I like it when my picture fits my screen:)

oy.....

So many search engines...so little time...

I continue to be shocked by threads like this. I can't believe people will avoid movies that are wider than 1.85:1.

You are missing out on a lot of good movies.

I'm dreading the day when we get two versions of some films on HD DVD:
2.35 - OAR, black bars are normal disclaimer, etc. etc.
1.78 - modified from widescreen to fit a different widescreen (1.85 to 1.78 doesn't count, as it is negligible)

It WILL happen. I'm counting the days...

Foolscreen for the HD generation, hopefully will not happen. Don't compile a list like that. Just get the movies you enjoy.

I'm dreading the day when we get two versions of some films on HD DVD:
2.35 - OAR, black bars are normal disclaimer, etc. etc.
1.78 - modified from widescreen to fit a different widescreen (1.85 to 1.78 doesn't count, as it is negligible)

It WILL happen. I'm counting the days...

Foolscreen for the HD generation, hopefully will not happen. Don't compile a list like that. Just get the movies you enjoy.

I'm with both you guys. People who share the opinion of the OP make me cringe.

just keep watching tnt HD and hbo hd :rolleyes:

I have no problem with the 2:40:1 and such but I am breaking in a plasma at the moment and the 1:85:1 is better than zooming a 2:40:1.

I like it when my picture fits my screen:)

I continue to be shocked by threads like this. I can't believe people will avoid movies that are wider than 1.85:1.

You are missing out on a lot of good movies.

I continue to be shocked by responses like this. Where did the OP say he watched only 1.85:1?

HAHA!!! I decided to look through my collection after reading this and if I limited myself to only 1.85 releases on HD and BD both I'd have only purchased 5 movies.

I have no problem with the 2:40:1 and such but I am breaking in a plasma at the moment and the 1:85:1 is better than zooming a 2:40:1.

http://www.eaprogramming.com/
click on the downloads tab.
You can download a Plasma Break-in ISO.

:)

Well to all the red heads out there the good folks at the BR software thread have a 1:85:1 list, can't you guys keep up? And if 1:85:1 is the OAR than why is it so blasphemes to enjoy it. I never bought full screen DVD's but 1:85:1 is used as an OAR in about 1/4 of movies, its not chopped or stretched like the old full screen DVDs.

Why would you zoom in on a 2:35 movie? I've never done that. Just play it as is. I won't "hurt" the tv to have them their.

I own 60+ HDM titles and prefer the directors intent. I'm just looking for some titles to pick up to help break in my new panel.

What did 1:85:1 ever do to you people?

That Springsteen avatar is a little intense rboster. It makes your comments seem all "grrr"
why not a happier avatar?

What did 1:85:1 ever do to you people?

I agree, I don't know where all the hate comes in. I love it, and 1:78:1. I'm so sick of 40% of my TV being wasted by black bars..

Now, that's not to say I want anything re-done, but rather when I see that something is in one of the above-mentioned ratios, I get more excited than hearing about 2:35:1.

Are we ever gonna see 2:41:1 TVs? I personally prefer my screen to be full but I always watch and can appreciate OAR, even during the 4:3 tube days I always opted for OAR.

I'm pretty used to the black bars now and don't bother about them.

I still believe widescreen should mirror the aspect ratio of our natural field of vision. I haven't worked out xactly what that is yet but it would feel natural.

Children of Men.

Buy it.

Children of Men.

Buy it.

Yeah I really enjoyed it...don't read this spoiler, it exposes the ending but I have a question about it.

That ending was iffy. So we are to assume what about fetility? Was the girl the key or was it her BF? What happened exactly? I wish it extended at least five more minutes I wanted to see what happened.

They should simply start selling 2.35 AR versions of TVs...although it only makes sense for people like me, who watch movies exclusively.

The problem with 2.35 is simply the fact that there is a lot of wasted screen space. A 60" TV becomes much less impressive when you put scope on it.

Yeah I really enjoyed it...don't read this spoiler, it exposes the ending but I have a question about it.

That ending was iffy. So we are to assume what about fetility? Was the girl the key or was it her BF? What happened exactly? I wish it extended at least five more minutes I wanted to see what happened.

