just to drive the Michael Bay discussion to another view point, doesnt Bay's statement implies that film lovers who support HD DVD as 'not critical'? and also those who bought the extremely over priced PS3 consoles with majorly less game software as 'smart' ?

http://usatoday.com/life/movies/dvd/2007-10-22-transformers-bay_N.htm

Bay caused a brouhaha on his blog (michaelbay.com) by voicing his displeasure that Transformers would not be available on Blu-ray and that he was rethinking his plan to direct a sequel. The next day he backpedaled, but he is still upset about the format war.

"It's short-sighted and it has delayed consumers' moving to HD (home video)," he says. "As a director, my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is. Consumers are smart, and they are going to wait it out."

just to drive the Michael Bay discussion to another view point, doesnt Bay's statement implies that film lovers who support HD DVD as 'not critical'? and also those who bought the extremely over priced PS3 consoles with majorly less game software as 'smart' ?

http://usatoday.com/life/movies/dvd/2007-10-22-transformers-bay_N.htm

What exactly did you pay for your 360 + HD-DVD addon and it's 1080p VGA support?



Anyway.....

What exactly did you pay for your 360 + HD-DVD addon and it's 1080p VGA support?

Anyway.....

the add on can also be used as a PC drive that can also be loaned to friends so that they can use it on their PCs. the add on and the xbox 360 console = two optical drives. so stop comparing designer toilet seat with some self dug desert crap hole ;)

190,000 sold in its first week Michael! Looks like there's money in both.

the add on can also be used as a PC drive that can also be loaned to friends so that they can use it on their PCs. the add on and the xbox 360 console = two optical drives. so stop comparing designer toilet seat with some self dug desert crap hole ;)

haha....

xboi, once again your thread title is as misleading as ever and I honestly believe that you do that on purpose to generate controversy. I don't really understand why the mods have not done anything more permanent about that considering that you do this a few times every week. All Michael Bay said was that he prefers Blu-ray and last I checked that is a personal opinion and one that I would happen to agree with.

xboi, once again your thread title is as misleading as ever and I honestly believe that you do that on purpose to generate controversy. I don't really understand why the mods have not done anything more permanent about that considering that you do this a few times every week. All Michael Bay said was that he prefers Blu-ray and last I checked that is a personal opinion and one that I would happen to agree with.

there is no need to imply that the opposite others as 'not critical' to express once preference on a format. ;) . He used the term and i am just highlighting the consequences.

there is no need to imply that the opposite others as 'not critical' to express once preference on a format. ;) . He used the term and i am just highlighting the consequences.


Hold on, I'm going to http://babelfish.altavista.com so I can translate that.

I'll get back to you in a minute.

Hold on, I'm going to http://babelfish.altavista.com so I can translate that.

I'll get back to you in a minute.

done? what language did you translate to?

done? what language did you translate to?

اذا كان شخص ما لوصف أبله أنني اردت ان يكون هذا التعريف.

there is no need to imply that the opposite others as 'not critical' to express once preference on a format.He never said that and you are assuming a lot more than what he said and I think the only reason you do that is to generate controversy.


He used the term and i am just highlighting the consequences.I see, so the consequences of him preferring Blu-ray is having you make a thread against him? Huh, I don't think he will mind that much.

done? what language did you translate to?

Well, I imagine english... I don't think babelfish has an xboxboi to english translator though.

I'm not quite sure where you are getting that HD DVD users aren't "critical" (and I'm not quite sure what that even means in the disturbingly little context you've allowed it).

He said, in short... his money is on BR to win this. He didn't say HD DVD users aren't "critical."

To paraphrase what a smart man once said: "I do not think it means what you think it means"

I'm sure Mr. Bay knows that if it was on Blu-Ray as well, it would have sold 250000-300000 more units in the same period that it sold 190000 on HDDVD. I believe this as well.

That said, it is probably a real lifesaver for HD-DVD to be able to show that they have the largest exclusive title in HDM history. (300 was bigger, but across both formats).

We'll see what happens with SP3 and PotC3 though

xboi, once again your thread title is as misleading as ever and I honestly believe that you do that on purpose to generate controversy.

Agreed, why else would he create a duplicate thread to the one that already exists? The only difference of course is the more inflammatory thread title/bait chosen by xboxboi.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=927086

I think the narrow and cherry-picked sig says it all.

I think the narrow and cherry-picked sig says it all.

Some would assume the same of your user name.

Bay has a set of problems all his own. If he want to support Blu fine, hell I'd support his gripes if he supported content for both formats.
Far as his contention that blu is better in his estimation, it dosn't carry water when the HD edition of Transfromers receives the highest marks for PQ and AQ.
"my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is."

As I said before Sony has done the best PR campaign selling/ deceiving directors.

Bay would be bitching right now no matter what, he wouldn't be happy. Blu, HD, Sd it wouldn't matter.

