I got a 24AWG 35ft HDMI cable from monoprice. I have no issues with 720p or 1080i, but at 1080p from my PS3, I get snow on the screen and odd lines of interference. 1080p 24hz wont pass at all. Giving me some weird resolution before reverting back to 1080p60hz. I contacted Monoprice for an exchange and the guy was a complete douche! He said there was nothing wrong with the cable and won't even let me exchange it. :rolleyes: I know it's the cable since using 6ft runs, I get 1080p24hz, no problem.

So my question is, would getting Monoprice's 22AWG cable help? Or is there going to be no difference at all. What about getting their extender too boost the signal. I really don't want to spend too much money here. I read people were having o problems with the 24AWG cable at 35 so I got it as I have 2 bends to navigate. :(

Edit: As mentioned in later post, the culprit has been found. And I'm as happy as a duck.

I'm a HT sales manager and I find it funny when people spend a few thousand dollars on their display and think that cables are a good place to save a couple hundred. On my equipment I only use Monster (all M-series except 35ft 400NF hdmi) because of things like this. Yes i know Monster is over priced but shop around online and you can find some pretty good deals (some ebay deals i got: 2m dig coax $12, 12ft thx1000 sub cable w/ Y-adapter $18, 4m mv2 comp vid $25, 35ft hdmi $95 etc). I've used monoprice cables on friends' setups and for the most part they are decent, probably the best value out there, but far from the best quality especially if using higher end equipment!

I'm a HT sales manager...

Normally, I would stop reading here, but since I'm desperate, I read on. It changes nothing. I will NEVER own a monster cable in my life. If I'm going to spend money, it will be something else.

I'm a HT sales manager and I find it funny when people spend a few thousand dollars on their display and think that cables are a good place to save a couple hundred.

I find the converse funny. I think it's funny when people spend a few thousand dollars on their display and think they HAVE to spend hundreds on cable. Don't get me wrong, good cable is important. Good cable does not have to cost an arm and a leg and I'm not talking about ebayed monster cable.

Try calling BlueJeans. If you can, return the cable to monoprice and spend your money elsewhere. Good luck.

I think cables from Bluejeans are better. I just have used a 40' 24awg silver coated (series 2) and worked fine with HTPC running 1080p.

I'm thinking about getting Bluejeans Belden Bonded HDMI cable. Is that cable snake oil or what? Anyone own it? I really need 1080p24hz to pass.

I'm thinking about getting Bluejeans Belden Bonded HDMI cable. Is that cable snake oil or what? Anyone own it? I really need 1080p24hz to pass.

Prices are fairly similar if you look into it carefully.:)

Prices are fairly similar if you look into it carefully.:)

I don't get it... Out with it!! I'm tearing my hair out trying to decide on a cable. Who knew it would be so frustrating to find a working cable.

Bluejeans offers 3 35ft cables: $33, $61, and $98. I think it'll be between the silver plated vs the bonded. Arghh!! :eek::confused:

HDMI was never designed to work beyond 6 feet. Most people find that it does for most applications.

However, some devices are not as capable as others to handle the ability to send and receive HDMI signals.

When buying any long stretch of HDMI cable, the heavier the gauge the better. 24AWG will probably handle any of the 720p and 1080i anyone throws at it and some 1080p but not all. 22AWG will be more capable than 24AWG but no guarantee. There are others who are getting 1080p over both without problems.

I would try the 22AWG Monoprice cable or one from BJC before spending more than that.

Have you confirmed that 1080p works from your PS3 with a shorter cable?

I'm a HT sales manager and I find it funny when people spend a few thousand dollars on their display and think that cables are a good place to save a couple hundred. On my equipment I only use Monster (all M-series except 35ft 400NF hdmi) because of things like this. Yes i know Monster is over priced but shop around online and you can find some pretty good deals (some ebay deals i got: 2m dig coax $12, 12ft thx1000 sub cable w/ Y-adapter $18, 4m mv2 comp vid $25, 35ft hdmi $95 etc). I've used monoprice cables on friends' setups and for the most part they are decent, probably the best value out there, but far from the best quality especially if using higher end equipment!

Monster cables are a waste of money to me, this is the digital world now and cables are a comodity, either they work or they don't. It amazes me that sales kids at the brick and mortar electronic stores still push the line that picture quality is different with generic cables.

