Warner has also announced that Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is finally coming to Blu-ray Disc on 12/4 (the title is already available on HD-DVD). The disc will include new filmmaker's commentary, 2 other audio commentaries, the In Movie Experience, an introduction by Arnold Schwarzenegger and 40 minutes of additional features (SRP $28.99).

www.thedigitalbits.com

Warner has also announced that Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is finally coming to Blu-ray Disc on 12/4 (the title is already available on HD-DVD). The disc will include new filmmaker's commentary, 2 other audio commentaries, the In Movie Experience, an introduction by Arnold Schwarzenegger and 40 minutes of additional features (SRP $28.99).

www.thedigitalbits.com


I hope they will add PCM track hmm, I think HD DVD version have DD+ right ?

Anyone knows if they have 1.5mbit track on T3, HD DVD....

One can dream about PCM 24bit/48kHz hmm

Marek

I hope they will add PCM track hmm, I think HD DVD version have DD+ right ?

Anyone knows if they have 1.5mbit track on T3, HD DVD....

One can dream about PCM 24bit/48kHz hmm

Marek

it's warner, best bet is both formats get the sh!tty 640kbps dd/dd+, or truehd with dialogue normalization. i dont think warner ever used DD+ 1.5, best case scenario would be both formats getting TrueHD minus dialnorm. also possible truehd on hd dvd and pcm for blu-ray like in Troy.

it's warner, best bet is both formats get the sh!tty 640kbps dd/dd+, or truehd with dialogue normalization. i dont think warner ever used DD+ 1.5, best case scenario would be both formats getting TrueHD minus dialnorm. also possible truehd on hd dvd and pcm for blu-ray like in Troy.

damm :(

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/terminator3.html

All the specs and extras are identical to the previous HD DVD release, including a first-ever, true PIP track on the Blu-ray. Of course, whether or not it will actually work in any players remains a question mark.

Retail is $28.99.
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It`d be nice if they release a Bluray Spec Ed. T1/T2/T3 set.

It`d be nice if they release a Bluray Spec Ed. T1/T2/T3 set.

Not likely to happen. T1 is MGM, T2 is Lionsgate, T3 is Warner. Not saying it wouldn't be nice though.

i dont think warner ever used DD+ 1.5

According to High-Def Digest's review, "The Cowboys" on HD DVD has a DD+ track with a bitrate of 1.5 Mbps.

Not likely to happen. T1 is MGM, T2 is Lionsgate, T3 is Warner. Not saying it wouldn't be nice though.

What a licensing mess this trilogy has become! :mad: The HD DVD only has a crappy 640kbps DD+ track. I'll pick this up on Blu-ray if it gets PCM or TrueHD.

Why on earth was this one ever released with a 640k track? The Truck chase scene should be tremendous in lossless or PCM.

Just a little extra confirmation from Warner:

http://highdefdiscnews.com/images/t3bluray_full.jpg

Just a little extra confirmation from Warner:

http://highdefdiscnews.com/images/t3bluray_full.jpg

:eek: There is a Dolby TrueHD logo on that. Plus a Blu-ray exclusive commentary. :eek:

:eek: There is a Dolby TrueHD logo on that. Plus a Blu-ray exclusive commentary. :eek:

I was just going to point out the TrueHD logo. Hopefully that's not in error.

Yeah, there's a TrueHD Logo, a DD + logo (for the HD DVD shown on the flyer), a DD logo (for the Blu-Ray) so, by the logic itself it mean that BluRay got TrueHD

It would be stupid for Warner to add 40min of supplements , 1 extra commentary track, intro by Arnold and not add TrueHD on a 50gig disc..

it's warner, best bet is both formats get the sh!tty 640kbps dd/dd+, or truehd with dialogue normalization. i dont think warner ever used DD+ 1.5, best case scenario would be both formats getting TrueHD minus dialnorm. also possible truehd on hd dvd and pcm for blu-ray like in Troy.

hahaha you are right. Warner always give us Blu-ray some ****** 640kb Dolby digital plus.

Why on earth was this one ever released with a 640k track? The Truck chase scene should be tremendous in lossless or PCM.