From wikipedia.

This unanswered question (and others in the film) have been attributed to Cuarón's dislike for expository film: "There's a kind of cinema I detest, which is a cinema that is about exposition and explanations.... It's become now what I call a medium for lazy readers.... Cinema is a hostage of narrative. And I'm very good at narrative as a hostage of cinema."

Director's choice. It was so well done, I have to leave it to him that it was the right choice.

From wikipedia.

This unanswered question (and others in the film) have been attributed to Cuarón's dislike for expository film: "There's a kind of cinema I detest, which is a cinema that is about exposition and explanations.... It's become now what I call a medium for lazy readers.... Cinema is a hostage of narrative. And I'm very good at narrative as a hostage of cinema."

Director's choice. It was so well done, I have to leave it to him that it was the right choice.

Thank you for the info, I never would have thought to look at Wikipedia. Thank you again.

This thread makes me feel much better about my movie habits. I used to think I was pathetic for choosing what movies to watch because they're either on BD or HD... but sorting what I watch depending on the specific aspect ratio, I don't feel as bad anymore. BTW, Crank and Full Metal Jacket are great 1.85:1 movies. I believe Crank is coming to HD via import soon.

The problem with 2.35 is simply the fact that there is a lot of wasted screen space. A 60" TV becomes much less impressive when you put scope on it.

Bingo.

Ah yes...once a week we either get the " I hate black bars thread" or the " I don't see a difference comparing SD and HD."


I fully expect another SD=HD thread within days. Then...we will get the black bar haters thread....and so on and so forth.

I don't see anything wrong with making a list. I also enjoy 1.85 to 1 fitting my screen and I know friends and relatives that much prefer that format. It doesn't mean the movie is bad or that people are 'missing out'. Now is a good time to do this especially with the biggest shopping days of the year not far away.

Here are some 1.85 that I can think of off the top of my head:

Ant Bully
The Hulk
Corpse Bride
Erin Brokovich
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Liar Liar
A Scanner Darkly

It looks like the top 3 rated tier 0 hd-dvds are in this aspect ratio.

Goodfellas

well, 1.78:1, close enough.

Elizabeth

Elizabeth

That was going to be my non-comedy suggestion. The sequel that debuted at the box office this weekend is 1.85 as well.

Knocked Up
40 Year Old Virgin
Full Metal Jacket
Goodfellas
Coming to America

Babel.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Hustle & Flow

Both of which are amazing amazing films that should be in the collections of all HD DVD player owners.

Freedom Writers
Clerks II
The Warriors

I can add Ultimate Avengers BR to that list. As well as Happy Gilmore. Enemy at the Gates Import, and Band of Brothers import.

Keep em coming and see if we can compile an all inclusive list.

Trading Places

Off the top-of-my-head (and trying not to include the already mentioned):

HD DVDs: Billy Madison, Blades of Glory, Bruce Almighty, A Christmas Story (BR, too), National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation (BR, too), Meet the Parents, Meet the Fockers, The Break-Up, Planet Earth (BR, too), Galapagos (BR, too), Liar-Liar, Scary Movie 4, You, Me, and Dupree...

BLU RAYs: A Scanner Darkly (HD, too)The Benchwarmers, Rocky, Brothers Grimm, Click, Hellboy, Open Season, Rocky Balboa, IMAX: Blue Planet (HD, also), Saw 1-3, Scooby Doo (HD, too), Van Wilder, Waiting, The Wild, Stranger than Fiction...

Sorry if any of these repeat from earlier posts. Some of these are 1:78:1, but most are 1:85:1, if I remember correctly.

In IMDb, go to "Technical Specs" in the each film's entry to see its aspect ratio.

children of men
van helsing
midnight run

Anyone feel like whippin up a list of 1:85:1 HDM titles?


