I'm going to get a new 1080 projector, these are the two I'm looking at. I have a Carada 110 BW screen and I have complete control of lighting. I have had two Sanyo projectors before and have had nothing but great things to say about them. This would be my first Panasonic projector. I watch only HD and BR movies with it.

Reviews are coming out soon so just hold up till they are released. The Buzz is around the new Panny model...

I would also add the new Epson 1080UB into that mix of D7 panel 3LCD PJs. I suspect the Panny and Epson will be significantly better performers for only a little more money, but the Epson probably won't hit the streets until Dec. I'm not impressed with the Sanyo based on what I've read so far.

Any one else

i vote for hold your damn pants on :P

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Panny looksto be the one.The d7 panels are what I would want.:D

I can get the panny for $2699 or the Sanyo for $2499, but the Sanyo has a $300 rebate so it would only be $2199. Would you pay $500 more for the panny?

Early word is the Panny is worth the extra bucks, but still too early to tell.

What early word indicates the Panny is better? They both use the same panels, the Sanyo is much cheaper, and the Sanyo has a better warranty.

Panny i hear looks better but i would be worried about their track record when it comes to reliablility, the sanyos at least have not had as many issues lately

Is there still Smooth Screen with the Panny?

yes, the new model has smooth screen, but i hear it looks good and still sharp

What early word indicates the Panny is better? They both use the same panels, the Sanyo is much cheaper, and the Sanyo has a better warranty.
Appears that way based on comments by forum members who've seen it, PJC & cine4home. I did say it's too early to tell, so better to wait for actual, in-depth reviews. I'm trying to decide between the Panny, Sanyo, Epson UB, & Optoma HD80.

all else being equal, which it may not be, i'm, at this time, more interested in the panny cuz of vert. stretch mode capability, my eventual goal being a cih setup. i read a peter putman review ($3k+ forum ? not sure) of sanyo z2k, he wasnt clear, at least to me, if sanyo has the vert. stretch mode. he said something about having to "experiment" w a/rs to find vert. stretch.(?)

What early word indicates the Panny is better? They both use the same panels, the Sanyo is much cheaper, and the Sanyo has a better warranty.

I believe I read somewhere that the Sanyo has the older D6 panels. Might want to verify they are the same before pulling the trigger either way.

its the mitsu that has the older panels, the sanyo has d7

That is correct. THe Mitsubishi HC6000 has D6 panels. Both the Panny and Sanyo have the D7 panels (along with the new epson 1080UB).

But to say that since the two projectors have the same panels, there must not be much difference is really not accurate. There is so much that goes into them.

The iris for instance, on the sanyo is only a bulb iris, not in the optical path. The panasonic iris sets itself to every frame.

The software is obviously different.

The sanyo has a better price, warrenty and is 3db quieter.

The panny has better image quality.

Those are the things to balance when making your decision.

Peter Putman's review of the Sanyo didn't seem too favorable. I think he actually liked the D6 Mitsubishi better.

Early reviews(Putman) and previews(cine4home) seem to indicate that for a D7 projector, the Sanyo's contrast isn't that good. Also, the iris isn't nearly as effective as Panasonics.

In addition to this, Projector Central has implied that the Panasonic is as good or better than the Sony VW60 which is well over $1000 higher.

I BRIEFLY had a Panny PT-AE1000U and HATED the SmoothScreen, it made it look like a light coat of vaseline had been applied to the lens. I really hope the AE2000U SmoothScreen is a different ball game because in my opinion the sharpness of the PT-AE1000U sucked. I went back to my trusty Sanyo PLV-Z5 which has a MUCH sharper image than the PT-AE1000U despite the PLV-Z5 being 720p and the PT-AE1000U being 1080p. I expected the increase in resolution of the PT-AE1000U to blow me away but it didn't due to the vaseline look of the lens. Others who saw the projector said the exact same thing. Since I had it I've read some other reviews that said the same thing.

P.S. Source material mainly included BluRay and 1080i DISH Network.

The smoothscreen is entirely new.

The iris for instance, on the sanyo is only a bulb iris, not in the optical path.The Sanyo and Panny "iris" are both lamp devices, not a lens iris.

Yes the cine4home says the new panny smoothscreen is razor sharp.A totaly new animal they said,It has killer colors right out of box and blacks close to the JVC r1.And they know what they are talking about.For me if I am going to spend over $2k for my first 1080p fp.I want the best one.The ae2000 looks to be a steal at this price for all you get.Time will tell

Wayne,

How long did you have the AE1000 before you sent it back? The smoothscreen on older Panasonics (AE900 for example) did seem a bit softer than projectors without, but with extended viewing it was apparent that all the detail was still there. After getting used to the smoothscreen, other projectors look harsh(IMO) and what seems at first like sharpness is actually screendoor.

With that being said, I truly hope that the AE2000 is MUCH sharper looking than my old AE900. I expect contrast will have as much effect on this as resolution does.

Supposedly the AE2000 looks sharper than the VW60 and RS1, so if that is true, it must be an improvement over the AE1000. I think I remember Tom Norton's review of the AE1000 saying that it was a bit sharper than the VW50, but not as good as the RS1. Supposedly the VW60 is sharper than the VW50, so if the AE2000 is really sharper than the VW60, it should be pretty good.

If the AE2000 does end up looking soft, there's always the upcoming Epson.