Why can't you return it? They have a no restocking fee policy. I'm very pleased with cables from monoprice. The 50ft I purchased cost less than the monster 6ft at bb.

I also need a long cable soon. I was to order from Monoprice. Does anyone know about BestDealCables? They have promo deal 'till end of October.

http://marketplace.avsforum.com/showproduct.php?product=673&cat=13

Well if you make a change and it still has issues? Just run 1080i and be happy. :)

Have you confirmed that 1080p works from your PS3 with a shorter cable?

Of course! 1080p24 to my projector is flawless with a 6ft cable.



Why can't you return it? They have a no restocking fee policy. I'm very pleased with cables from monoprice. The 50ft I purchased cost less than the monster 6ft at bb.

Because I can only exchange it for the same guage cable. WTF would be the point of that? I can't return it, it's been past their return date.

I don't get it... Out with it!! I'm tearing my hair out trying to decide on a cable. Who knew it would be so frustrating to find a working cable.

Bluejeans offers 3 35ft cables: $33, $61, and $98. I think it'll be between the silver plated vs the bonded. Arghh!! :eek::confused:

I am running the bluejean 35ft cable BJC Series......no problem passing 1080P from my HTPC to my projector. Bluejean is a good quality company......call the owner(save your hair) he will advise you well.....Nice guy, knows his cables.

Like I said, CALL. If you're not willing to call, at least do some reading.

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/index.htm

If you're not going to read then your best bet is the Series1 (the 98 dollar cable), or the series F (the 61 dollar cable) if you're planning on running it in the wall.

I got a 24AWG 35ft HDMI cable from monoprice. I have no issues with 720p or 1080i, but at 1080p from my PS3, I get snow on the screen and odd lines of interference. 1080p 24hz wont pass at all. Giving me some weird resolution before reverting back to 1080p60hz. I contacted Monoprice for an exchange and the guy was a complete douche! He said there was nothing wrong with the cable and won't even let me exchange it. :rolleyes: I know it's the cable since using 6ft runs, I get 1080p24hz, no problem.

So my question is, would getting Monoprice's 22AWG cable help? Or is there going to be no difference at all. What about getting their extender too boost the signal. I really don't want to spend too much money here. I read people were having o problems with the 24AWG cable at 35 so I got it as I have 2 bends to navigate. :(

Does your projector handle 1080p?
What brand and model is it?:rolleyes:

I got a 24AWG 35ft HDMI cable from monoprice. I have no issues with 720p or 1080i, but at 1080p from my PS3, I get snow on the screen and odd lines of interference. 1080p 24hz wont pass at all. Giving me some weird resolution before reverting back to 1080p60hz. I contacted Monoprice for an exchange and the guy was a complete douche! He said there was nothing wrong with the cable and won't even let me exchange it. :rolleyes: I know it's the cable since using 6ft runs, I get 1080p24hz, no problem.

So my question is, would getting Monoprice's 22AWG cable help? Or is there going to be no difference at all. What about getting their extender too boost the signal. I really don't want to spend too much money here. I read people were having o problems with the 24AWG cable at 35 so I got it as I have 2 bends to navigate. :(

I JUST installed exactly the same cable from my PS3 to AW15 and have no such issues. I'll have to double-check, because I just swapped out sample of pj, but I was running 1080/24 out and getting the same thing at the display end.

There is a whole thread of guys running Monoprice 22 and 24AWG runs of 35' to 50' and passing 1080p successfully. Any chance you just got a bad one and would consider the exchange Monoprice is offering you?

CD

Of course! 1080p24 to my projector is flawless with a 6ft cable. Don't you just hate it when i don't read your whole post in the beginning! :) I just reread the whole thread and saw that you said you tested the PJ with a 6 foot cable. I'd sell the Monoprice cable and move up to a BJC cable. Give them a call. Just wait til we all have to run fiber to get our 4K Ultra-HD PJs to work properly...

You can't go shorter than 35'?

@recon: HDMI would be a ton better if they had used coax instead of twisted pair, but that's computer engineers for you.

I JUST installed exactly the same cable from my PS3 to AW15 and have no such issues. I'll have to double-check, because I just swapped out sample of pj, but I was running 1080/24 out and getting the same thing at the display end.