12 Monkeys
A Christmas Story Buy
A Scanner Darkly
American Me
An American Werewolf in London
Animal House
Army of Darkness
Being John Malkovich
Billy Madison
Breach
Brokeback Mountain
Bruce Almighty
Carlito's Way
Cat People
Charlie & the Chocolate Factory
Children of Men
Dante's Peak
Darkman
Daylight
Dazed & Confused
Dog Day Afternoon
Dreamgirls
Eagles: Farewell 1 Tour - Live From Melbourne
Elizabeth
Erin Brockovich
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Excalibur
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Field of Dreams
Good Night, and Good Luck
Gothika
Half Baked
Happy Gilmore
Hollywoodland
House of Wax
How The Grinch Stole Christmas
I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry
In Good Company
Knocked Up
Lady in the Water
Lethal Weapon
Liar Liar
Lost in Translation
Mallrats
March of the Penguins
Meet Joe Black
Meet the Fockers
Meet the Parents
Midnight Run
Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
Music and Lyrics
Mystery Men
National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation
Nutty Professor 2
Out of Sight
Pan's Labyrinth
Pat Metheny Group: The Way Up - Live
Patch Adams
Purple Rain
Ray
Scent of a Woman
Scooby-Doo - The Movie
Sea of Love
Smokey and the Bandit
Sneakers
Streets of Fire
The 40-Year-Old Virgin
The Ant Bully
The Big Lebowski
The Break-Up
The Breakfast Club
The Fountain
The Fugitive
The Getaway (1972)
The Host
The Hurricane
The Jerk
The Nutty Professor
The River
The Sting
The War
The Watcher
The Wedding Date
Tim Burton's Corpse Bride
Trading Places (Special Collector's Edition)
Traffic
Tremors
Ultimate Force
Under Siege
Van Helsing
Waterworld
Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory
You Me & Dupree

Just checked my 40 HD-DVD's. I only have four titles that are 1:85:
Army of Darkness
Darkman
Van Helsing
12 Monkeys

The other 36 are 2:35:eek:

Obviously 2:35 framing is considerably more popular w/ film makers. (reason so many projector owners are going to CH and CW set-ups - me too some day:))

Just checked my 40 HD-DVD's. I only have four titles that are 1:85:
Army of Darkness
Darkman
Van Helsing
12 Monkeys

The other 36 are 2:35:eek:

Obviously 2:35 framing is considerably more popular w/ film makers. (reason so many projector owners are going to CH and CW set-ups - me too some day:))

2 Fast 2 Furious
A Mighty Heart
Aeon Flux
Alpha Dog
Anchorman - The Legend of Ron Burgundy
Apollo 13
Assault on Precinct 13
Babel
Backdraft
Black Rain (Special Collector's Edition)
Black Snake Moan
Blades of Glory
Born on the Fourth of July
Bulletproof
Carlito's Way
Casino
Cinderella Man
Coming to America
Dawn of the Dead
Disturbia
Doom
Dragonheart
Dune (1984)
End of Days
Evan Almighty
Face Off
Failure to Launch
Fast & Furious
Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas
Flags of Our Fathers
For Love of the Game
Freedom Writers
Friday Night Lights
Hot Fuzz
Hot Rod
Hulk
Hustle and Flow
Inside Man
Jarhead
King Kong
Land of the Dead
Mercury Rising
Miami Vice
Mission - Impossible II
Mission Impossible
Next
Notting Hill
Payback - Straight Up - The Director's Cut
Pitch Black
Pride & Prejudice
Red Dragon
Seabiscuit
Serenity
Shaun of the Dead
Shooter
Smokin' Aces
Spy Game
Stardust
The Bone Collector
The Bourne IdentityThe Bourne Supremacy
The Contract
The Cowboys
The Deer Hunter
The Fast & The Furious: Tokyo Drift
The Frighteners - Peter Jackson's Director's Cut
The Game
The Getaway (Unrated)
The Interpreter
The Last Starfighter
The Mummy Returns
The Mummy
The Omega Man
The Rundown
The Scorpion King
The Skeleton Key
The Thing
The Ultimate Matrix Collection
The Untouchables (Special Collector's Edition)
The Warriors
Timecop
Transformers
Troy - Director's Cut
U-571
Unleashed
What Dreams May Come

I much prefer the scope ratios (2.4:1)
It makes the movies feel more epic. Can you imagine seeing 300 cropped to 1.85:1? (shudders)

Planet Earth is 1.78:1 I know it's not a movie but it fills the whole screen

Can you imagine seeing 300 cropped to 1.85:1? (shudders)

Yes, I can. You likely will, too, if you order it on HD PPV or have HBO/Cinemax HD.

