blu ray but it just a way to get you to spend your money before you buy Transformers.:D Besides that, it will help HD DVD to have a little sale once in a while too.

I feel that media cost is turning people away from HDM moreso than player costs, because many people convince themselves that dvd looks just fine and isnt worth the price premium. I think that these BOGO and firesale deals from the bluray camp is one of the smartest decisions made by the BDA, because people will now say "Well maybe Ill give bluray a try (ala the PS3 crowd)"

As someone who recently went format neutral, I would love to see these kind of sales to help jump start my HD-DVD collection. Right now I prefer bluray, but Im always a sucker for a good deal.

I have no idea why Universal never had a promotion on their HD DVDs. Even Paramount and Warner will occasionally have HD DVD deals. I mean, how many people would pay 20 bucks for Seed of Chucky? (BTW, if you did pay 20 bucks or more for Seed of Chucky, no offense intended).

I feel sorry for you HD owners getting stiffed by the studios, with a format that offers higher gigabyte and yet your getting these over priced lame deals.

This is why I’m staying out of the format war until it ends with one left standing to serve fairness towards the paying consumer.

Adding to this, who is doing there best and best will only do because best will probably win, maybe. Most of what you’re paying for is new technology same old extras found on DVD some of which have come from laserdisc productions. Now I would think it would be fair if they produced new documentaries new audio commentary sessions while keeping the old stuff on the this so called I’m better than DVD!

Well lets see if they can prove us wrong by pulling there socks up and stop take you! The paying film fan for a ride!

There have already been plenty of sales on purchasing a new player. There still is. Buy a 3rd generation player and 2 movies are in the box!

Don't let this BDA gimmick sale get you down. The BDA just wants to say they were able to sell (and give away) more movies to their current base. Paramount and Toshiba want to say that they sold a slew of new HD DVD players because they were less expensive to own and had blockbusters like Transformers on it.

I think your logic is spot on. Since BDA noticed that HD DVD is catching up and that Holiday season will not look as bright as they thought, they started giving away movies at ridiculous prices. Now, it's a great thing for consumer but again it's completely misleading tactic in order to preserve the sales dominance.

They are just downright scared. It's very obvious. To keep the ratio at 2:1, I would too give away movies dirt cheap, lol.

This is all just delaying the inevitable anyways. With every single thing being subsidized on Blu-Ray side and being completely dissociated with real pricing structures, it can't really last forever. These guys can do short runs like this, but even that has an end.

So is HD-DVD or Blu=Ray exclusive to the home cinema over DVD, I see more people buying DVD at HMV at Bournemouth over the Blu and HD-DVD that they have in the stock. Tell you what I’ll be popping out today and thou I haven’t got enough to buy any DVD much less anything else this week. I’ll do a little “watchdog” at HMV today to see how many are buying it.

I’ll take along the camera and get a few pictures a kind of little picture show.

I want BOGO HD DVD sale. $9.99 each FTW!!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly theyn eed to play around with prices and sales.

There are many titles that can use a $5 price drop. I'm looking at you excalabur taunting me with your $20-$25 dollar price point !

That is a tittle that at $15 would sell much better.

Then they also need to do some bogo's with the older titles. I can understand not wanting to do this with popular titles , but some of the older catalog titles and new releases should go on sale.

The last step would be doing more bogo's at bestbuys and the likes. When some poor sap is paying $35 on smoking aces and $30 on another title they deserve a free title.

Currently its to expensive to walk into bestbuy and build a large enough libary of content

Studios can whine all they want about HDM not taking off but until they drop prices on the titles, you could give away a player for $150 and it still would not work. Those counter-attack sales might work for the Nielsen numbers, but I'm not sure they fool too many people into jumping in. It's the regular buyers buying more of the same IMO.

I think your logic is spot on. Since BDA noticed that HD DVD is catching up and that Holiday season will not look as bright as they thought, they started giving away movies at ridiculous prices. Now, it's a great thing for consumer but again it's completely misleading tactic in order to preserve the sales dominance.


Sort of like what Toshiba does with their players?

Currently its to expensive to walk into bestbuy and build a large enough libary of content

Why anyone continues to rely on BB as the place to build their library is beyond me (unless they have a sale going on and even then it's iffy at best). Amazon, Buy, J&R, Deep Discount, Frys and many other online retailers can be your best friend when it comes to discounted discs.

Well I went I saw I took a few pictures and the guy at HMV said “it’s kinder on the rise” yeah it sounds to me, there just not selling like hot cakes. Spiderman 3 was out on region 2 DVD and Blu-Ray.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/DemolitionMan3417/DVD4.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/DemolitionMan3417/DVD5.jpg

There was very little to see in the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray on the shelves.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/DemolitionMan3417/DVD10.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/DemolitionMan3417/DVD11.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/DemolitionMan3417/DVD12.jpg

Gotcha you little bugger:D, there was Spiderman 3 promotion around the town this one was at WHSmith in the centre of Bournemouth. And what was strikingly odd to see, no Blu or HD in WHSmisth I guess they don’t dig the format war.

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On a related note, didn't Panny as well reduce the price on their BD 10 BD player by 70%. Only difference being they gave it a different model number!

Didn't Sony's price cut on the PS3 force ALL BD vendors pretty much to reprice their players to $499 or close to it (Pio who did not re-price as aggressively is total out of the market)? Hence, the PS3 is setting the price ceiling - a player that we know is the most subsidized CE in human history! No doubt it is great for the consumer - but let us not forget that Sony is giving away hardware, giving away free disks, subsidizing disk replication and now even giving away other studios disks (I believe Panny is footing the Disney bill, so Panny is giving those away for Disney). After all this BD has a 60% to 40% sales advantage - a total disk sales advantage of around 1.5M.

Some basic math would indicate that 1.5M X 25 (avg. retail for BD disk) = $37.5M is the gap in revenue between the two formats so far (I am being generous to BD here).

Some basic analysis: Let us assume that in the US we have 2M PS3 players sold. Let us assume that 20% of those players are bought as BD players - that would make it 400K players. If the subsidy per PS3 is $250 (again, I am being very generous to Sony here) = $1B.

SUMMARY: NET NET

TOTAL SOFTWARE SALES GAP: $ 37.5M

TOTAL SONY PS3 SUBSIDY (for US Players sold for BD playback only): $1B

So when you get away from the % BS and look at the hard numbers, you can see why the BDA is worried....what they are up against.