http://www.radio-info.com/in3_src/images/SP07_National_Satellite_P12.pdf


of note-

Stern clocks in as the number one listened to Satstation on either service.
over 1.2 million-

O&A just over 200,000



in other news,

O&A were just dropped from WYSP in Philly-

‘Opie & Anthony’ dumped by WYSP

WYSP (94.1) today parted ways with Opie & Anthony, its syndicated morning show.
WYSP, which last month announced it would return to rock, will play music in morning drive tomorrow and for the foreseeable future, said its general manager, David Yadragoff.

Since April 2006, the freewheeling, New York-based personalities aired on WYSP and as many as 11 Infinity/CBS stations in a unique partnership with XM Satellite Radio.

Greg "Opie" Hughes and Anthony Cumia replaced the ratings-deprived David Lee Roth, who lasted only four months. Roth, the rocker-cum-pundit, had the unenviable task of following ratings juggernaut Howard Stern when Stern left for Sirius Satellite Radio in late 2005.

WYSP was alone today in jettisoning O&A, whose ratings have been tepid among listeners ages 18 to 34; in September, the show had actually risen - into 10th place.

Six other CBS stations now air O&A, said a CBS spokeswoman, who added that she had no announcements about the other stations' plans.

Kidd Chris, the station's afternoon host, is one of several candidates for the morning show, Yadragoff said.

Robert Eatman, O&A's manager, did not immediately return a call for comment.

In 2002, O&A created a stink during their first tour of duty with CBS Radio when they broadcast audio of a couple supposedly having sex in New York's St. Patrick's Cathedral. The pair were pulled off the air after the Federal Communications Commission accused them of indecency and threatened fines.

XM hired them in October 2004, and they thrived in the unbowdlerized world of satellite radio.

When XM offered to share them with CBS 18 months ago, the two were hailed as saviors.

"Oddly enough, our goal a few years ago was just to get work," Cumia told the Associated Press in 2006. "We wanted to get a job."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...d_by_WYSP.html

Stern is the reason I stick with Sirius. Entertaining as hell.

Wow, so does this mean Sirius is paying $416 for every Stern listener? Great business decision.

Wow, so does this mean Sirius is paying $416 for every Stern listener? Great business decision.


No, what it means is,
Stern is the king of SatRadio with 5x more people tuning in then O&A-or any other channel!

O&A are falling apart right in front of your eyes!

thats what this means;)

Easy kids. Your going to get this one closed like the last thread.

Full disclosure, I am an O&A fan, but I have never heard Howard, so he might be ok, couldn't tell ya. Anthony did say this morning that the rating book was compiled when O&A were on suspension. Take that for what it is worth, I guess. Also, Opie cant keep his mouth shut sometimes, and didn't help his cause by calling WYSP pd John Cook a "wussy"...

http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=499308

FWIW, I am amazed that XM 202 only counts 200K listeners... I would have thought it would have been way higher. Now I understand why no one knows who the hell I am referring to when I mention O&A and l'il Jimmy Norton...

:)

FWIW, I am amazed that XM 202 only counts 200K listeners... I would have thought it would have been way higher. Now I understand why no one knows who the hell I am referring to when I mention O&A and l'il Jimmy Norton...

:)


why,?

when they were a pay service Opie said they had 30,000 paying customers.

30,000-200,000 thousand sounds about right.

They should have kept quiet about Stern and just did the type show they did on afternoon drive. going back to FM and laughing how they were in Howards chair and talking to Sterns audience has now come back to bite them.

they made the bed they now have to sleep in!

The sports ratings seem very low, even MLB. Is that because of the spring timeframe of the report and/or the fact that each channel is "closed" except when a game is on?

going back to FM and laughing how they were in Howards chair and talking to Sterns audience has now come back to bite them.

they made the bed they now have to sleep in!


I do not see how that correlates, necessarily. The show does has a bit more substance than "bash Howard" all day, every day. They have done their fair share of it, though, no doubt. I was just unaware the number of XM listeners was so small. Its a different market though, I suppose, satellite versus terrestial. There are probably times when certain cable tv channels fail to have 200000 viewers. Xm & Sirius are just that, in essence, 'cable radio'. Stern listeners are shown to be very loyal in these numbers, with over a million showing up for him. That is really good for the future of satellite radio, IMO. It not a service I want to live without, however it ends up with the proposed merger and all.

The only real reason I keep XM now though(internet subscription) is for Ron & Fez. If you have never listened to it, please give it a fair chance sometime. They dont bash, there is no overt 'shock jock' quality to it, just a damn good radio show, each and every day.

I do not see how that correlates, necessarily. The show does has a bit more substance than "bash Howard" all day, every day. They have done their fair share of it, though, no doubt. I was just unaware the number of XM listeners was so small. Its a different market though, I suppose, satellite versus terrestial. There are probably times when certain cable tv channels fail to have 200000 viewers. Xm & Sirius are just that, in essence, 'cable radio'. Stern listeners are shown to be very loyal in these numbers, with over a million showing up for him. That is really good for the future of satellite radio, IMO. It not a service I want to live without, however it ends up with the proposed merger and all.