Yes, I can. You likely will, too, if you order it on HD PPV or have HBO/Cinemax HD.

And I won't order it, I got the HD DVD :)

At least the cropping from 2.40:1 --> 1.78:1 is not as extreme as 2.40:1 ----> 1.33:1

:eek:

The Deer Hunter isn't 1:85:1, it's 2:35:1

I totally understand the "advantages" of 2:35:1, but geeze.. why make TV's 1:85:1 then? They'll probably just have a NEW SUPER WIDE TV in the near future so all us chumps buy one.

I'm with the OP, I know it's forbidden to say around here..but I like to fill up my screen too. :\ There I said it.

I totally understand the "advantages" of 2:35:1, but geeze.. why make TV's 1:85:1 then? They'll probably just have a NEW SUPER WIDE TV in the near future so all us chumps buy one.

I'm with the OP, I know it's forbidden to say around here..but I like to fill up my screen too. :\ There I said it.

HDTV shows are broadcasted in 1.78:1, HD video games are made for 1.78:1 TVs. Movies are 2.40:1~1.85:1. Many TV shows are 1.33:1 news and what not, many old movies are 1.33:1. 16:9 is a good intermediate.

I agree, I don't know where all the hate comes in. I love it, and 1:78:1. I'm so sick of 40% of my TV being wasted by black bars..

Now, that's not to say I want anything re-done, but rather when I see that something is in one of the above-mentioned ratios, I get more excited than hearing about 2:35:1.
Does the movie matter at all, or is it just the joy of a full screen?

I totally understand the "advantages" of 2:35:1, but geeze.. why make TV's 1:85:1 then? They'll probably just have a NEW SUPER WIDE TV in the near future so all us chumps buy one.
Some of us chumps have had 2.35:1 screens for years now.

I agree, I don't know where all the hate comes in. I love it, and 1:78:1. I'm so sick of 40% of my TV being wasted by black bars..

I'd rather have 40% of my TV real estate being wasted than have 40% of my movie laying on the cutting room floor.

I totally understand the "advantages" of 2:35:1, but geeze.. why make TV's 1:85:1 then? They'll probably just have a NEW SUPER WIDE TV in the near future so all us chumps buy one.



Ok, so you have a new super wide 2.35:1 TV. Now, what do you do when you buy a 1.85:1 movie?

Some of us chumps have had 2.35:1 screens for years now.

Never seen a 2:35:1 TV myself so kudos to you! This thread wouldn't benefit you much then. :)

Ok, so you have a new super wide 2.35:1 TV. Now, what do you do when you buy a 1.85:1 movie?

Good question.. black bars on the side? Eeeeuuw.

Some of us chumps have had 2.35:1 screens for years now.

I'm sure some of you chumps do.. but he said 2:35:1 TV, not a screen.. There aren't any TVs made with the aspect ratio (IIRC)..

:cool:

Never seen a 2:35:1 TV myself so kudos to you! This thread wouldn't benefit you much then. :)

That would be a projector screen @ 2.35:1. Which I assume would also have a constant height setup so that the black bars on the sides (for < 2.35:1 material) could be masked by curtains... like in a theater.

A 2.35:1 TV wouldn't solve anything... it is just trading one shape for another.

Try this: Turn the lights off. If you can still see black bars, maybe your brightness is too high.

Good question.. black bars on the side? Eeeeuuw.

Yup, black bars on the side. Not nearly as eeeeuw as having them on the top and bottom, as the movie you are wanting to watch became smaller(shorter) instead of just wider. It is also much easier to mask those side bars with curtains or some sort of masking system so that you don't even see them.

I prefer to have my screen filled as well. Given that the majority of HD movies are filmed in 2.35:1 to 2.40:1, I went with a 2.40:1 screen. I watch everything in the original aspect ratio, and just put up with bars on the sides when watching 1.85/1.78 material. Cool thing is that everything is the same height... just the bigger wider movies are just ummm, bigger and wider.... as intended. If the bars bug me enough, I'll add some masking to my screen down the road for when I watch 16x9 material.