There is a whole thread of guys running Monoprice 22 and 24AWG runs of 35' to 50' and passing 1080p successfully. Any chance you just got a bad one and would consider the exchange Monoprice is offering you?

CD

They are not offering him an exchange...see after the word "douche" in his post.

I am seriously considering BJC's Bonded HDMI cables. Probably gonna get the 30feet one. Anyone use one?

Here's a weird twist. The same cable that won't pass 1080p24hz passes it FLAWLESSLY with a HDMI 1.3 receiver (Denon 2808) that I just borrowed this morning from a co-worker. Does 1.3 receivers boost the HDMI signal?

They are not offering him an exchange...see after the word "douche" in his post.

After several emails, someone has agreed to an exchange, but only for the same 24AWG tin plated cable. I have little faith in that cable.

Well, the driving strength of different equipment will vary for any connection. Some equipment will drive HDMI better than others.

I am seriously considering BJC's Bonded HDMI cables. Probably gonna get the 30feet one. Anyone use one?

Here's a weird twist. The same cable that won't pass 1080p24hz passes it FLAWLESSLY with a HDMI 1.3 receiver (Denon 2808) that I just borrowed this morning from a co-worker. Does 1.3 receivers boost the HDMI signal?

After several emails, someone has agreed to an exchange, but only for the same 24AWG tin plated cable. I have little faith in that cable.

Well, you already proved it wasn't the cable. You don't need another cable, you need a receiver or a powered switch or an HDMI amp.

HDMI is a picky, committee created protocol and some equipment won't play nice.

Try

Well, you already proved it wasn't the cable. You don't need another cable, you need a receiver or a powered switch or an HDMI amp.

HDMI is a picky, committee created protocol and some equipment won't play nice.

Try

Ok, what would you recommend will work the cheapest? I don't want to spend needless money if I don't need to. Anything from Monoprice?

Ok, what would you recommend will work the cheapest? I don't want to spend needless money if I don't need to. Anything from Monoprice?I would try the Active Equalizer Extender Repeater and see if that does the trick.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041907&p_id=2849&seq=1&format=2

Interesting that Monoprice advertises a 21 day Money Back Guarantee... Has it been 21 days since you bought the cable?

Their webpage says refund for 21 days, replace after 21 days.

I know its a pain but I'd email them their own words, get the return authorization and get the 22AWG cable sent out. Then try the repeater if needed.

What's you PJ?

It's been past 21 days. It had been sitting there while I was waiting for speaker cables from Bluejeans.

I think I'm going to either go with the 22AWG tin 35ft or the BJC Bonded 24AWG 30ft. $42 vs $84. If I'm going to get better performance from BJC cable, I'll go with that one, if not, I'd certainly like to save $40. Don't want a new receiver as my receiver is working fine with smaller HDMI cables.

I have a 35ft monoprice 22awg HDMI cable and no problems with a DVI adapter on the end 1080p/24 passes OK.

I just ordered the 22AWG tin 35ft from Monoprice. Let's see if this works with my setup.

Update: Ok, my 22AWG 35ft cable just came in from Monoprice. Same thing. Lots of noise and snow on 1080p. This is so dissapointing. :mad: The receiver is Yamaha 6060.

What did Monoprice have to say about that?

What did Monoprice have to say about that?

I'm not gonna bother. I know the answer. They'll exchange it, but the shipping costs will be more than the cable is worth. :rolleyes:

Again, I'm just severely pissed that my 35ft component cable is flawless, yet this POS state of the art digital crap is not! :mad:

35' is a long lenght for HDMI especially 1080p transmission. Others have used the same cable with good success it really depends on your other equipment. On the other hand the cable could be bad. It does not happen offen but it is possible since there are 19 connections in the cable.

Another update!

The culprit has been found!!!

I don't know why I didn't see it before. I'm using 2 HDMI portsavers from Monoprice. They are 6inch 28AWG extensions that relieves stress on your HDMI ports. Anyways, I was using 2 - one at the end of the projector and one at the end of the receiver. Logically, the answer is obvious. A 1080p signal going through a 28AWG line and then to 22AWG means: it's still cut off at 28AWG. I took the port out of the receiver side and voila! Tried my 24AWG cable and that works as well! I'm running the 22AWG as it's fatter. I don't know what you people mean by garden hose? It's not all that thick and is MUCH MUCH easier to keep straight than my 24AWG. It's as flat as Keira Knightly now, running alongside my wall.