The only real reason I keep XM now though(internet subscription) is for Ron & Fez. If you have never listened to it, please give it a fair chance sometime. They dont bash, there is no overt 'shock jock' quality to it, just a damn good radio show, each and every day.


Ron & Fez are pretty good. id rather them then Bubba. I think if KRock went R&F in AM and O&A in afternoon it might have worked. now who knows.

Just an FYI, O&A are gone in Detroit now too. They were on 1270 AM for awhile and were replaced with Mik & Mike ESPN radio. O&A were moved to 97.1 the FM sister station. Now, both AM and FM station are simulcast. The old 97.1 afternoon drive show Deminski and Doyle are on mornings both AM and FM. The rest of the day is sports talk.

Ron & Fez are pretty good. id rather them then Bubba. I think if KRock went R&F in AM and O&A in afternoon it might have worked. now who knows.

I have thought the very same thing. Unfortunately, I do not believe Mr. Bennington does mornings.

Funny though, one of the only shows that had any pulse with the FreeFm experiment was Ron & Fez, and these guys do not have a show on terrestrial. Ron & Fez are actually radio friendly, and amusing.

Radio executives, however, rarely surprise me anymore when it comes to awful programming decisions.

FWIW, O&A brought up the fact this morning that during the 3 months that the ratings were taken, they were on vacation for 2 weeks and suspension for 30 days. So for half of the ratings, they were not on the air.

FWIW, O&A brought up the fact this morning that during the 3 months that the ratings were taken, they were on vacation for 2 weeks and suspension for 30 days. So for half of the ratings, they were not on the air.


Sterns off on Fridays and Im sure was on vacation since he takes so damn many;) so whats O&A point?

Maybe O&A should look in the mirror and stop blaming everything and everyone else for their failors....

Sterns off on Fridays and Im sure was on vacation since he takes so damn many;) so whats O&A point?

Maybe O&A should look in the mirror and stop blaming everything and everyone else for their failors....

So the fact that for 1/3 of the time that the data was collected, there was nothing O&A related on the station (no re-runs, no best ofs, no mention of them) and another 1/6 of the time there was only re-runs should not affect the rating? Okay that's reasonable, you win.:rolleyes:

So the fact that for 1/3 of the time that the data was collected, there was nothing O&A related on the station (no re-runs, no best ofs, no mention of them) and another 1/6 of the time there was only re-runs should not affect the rating? Okay that's reasonable, you win.:rolleyes:


Pat if that makes you feel better, so be it.....

How about the FM portion of the show. the ratings stink and stations are pulling out left and right.... the show has turned into hack z100 morning type radio.

paying people to listen by offering 1,000 a day for guessing a sound....come on Pat, even you can admit the FM portion of the show stinks!

Pat if that makes you feel better, so be it.....

How about the FM portion of the show. the ratings stink and stations are pulling out left and right.... the show has turned into hack z100 morning type radio.

paying people to listen by offering 1,000 a day for guessing a sound....come on Pat, even you can admit the FM portion of the show stinks!
FM portion is very hit or miss. Definitely not like it was in the WNEW days, but then again, it can't be, too many liberals nanzi panzi's out there trying to make sure no one's feelings get hurt. Some portions of the FM show are very good. I do enjoy the XM portion much better, which, after all is what we are talking about, right?

The sad thing is that none of this will probably matter if the merger does not happen.

O&A are SPINNING the results of the ratings, and they know it.

Howard does the same damn thing, so don't flame me for that statement.

They are in a little bit of a pickle.

They are not delivering, and in the radio business that is usually a precursor to execution.

They will always have a job, that is for sure.

But they will never be the syndicated giant like Stern was. Or generate the revenue that he did. They just never will.

You DON'T replace a Howard Stern's revenue generating ability. You just don't.

We can argue all day long about who is better(I prefer Stern most definitely), but you can't get back those ad dollars. Just no way.

Or people like Rush Limbaugh for that matter.

Even Don Imus. For as much as Stern can't understand why the guy get's all the great advertisers, he STILL does.

He seems to be ratings immune. But in the terrestrial radio world, it is about selling ADVERTING at a premium, which he does for one reason or another. He seems to do it, with no explanation.

O&A will always be on the radio somewhere. I just don't see the sydicated giant(and it appears to be shrinking evry quarter) that Stern was.

They may just be happy eventually to be on NYC radio period, where they may eventually claim the #1 spot, but it sure doesn't look like it now.

FWIW, O&A brought up the fact this morning that during the 3 months that the ratings were taken, they were on vacation for 2 weeks and suspension for 30 days. So for half of the ratings, they were not on the air.

Your scambling for excuses like O&A. Howard goes on vacation MORE than before, takes Friday off, and still has the #1 rating.