I'm sure some of you chumps do.. but he said 2:35:1 TV, not a screen.. There aren't any TVs made with the aspect ratio (IIRC)..

:cool:

Yup, TV's are intended for...TV. 2.35 FP is the way to go for movies, I think, so wider movies are seen as wider, not shorter...like in a theater.

I'd like to ask a question to the OAR people:

I've heard of movies filmed in 2.4 where they "open the frame" (not quite sure that's the phrase) to make a 1.85 disc that instead of black bars has more background at the top and bottom. In your opinion is this type of AR change detrimental?

It would be nice if it were somehow a player feature whether to mask this extra part with black bars or just show it. This would seem to satisfy both the OAR and "fill the screen" groups, right?

I'd like to ask a question to the OAR people:

I've heard of movies filmed in 2.4 where they "open the frame" (not quite sure that's the phrase) to make a 1.85 disc that instead of black bars has more background at the top and bottom. In your opinion is this type of AR change detrimental?

It would be nice if it were somehow a player feature whether to mask this extra part with black bars or just show it. This would seem to satisfy both the OAR and "fill the screen" groups, right?

It's called Open Matte and yes, it is detrimental to the film. The director shoots his films with a certain aspect ratio in mind. All that film that is cropped off was never meant to be in the shot, the people and stage sets are set in certain places on purpose. Also many times when you "open up" the film you'll see boom mikes and other set devices due to the film being shot FOR 2.35:1 etc..

Yup, black bars on the side. Not nearly as eeeeuw as having them on the top and bottom, as the movie you are wanting to watch became smaller(shorter) instead of just wider. It is also much easier to mask those side bars with curtains or some sort of masking system so that you don't even see them.

I prefer to have my screen filled as well. Given that the majority of HD movies are filmed in 2.35:1 to 2.40:1, I went with a 2.40:1 screen. I watch everything in the original aspect ratio, and just put up with bars on the sides when watching 1.85/1.78 material. Cool thing is that everything is the same height... just the bigger wider movies are just ummm, bigger and wider.... as intended. If the bars bug me enough, I'll add some masking to my screen down the road for when I watch 16x9 material.

I see.. Well, for us schmoes with rickety ole plasmas and LCDs, that's not an option. Good insight though, thanks. :)

I don't get the hate for 1.85:1. Spiderman 1 was 1:85 and it was a good movie. Casablanca was 1.33:1 and it is an EXCELLENT movie. You can do great work in any screen ratio. The OP just wants some movies that fill his screen WITHOUT Zooming and cutting off part of the picture.

I don't get the hate for 1.85:1. Spiderman 1 was 1:85 and it was a good movie. Casablanca was 1.33:1 and it is an EXCELLENT movie. You can do great work in any screen ratio. The OP just wants some movies that fill his screen WITHOUT Zooming and cutting off part of the picture.

there isn't any hate for other aspect ratios. What happens is that OAR proponents get really annoyed when people come in hear and start whining about how ALL movies should be in 1.78/1.85:1 and that 2.35:1 suxorz cuz their screen isn't filled. Their is nothing wrong with 1.85:1, it's a good aspect ratio, just not appropriate for all films according to directors, and it should be left that way.

there isn't any hate for other aspect ratios. What happens is that OAR proponents get really annoyed when people come in hear and start whining about how ALL movies should be in 1.78/1.85:1 and that 2.35:1 suxorz cuz their screen isn't filled. Their is nothing wrong with 1.85:1, it's a good aspect ratio, just not appropriate for all films according to directors, and it should be left that way.

The problem is that when someone asks an innocent question like "what movies are in 1.85:1" the OAR proponents get annoyed, even though OP didn't say anything bad about 2.35:1.

The problem is that when someone asks an innocent question like "what movies are in 1.85:1" the OAR proponents get annoyed, even though OP didn't say anything bad about 2.35:1.

yeah, understand, we can kind of jump the gun sometimes. However to play devils advocate. I believe the reason that happens is because 99% of these threads turn into some people whining how they want their dang screen filled. It's a pattern.