I had the AE1000 for about a week before I returned it, the colors were incredible on it but I couldn't get past the "vaseline on lens" look of it. I hear so much hype about the AE2000 and when I read it has SmoothScreen I was immediately very suspicious of it. I think Panny should have renamed it to something else if the version of it on the AE2000 is THAT much different than it is on the AE1000 because for me just hearing "SmoothScreen" makes me want to run for the hills. I like my Sanyo PLV-Z5 a lot more than that AE1000.

Fair enough. I'm using a 720p DLP right now (Mits HD1000) and it does seem sharper than my old AE900, but it's also much brighter. I'll be receiving the AE2000 early next week. Hopefully it lives up to the hype. If not, I'll probably return it and get the BenQ w9000.

I really hope the AE2000 is as good as has been reported.

Unless reviews come out making the Panasonic a huge favorite, I'll probably be getting the Sanyo. I've had the Z2 and, currently, the Z4. I've had no problems with either and never had a bulb go yet with regular use.

Plus, customer service is a big deal for me. Sanyo has a good rep and I've had personal experience with Panasonic being hard to deal with.

As I said, though, I'll change my mind if enough reviews convince me otherwise. :)

I am also trying to decide between these two but besides picture quality for myself, noise is a deciding argument for my wife.

The new projector will be replacing a JVC DLA-G11 in a hushbox...

I have seen the low noise of the Sanyo highlighted as a feature but I have not been able to find any info on the noise level of the PT-AE2000.

Anyone?

Cheers

Thomas

In addition to this, Projector Central has implied that the Panasonic is as good or better than the Sony VW60 which is well over $1000 higher.

PC overhypes every Panasonic model.

I too love the sharpness of my Z4. I have only owned the Sanyo projectors. Never really considered Panasonic UNTIL now. The AE2000 has me real excited. Accurate colors, good blacks and sharpness are being reported from the previews. And the price is right as well.

I cannot wait to hear from the folks here that have ordered theirs. Nothing like a an honest AVS forum member impression of a product.

Also (sort of off-topic). I currently have the Z4 ceiling mounted 10' back from 92" screen. I'm thinking of putting the Panny AE2000 on the back wall on a shelf in the corner of the room up above my equipment rack. Will there be enough lens shift to go from the corner of the room to the screen? The shift would be approximately 6'. Can it be done? Thanks.

I am also trying to decide between these two but besides picture quality for myself, noise is a deciding argument for my wife.

The new projector will be replacing a JVC DLA-G11 in a hushbox...

I have seen the low noise of the Sanyo highlighted as a feature but I have not been able to find any info on the noise level of the PT-AE2000.

Anyone?

Cheers

Thomas

22db in lower setting.

I currently have the Z4 ceiling mounted 10' back from 92" screen. I'm thinking of putting the Panny AE2000 on the back wall on a shelf in the corner of the room up above my equipment rack. Will there be enough lens shift to go from the corner of the room to the screen? The shift would be approximately 6'. Can it be done? Thanks.

No, and you wouldn't want to do this anyway because of the distortion it would create.

Also (sort of off-topic). I currently have the Z4 ceiling mounted 10' back from 92" screen. I'm thinking of putting the Panny AE2000 on the back wall on a shelf in the corner of the room up above my equipment rack. Will there be enough lens shift to go from the corner of the room to the screen? The shift would be approximately 6'. Can it be done? Thanks.

As Wet1 said it won't work. The maximum horizontal lens shift is 40% to either side. So the projectors lens has to be at least 10% of the screen width in from the edge. Your 92" screen should be about 80" in width so the projector's lens has to be at least 8" inside the screen edge.

NOTE: At the maximum horizontal lens shift you can't use any vertical shift!

"PC overhypes every Panasonic model."

True. But they also overhype Sanyo too.

I think Evan is a Sony hater, but I still like reading his reviews.

I remember back when the HS10 came out and was the first 720p projector for under $3000. It was a very popular unit, but Evan preferred the AE300 which was 1/4 HD with smoothscreen. He's never really liked any Sony projectors as far as I can recall.

I've liked the Panasonic projectors I've owned in the past. They've been reliable and had good picture quality(for me). But in recent years, I've had a preference for DLP.

Like I said before, I'm really hoping the AE2000 looks great, since the price is right and it will work better in my room than most DLP's.

SAX, check out the review of the PT-AE2000U on the over $3,000 forum. There is alot of good information there.

Thanks, it's going to be the panny or the Z2000. I know that for sure.

I'm a Sanyo fan, currently using a Z2 and very happy with it. But, I have to say, the word on the street is that the PT-AE2000 is pretty much a quantum step up from the PT-AE1000 and offers an amazing value. Whereas the Z2000 is just a pretty good piece of equipment. I'm going to wait for the reviews, but I'm heck of more psyched for the Panny than I am for the Sanyo.

I see the fan noise on the Sanyo is 19 dB in eco-mode and the panny is 22 dB, is that a big difference.

I see the fan noise on the Sanyo is 19 dB in eco-mode and the panny is 22 dB, is that a big difference.

Both are very low but they don't tell you where it was measured from so it is a bit ambiguous.

A difference of 3 dB is twice the sound energy since it is a logarithmic scale. An increase of 10 dB means that it sounds twice as loud.

If you are sensitive to fan noise and the projector is going to be mounted with in 6' of the listening position it may make a difference. Otherwise don't worry about it. You're only going to hear either of them during really quiet or silent parts of movies. And that's if you have a low noise floor in your theatre to begin with.

I see the fan noise on the Sanyo is 19 dB in eco-mode and the panny is 22 dB, is that a big difference.

Compared to some other projectors, they are both very quiet.