Taken from today's HighDefDigest review of Transformers HD DVD: link (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1110/transformers.html)

When audio specs for 'Transformers' were announced, there was a collective sigh of disappointment from early adopters when we learned that there would be no high-res audio tracks included on this disc. Given that this is such a flagship title for the studio, the decision was quite the head-scratcher.

Indeed, I had the opportunity to attend a special 'Transformers' media event with Paramount late last week, and the question was asked almost immediately -- why no Dolby TrueHD or uncompressed PCM? The studio's answer was that due to space limitations on the disc, the decision was made to limit the audio to Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround only (here at 1.5mbps). Unfortunately, this confirms the long-held theory that the 30Gb capacity of an HD-30 dual-layer HD DVD disc has forced studios to choose between offering a robust supplements package (as they've done here) and the very best in audio quality.



My guess is Warner will use BD-25 for T3, therefore we get stuck with the same 640k DD+ from the HD DVD version.

Taken from today's HighDefDigest review of Transformers HD DVD: link (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1110/transformers.html)




My guess is Warner will use BD-25 for T3, therefore we get stuck with the same 640k DD+ from the HD DVD version.

What does Transformers have to do with T3?

Hopefully BB, Matrix, V for, will show up before christmas as well. It makes the most sense to release them before the holidays for maximum sales.

What does Transformers have to do with T3?

Yeah, especially when Transformers has a DD+ track with a bitrate of 1.5 Mbps. Compared to the measly 640 kbps Warner uses.

I was just going to point out the TrueHD logo. Hopefully that's not in error.

Agreed. T3 is exactly the kind of movie that would benefit from TrueHD.

My guess is Warner will use BD-25 for T3, therefore we get stuck with the same 640k DD+ from the HD DVD version.
i'm guessing it will be a BD-50, simply because they are supposedly using fake PiP for the IME. that may be a blessing in disguise, since there would likely still be enough space to include lossless audio for the audiophiles.

i'm guessing it will be a BD-50, simply because they are supposedly using fake PiP for the IME. that may be a blessing in disguise, since there would likely still be enough space to include lossless audio for the audiophiles.

Well why fake? From Nov 1, Profile 1.1 is officially 'Online' even tought there's no player right now. Paidgeek said a while ago that the software side is ready since a long time and they were waiting for All In One SOC solution before putting it in Hardware.

I mean, if WB were to fake it. they would have released the other already..

From what I heard it ain't suppose to be fake since players are coming out soon with profile 1.1 and also the PS3 is suppose to get this update very soon as well.

Just a little extra confirmation from Warner:

http://highdefdiscnews.com/images/t3bluray_full.jpg

thanx for LINK !!

there is a hope for DolbyTrueHD !

Marek

I care more about the extra commentary than TrueHD. If that's the case, I'll be selling my HD.

I care more about the extra commentary than TrueHD. If that's the case, I'll be selling my HD.

extra commentary is great !! plus if we will get DolbyTrueHD, that will be super great :)

Marek

I care more about the extra commentary than TrueHD. If that's the case, I'll be selling my HD.

Is the extra commentary supposed to be the same one on the HD-DVD version?

Well why fake? From Nov 1, Profile 1.1 is officially 'Online' even tought there's no player right now. Paidgeek said a while ago that the software side is ready since a long time and they were waiting for All In One SOC solution before putting it in Hardware.

I mean, if WB were to fake it. they would have released the other already..
that's just some insider info that was reported over at dvdtalk. take it with a grain of salt, as with any insider info.

From Blu-Ray.com (http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=594):

Warner Home Video has announced that they are bringing 'Terminator 3' to Blu-ray on December 4th. This title has been on HD DVD for quite some time, but hadn't received the Blu-ray treatment due to the IME (In Movie Experience) feature. With Blu-ray moving to Profile v1.1, Warner will finally bring this title to Blu-ray with the Picture-in-Picture IME feature intact.
The disc will mirror the HD DVD release, which includes 1080p VC-1 video and Dolby Digital audio. In addition to the IME, extras include deleted scenes, commentary, and an introduction by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I really hope the TrueHD track is included. This movie is great eye/ear candy if nothing else. It's actually grown on me, whereas it was a mild disappointment originally.