O&A never blame themselves for their lack luster performance. It's always someone's else's fault.:rolleyes:

So the fact that for 1/3 of the time that the data was collected, there was nothing O&A related on the station (no re-runs, no best ofs, no mention of them) and another 1/6 of the time there was only re-runs should not affect the rating? Okay that's reasonable, you win.:rolleyes:

So, what your saying is IF O&A were on during that time period, they'd have blockbuster ratings.

C'mon.

So, what your saying is IF O&A were on during that time period, they'd have blockbuster ratings.

C'mon.
Let's pretend you have a job. Now let's suppose your boss decides to rate your performance on your output for the last three weeks of which 1.5 of those weeks you were not at your job working. Would you feel as though your rating was based on your actual capability?

Let's pretend you have a job. Now let's suppose your boss decides to rate your performance on your output for the last three weeks of which 1.5 of those weeks you were not at your job working. Would you feel as though your rating was based on your actual capability?

If what your saying is true, it means that when the NEXT ratings come out AND O&A were working most of those days, then their ratings should be through the roof?

Again, are you saying that if they worked every single day during the ratings, they'd equal or excel Howard???

When will you admit that they're insignificant? The ratings for sat and reg radio are awful. You keep fooling yourself the unavoidable.

If what your saying is true, it means that when the NEXT ratings come out AND O&A were working most of those days, then their ratings should be through the roof?

Again, are you saying that if they worked every single day during the ratings, they'd equal or excel Howard???

When will you admit that they're insignificant? The ratings for sat and reg radio are awful. You keep fooling yourself the unavoidable.

I don't think that is what I said. Hold on let me re-read it. Nope I didn't.
I have never said that they have the same number or more listeners on Sat than Howie. On the contrary I have said the opposite. No need to put words in my mouth. And "Fooling myself the unavoidable" what the hell does that mean?

I don't think that is what I said. Hold on let me re-read it. Nope I didn't.
I have never said that they have the same number or more listeners on Sat than Howie. On the contrary I have said the opposite. No need to put words in my mouth. And "Fooling myself the unavoidable" what the hell does that mean?

You mentioned that they don't have good ratings is because they were out for a period of time. Therefore your implying that if they were on every day, the ratings would be higher. No? I said the same or close to Howard in sarcasim.

"Fooling myself the unavoidable" means, no matter how much proof there is that their days are numbered, you think they'll be around.

Anyway, if they rock your boat, then enjoy. But to constantly find excuses for their awful performance and no talent. Well.....:rolleyes:

Okay, last try. Let's use myself as an example, I tune in to channel 202 on average 6 days a week, for a total of an hour each day, during their suspension, I probably tuned in 3 times in a 30 day period for a total of 30 minutes. I am not a rabid fan or a pest, just an average listener so I suspect there are many more like myself. Using this info, draw your own conclusion as to whether or not the results were affected.

Bad FM ratings because of XM....
Bad XM ratings because of suspension.
that about covers it.....
right?

Okay, last try. Let's use myself as an example, I tune in to channel 202 on average 6 days a week, for a total of an hour each day, during their suspension, I probably tuned in 3 times in a 30 day period for a total of 30 minutes. I am not a rabid fan or a pest, just an average listener so I suspect there are many more like myself. Using this info, draw your own conclusion as to whether or not the results were affected.

We'll see what the next ratings show.

O & A are offering to work for free on any Philly station, that they'll take down Preston and Steve, they couldn't do it when they were paid, why would a free show be any different?
http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=499517

O & A are offering to work for free on any Philly station, that they'll take down Preston and Steve, they couldn't do it when they were paid, why would a free show be any different?
http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=499517

It just proves that if these guys had any clout, fan base, influence, they'd NEVER work for free. Talk about desperation.

Hear that Pat6366. For free...... Now that's funny.:D

Padcast anyone;)

Even Don Imus. For as much as Stern can't understand why the guy get's all the great advertisers, he STILL does.

Yep... It is really easy to understand though.. It's called Demographics...


It is going o be interesting to see how many of those big time advertisers follow Imus to WABC on Dec. 3rd...

It just proves that if these guys had any clout, fan base, influence, they'd NEVER work for free. Talk about desperation.

Hear that Pat6366. For free...... Now that's funny.:D

Is that worse than Sirius paying $416 per listener?

Is that worse than Sirius paying $416 per listener?

The ratings are only to show where the listeners are. Not to specifiy a channel making or losing money. Sirius and XM work mainly on subs, very little from ads.

Is that worse than Sirius paying $416 per listener?


Is that the fall back spin Pat?

I mean, Stern delivers Listeners, O&A dont!

the O&A show on FM as you've said,

has taken a turn for the Worst, and is not that good anymore.

I hated O&A when I had XM, I like Howard on Sirius, but I thought he would have more listeners. I know that he had way more than everyone else in talk radio, but I thought he would have more than they have. I guess he has about 25% give or take, but I thought it would be more.