As stated 10db is twice the volume...

A reasonable guess is at 1m distance in front or below the projector.

Compared with the G11U this is almost silent. After 7 years of operation the noise level is 52db...

Cheers

Thomas

I see the fan noise on the Sanyo is 19 dB in eco-mode and the panny is 22 dB, is that a big difference.

In terms of audible loudness, 3dB is considered the smallest change that can be readily recognized by the human ear.

In terms of audible loudness, 3dB is considered the smallest change that can be readily recognized by the human ear.

It's usually said that 1 dB is smallest change that can be recognized although a 3dB difference isn't much more.

Both are very quiet projectors.

Projector Central will have a review of the Sanyo Z2000 on Monday and the review of the Panasonic AE2000 next Friday.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/projector_news092407.htm

In terms of audible loudness, 3dB is considered the smallest change that can be readily recognized by the human ear.

It's usually said that 1 dB is smallest change that can be recognized although a 3dB difference isn't much more.

Both are very quiet projectors.

Going from a 27db to a 23db projector a few years ago I could get rid of a box used to quiet the 27db - it was a very definite difference. 23 db is still too loud for me when there should be silence. I am hoping a move to 19db with either the Mits or Sanyo will be equally clear cut. I wish the JVC or Panasonic would get there soon to widen my future choices.

Can anyone confirm if the Sanyo and Panasonic can display 24P sources at a multiple of 24, or do they display them at 60 fps? For some reason I was thinking the Panasonic did 24P, but the Sanyo didn't, but I can't remember where I got that from. I'm hoping they both do because that could be a deciding factor for me.

Guy

It's usually said that 1 dB is smallest change that can be recognized although a 3dB difference isn't much more.

Both are very quiet projectors.

I believe that 3 dB equals a doubling in sound level. So, a 27 dB projector is twice as loud as a 24 dB projector.

It's a logarithmic scale, and not linear. That's why 100 dB (what a rock concert might be at) is sooooo much louder than your 27 dB projector. The scale increases dramatically with each 3 dB increase.

(Hooray! I contributed!)

- hoju

I have to disagree about the quality of service provided by Sanyo. There are threads about the Z2 & Z4 on how Sanyo failed to provide service after one year of the warranty claiming that a dirty filter caused the problem. Heartland which provides service for Panasonic has provided good service for most people according to many on this fourm. Panasonic is also offering an extra year on the warranty. It will be interesting when the reviews com out to see if Panasonic offers another rebate because of Sanyo's low price. Peter Putman like the projector but said that out of the box there were issues that needed calibration. He also did not like the video processor in the Sanyo. Projector Central will have their review of the Sanyo out Monday and the Panasonic next Friday. They said yesterday that the Sanyo will be a surprise and will provide a great price/performance buy. They will also talk about the Panasonic in the Sanyo review Monday. Other reviews will follow.

I would be patient and wait a few weeks until we have more reviews and tests from fourm members who have already ordered one or the other.

Can anyone confirm if the Sanyo and Panasonic can display 24P sources at a multiple of 24, or do they display them at 60 fps? For some reason I was thinking the Panasonic did 24P, but the Sanyo didn't, but I can't remember where I got that from. I'm hoping they both do because that could be a deciding factor for me.

Guy

The panny does. We do not know for certain if the Sanyo does. My guess is that it will, but we will find out soon.

I think its interesting that the AE2000 uses the same bulb as last year's AE1000, I guess its just a function of efficiency of this year's design over last year's but I was hoping for a real torch this year...Epson generally understates their lumen output so maybe they'll come through with th UB...I agree with you guys, this is definitely a waiting game until first of the year when the pricing really gets competitive...

Also, I know that as one opens up the zoom lens more (making the image bigger) that it lets more light pass...but that this is offset by the fact that you are now spreading those few extra lumens over a larger space...I was wondering, is there any formula for calculating how much the image will dim when going from, say, 92" to 100"...I'm just looking for ballpark generalizations here...like 10%. I guess the only way to really figure out if an image is too big for the light output of the projector is to mount it and try it on a temporary screen, eh?

For a constant zoom setting on the PJ, screen size X relative to Y will be 100*(Y/X)^2 percent bright. Example: going from 92" to 100" is 100*(100/92)^2, the 92" screen will be 118% the brightness of the 100" screen. Note that it does not matter if you are comparing the diagonal, width or height, as long as you are comparing the same dimension of each screen.

For a constant screen size, i.e., moving the projector and adjusting the zoom to fill the same size screen, the brightness will depend on the Fstop number of the lens at the particular zoom setting used at each PJ to screen position. The brightness of PJ position 1 relative to PJ position 2 will be 100*(F2/F1)^2 percent, where F1 and F2 are the Fstop numbers of the two positions. Example: the Fstop at the closest possible PJ position to a fixed size screen is F1=1.9 and the Fstop at the farthest possible position from the same fixed size screen is F=3.2, so the brightness of the closest position relative to the farthest is 100*(3.2/1.9)^2 which is 284%. You can get the Fstop numbers from the PJ spec sheets (the low/high number will correspond to the wideangle/telephoto extreme setting respectively of the zoom lens). The Fstop numbers for this example were taken from the AE1000 spec sheet.

I believe that 3 dB equals a doubling in sound level. So, a 27 dB projector is twice as loud as a 24 dB projector.

It's a logarithmic scale, and not linear. That's why 100 dB (what a rock concert might be at) is sooooo much louder than your 27 dB projector. The scale increases dramatically with each 3 dB increase.