1080p24 Blu-ray from PS3 is sweet now!

Glad you found the problem. I am also have the "port savers" with no problem but I am only running a 25' cable. It is amazing how many things can impact the results.

So it's not the Monoprice cables, that's great to hear.

Just FYI, I own a 60 ft bluejeans HDMI cable and a 60 ft bluejeans component cable. They are inwall rated, and I'm positive they will work for 1080p.

I think they rated thier HDMI cables up to 100 or 150 feet!

Just FYI, I own a 60 ft bluejeans HDMI cable and a 60 ft bluejeans component cable. They are inwall rated, and I'm positive they will work for 1080p.

I think they rated thier HDMI cables up to 100 or 150 feet!

The Bluejeans and Monoprice cables I think are the exact same stuff. At least the 24AWG tin and silver are. The Bonded HDMI cable is probably the only one that's different.

Monster makes great cables....but they are WAY over priced. As for buying them on ebay, good luck with that, more than half of all the monster cables listed on ebay are are counterfeit.

The Bluejeans and Monoprice cables I think are the exact same stuff. At least the 24AWG tin and silver are. The Bonded HDMI cable is probably the only one that's different.

I'm not sure what Monoprice's silver-plated cable stock is, but if it's from Copartner, it may very well be the same as our 24 AWG Series-2. I couldn't tell you whether the final assembly was done by the same vendor, but the cable stock would likely be the same; the tin-plated 24 AWG (our Tartan Cable brand), which comes from Copartner, is almost certainly the same as theirs. (In fact, these same stocks are used by a LOT of companies, rebranded under a lot of different names, and I saw what were likely the same cables in many different booths at CEDIA this year.) But the Belden, which is the one he's talking about (it's the only one we offer in a 60-foot run) is completely different; nobody in the world has that cable but us.

Kurt
Blue Jeans Cable

Another update!

The culprit has been found!!!

I don't know why I didn't see it before. I'm using 2 HDMI portsavers from Monoprice. They are 6inch 28AWG extensions that relieves stress on your HDMI ports. Anyways, I was using 2 - one at the end of the projector and one at the end of the receiver. Logically, the answer is obvious. A 1080p signal going through a 28AWG line and then to 22AWG means: it's still cut off at 28AWG. I took the port out of the receiver side and voila! Tried my 24AWG cable and that works as well! I'm running the 22AWG as it's fatter. I don't know what you people mean by garden hose? It's not all that thick and is MUCH MUCH easier to keep straight than my 24AWG. It's as flat as Keira Knightly now, running alongside my wall.

1080p24 Blu-ray from PS3 is sweet now!

Great contribution to the knowledge base of this board. Be carefull with the port savers, they can mess you up!!

Franke

I'm not sure what Monoprice's silver-plated cable stock is, but if it's from Copartner, it may very well be the same as our 24 AWG Series-2. I couldn't tell you whether the final assembly was done by the same vendor, but the cable stock would likely be the same; the tin-plated 24 AWG (our Tartan Cable brand), which comes from Copartner, is almost certainly the same as theirs. (In fact, these same stocks are used by a LOT of companies, rebranded under a lot of different names, and I saw what were likely the same cables in many different booths at CEDIA this year.) But the Belden, which is the one he's talking about (it's the only one we offer in a 60-foot run) is completely different; nobody in the world has that cable but us.

Kurt
Blue Jeans Cable



I must commend you on your honesty.
It's very rare to have a company that is open about their suppliers.

The next cable that I need will come from you.

Here's another one for you guys, those of you in Canada, check out 2001 Audio Video. Their Thunder Cable line, the 6ft HDMI cable that retails for $172.99 is the exact same cable as the Monoprice 24AWG with net jacket at $15. :)

BTW Kurt, thanks for the post.

I am running a monoprice 75' HDMI with an equalizer, and have no issues with 1080p.

I must commend you on your honesty.
It's very rare to have a company that is open about their suppliers.

Thanks! And on the subject of "keeping 'em honest..."