Slightly off topic, but if you want to read some postings as pathetic as the Sirius vs XM or Howie vs O&A, check out the HD DVD forum this morning. The Blu-ray folks are in there trashing HD DVD becasue the $98 Wal-mart deal has them quaking in their boots. They're afraid that they'll end up with a $1000 doorstop when the war is over. Pretty funny to read. Just for the record I am not in either camp, but I guess I'm pulling for HD DVD because Sony annoys me. Pat

I hated O&A when I had XM, I like Howard on Sirius, but I thought he would have more listeners. I know that he had way more than everyone else in talk radio, but I thought he would have more than they have. I guess he has about 25% give or take, but I thought it would be more.

Did you read post 1? Howard's 1.5 mill to O&A's 200.000 is much more than 25%. Remember, it took cable, sat tv YEARS to establish where they are now. Sat radio will take a little more because of not having a visual, but it's growing.

Did you read post 1? Howard's 1.5 mill to O&A's 200.000 is much more than 25%. Remember, it took cable, sat tv YEARS to establish where they are now. Sat radio will take a little more because of not having a visual, but it's growing.

I think he was referring to 25% of Sirius listeners. The 1.2M number isn't in line with the theory that Howie casused Sirius to go from 400k subs to 4M subs (at the time).

It can be because it was for this rating period. The 400k to 4 mill is possible because it may have been the Stern factor and the numbers were the actual for that specific time. Still, it's huge compared to any other show on both companies.

I think he was referring to 25% of Sirius listeners. The 1.2M number isn't in line with the theory that Howie casused Sirius to go from 400k subs to 4M subs (at the time).

Thats what I meant. I was mad at XM for dropping Shannon Burke (his show was great, better than O&A for sure) and decided to switch it up and try Sirius. It took a little while to really get into Howard, but once your " in the loop" and have a little background on the show its pretty funny. (I live in a town where we did not get him, only heard him 5 or 6 times when traveling and saw the TV shows.) He tells it like he has all 6 million listeners at the same time.

Thats what I meant. I was mad at XM for dropping Shannon Burke (his show was great, better than O&A for sure) and decided to switch it up and try Sirius. It took a little while to really get into Howard, but once your " in the loop" and have a little background on the show its pretty funny. (I live in a town where we did not get him, only heard him 5 or 6 times when traveling and saw the TV shows.) He tells it like he has all 6 million listeners at the same time.


better yet he says after the merger he'll have 14 million listeners;)

Of course stern literally owns them all, so in one show, he gets more listeners than every other show combined for the entire week, even with 37% less audience...even if the next rating reflect O and A being there and not in rerun, it's not going to change much. It's just not, do you think stern fans don't listen to best of's when he isn't there.....

Really of course stern won, but to me the craziest thing of all is paying 55 million for oprah. I mean haha look how that ended up. Jesus what a mess, no wonder that ceo left, they probably made him.

As for the person who mentioned imus and demographics lol. come on who gives a crap what demo it is when you can only pull a 1.6 share for christ sake. Howard is just right , it defies all logic he gets ads.

The merger needs to go through that is one thing that is totally clear from the numbers. The whole thing really is turned out to be pretty funny. Hard to brag when you only have 200k listeners, and even with next book when it goes back up to 220,000 listeners because its live...that's one big foot right to the balls for them.

Of course stern literally owns them all, so in one show, he gets more listeners than every other show combined for the entire week, even with 37% less audience...even if the next rating reflect O and A being there and not in rerun, it's not going to change much. It's just not, do you think stern fans don't listen to best of's when he isn't there.....

I have never, ever listened to best of, just like I never watch a repeat of a TV show, I have no interest in it. When Howie is on vacation I check out everything else Sirius has to offer, and still enjoy it!

I have never, ever listened to best of, just like I never watch a repeat of a TV show, I have no interest in it. When Howie is on vacation I check out everything else Sirius has to offer, and still enjoy it!


same here....

to much to hear on sirius.

hdtv00 is just not paying attention. When Oand A were suspended for 30 days there were no replays or best ofs. No reference of them at all except when they would be back.

hdtv00 is just not paying attention. When Oand A were suspended for 30 days there were no replays or best ofs. No reference of them at all except when they would be back.

Great. You keep using the suspension rap. Accoring to your reply, if they were on, live or best ofs, they'd have a similar rating or beat Howard? When are you going to give up your ridiculous analogy! You don't want to accept defeat and forcefully, blindly, not let it go!

Are you for real?:rolleyes:

Bottom line: O&A suck, they don't have any substancial ratings either sat or terrestial, markets keep dropping them, they're offering to work for free.(talk about desperate)

What more proof do you want? Your drowning in a puddle! Your digging your hole deeper! Be a man and admit your wrong and stop fighting a lost battle!

Accoring to your reply, if they were on, live or best ofs, they'd have a similar rating or beat Howard?
Wow, you rode the short bus to school didn't you? Please reread post 22.:rolleyes:

Wow, you rode the short bus to school didn't you? Please reread post 22.:rolleyes:

Read it and not the point. Pat, you keep finding excuses. Best ofs, live, whatever, they suck. Even if Howard didn't exist, someone else would beat them. That's how bad they are.

vitod, Twice you have said that I believe they would have similar ratings, which I have never said. So I guess your point boils down to the rest of your post which is your opinion. I do believe that the cost per generated sub is lower for XM, but I do not have all the numbers required to calculate that. How about we agree to enjoy the show that we prefer and leave it at that, so this thread doesn't get locked. After all we're practically neighbors.