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- hoju
And a good contribution it was! A simple way to explain a 3db increase is this. If you have a speaker playing any sound at a sound pressure level of X db and you add an indentical speaker on top of the first your system is now playing at a sound pressure level of X+3 db.

While this is not subjectively twice as loud it is also very clearly detectable.

When you double the number of speakers again you have 6db and with 8 indentical speakers you would have 9db which now is being perceived roughly twice as loud according to the loundness scale.

So yes, 19db and 22db is both pretty quiet but 22db is as loud as two 19db projectors.
Cheers

Thomas

I think its interesting that the AE2000 uses the same bulb as last year's AE1000, I guess its just a function of efficiency of this year's design over last year's but I was hoping for a real torch this year...Epson generally understates their lumen output so maybe they'll come through with th UB...I agree with you guys, this is definitely a waiting game until first of the year when the pricing really gets competitive...

Also, I know that as one opens up the zoom lens more (making the image bigger) that it lets more light pass...but that this is offset by the fact that you are now spreading those few extra lumens over a larger space...I was wondering, is there any formula for calculating how much the image will dim when going from, say, 92" to 100"...I'm just looking for ballpark generalizations here...like 10%. I guess the only way to really figure out if an image is too big for the light output of the projector is to mount it and try it on a temporary screen, eh?

Hi.

you may want to go read the information at audioholics regarding the new D7 panels found in the Sanyo, Panny and Epson. He explains the added brightness on the new panels very well.

EDIT- here's the link: http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/epsons-d7-panel-c2-fine

Here's a small quote, but its worth reading the whole thing: 1. A 20% improvement in aperture ratio compared to the previous model of the same size.

It's usually said that 1 dB is smallest change that can be recognized although a 3dB difference isn't much more.

Both are very quiet projectors.

I don't know who says that, but it's not the case. Most people find it extremely difficult to impossible to recognize an increase in loudness of just 1dB, and most will be uncertain about a 2dB increase, whereas people normally find an increase of 3dB to be readily noticable.

It appears that the Sanyo will do 24p via HDMI (see attached chart from another thread). It looks like 60p is the best via other connections. Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, which is always a possibility.

I'm interested if there is a "v-fit"-like stretch like the Pani. If not, I think I will have to lean towards the Pani for a CIH setup.

It appears that the Sanyo will do 24p via HDMI (see attached chart from another thread). It looks like 60p is the best via other connections. Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, which is always a possibility.

I'm interested if there is a "v-fit"-like stretch like the Pani. If not, I think I will have to lean towards the Pani for a CIH setup.

Accepting 24P input is one thing, but I'm trying to determine if the Sanyo will display it at a multiple of 24, or convert it to 60 fps which can introduce judder.

Thanks,
Guy

HDTV expert review

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/SanyoPLV-Z2000.html

See Cine4home preview. translated.


The Sanyo FullHD-Konzept: Much beamer at a fair price.
Home of www.Cine4Home.de




In 2003 presented Sanyo first 720p HDTV-Heimkinobeamer with LCD technology. With fair prices and good quality since it has a good reputation in the home theater industry. In FullHD (1920x1080), the Japanese manufacturer but this time left and on the second panel generation D7 maintained. In November of that year, it finally arrived, the famous PLV-Z5 gets a big brother with a double dissolution.





In addition to the technical data, especially the price promising: For € 2799th-Euro projector promises of a low-cost entry into the 2-Megapixelprojektion at home. This is just for the budget home theater fans very interesting. But how much money has the power? Recently, we had the opportunity to tell us in detail with a Pre-Production-Sample this new model of thinking. The objective findings, we present to you in this Preview Special, before a full trial to launch in November follows.



At this point we want to emphasize that all results published here on a Vorserienmodell relate, and therefore only as a preliminary clues are to be! A detailed test of the final series device is the official launch follow!




1st Equipment & Operation

Sanyos first FullHD home theater projector has a new design, how to remove the photos. The choice of the color this time fell to a matte white, which is precisely in living rooms discreetly adjusting the ceiling.




Ever is the design as "discreetly" to refer to any kind of playful design elements were abandoned. Opposite the Z5 was the only practical protective flap maintained, which automatically when closed off the projector and the appearance as safe from dangerous dust preserved.


As soon as the projector to recognize
The closed-Z2000


Ultimate is the necessary diversity of connections: With two HDMI inputs (HDMI 1.3 standard), two analog YUV-Eingängen, and the traditional PC, SVideo and composite inputs of the projector has grown each application and future simultaneously.


Supply side of the PLV-Z2000

Large discussion topic is: Supports a video film image signal of future 1080p / 24p? The answer in the case of the Z2000: Yes, he processed the original cinema reasonable frequency, and is also in this regard future.



Little has changed the operating compared to other Sanyo-Heimkinobeamern. In seven different main sections are all features: "Image", "Adj Image," "Picture Adj", "Screen", "Input", "Setting" and "information".




Changes are only in details: The good news is the extension of abspeicherbaren user configurations, seven memory banks are now available.



Moreover, the memory banks also named individually, so that each configuration easier to assign the appropriate application.

Also changed were the parameters for adjusting the color temperature, but not necessarily to the benefit. Instead of the usual RGB Gain- and bias options this time was a color Equalizer, modeled after a Hitachi PJ-TX300.


RGB-Equalizer the Z2000


Such an equalizer is a practical thing, but unfortunately he has in the case of the Z2000 too little space and too few steps in the various stages. We hope, therefore, that in the performance of RGB-Einstellungen to series much improved, because the rich possibilities, the strength of the recent Sanyo models.