I've heard of movies filmed in 2.4 where they "open the frame" (not quite sure that's the phrase) to make a 1.85 disc that instead of black bars has more background at the top and bottom. In your opinion is this type of AR change detrimental?

It would be nice if it were somehow a player feature whether to mask this extra part with black bars or just show it. This would seem to satisfy both the OAR and "fill the screen" groups, right?
An option to put in the stuff the director didn't want seen? OAR is about the theatrical presentation, not the raw footage worked with in production.

I don't get the hate for 1.85:1.
I don't get the "hate" for any particular aspect ratio. Movies are still created for theaters, not TVs.

I would actually buy movies that were open matte if there was a choice....I kinda like the whole screen filled too...

I don't get the "hate" for any particular aspect ratio. Movies are still created for theaters, not TVs.

No offense, but not everyone has a gawd damn MOVIE THEATER in their house.

I would actually buy movies that were open matte if there was a choice....I kinda like the whole screen filled too...


I don't doubt most of the population agrees with you about full-screen.

No offense, but not everyone has a gawd damn MOVIE THEATER in their house.

Still, movies aren't, and should not be, crafted for TV sets. TV shows are.



I take no offense at anonymous internet posts. ;)

Wow, I read through a page and a half of people whining and moaning because a person asked a question. I'd understand if it had been answered a bazzillion times or if he/she worded it as though a certain aspect ratio was superior than another, but those were not the case. You all need to get off your high horses and get on the shetlands. The weather is better down here in normal people world.

Thanks to the people who politely responded to the person's response.

Wow, I read through a page and a half of people whining and moaning because a person asked a question. I'd understand if it had been answered a bazzillion times or if he/she worded it as though a certain aspect ratio was superior than another, but those were not the case. You all need to get off your high horses and get on the shetlands. The weather is better down here in normal people world.



So your definition of a normal person is one who enjoys butchered presentations of a movie.

I see.....

I agree, I don't know where all the hate comes in. I love it, and 1:78:1. I'm so sick of 40% of my TV being wasted by black bars..

Now, that's not to say I want anything re-done, but rather when I see that something is in one of the above-mentioned ratios, I get more excited than hearing about 2:35:1.

+1 to all the above and similar comments.

I can't afford a CIH projection system so 1.85 gives me more square feet of image.

Greg

there isn't any hate for other aspect ratios. What happens is that OAR proponents get really annoyed when people come in hear and start whining about how ALL movies should be in 1.78/1.85:1 and that 2.35:1 suxorz cuz their screen isn't filled. Their is nothing wrong with 1.85:1, it's a good aspect ratio, just not appropriate for all films according to directors, and it should be left that way.

The OP never spoke out against OAR, he just wanted to know which titles had an OAR or 1.85:1. MANY PEOPLE HAVE MISSED THIS!!!

Greg

So your definition of a normal person is one who enjoys butchered presentations of a movie.

I see.....

YOU AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION!!! The OP was wanting to hear about 1.85 as the OAR, not chopping up a 2.35 and making it into a 1.85.

That is three posts in a row for me. I think it is time to go watch Top Gun in whatever aspect ratio it is.

Greg

I can't afford a CIH projection system so 1.85 gives me more square feet of image.
Does this affect the way you experience a movie, or even a buying decision on one? You get more "excited" by 1.85 movies?

Does this affect the way you experience a movie, or even a buying decision on one? You get more "excited" by 1.85 movies?

i do. can someone list BD 1.85 pls?

WOW go me i helped myself.

http://mysite.verizon.net/ruvic/bluray-full.htm

I have no problem with the 2:40:1 and such but I am breaking in a plasma at the moment and the 1:85:1 is better than zooming a 2:40:1.

Ha! That's exactly why I'm searching on this, and AVS comes through again. I just got the new Plasma 46S1 and I only want to watch 1:85's for the first 100 hours or so.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Heroes S1

Those are the main titles I can think of not listed yet. Children of Men is an absolute must-have.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

Those are the main titles I can think of not listed yet.
I don't think it means what you think it means. :p