No pat you just dont get it , IT"S NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. It wont matter if they're live, replayed, dead whatever. They can't pull ratings on old radio which is why they're being dumped left and right. That can't generate an audiance, and never have, not in stern numbers anyway. They can't have best of shows, what they cant pull a .5 share lol with live shows, of course they wouldn't put on replays. O and A have no such thing...hehe. I'm only half kidding.....

Like I said who cares, like anyone with half a brain and not BS'ed OandA fan knows the reality of radio ratings , sat or otherwise. The only thing they are capable of is BIG talk, no ratings, it's been shown year after year and now , old place vs new place. There's a reason they talk crap about stern, and not imus and the assortment of other tards. You pick on the top when you're at the bottom. I wonder what excuse they'll have to come up with next book lol.

Another crazy thing is kubie being replaced by imus, how funny is that non sense. Man radio is a freaking mess major. No wonder they're hiring everyone and their mother to fight a xm and sirrus merger, it's just crazy. You hear jesse jackson take on being against it lol classic....

hdtv00, again, not sure you're listening or have read all the threads. Your ADD style post is too all over the place to even respond to, so I'll just say it's great that you have an opinion, enjoy.

Its only to mess with you. Which is funny, I mean just look how many times you've posted in THIS page alone, you should be embarrassed really. It's rather funny is all. But go ahead reply yet again, defend your two nobodies. Hell I bet riley martin gets better ratings than your two pals.

That or you're just trying to pass my post count lol. But we all know really know why.

All I ever wantd to point out is what they paid for oprah, and how insane that was, everyone with half a clue knows in no reality will OandA ever beat stern. Heck when you go back to when you had to pay for them , what'd they had 25,000 listeners....

Only 4 more to go after this one and we're tied, yeee ha. Congrats on the slighlty more coherent post. Also, let us know when you actually subscribe to one of the Sat radio providers, your opinion will mean more then.

seems to me the Howard fans get so bent out of shape when a fan of O&A talks about their show.

keep listening to Stern...i did for years and years and years.....my brother introduced me to his channel 9 show back in the 80's. I just felt over the years he got a little too "hollywood" for me and lost that appeal he used to have where he was down to earth and close to his fans....now he's just a rich guy who takes vacations 1/3 of the year.

O&A will never have Stern numbers....that's why he's paid so well....i like O&A cause they have that down to earth feel that Stern used to have........they give back to their fans A LOT and they don't act like they are bigger then them (for the most part).

Stern will always have bigger numbers as long as he's on the radio....and O&A will always have a job....they always have (unless of course they were suspended again)

vitod, Twice you have said that I believe they would have similar ratings, which I have never said. So I guess your point boils down to the rest of your post which is your opinion. I do believe that the cost per generated sub is lower for XM, but I do not have all the numbers required to calculate that. How about we agree to enjoy the show that we prefer and leave it at that, so this thread doesn't get locked. After all we're practically neighbors.


Pat, don't get me wrong. I actually like you. The thing is that when a positive is mentioned about Howard, you have to down grade it somehow. It seems you can't stand it. Seriously, what's your beef? If Stern was doing miserably, I'd be the first to acknowledge it. Stern fan or not. If O&A won the ratings, I'd give you a hand shake.

seems to me the Howard fans get so bent out of shape when a fan of O&A talks about their show.

keep listening to Stern...i did for years and years and years.....my brother introduced me to his channel 9 show back in the 80's. I just felt over the years he got a little too "hollywood" for me and lost that appeal he used to have where he was down to earth and close to his fans....now he's just a rich guy who takes vacations 1/3 of the year.

O&A will never have Stern numbers....that's why he's paid so well....i like O&A cause they have that down to earth feel that Stern used to have........they give back to their fans A LOT and they don't act like they are bigger then them (for the most part).

Stern will always have bigger numbers as long as he's on the radio....and O&A will always have a job....they always have (unless of course they were suspended again)

This thread is about the ratings. Not what Stern did or is doing and what "the boys":rolleyes:are. If Howard is a rich, not caring for his fans guy, then why is his fan base so big compared to O&A? If they "give back" to their fans, why don't the fans grow and support them? Fans can grow dramatically because they're on free radio. If they are so scary good, why do they keep talking about him? Wouldn't they be advertising Stern? Why give Stern the satisfaction?

It seems that every O&A fan is giving excuses based that they weren't on enough and therefore the dismal rating. Ok. Let's wait for the next and see what happens.

To all the Stern followers out there drop the kool aid for a minute and actualy engage your brains.