2nd Preparation & Technology

In addition to the higher resolution of the projector promises many detail improvements in the technical construction. Given the good initial base of the PLV-Z5 is at this point a mature product to be expected. Obviously, we have a separate impression of the technical design of the projector made:




After opening the lid you get a look at the signal electronics, renowned for scaling chips as HQV, VXP or similar, in the price range of Z2000 waived. How well the "house" solution works, we will complete our testing in detail.


Particularly interesting is the light of the Z2000, because the projector uses the latest LCD-Generation "D7" from the house of Epson. Upon further disassembly can see the light out as a unit.



Pictured above is the complete light easily seen from the start (bottom right), the image generation (center) to the projection optics (above).


From this perspective, one can see the beginning of the path with light
Kondensor-Linsen


Unassembled the light, we get a revealing look at the heart of the Z2000, the optical block with the D7 panel:


The new D7-Panels


In the above picture you can see two of the three LCD-Einheiten who firmly with the glass prism are connected. Striking at the new generation are the bigger versions with metal straps, by the better heat dissipation is guaranteed. This is a new feature that an extended life span promises, as the LCD-Kühlung is a very important aspect for a reliable projector. Besides this passive cooling, they must also actively ventilated, which Sanyo exemplary resolved.



In the above picture you can see the air ducts through which the cooling air to the LCD panels vorbeigeblasen, until it on the top heraustritt. Here, incidentally, is the main problem of LCD: The individual panels must focus directly on the level cooled. In such quantities of air grows the risk of dust, the cold air should really free from any dust, so that the risk of annoying dust grains on the LCD panels will be blocked. When Z2000, the air inlet with a new, larger lamellae filter improved. This dust is increased security.



An absolutely perfect dust, but in the living rooms almost not possible, as is often the practice. The Sanyo approach to remedy the situation since the PLV-Z3 is just as great. The motto is: "If you have not entirely can prevent a dust grain on the LCD panel will" land ", it should be the user but the opportunity to remove it themselves." For this purpose are on the bottom six holes:


The holes are safely behind a hidden door dust


This includes the vielbekannte "Hurricane Blower", although no hurricanes caused, but enough air pressure to get any dust grains from the LCDs to blow.




It is the small bellows simply in the holes of the projector and so can the front and back of each of the three panels clean. This cleaning system is a unique feature of the Sanyo PLV-Z2000. For all other manufacturers have to the projector in the case of infestation in the dust (after the guarantee fee) service.

The device herausgeblasen will air on the right side of the projector, how to recognize the large Luftschlitzen.


Air slots on the right side


With the establishment of this architecture is to ensure that both the projector to the rear (Lufeinlass) and right (Luftablass) enough of it. A placement in a narrow shelf for example Is not recommended. The record volume of this ventilation system, and that in a positive sense. With a volume of only 19dB is the Beamer as quiet as a Mitsubishi HC5000 and thus one of the quietest on the market!

Simply, the statement by an optical lens shift, as in modern LCD projectors commonplace. Two adjustment knobs on the left side projectors, the image both vertically and horizontally.


Lens Shift wheels on the left side

The margin of Lensshifts is big: Up to 100% vertically and 50% horizontally, the picture moved. If found suitable setting, the mechanics with a slide lock, so that the appearance no longer can be adjusted later. The Lens Shift joins a large 2-cavity Zoom, in the statement, the Z2000 to be flexible, like no other projector on the market. He can without loss in image quality almost everywhere in the room.


The new projection optics allows
A large zoom range

The special HD-Projektionsoptik (picture above) only comes to light when the projector is running. After off will staubsicher behind a hidden door, which is also the optics of the projector even under conditions of the living room is good.

Of course, we also look under the microscope and were taken by a very surprising detail: There is no scattered light aperture Focus! This is very surprising, because so far there has been Sanyo projectors always have an adjustable iris in optics, the degree of openness with the help of the remote control can be adjusted. In the case of the Z2000 leaves seem to be alone on the panel in front of the adaptive lamp. Given the large effect of stray light in the aperture optics, in conjunction with the new D6 / 7 LCD-Generation seems to us these "savings measure" incomprehensible. As part of our "Z2000-Ultra-Projektes" we have the contrast of the projector may increase significantly, we are also in a separate special report.




3rd First impressions image

So much about the technical properties of the Z2000, we now turn to the first impressions in terms of image quality, with the first measurement results.


At this point we want to emphasize again that all results published here on a Vorserienmodell relate, and therefore only as a preliminary clues are to be! A detailed test of the final series device is the official launch follow!




3.1 color display

In addition to brightness and contrast, the color representation of a Heimkinobeamers very important for an accurate image display. It will be primarily determined from the color space (the primary colors) and the color temperature (color mixture).


Color space of the Z2000

The above measurement chart shows the color space of PLV-Z2000 samples (white triangle) in relation to video standard (dark triangle). As you can see, the color space into its primary colors in favor of a stronger representation of color in all three colors easily extended. At a particularly large color space was waived. The slight magnification seems to be very good compromise from accurate color reproduction of video material and colors of the original cinema, by the poor standard video so very sadly curtailed. Only the mixing of the secondary, in particular, Magenta, requires revision.


For the color mixing, color temperature to say, there are various factory presets available on the various fields of application are designed. For a highly accurate reproduction film is the "Pure Cinema" mode thought, which we have measured reviewed.