From Blu-Ray.com (http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=594):

Warner Home Video has announced that they are bringing 'Terminator 3' to Blu-ray on December 4th. This title has been on HD DVD for quite some time, but hadn't received the Blu-ray treatment due to the IME (In Movie Experience) feature. With Blu-ray moving to Profile v1.1, Warner will finally bring this title to Blu-ray with the Picture-in-Picture IME feature intact.
The disc will mirror the HD DVD release, which includes 1080p VC-1 video and Dolby Digital audio. In addition to the IME, extras include deleted scenes, commentary, and an introduction by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

He wrote what Digital Bits Wrote..

Well, everyone is working off of the same sell-sheet which we've seen posted at High Def Digest. What more is there to really write beyond the same thing in a different way?

honestly warner should just release these movies now and re-release profile 1.1 editions when it comes out. many of us who don't care about PiP features would love to have these movies sooner, and with lossless audio.

i do also wish warner would include lossless audio on discs that ddint have lossless on the hd dvd version also. seems they only include it when the hd dvd has a trueHD track. it's the least they should do if they want to use the same video encode.

honestly warner should just release these movies now and re-release profile 1.1 editions when it comes out. many of us who don't care about PiP features would love to have these movies sooner, and with lossless audio.

i do also wish warner would include lossless audio on discs that ddint have lossless on the hd dvd version also. seems they only include it when the hd dvd has a trueHD track. it's the least they should do if they want to use the same video encode.

Well, they might as well wait 2 weeks. :)

If we can get a confirmation about the TrueHD soundtrack and exclusive commentary then I'll definitely be selling off my HD DVD version.

T3 is distributed by Sony everywhere outside US.

So if a lossless track doesn't come now. I'm sure it will come once it's released in Japan, Korea or Europe.

I would buy this yet again for TrueHD. The DD+ on the HD DVD is good, but didn't seem as raucous as the DTS track on the R3 DVD. If it's got lossless audio, I'm in.

If this has PCM I'll buy it again on BD instantly! :D

I'd wager this is not a FSP ("1.1" Profile) title. Basically anytime a studio says "in-movie" or "PIP" features on a future BD release, the various writers/bloggers assume it's a Final Standard Profile title. I have never once seen a confirmation from the studios. (If you have, please link!)

There are no standalone FSP players in the market today, and most of the ones that were going to launch have been delayed. Would it be smart to advertise a feature that would only work on the PS3 (once upgraded to FSP) and none of the existing standalone BD players? I'd personally pick a "fake" PIP in-movie experience on a BD50 and support everyone.

We'll see... so far, we at least have "Hairspray (2007 Musical)", "Rush Hour 3", "Resident Evil 3: Extinction" & now "T3" in the FSP rumor list. I guess the later the release, the better chances it could be real... but...

:)Finally i can complete the trilogy on blu ray. Sold my hd dvd allready.

Next, T2 dir.cut on Bd with pcm please!!!! :)

I'd wager this is not a FSP ("1.1" Profile) title. Basically anytime a studio says "in-movie" or "PIP" features on a future BD release, the various writers/bloggers assume it's a Final Standard Profile title. I have never once seen a confirmation from the studios. (If you have, please link!)

There are no standalone FSP players in the market today, and most of the ones that were going to launch have been delayed. Would it be smart to advertise a feature that would only work on the PS3 (once upgraded to FSP) and none of the existing standalone BD players? I'd personally pick a "fake" PIP in-movie experience on a BD50 and support everyone.

We'll see... so far, we at least have "Hairspray (2007 Musical)", "Rush Hour 3", "Resident Evil 3: Extinction" & now "T3" in the FSP rumor list. I guess the later the release, the better chances it could be real... but...

The new LG combo player is already out. It supports 1.1 profile. The PS3 will most likely get the 1.1 or 2.0 update in a few weeks. At this point, we have to assume that it's true PIP, otherwise, Warner would have done the fake PIP already.

The new LG combo player is already out. It supports 1.1 profile. The PS3 will most likely get the 1.1 or 2.0 update in a few weeks. At this point, we have to assume that it's true PIP, otherwise, Warner would have done the fake PIP already.

I have no idea why they never did the fake PIP in the first place. It isn't like Blu-Ray doesn't have an extra 20GB to stick an IME encode. I suppose it's possible that the bitrate would have to be lowered on the "IME version" on some movies since they are limited to 20GB, but... WBs IME has never been interactive like U-Control (which, most of the time, is unnecessarily interactive).