First off, the survey was over an 8 week period. The first two weeks of that time were best of. The second two weeks were live. The last four, THEY WERE NOT ON IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM AT ALL. They were not even allowed to have thier name mentioned on the station. How can you have ratings if they were not even on? You can't.

Second, this study was not sanctioned by either Xm OR Sirius. There was no Sat radio column. Everything that registerd for sat, people had to make thier own column. Now when people who live in an area that broadcast O&A via FM wrote down O&A, they were counted under FM, NOT XM. Big differance. Surely you can see how this would affect raitings. Everytime someone wrote Stern, it registered under Sirus, as that's the only place you can hear him.

Also, I wonder how many people listin to O&A in the morning Via D*? Again not counted.

This is FACT, not spin.

Now XM has stated that in thier own studys, done by actualy calling subscribers, they have a number that is over 1 million a week for O&A.

Big difference.

This thread is about the ratings. Not what Stern did or is doing and what "the boys":rolleyes:are. If Howard is a rich, not caring for his fans guy, then why is his fan base so big compared to O&A? If they "give back" to their fans, why don't the fans grow and support them? Fans can grow dramatically because they're on free radio. If they are so scary good, why do they keep talking about him? Wouldn't they be advertising Stern? Why give Stern the satisfaction?

It seems that every O&A fan is giving excuses based that they weren't on enough and therefore the dismal rating. Ok. Let's wait for the next and see what happens.


what excuse am i giving???....i stated the fact that Howard is bigger, he is and always will be now, plus he's been around so much longer which gives him that much bigger of a fan base...plus, yes he is good and so is his show......no where did i say he sucks at what he does now. He also was one of the originators of shock jock radio.....now a days they are a dime a dozen so people have MANY more choices of who they want to listen to for their laughs....back in the day it was pretty much just him and people tend to stick to things that they know best and are more comfratable with.

some people don't care that Stern is bigger then life now....i do, maybe you don't....to each his own....why do take offense to that statement??? Where did i say they are "scary" good????....i said i prefer them...that's my opinion is all.

i like the fact that O&A are brutally honest...i like that Opie tells what's on his mind no matter who it offends or if he does they could possibly be kicked off the radio.

and please give it up that O&A ALWAYS talk about Stern....you obviously don't listen to the show enough....i've listened for the most part every day since i got my XM radio back in July and i think they've talked about him about 4 or 5 times for about 15 minutes each time.....is that a lot???? they do a 5 hour show 5 days a week....but i guess that hour and fifteen minutes is a lot to you.

Ohh and add the fact that thier slaries are WAY lower than Stern, they make a crap load more money for the company than Stern.

If they are so terrible, why did Stern have them gaged for years?

Arguing O&A and Stern is no longer relevant.
one delivered, while the other has hit a few bumps.!

To all the Stern followers out there drop the kool aid for a minute and actualy engage your brains.

First off, the survey was over an 8 week period. The first two weeks of that time were best of. The second two weeks were live. The last four, THEY WERE NOT ON IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM AT ALL. They were not even allowed to have thier name mentioned on the station. How can you have ratings if they were not even on? You can't.

Second, this study was not sanctioned by either Xm OR Sirius. There was no Sat radio column. Everything that registerd for sat, people had to make thier own column. Now when people who live in an area that broadcast O&A via FM wrote down O&A, they were counted under FM, NOT XM. Big differance. Surely you can see how this would affect raitings. Everytime someone wrote Stern, it registered under Sirus, as that's the only place you can hear him.

Also, I wonder how many people listin to O&A in the morning Via D*? Again not counted.

This is FACT, not spin.

Now XM has stated that in thier own studys, done by actualy calling subscribers, they have a number that is over 1 million a week for O&A.

Big difference.

Excuses......again.

Excuses......again.

How is that an excuse?

It is what actualy happend.

We'll see the next ratings.

We'll see the next ratings.


vitod why bother,

bad FM ratings, FM stations dropping them left and right, freefm show that is turning into a bad morning zoo show, bad ratings on sat...


again, why bother!

Exactly, they NEVER, hear me now, EVER have the numbers stern did. Period, end of story, I'm just glad they can come up with excuses why they don't. But like merc pointed out, they're being dropped like flies on FM, on xm it will be no different, those numbers are not going to change next book period. It doesn't matter if sat providers like it or not, do you really think FM likes their numbers any more, thats why they're an independant firm...

and poor pat lol twice as many posts on page 2, almost there huh, how about the 8 posts of yours on page 1.....and that's where it makes me laugh. o and a people come up with ANY excuse to justify those two aren't stern, the sad fact you may never face is they NEVER will be.

Least merc tried to make sense of it all. But it in the end it doesn't matter, they're not stern and they never will be.

Even though I try to avoid these things, here is the bottom line:

O&A were handed the keys to the Rolls Royce, and it WON'T START. But this IS NOT THERE FAULT. I will explain why.

A Nationally Syndicated Talk Show Network GENERATED/CREATED by STERN over the period of 20-25 years. Not overnight. Not just HANDED to him. But over a period of 25 years to "build" his current empire.