I don't know how many of you have noticed an article on our site about where HDMI cable comes from. But in that article, one of the things we point out is that most cable which is rated for installation (and much which isn't) will carry a UL "E-code". This E-code is trackable through UL's website, and in most cases, it goes back to the manufacturer of the cable stock in question. So, for example, E108998 on our Belden cables, if you look that up at UL.com, will show as Belden Wire & Cable. E139956, on our Tartan brand and on the Series-2, tracks back to Copartner. I have seen some very, very expensive HDMI cables from some of the ultra-high-end product lines, and all of those, when they have a UL code, track back to China; whether they are exactly the same cable stock as another product, of course, is hard to say, but the suspicion does arise.

Mind you, this won't always work, but it does work in the vast majority of cases. When I was at CEDIA, the only UL code I spotted that didn't track back to a Chinese manufacturer was...well, they were the cable manufacturer the name of which may not be spoken for fear of getting sued. Their cable is manufactured mostly (or entirely; I don't really know) by LTK in China, but they have a UL "multiple" listing which allows them to put their own UL code on the cable despite not owning the factory; the private UL file would show the factory or factories designated to make the product, but that private side of the file isn't viewable through UL.com. We could do the same, but what's the point? When customers ask, we have always told them where the cable was made, so there's not much point in hiding the fact through a UL code.

Kurt
Blue Jeans Cable

Thanks! And on the subject of "keeping 'em honest..."

I don't know how many of you have noticed an article on our site about where HDMI cable comes from. But in that article, one of the things we point out is that most cable which is rated for installation (and much which isn't) will carry a UL "E-code". This E-code is trackable through UL's website, and in most cases, it goes back to the manufacturer of the cable stock in question. So, for example, E108998 on our Belden cables, if you look that up at UL.com, will show as Belden Wire & Cable. E139956, on our Tartan brand and on the Series-2, tracks back to Copartner. I have seen some very, very expensive HDMI cables from some of the ultra-high-end product lines, and all of those, when they have a UL code, track back to China; whether they are exactly the same cable stock as another product, of course, is hard to say, but the suspicion does arise.

Mind you, this won't always work, but it does work in the vast majority of cases. When I was at CEDIA, the only UL code I spotted that didn't track back to a Chinese manufacturer was...well, they were the cable manufacturer the name of which may not be spoken for fear of getting sued. Their cable is manufactured mostly (or entirely; I don't really know) by LTK in China, but they have a UL "multiple" listing which allows them to put their own UL code on the cable despite not owning the factory; the private UL file would show the factory or factories designated to make the product, but that private side of the file isn't viewable through UL.com. We could do the same, but what's the point? When customers ask, we have always told them where the cable was made, so there's not much point in hiding the fact through a UL code.

Kurt
Blue Jeans Cable

Post like these are just another reason that Blue Jeans is the only company I'll buy cables from. Thanks for the tip, Kurt.

Thanks! And on the subject of "keeping 'em honest..."

We could do the same, but what's the point? When customers ask, we have always told them where the cable was made, so there's not much point in hiding the fact through a UL code.

Kurt
Blue Jeans Cable

Kurt, your honesty is refreshing. I will be looking at your offerings the next time I need cables, which should be very soon.

Logically, the answer is obvious. A 1080p signal going through a 28AWG line and then to 22AWG means: it's still cut off at 28AWG.

This is not correct. You are limited in current capability by the smallest wire in the system. But current capability is not the problem. Resistance/impedance is/are. The extra connections themselves add a lot of it. A 10 foot 30 gauge wire soldered to a 10 foot 20 gauge wire would be superior in every way to a 20 foot 30 gauge wire if you could eliminate the problems (resistance and poor shielding) at the connection itself, but it would still be limited to the amount of current a 30 gauge wire could carry.

Your 6060 does 1080p at 24hrtz? I thought the yamaha 6060 could only do 1080p at 60? I also have the same receiver. IM also waiting for a 35 hdmi cable i got for 28 dollars at eforcity, in canadian it came to like 25 dollars, if it does not work I will just use it for upstairs that only needs 720p.

We are feeding a Lumagen Processor at 1080p 60hz through a 75' 22 gauge Monoprice cable to a Sony 52xbr5 with perfect results.

I am running a monoprice 75' HDMI with an equalizer, and have no issues with 1080p.