Bay's take on the new Transformers DVD, which has sold 8.3 million copies since its release last week: "It's a good DVD. But not as good as it could have been,"
8.3 million is not good enough for him. Really? :rolleyes:
Or maybe he complaining about the busy schedule, Paramount was already getting the DVD ready in July

Despite setting a record, Bay, 42, says a hectic studio schedule prevented him from being as personally involved in the DVD as he was back in the days of Pearl Harbor. His 2002 four-disc director's cut of that film set the standard for buffed-up special editions. Sorry but IMHO LOTR set the standard

"...Consumers are smart, and they are going to wait it out."
Uh, sure. If Sam Raimi was bitching about wanting Spiderman on HD DVD would Sony be under pressure to do it? No.

I'll listen to and give weight to whiny directors once they stop cramming so much advertising crap in their movies. The Island, Transformers, I Robot, The Matrix, Jurassic park, if you old enough to remember the last Indian Jones movie in the theaters you might recall they had a huge Diet Coke promotion, included on VHS tape before the movie.

If their artistic integrity is threatened by a medium then they should put a stop to TV broadcast, PPV, HBO, Direct Access and some theaters that don't measure up.

Michael Bay
"I see myself as an artist," he says with a distinct LA drawl. "Art is something that you create from nothing. I use a lot of very talented people, but it is art if you can get people to applaud or laugh in that theatre, so you're creating some sort of emotional response. Then you realise, hey, they're applauding for a truck! Do you know what I'm saying?"

Hum, maybe last weeks South park has a bit more weight to it ;)
"And then you should have a CGI building, and it explodes and flaming motorcycles jump over it, and an 18-wheeler spins out of control...p'chew p'chew."-Bay

"Those aren't IDEAS... those are special effects."-General

*Bay confused look* "I...I don't understand the difference"

"I know you don't. Get him out of here."-General

Some would assume the same of your user name.

If you can explain to me how my username is cherry-picked data, I'm all ears. And so I take it then that you are defending xboxboi's thread creation practices as well, since I see no other reason for you to comment?

But indeed, some people do assume that about my name - to them all I can say is that not once on this forum (or any forum) have I ever posted *anything* negative about the XBox. My post history is an open book on the matter, for those that wish to search it. This is contrary to xboxboi, who constantly does create baiting threads.

190,000 sold in its first week Michael! Looks like there's money in both.
Imagine if they'd put out a BD version though: had the 2:1 sales ratio in favor of BD continued, that'd have been an additional 380,000 copies, for a total of over 570,000 on HDM. Half a million would have been pretty impressive and a good indicator that HDM is viable.

As it is, HD DVD just doesn't have the installed base of playback devices to really show the public that HDM is taking off.

If you can explain to me how my username is cherry-picked data, I'm all ears. And so I take it then that you are defending xboxboi's thread creation practices as well, since I see no other reason for you to comment?

No, that it "says it all" about you, speaking of cherry picking... And no I'm not defending his thread, just poking fun at a bit of irony. :)

No, that it "says it all" about you, speaking of cherry picking... And no I'm not defending his thread, just poking fun at a bit of irony. :)

Well, read the rest of my (edited) post.

Imagine if they'd put out a BD version though: had the 2:1 sales ratio in favor of BD continued, that'd have been an additional 380,000 copies, for a total of over 570,000 on HDM. Half a million would have been pretty impressive and a good indicator that HDM is viable.

As it is, HD DVD just doesn't have the installed base of playback devices to really show the public that HDM is taking off.

Imagine the sound of one hand clapping...

I'm sure Mr. Bay knows that if it was on Blu-Ray as well, it would have sold 250000-300000 more units in the same period that it sold 190000 on HDDVD. I believe this as well.

That said, it is probably a real lifesaver for HD-DVD to be able to show that they have the largest exclusive title in HDM history. (300 was bigger, but across both formats).

We'll see what happens with SP3 and PotC3 though

Maybe, but based on what? I don't think that with both formats Transformers would beat 330k. than again I didn't think HD could do 200k.

All we know is Paramount channeled all of the next gen buyers into one corral.
What would have happened if Warner would have done that with the 300, we don't know.
S-M3 and POTC3 might show us a better idea, but then again it could be argued that on both formats they would without a doubt sell more copies. You can say right now that S_M3 and POTC 3 will lose out on at least 200k in sales to HD buyers. However if you consider my point about the corralling effect it is probably a moot point. When people have no choice, those that chose to buy aren't really choosing anything.

Once the number of sales get past the 100k mark and in the the millions for new releases then the studios will reevaluate their positions.

Well, read the rest of my (edited) post.

I've actually seen you mention that before, so it wasn't coming from a place of serious scorn or suspicion, just a bit of potential minor irony.

I've actually seen you mention that before, so it wasn't coming from a place of serious scorn or suspicion, just a bit of potential minor irony.

I actually dug around and found the post where I go into the story behind the forum handle; http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=9449627&postcount=65
I normally have to go into this at least once per forum.

Believe I understand where you would find irony, I'm just sensitive on the topic. ;) And I want to clarify that it's not xboxboi's name I have an issue with whatsoever, just these threads he creates... and in that vein, his signature is simply of a similar nature.