Warner doesn't even do separate encodes for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD… they're not about to do two encodes on the same disc. Cost alone dictates that this be true IME.

Personally, I hope that it is two separate encodes… then maybe we'll start getting better encodes for BD. :D

Cost dictates? Doubtful. Warner does their own authoring. Producing a 2nd video with burned-in IME/PIP and then encoding it is likely just as or less time consuming/expensive as producing and authoring IME overlay material. Due to the complexity and additional QA testing needed, I'd think that real IME/PIP would be more costly.

eightninesuited, you are right. I see some retailers are finally getting shipments of the ~$1K USD LG BH200 combo player this week. But I don't think that really changes the current landscape. I just don't think it's late enough in the game to exclude any disc features from the folks that jumped on board in the first year if there is an alternative... we'll see in the next few months.

Update: It seems the LG BH200s aren't actually for sale yet (demo units?)... Oh, well. Maybe in the next few weeks...

Cost dictates? Doubtful. Warner does their own authoring. Producing a 2nd video with burned-in IME/PIP and then encoding it is likely just as or less time consuming/expensive as producing and authoring IME overlay material. Due to the complexity and additional QA testing needed, I'd think that real IME/PIP would be more costly.Except that it's already done. The money's been spent; there's no sense spending more just to cater to the limitations/capabilities of an additional format. If they could do separate encodes and get away with it on HD-DVD, maybe they would (assuming it is cheaper, of which I have no doubt)… but that would depend upon their commitment to "advanced functionality."

Warner's made it abundantly clear that they want to do a single job and apply it to both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD… if they can't, they either reorganize the content so as to make it accessible via different means (300), strip certain features out (such as lossless audio to make a 30GB HD-DVD package fit on a 25GB BD), or simply don't release (Matrix, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, etc.?) at least until the platform becomes sufficiently capable (T3). That time is just around the corner.

Is there any place that has a placeholder for pre-order? I can't find one anywhere...

Sorry, as I expected... it's not FSP ("1.1" Profile). Smart choice. I'm betting the other rumored FSP PIP titles are the same...

Warner Getting More Blu, by Chris Tribbey (Home Media Magazine)

Warner Home Video is calling it a "titlewave" and it spells nothing but good news for Blu-ray Disc fans.

Blu-ray viewers don’t have access to some Warner 20 titles that are available on HD DVD. But with the announcement of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines on Blu-ray Dec. 4, there’s hope. The announcement promises "more high-def releases soon" and the Blu-ray of T3 will include an In-Movie Experience, Warner Bros. first picture-in-picture (PIP) BD. The release also includes three commentaries, gag reels, a storyboard comparison, making-of featurettes and an introduction from Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Daniel Silverberg, VP of HD media development for the studio, noted that the T3 Blu-ray is not Blu-ray profile 1.1, the mandated programming required for all Blu-ray players introduced after Oct. 31. Profile 1.1 requires the addition of a second video decoder, allowing for PIP features, and expansion of required memory to 256MB. Both Lionsgate and Disney previously have released Blu-ray discs that allow for some PIP using current BD technology.

"We remain hopeful that Blu-ray hardware manufacturers get Profile 1.1 and BD Live (profile 2.0) players into the market place soon and the user base grows in order for us to deliver the same interactive and connected content on all high-def discs regardless of format," Silverberg said.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?article_id=11389

I saw the hddvd version, even though the PQ was slightly soft the sound was awesome even at 640kb.

Sorry, as I expected... it's not FSP ("1.1" Profile). Smart choice. I'm betting the other rumored FSP PIP titles are the same...Great! Now we can really take them to task for their BS HD-DVD encodes on Blu-Ray. What's their excuse now?

Moorebid, off topic... but I don't understand your logic at all. How does Warner wasting space for fake PIP IME on BD somehow make it easier to "take them to task" on the quality of their encode/authoring workflow?

It's actually quite pertinent to the topic… Warner has been doing a single encode of each film they release for both formats, presumably to save money; consequently, both formats are resticted to the bandwidth/capacity limitations of HD-DVD. On titles with IME elements, they've simply refused to release them on Blu-Ray - presumably until such a time as the platform becomes capable of supporting them - instead of dumbing them down to suit the limitations of Blu-Ray.