Hi Kcalvano, which equalizer are you using?

-mw

Another update!

The culprit has been found!!!

I don't know why I didn't see it before. I'm using 2 HDMI portsavers from Monoprice. They are 6inch 28AWG extensions that relieves stress on your HDMI ports. Anyways, I was using 2 - one at the end of the projector and one at the end of the receiver. Logically, the answer is obvious. A 1080p signal going through a 28AWG line and then to 22AWG means: it's still cut off at 28AWG. I took the port out of the receiver side and voila! Tried my 24AWG cable and that works as well! I'm running the 22AWG as it's fatter. I don't know what you people mean by garden hose? It's not all that thick and is MUCH MUCH easier to keep straight than my 24AWG. It's as flat as Keira Knightly now, running alongside my wall.

1080p24 Blu-ray from PS3 is sweet now!


Thanks for updating that....I was worried about my cable.

Keira is flat but I'd hit it!!

Another update!

The culprit has been found!!!

I don't know why I didn't see it before. I'm using 2 HDMI portsavers from Monoprice. They are 6inch 28AWG extensions that relieves stress on your HDMI ports. Anyways, I was using 2 - one at the end of the projector and one at the end of the receiver. Logically, the answer is obvious. A 1080p signal going through a 28AWG line and then to 22AWG means: it's still cut off at 28AWG. I took the port out of the receiver side and voila! Tried my 24AWG cable and that works as well! I'm running the 22AWG as it's fatter. I don't know what you people mean by garden hose? It's not all that thick and is MUCH MUCH easier to keep straight than my 24AWG. It's as flat as Keira Knightly now, running alongside my wall.

1080p24 Blu-ray from PS3 is sweet now!

Nice to read your problem is solved.
How do you know the port saver is 28AWG? I have a Monoprice hdmi-M1 adapter http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041906&p_id=2689&seq=1&format=2
Do I need to know the AWG of it?. I ask because I just bought the SP7210, and next will be the HTPC. Now, I need a 35' hdmi cable, targeted the Monoprice Silver plated 22AWG but actually OUT OF STOCK :mad: and must use the adapter to get the projector M1 input.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024002&p_id=3571&seq=1&format=2

So, can I have any problem using a Tin plated 22AWG instead of the Gold Plated (the UL file number is the same!!). It´s half the price.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024002&p_id=2805&seq=1&format=2

What about the AWG of the adapter?
And If I add a dvi-hdmi adapter at the begining (if i use a video card instead of the hdmi output of a mobo)?
I decided to go hdmi because do not have enought place to pass a dvi / M1port in-wall.

Its a good chance that the problem is a damaged port saver cable. If the cable has been crimped, the port saver could have a higher than expected capacitance. Other articles have shown that the high impedance of the hdmi interface makes the capacitance a suspect. For science's sake, try moving the port savers between ends to see if its one or both and at which end (driving or receiving) that makes a difference

Glad that you got your problem solved.

I'm not sure why we are all trying to use HDMI. I purchased a 35' HDMI from Blue Jeans also and am having problems going from a Pioneer elite to an AX-200U. I spoke with Andrew at BJC and I am swapping it for component. There isn't any picture quality difference and there are no issues with component. Runs of 200 feet are no problem. I have pretty much had it with HDMI and will be using component until I have no choice.

I have seen some very, very expensive HDMI cables from some of the ultra-high-end product lines, and all of those, when they have a UL code, track back to China; whether they are exactly the same cable stock as another product, of course, is hard to say, but the suspicion does arise.

Until this year ALL HDMI cables were made in the same factory in China using the same cable. Only the sleeves and external branding were different.

There isn't any picture quality difference and there are no issues with component.

That isn't true. For some machine like Xbox 360, the HDMI output yields a better, sharper picture than component. I also like one cable doing everything.

That isn't true. For some machine like Xbox 360, the HDMI output yields a better, sharper picture than component. I also like one cable doing everything.

That isn't my opinion that is the guy at Blue Jeans Cable and the level II tech rep at Panasonic. They both agree that there is plenty of bandwidth in component to satisfy everything up to and including 1080p. That is not to say that with the the equipment you mention that it is entirely possible that the HDMI yields a better picture. The reps said there are times that component is better. I also like the idea of a single cable. It just doesn't seem to work out that way. I have had numerous problems with HDMI.