Maybe, but based on what? I don't think that with both formats Transformers would beat 330k. than again I didn't think HD could do 200k.

All we know is Paramount channeled all of the next gen buyers into one corral.
What would have happened if Warner would have done that with the 300, we don't know.
S-M3 and POTC3 might show us a better idea, but then again it could be argued that on both formats they would without a doubt sell more copies. You can say right now that S_M3 and POTC 3 will lose out on at least 200k in sales to HD buyers. However if you consider my point about the corralling effect it is probably a moot point. When people have no choice, those that chose to buy aren't really choosing anything.

Once the number of sales get past the 100k mark and in the the millions for new releases then the studios will reevaluate their positions.

yes, quite agree. The current sales numbers are peanuts. Assuming Paramounts makes a net profit of $15 per HDDVD sold thats only a total profit of ~$3 million. And this will probably be the BIGGEST selling title for this year. Compare this with the $150 million paid to Paramount to go exclusive. Paramount would basically need to provide 50 movies in 18 months on the scale of Transformers to make that investment pay off.

yes, quite agree. The current sales numbers are peanuts. Assuming Paramounts makes a net profit of $15 per HDDVD sold thats only a total profit of ~$3 million. And this will probably be the BIGGEST selling title for this year. Compare this with the $150 million paid to Paramount to go exclusive. Paramount would basically need to provide 50 movies in 18 months on the scale of Transformers to make that investment pay off.

Willing to bet they net no where near $15 a copy.

yes, quite agree. The current sales numbers are peanuts. Assuming Paramounts makes a net profit of $15 per HDDVD sold thats only a total profit of ~$3 million. And this will probably be the BIGGEST selling title for this year. Compare this with the $150 million paid to Paramount to go exclusive. Paramount would basically need to provide 50 movies in 18 months on the scale of Transformers to make that investment pay off.
and they more than made up for any loss with the dvd sales... they have to be making out like gangbusters on dvd's esp with 8 mil sold.

Imagine if they'd put out a BD version though: had the 2:1 sales ratio in favor of BD continued, that'd have been an additional 380,000 copies, for a total of over 570,000 on HDM. Half a million would have been pretty impressive and a good indicator that HDM is viable.

As it is, HD DVD just doesn't have the installed base of playback devices to really show the public that HDM is taking off.


Yeah, we can play the same what if games with each BD XC title too, but that does nothing for the discussion.

just to drive the Michael Bay discussion to another view point, doesnt Bay's statement implies that film lovers who support HD DVD as 'not critical'? and also those who bought the extremely over priced PS3 consoles with majorly less game software as 'smart' ?


He is not implying anything, just stating the facts. Anyone supporting a format (HD-DVD) that cannot produce a lossless soundtrack on a blockbuster like transformers because of lack of space (30GB) is not critical. Paramount said it themselves...

" Indeed, I had the opportunity to attend a special 'Transformers' media event with Paramount late last week, and the question was asked almost immediately -- why no Dolby TrueHD or uncompressed PCM? The studio's answer was that due to space limitations on the disc, the decision was made to limit the audio to Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround only (here at 1.5mbps). Unfortunately, this confirms the long-held theory that the 30Gb capacity of an HD-30 dual-layer HD DVD disc has forced studios to choose between offering a robust supplements package (as they've done here) and the very best in audio quality."

Hi Jeff
see your new here--2 posts.
welcome
Have you been here before.

He is not implying anything, just stating the facts. Anyone supporting a format (HD-DVD) that cannot produce a lossless soundtrack on a blockbuster like transformers because of lack of space (30GB) is not critical. Paramount said it themselves...

" Indeed, I had the opportunity to attend a special 'Transformers' media event with Paramount late last week, and the question was asked almost immediately -- why no Dolby TrueHD or uncompressed PCM? The studio's answer was that due to space limitations on the disc, the decision was made to limit the audio to Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround only (here at 1.5mbps). Unfortunately, this confirms the long-held theory that the 30Gb capacity of an HD-30 dual-layer HD DVD disc has forced studios to choose between offering a robust supplements package (as they've done here) and the very best in audio quality."


Isn't the total file size on the first disc around 26 GB? Plenty of room for TrueHD!

Isn't the total file size on the first disc around 26 GB? Plenty of room for TrueHD!
in my indoor voice ;)
I was just about to ask this question,
so if the movie takes 26gb the disk had 6bg more. (based on the HD disk size when looked at is actually bigger than 30gb)

Paramount, while i appreciate some of their transfers like the Untouchables (and a few others). They are company that likes to cut back on special features.
For example South Park DVD releases from warner had subtitles, after Paramount took over they didn't.
I don't know maybe it not rule of thumb with them, look at ST TOS, that thing is bloated with special features.

I thought the audio rocked

I thought the audio rocked

I concur, absolutely amazing!

Attention....the last few posts have been brought to you in a lossless format. See the difference? :D

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