READ THAT PREVIOUS SENTENCE AGAIN, FOR THOSE WHO ARE SLOWWW!!!

Howard was never handed anything. He helped build his own syndicated radio show, but it did not happen overnight. It took years to do it. At least 15 years before Howard TRULY became National.

Now I was born and raised in NJ, so I have known about Howard for a long time. But even I wasn't there in the beginning. I used to listen to him somewhat as a kid when he was on NBC in the afternoons(I used to like the fart noises and dirty jokes as I did my homework. Always kept the sound down because if the parents ever found out I was listening to him, would have gotten in serious trouble), but I really don't recall any of the programs.

Anyway, then I began my listening of stations like Z100 and 95.5 WPLJ. People that live in NYC or the burbs know these stations(at least when I was listening to them in the mid to late 80's/90's are geared towards what would be called the Tween generation. Pop music, some clean dirty jokes, a Jewish Mother Sweater Alert type of Weather report, and maybe some funny phony phone calls. Nothing too outrageous, but hilarious to stupid kids who like the current pop music(Maddona, Whitesnake, Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen, Wham, Duran Duran, Cindy Lauper, Quiet Riot, Hall and Oates, all the 80's Cheese, etc...) on the way to school on the bus in the morning. The bus drivers typically had these radio stations tuned in, if you were lucky to have a "cool" bus driver who had a radio installed into the school bus. Most didn't, but some did.

I didn't "rediscover" Howard until late in my Junior year of High School(1990). Began to get a ride in the morning with friends who had a driver's license, and we would listen on the way in. I was hooked back in, and have been listening ever since.

But even then(1990) Howard was by no means, NATIONAL. Not even close. People in the Tri-state area knew who he was, but go west of Philadelphia(even to north near Scranton/Wilkes Barre didn't know who the hell he was) and most people would say, "Who?"

Even his channel 9 show was mainly seen by those of us lucky enough to live in NJ/NY/Conneticut/maybe a little bit of PA because it was broadcast oin Channel 9 out of Secaucus, NJ. Alot of people never saw those shows, or will ever be exposed to them because of legal disputes between Stern and WWOR. They own the tapes, and he does not, and that irks him. They always will unless they develop a brain fart and let them go.

The point is O&A were given the keys to the kingdom, FOR NO GOOD REASON.

The idiotic executives at CBS just thought they could plug them in(after the David Lee Roth debacle), and it will MONEY , MONEY , MONEY again from advertisers, just like Stern.

That is not fair to them(O&A). They are NOT STERN. And if THEY thought they could just come in and take over, then they are fools as well. And there small fan base is really diluting themselves in thinking that.

O&A are not a nationally known product. They just aren't.

This is the main reason why they are being dumped by stations all over the country.

They NEVER did anything to help CREATE that success.

They did nothing to create those syndicated markets.

They(O&A and the executives at CBS) just thought they could step in and keep the train running smoothly.

It was DOOMED from the beginning.

Now, that being said, O&A will ALWAYS have a JOB. Without question. They have ENOUGH listeners in the NYC area(maybe the tri-state area, but they were just dumped in Philly) to be profitable for CBS. Maybe even ENOURMOUSLY profitable.

My God, NYC is the #1 radio market in the country, and they could be at the head of it.

And maybe after 10-15 years of continous hard work, and excellent ratings books, they will begin to sought after again by syndication.

But it is something they have to build themselves, and not just take Daddy's car(Howard Stern's syndicated radio juggernaught) and drive around like THEY bought it.

The CBS exec's and them screwed up big time. The lush days of tons of ad money is now over, and will never be recouped.

Times are changing.

O&A need to start from the ground(NYC PERIOD) and build if they ever want(this is there goal, or they would not be doing what they are doing now) the syndicated empire that Howard built for himself over a 20-25 year period.

That is a quarter of a century people. Took Howard a long time to build up to national recognition. Then he expanded into books, movies, tv, and everything else.

That is what O&A want, but don't seem to want to work towards. They appear to want that handed to them at this stage of their career. Not going to happen.

They must build it on their own. It may be too late for them to be THAT BIG.

They may just have to settle to being a top listened to radio staion in NYC, which is not too shabby.

Even though I try to avoid these things, here is the bottom line:

O&A were handed the keys to the Rolls Royce, and it WON'T START. But this IS NOT THERE FAULT. I will explain why.

A Nationally Syndicated Talk Show Network GENERATED/CREATED by STERN over the period of 20-25 years. Not overnight. Not just HANDED to him. But over a period of 25 years to "build" his current empire.

READ THAT PREVIOUS SENTENCE AGAIN, FOR THOSE WHO ARE SLOWWW!!!

Howard was never handed anything. He helped build his own syndicated radio show, but it did not happen overnight. It took years to do it. At least 15 years before Howard TRULY became National.

Now I was born and raised in NJ, so I have known about Howard for a long time. But even I wasn't there in the beginning. I used to listen to him somewhat as a kid when he was on NBC in the afternoons(I used to like the fart noises and dirty jokes as I did my homework. Always kept the sound down because if the parents ever found out I was listening to him, would have gotten in serious trouble), but I really don't recall any of the programs.