White Balance mode of Pure Cinema



The measurement shows a very good compliance with the 6500K (D65) norm, with only a minimal Green surplus is recorded, but with the help of RGB-Equalizers easily compensated.


Through the good votes of the color space and the color temperature succeed without the Z2000 also need to spend a convincing correction color reproduction. He manages to make a strong representation with natural properties. Deficits show in the secondary Magenta, even after calibration bluish. This is probably the most complex color management asked that the Z2000, but also offers.




3.2 image plasticity

One really big one, the LCD projectors since the D6 FullHD generation. Due to an increase in the native contrast and effective dynamic apertures DLP was here to open competition. Sanyo is also the quality leap succeeded?


As already mentioned work in PLV-Z2000 the latest LCD displays of "D7" generation of Epson. This panel has a higher fillrate, more brightness and corresponding polarization technique also has a higher contrast. Since we were naturally anxious to know whether these promises at the Z2000 understand.

We begin with the "Pure Cinema" mode, from the colors on a particularly accurate reproduction cinema designed. There are now several ways to contrast enhancement. As a "classic", the Z2000 an adaptive mode lamp, the lamp brightness to the scene of the thumb adapt. This mechanism works very well and unnoticed by the eye, the disadvantage is only one variable fan noise, in view of the low volume of the Beamers, but not significant drops. This mode increases the native D65-Kontrast of Beamers of about 1300:1 (Eco) to 1800:1. These are remarkable figures for an LCD projector. Due to the increased contrast wins the Beamer clearly brightness. Who wants more of the panel, Beamers adaptive endeavor. It is pure cinema mode very modest and can be programmed in its scope of application in about 60 stages influenced. With adaptive panel reached the projector between 3000:1 and 4000:1, depending on the setting. Despite the subtle support, the panel is not perfect, especially when sudden light / dark Change provides a brightness pumps. Since it also helps nothing, the panel on "quickly" move, because the mechanism is a work in real time.


Mode: Contrast Contrast (Eco) (A1) contrast (adaptive Aperture)
Pure Cinema 1235: 1 1800: 1 2800: 1 to 3700: 1
Creative Cinema 1300: 1 1900: 1 3900: 1
Brilliant Cinema 1310: 1 1922:1 8500:1
Dynamic 3,300 1 4,700 1 7,000 1
Vivid 4600: 1 50000: 1



His native contrast highest reaches of the projector, incidentally, in the mode "Dynamic" or "Vivid", say and write 3500:1 to 4000:1 were at our Pre-Production-Sample possible without adaptive Aperture As always, but this must be said that in these modes no accurate color representation is ensured, as the color spectrum of the lamp unfiltered on the canvas. It shows, however, the increased potential of D7 panels. As part of our "Z2000 Ultra" project was actually a native, honest contrast of about 4000:1 (and 6000:1 with A1 lamp mode!) Properly D65-Farbdarstellung possible without disturbing adaptive Aperture, but this soon in a separate Special ....

All in all, the Z2000 a graphic image, which is used primarily to the native good contrast and the effective working adaptive mode lamp is due. The panel, however, showed adaptive in that Vorseriengerät still weaknesses. We hope that up to the series is doing something else ...


Supports the good plasticity by a factory uniform gamma distribution, with an increase of "2.21" exactly the current mastering of feature films meets:



If properly terminating the Schwarzpegels will also clean dark details in the picture out and act still not artificially brightened. The assignment of each other brightness is consistent and credible acts in accordance with the original film. In addition, the projector on subsequent adjustment with respect to the Gammas, so that each individual request can be met.




3.3. Imaging generally

Particularly important in a FullHD Beamer like the Z2000 is, of course, the detail in the image, how well the projector from its native resolution in practical use. This depends on the sharpness and optical signal processing.

For the new Sanyo projector has its own HD-Optik used, which increased image sharpness adequately project. This is achieved very good: With less convergence shifting boundaries and sharp visual presentation convinced the sharpness especially when native HD-Zuspielung of HD-DVD or Blu-ray. Thus, the new HD-Medien appropriate and impressive on the screen. Supports the good result by the largely accurate color representation and good contrast, as already explained above. Only in the conventional analog PAL-Zuspielung shows the projector still weaknesses in the scale and in the De-Interlacing. Here we are the serial device to wait for further results.




4th Conclusion

Since the Sanyo model PLV-Z1 is one of the most successful suppliers of home cinema projectors in Germany and Europe. The reasons for this are obvious: The projectors always offer good facilities, lots of Constellation flexibility, reliable technology, and above all, a more than fair price. This is especially true for the last models PLV-Z4 / Z5. Now, Sanyo efforts to the success trend on the high FullHD-Auflösung transfer. And the start is very promising. The PLV-Z2000 is its relationship to the Z5 view, and the device was still technically completely revised. The processing was the price correspondingly improved, the light newly constructed, a new integrated optics, and by a larger housing a much quieter with more ventilation fans. The advantages of the base, installation flexibility and ease of use were adopted, including the legendary Hurricane-Blower to post dust removal, which, unfortunately, has not convincing adaptive light aperture.


All of this is a promising combination for a new Beamer success of Sanyo, this time in FullHD segment. Indeed, the motto "fair price" was one in which PLV-Z2000 loyal, with an indicative price of € 2799th - belongs to the new Beamer to the best of its class and offers an excellent price / performance ratio ... Everything in our more complete test of the market launch in November will be released.



My Cine4Home Team
Ekkehart Schmitt

Accepting 24P input is one thing, but I'm trying to determine if the Sanyo will display it at a multiple of 24, or convert it to 60 fps which can introduce judder.