The timing of T3's release would seem primed to capitalize on the platform's impending support; but instead of using the elements they already have in place - which shouldn't amount to any more cost (save for the BD-J development which will have to take place anyway, and should be applicable to any future releases), they've decided to spend the money on a re-encode of the entire feature - catering to the heretofore obsolete limitations of Blu-Ray - which they could have done all along… begging the question, why wait this long? But I digress…

I can understand the reasoning behind doing it this way at this time - they don't want to piss off early-adopters, that's fine - but it's a stark contrast with their prior history, and it shines a light on their apparent policy of serving the lowest-common-denominator. In this case, the same holds true for standard releases as it now does for IME titles; the difference is that their practice for IME titles is in direct contradiction to their practice for standard releases… thus taking them to task, even if it's a mere pittance (it's still a far-stretch from doing separate encodes for all of their releases); this is a tiny drop in an already-small pond.

I think this will be coming out tomorrow. I'll stay tuned for a review.

:)Finally i can complement the trilogy on blu ray. Sold my hd dvd allready.

Next, T2 dir.cut on Bd with pcm please!!!! :)

me too.

i am dying for the T2: extendard version. MUST HAVE PCM . PLEASE LIONGATE RELEASE IT. Must write to mr. santa clasue. please make our wish come true.

Merry Christmas to all!! Happy Holidays

Well folks, I have some bad news for you that ordered this title already who are hoping for a lossless audio track like I was...

I stopped in to the Fry's Electronics here in Downers Grove and low-and-behold, T3 was already on the shelf for a mere $19.99. I quickly picked it up and turned it to the back to look at the audio specs. All I saw was plain Jane Dolby Digital 5.1 :mad::mad::mad:.

Warner needs to pull its head out of its ass. This is a blockbuster title that should feature AT LEAST a PCM track, if not a 24 bit Tru-HD track as well. I am a stickler about audio, and I RARELY buy a movie if lossless audio is not featured anymore. As such, this was a deal-breaker for me. Very disappointing.

^Now that is some sad news....:(:mad:

This is not news... The back coverscan has been out for months showing only DD.

This is not news... The back coverscan has been out for months showing only DD.

It is news if you caught a glance at this promo, which seems to be legit and from Warner Home Video...

http://highdefdiscnews.com/images/t3bluray_full.jpg

At the bottom is a Dolby TrueHD logo in full glory...

It is news if you caught a glance at this promo, which seems to be legit and from Warner Home Video...

http://highdefdiscnews.com/images/t3bluray_full.jpg

At the bottom is a Dolby TrueHD logo in full glory...

The scan of the back cover was posted after that fact sheet.

A deal breaker for me for a purchase as audio is a very high priority for me. I already have this on SD DVD and can live with it. I'll try to rent the BD though as I'm curious on the PQ.

Its funny. To me, the Dolby tracks....while not PCM, and I know that...at 640 kbps.... are SUCH a step up from regular tracks...especially warner which were are half that bit rate. Listening to "The Island" on my Blu ray import, compared to the standard DVD is WAAAY better. Just my 2 cents.


BTW just curious ...does anyone know what the Dolby bit rate was on D-Theater tapes?? . I remember peple used to rave about how much better they were than regular DVDs

Its funny. To me, the Dolby tracks....while not PCM, and I know that...at 640 kbps.... are SUCH a step up from regular tracks...especially warner which were are half that bit rate. Listening to "The Island" on my Blu ray import, compared to the standard DVD is WAAAY better. Just my 2 cents.


BTW just curious ...does anyone know what the Dolby bit rate was on D-Theater tapes?? . I remember peple used to rave about how much better they were than regular DVDs


They were higher than 448 but not quite 640. Even the standard 640 that we're seeing with these new formats is higher than any other pre-recorded format to date.

The quicker warner goes blu the quicker we see AVC 50GB Lossless codecs on their titles instead of lousy ports.

BTW just curious ...does anyone know what the Dolby bit rate was on D-Theater tapes?? . I remember peple used to rave about how much better they were than regular DVDs

576 Kbit

I care more about the extra commentary than TrueHD. If that's the case, I'll be selling my HD.