Until this year ALL HDMI cables were made in the same factory in China using the same cable. Only the sleeves and external branding were different.

That's essentially correct, but just slightly overstated. There are multiple Chinese manufacturers, making different raw cable stocks; for example, Der An, Copartner, LTK and SureFire are all different companies, and all of them make HDMI cable stock. There are also quite a few assembly houses which buy those raw cable stocks from those manufacturers and make them into finished cable assemblies by cutting them to length, affixing connectors, and overmolding or assembling the connector backshells. We contract with these assembly houses to have both our Belden-made and our Chinese-made cables terminated, and have used a few different ones over time.

In a lot of cases, you can figure out who the particular manufacturer (but not the final assembler) of the cable is, as I mentioned above, by using the UL E-code on the jacket. Now, puzzling out whose cables are identical to whose is a more complex matter. For example, Copartner makes round-jacket tinned copper and silver-plated copper cable stocks that are otherwise apparently identical to one another; at the margin, the silver-plated copper will do a bit better than the tin because silver is more conductive, but it also adds cost to the cable. I have seen that same Copartner stock with a lot of different brand names on it, sometimes with the Copartner name there also, sometimes without, but always with the Copartner E-code. If you're shopping for cable and you figure out that you're looking at the Copartner stuff, you still need to know the AWG and the plating material to be able to figure out which cable stock it is, so that you can compare pricing with another vendor; but it's surprising how often basic cable attributes aren't described in cable marketing literature.

So what I'm saying, in sum, is that you're right that all of it is made in China (except, of course, for our Belden HDMI which is made in Kentucky and Indiana and then terminated in China); it's just not all made in the same factory, and there are both a number of manufacturers and a number of different assembly houses from which all of that Chinese HDMI cable comes.

Kurt
Blue Jeans Cable

So I bought the 35´22awg tin plated at Monoprice. For what I´ve read, it probably will fit. There are no garanty the Silver plated performs better...

That isn't my opinion that is the guy at Blue Jeans Cable and the level II tech rep at Panasonic. They both agree that there is plenty of bandwidth in component to satisfy everything up to and including 1080p. That is not to say that with the the equipment you mention that it is entirely possible that the HDMI yields a better picture. The reps said there are times that component is better. I also like the idea of a single cable. It just doesn't seem to work out that way. I have had numerous problems with HDMI.

I'm with them (and you) on this one. Component has always outperformed HDMI for me (brighter/clearer picture, no handshake issues), no matter the source and no matter the display.

Yes, I did have the same problem with Monoprice 35ft 22AWG (their thickest cable), and I switch to 24AWG Blue Jean Series-2 and it works great. My equipments: Oppo981HD -> Denon2807-> Panasonic AE-1000U.

I'm running the Monoprice 22AWG 35ft HDMI 1080P with no issues whatsoever :D

I am looking at getting a HDMI cable and a set of component cables from Monoprice (25'). Is it better to use a cable wall plate http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10425&cs_id=1042505&p_id=4004&seq=1&format=2 or use HDMI/component wall plates http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10425&cs_id=1042501&p_id=2813&seq=1&format=2

I am running 6' HDMI 24 AWG from HD DVD player to AVR. Running 3' HDMI 24 AWG from AVR to 4x2 matrix HDMI switch. Running 30' HDMI 22 AWG from 4x2 HDMI switch to an HDMI wall plate. Running 15' HDMI 28 AWG from wall plate to projector. All of my cables are Monoprice. That is 54 feet of cable plus a wall plate. My projector is 720P, but I have sent 1080P to my projector with out any problems. I have not tried 1080P/24 since my projector should not be able to handle it. My equipment:

Onky 805 AVR
Toshiba A35 HD DVD
Epsom HC400 projector

I tried a Monoprice passive HDMI splitter and I had handshake problems, but the 4x2 Monoprice switch solved that problem.

I have the monoprice 50' 22awg silverplated cable running from a sony strdg810 receiver to a sony kdsa60-2000 tv and have not experienced any issues. Hope this doesn't change when I upgrade to a Onkyo705 and front projector. Anything can happen in this crazy world of hi-tech. Now I'm hoping my five year CPS warranty isn't needed on my Sony optical block. So far, so good.