Thanks,
Guy


It might be mentioned in the review that will be released this afternoon...

The Sanyo sounds very good, I'll wait till the AE200U review comes out, then I'll buy.

I wish the review talked more about the differences in brightness between the panny and sanyo.

here you go... I would have second thoughts with the AE2000.

not all movies are available in HD.... beware ;)

Perhaps the most surprising discovery in this side by side comparison was that the Z2000 actually trumps the AE2000 in its ability to deliver a smooth, filmlike image from standard definition DVD that was upscaled from Blu-ray and HD DVD players. The Z2000 showed less noise in SD source material. And while there was relatively little ghosting on the AE2000, there was none at all on the Z2000. These factors result in a remarkably smooth, clean picture on the Z2000 that was quite impressive.

Well, given my bias toward Sanyo already, projector central's review pretty much clinched it for me. I'll probably take the plunge in the next couple months. :)

Hmm. My upgrade from 720p to 1080p just got more challenging. What to get? Four really promising choices ... Optoma HD80, Sanyo PLV-Z2000, Panny PT-AE2000U & the Epson 1080UB. Choices, choices :).

I can get the Sanyo for $600 less then the AE2000U, and it has a 3 year warranty and is 3db less sound. And it plays standard dvd's on BR and HD better, from what it sounds like Sanyo is going to be my next projector.

The Sanyo is less expensive, has a better warranty, and does not have the reputation of so so QC and poor factory service (Heartland). I've owned the Panasonic AE100, AE300, AE500, AE700 and stopped at that due to QC and repair issues. Althought I've never owned a Sanyo, it sounds more enticing.

I've had a Sanyo PLV-Z2 and I have the Z4 now, never had one problem with them. One thing, will the ceiling mount from my Z4 fit the new Z2000.

In Canada I am told the MSRP will be $2799 and there will be a $300 rebate from that.

here you go... I would have second thoughts with the AE2000.

not all movies are available in HD.... beware ;)

Perhaps the most surprising discovery in this side by side comparison was that the Z2000 actually trumps the AE2000 in its ability to deliver a smooth, filmlike image from standard definition DVD that was upscaled from Blu-ray and HD DVD players. The Z2000 showed less noise in SD source material. And while there was relatively little ghosting on the AE2000, there was none at all on the Z2000. These factors result in a remarkably smooth, clean picture on the Z2000 that was quite impressive.

can anyone comment if they mean a 480p (de-interlaced by dvd player) signal sent to the projector or a 1080p signal (upscaled by the dvd player) sent to the projector?

Since it says:

upscaled from Blu-ray and HD DVD players

So I'm guessing they're talking about an upscaled image.

Since it says:



So I'm guessing they're talking about an upscaled image.

I agree...though its something that confuses me. Why would one do better than the other on upscaled 1080P vs. a HDM disc? You'd think 1080p vs 1080p would be similiar. Its not like they are doing more scaling or anything with an upscaled image.

I'm not getting this since the ae1000 was said to have a great upscaling picture for sd dvds. Either the Sanyo has an Amazing Picture for sd dvds, or the ae2000 got worse from the former 1000.

I own a 1000 and I love the upconversion picture, I'm looking into the 2000 and I hope it is not worse on the SD side. Maybe that's why it is cheaper than the 1000?here you go... I would have second thoughts with the AE2000.

not all movies are available in HD.... beware ;)

Perhaps the most surprising discovery in this side by side comparison was that the Z2000 actually trumps the AE2000 in its ability to deliver a smooth, filmlike image from standard definition DVD that was upscaled from Blu-ray and HD DVD players. The Z2000 showed less noise in SD source material. And while there was relatively little ghosting on the AE2000, there was none at all on the Z2000. These factors result in a remarkably smooth, clean picture on the Z2000 that was quite impressive.

Maybe that's why it is cheaper than the 1000?

Nope...I really don't think so...

I've had a Sanyo PLV-Z2 and I have the Z4 now, never had one problem with them. One thing, will the ceiling mount from my Z4 fit the new Z2000.

I also have a Z4 and am considering the Z2000. I was wondering if the ceiling mount holes are exactly the same or do you have a spider arm mount? Thanks.

the Z2000 actually trumps the AE2000 in its ability to deliver a smooth, filmlike image from standard definition DVD that was upscaled

And don't forget laserdisc too! :D Aren't DVDs from the "olden days"?

(I'm kidding of course. This may be more important than one would think as many of us have extensive SD DVD collections.)

I find it surprising that a certain poster is now quoting a Projector Central review for the Sanyo when he stated in a previous post that P.C. could not be trusted and was being paid by Panasonic. I feel that both the Sanyo and Panasonic projectors will both be great values and there will be different factors that can determine which one to choose. These factors should include

1 Price/performance
2 Actual cost
3 Contrast and black levels (very important for me)
4 Size of screen
5 Type of source you plan to use most.
6 Video processor
7 Virtical stretch
8 Ability to use anamorphic lens (imprtant for some users)

There are probably many other things to consider that is why I will be waiting to read what other AVS fourm members say when they make their choice. Saying the above I am sure most will be thrilled with either projector.

The Panasonic's vertical stretch to support a constant height setup is the key feature. Otherwise I would have around $500 to spend on an external processor to do the same. In my direct comparison of the two, I will search to see if anyone checks out the quality differences between a cheaper external stretch solution and the Pana's internal. Just as the discussion on the upscaling options, not all video-processing is identical quality just because it does the identical task.