I've been keeping an eye on this release! I usually go HD DVD for Warner releases, but went with the 'The Departed' BD due to the PCM soundtrack (curiosity), and am under the impression the T3 BD will deliver more value than the HD DVD version. (Plus, I already have T1 and T2 on BD, might as well maintain the trend :)!)

PS. Just because BD-ROM 1.1 is now required on newly marketed BD players, doesn't mean it makes sense for studios to start using it for their PiP content. There are just too many 1.0 players in homes for studios to pretend they don't exist. How many 1.1 players are available right now? One? Two if the UP5000 supports it (or is that waiting for a FW upgrade)? The situation will probably be far worse when it comes to having titles support BD-ROM 2.0 -- that spec is purely optional!

EDIT:
Well folks, I have some bad news for you that ordered this title already who are hoping for a lossless audio track like I was...

I stopped in to the Fry's Electronics here in Downers Grove and low-and-behold, T3 was already on the shelf for a mere $19.99. I quickly picked it up and turned it to the back to look at the audio specs. All I saw was plain Jane Dolby Digital 5.1 :mad::mad::mad:.

Warner needs to pull its head out of its ass. This is a blockbuster title that should feature AT LEAST a PCM track, if not a 24 bit Tru-HD track as well. I am a stickler about audio, and I RARELY buy a movie if lossless audio is not featured anymore. As such, this was a deal-breaker for me. Very disappointing.

Darn! I didn't notice this thread dated back to mid October :(! Looks as though the BD T3 is the same as the HD DVD T3. Bummer! :(

I just picked it up. I must say the picture is spectacular. I think Tier 0. There are some shots in the desert that I think are simply as awesome as bluray is going to look.

576 Kbit
Wow. So it is actually a bit less than the 640 tracks on bluray. I did not know that. Thanks!

Wow. So it is actually a bit less than the 640 tracks on bluray. I did not know that. Thanks!

64 bits less actually!! :D So that's 8bits more per channel... I doubt that even matters much!

Posters at blu-ray.com are reporting that the T3 Blu-ray only plays in 1080i, not 1080p.

Is this yet another Warner screwup?

Yes, its confirmed to play 1080p with IME but only 1080i with the movie by itself playing.

Yes, its confirmed to play 1080p with IME but only 1080i with the movie by itself playing.

+1

I called Warner to put my name on the replacement list.

Man, I'm getting tired of this ... HP, then Blade Runner, and now T3.

Maybe they did a 2nd encode @ 1080i instead of seemless branching. At 1080i, this should save some space right? We know this is not a 1.1 title so this must be how Warner got around the limitation. Someone with a PC drive needs to pop it in and take a look.

For most display devices, I doubt the resulting image will be much different. (Easy to test... compare the IME version, output at 1080p, to the non-IME, output at 1080i currently.)

1080i60 doesn't save space over 1080p24, FYI. Not sure what happened to this disc. It may just have a flag set incorrectly?

The quicker warner goes blu the quicker we see AVC 50GB Lossless codecs on their titles instead of lousy ports.


I wouldn't hold your breath on that (if/when they even go BR).

Odd that right around the time I start buying WB titles on Blu-ray instead of HD-DVD, all these problems start occuring.

I've been lucky so far with Blade Runner(Disc 5 was a floater, but it did have the workprint). And I bought the Harry Potter titles individually instead of the box set, so that wasn't an issue either.

Any other major WB releases on the horizon?

This release seems very soft in most scenes.
Surprising...considering the age of the movie.
Most of the film looks like a good DVD.:rolleyes:

I know this is a port, and if this is an example of what HD-DVD has been getting....:eek:
WB needs to go BD exclusive, like yesterday, and start taking advantage of a 50gb disk.

The DD 5.1 is very good....huge hits on the SW.:)

Rental from Netflix. Thought the PQ was very good BUT the audio is what really surprised me here. I definitely needed to lower the volume on this one due to adjoining apartment dwellers. Lots of action in this movie and you will note some room shaker sequences so to speak. The surrounds were quite active. The whole thing was just a very nice experience.

I will pick this one up when it is available for a good price since the audio is no longer a concern! I only watch in 1080i resolution anyway.