After trying a couple different television technologies, I am considering these two projectors. I have a question for you guys that have, or have had LCD projectors in the past: How do these home theater style projectors do with gaming consoles and response time issues? I noticed that Panny AX200 is designed for gaming and has a mode to improve response time (from 9ms, to 3ms). Is it necessary to purchase a projector with less features in order to get these machines to run video-games without lag?
A couple more quick questions: how often does stuck or burned out pixels pose a problem with LCD projectors? Since mura and clouding seems to be a display panel issue, is the problem resolved when using an LCD projector?
I'm sure these questions have been hacked through many times, and I appreciate the patience of anyone who is willing to answer them again. Thanks!

I don't know that you need to purchase a PJ with a "game mode" feature as I've gamed on a BUNCH of projectors ranging from my old AE700U to a JVC RS1 and I've noticed no lag at all.

As for burnt out pixels, I never have seen one myself but it will eventually happen...

These models are recommended for home theatre use. The AX 200 as you know has a gaming mode and is brighter. You will loose a little contrast with the AX 200 but it may be better suited for gaming especially with the new setting. I would also think that unless you run the unit for thousands of hours there will be no problem with burned our pixels or with the display panel. By the time issues develop you will probably be ready to replace the projector. As you also know there is available an extended year warranty rebate for the Ax200. You will also save a lot of money. If you plan to use
the projector for home theatre and have a light controled room you might want to consider the 1080p projectors.

According to Panasonic's website the AE2000 has the video game mode like the AX200 but it is called 'High-Speed Mode'. http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/projector/products/ae2000/features2.html

But the manual for the AE2000 doesn't mention this mode. If the difference is really 9ms -vs- 3ms then there is really no need for this mode but it the normal projector lag was forty or fifty milliseconds then it could be nice.

I game on a Sanyo Z2 (4 years old) with no lag or other issues.

I game on a Sanyo Z2 (4 years old) with no lag or other issues.

Same here. Amazing experience. In fact I do more gaming on it that anything else combined, and have not noticed any lag. Gaming is certainly an integral part of the home theatre.

I have owned Sanyo Z4 and Mitsubishi HC5000. Did not noticed any significant response time, lag nor ghosting on screen, there is probably some but not really noticable. I have tried to find out the response time of the panels before but never really got any definitive answer. I found some articles mentioning the response time were 16ms and 11ms on the D6 and D7 panels respectively. I wonder where you found the improved response time of 9ms to 3ms. I suspect these may be video processing time instead of panel response time since it may not be possible to increase panel response time. But video processing time can easily be reduced by by-passing certain enhancement processes. These processes are probably not critial for fast moving images since our eyes can not resolve detail in very fast motion. I think the game mode has more to do with the boosting gamma in dark scenes dynamically rather than removing flaws from image, which may be the best thing since the invention of junk food for an LCD projector with iris for gaming. May be I am not critical enough but I've never find the image to be too dark in movies viewing but often find the dark scenes in gaming too dark when the iris clamped down. I had noticed that the D5 and D6 LCD projectors were some what deficient with producing deep black, but in a game there is very few scenes which are mostly black (do not confuse the black scenes with dark scenes).
If repsonse time is a major concern of yours then you may want to consider DLP and Sony vw50/60 which have super fast response time. I went with LCD projectors mainly because of the lens shift. With a projector you may occasionally find yourself taking the projector to a buddy's and a projector without lens shift is a pain to set up time and time again. I had been lucky enough to never had a stuck pixel. But since you'll be 10 ft or more away from the screen you will not notice one or 2 dead pixel.
Since you are a first time buyer for LCD projector I would recommend AE2000 over Z2000 (based on published features not real world reviews) because of the color of the AE2000 is said to be very accurate out of the box. I understand that most of the games are not made using HDTV color space as reference level but I doubt if they deviate from it by too large a margin. So adjusting for a color setting for a specific game may be easier on the AE2000, plus it has 16 programmable preset verse 7 on Z2000.

p.s. make sure you get the right screen for your environment.

I also have a Z4 and am considering the Z2000. I was wondering if the ceiling mount holes are exactly the same or do you have a spider arm mount? Thanks.

Ditto here. I have a mount specifically for the Z2 which also fits the Z4. Anyone know if it will fit the Z2000? Perhaps someone needs to ask Sanyo or one of the review sites...

I have a mount specifically for the Z2 which also fits the Z4. Anyone know if it will fit the Z2000?

It fits. Look at attached images.

Hi, folks.

First i would ask you to forgive me for my poor english. I'm Brazilian and new around here. You guys can't even imagine how difficult is it to buy good stuff back here. Any projector arrives for at least double of it's original price. The "professionals" that should know everything about players, projectors and stuff like that, sometimes don't know even more than we(ordinary people - clients) do.
So i'm proud to say to you that i finally own good stuff(receiver onkyo 875; oppo 981; toshiba A35; PS3 and now i'm upgrading from my sanyo Z4 to Panny AE2000U). So my question is: what kind of screen is ideal for me? My room is 10,8 feet w to 10,8 feet deep. My projection distance will be 9 feet so i'm planning to have a 84 inch diagonal screen using 1,85 zoom. Should i go white or gray?

thank you anyway.

If your room has outside light you should go grey. If your room has white walls, floor, ceiling, they will reflect light back onto the screen, another reason to go grey. 84 inch diagonal, you have brightness to spare, can go grey.

There is a different sub-forum on avsforum that talks about screens.