Anyway, then I began my listening of stations like Z100 and 95.5 WPLJ. People that live in NYC or the burbs know these stations(at least when I was listening to them in the mid to late 80's/90's are geared towards what would be called the Tween generation. Pop music, some clean dirty jokes, a Jewish Mother Sweater Alert type of Weather report, and maybe some funny phony phone calls. Nothing too outrageous, but hilarious to stupid kids who like the current pop music(Maddona, Whitesnake, Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen, Wham, Duran Duran, Cindy Lauper, Quiet Riot, Hall and Oates, all the 80's Cheese, etc...) on the way to school on the bus in the morning. The bus drivers typically had these radio stations tuned in, if you were lucky to have a "cool" bus driver who had a radio installed into the school bus. Most didn't, but some did.

I didn't "rediscover" Howard until late in my Junior year of High School(1990). Began to get a ride in the morning with friends who had a driver's license, and we would listen on the way in. I was hooked back in, and have been listening ever since.

But even then(1990) Howard was by no means, NATIONAL. Not even close. People in the Tri-state area knew who he was, but go west of Philadelphia(even to north near Scranton/Wilkes Barre didn't know who the hell he was) and most people would say, "Who?"

Even his channel 9 show was mainly seen by those of us lucky enough to live in NJ/NY/Conneticut/maybe a little bit of PA because it was broadcast oin Channel 9 out of Secaucus, NJ. Alot of people never saw those shows, or will ever be exposed to them because of legal disputes between Stern and WWOR. They own the tapes, and he does not, and that irks him. They always will unless they develop a brain fart and let them go.

The point is O&A were given the keys to the kingdom, FOR NO GOOD REASON.

The idiotic executives at CBS just thought they could plug them in(after the David Lee Roth debacle), and it will MONEY , MONEY , MONEY again from advertisers, just like Stern.

That is not fair to them(O&A). They are NOT STERN. And if THEY thought they could just come in and take over, then they are fools as well. And there small fan base is really diluting themselves in thinking that.

O&A are not a nationally known product. They just aren't.

This is the main reason why they are being dumped by stations all over the country.

They NEVER did anything to help CREATE that success.

They did nothing to create those syndicated markets.

They(O&A and the executives at CBS) just thought they could step in and keep the train running smoothly.

It was DOOMED from the beginning.

Now, that being said, O&A will ALWAYS have a JOB. Without question. They have ENOUGH listeners in the NYC area(maybe the tri-state area, but they were just dumped in Philly) to be profitable for CBS. Maybe even ENOURMOUSLY profitable.

My God, NYC is the #1 radio market in the country, and they could be at the head of it.

And maybe after 10-15 years of continous hard work, and excellent ratings books, they will begin to sought after again by syndication.

But it is something they have to build themselves, and not just take Daddy's car(Howard Stern's syndicated radio juggernaught) and drive around like THEY bought it.

The CBS exec's and them screwed up big time. The lush days of tons of ad money is now over, and will never be recouped.

Times are changing.

O&A need to start from the ground(NYC PERIOD) and build if they ever want(this is there goal, or they would not be doing what they are doing now) the syndicated empire that Howard built for himself over a 20-25 year period.

That is a quarter of a century people. Took Howard a long time to build up to national recognition. Then he expanded into books, movies, tv, and everything else.

That is what O&A want, but don't seem to want to work towards. They appear to want that handed to them at this stage of their career. Not going to happen.

They must build it on their own. It may be too late for them to be THAT BIG.

They may just have to settle to being a top listened to radio staion in NYC, which is not too shabby.


BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO!!!

That sums it up better then iv ever read!-

Fantastic Steel, fantastic!

those numbers are not going to change next book period.


So will you to post "O & A are my daddy" if you are wrong.

So will you to post "O & A are my daddy" if you are wrong.


the PPM's for October just came out-


In K-Rock's target of 18-34 In morning drive, O&A dropped from 3.9 to 3.2 (8th to 12th).

the PPM's for October just came out-


In K-Rock's target of 18-34 In morning drive, O&A dropped from 3.9 to 3.2 (8th to 12th).

This thread is about the arbitron SAT ratings.

Nice try though. Howie would be proud of you.

the PPM's for October just came out-


In K-Rock's target of 18-34 In morning drive, O&A dropped from 3.9 to 3.2 (8th to 12th).

I really don't understand O&A fans. They want to squeeze water from a rock. Time and time again they constantly have excuses about their dismal performance. Merc just posted another ratings flop! And I assume they weren't suspended, vacation, and whatever stupid reason O&A fans CLAIM the real reason for awful ratings.

These O&A fans are dillusional. They want to comfort themselves of something that's not there! What more proof do you people want?

This thread is about the arbitron SAT ratings.

Nice try though. Howie would be proud of you.

What difference does it make? The point is that either sat or reg radio, they're ratings SUCK!

Funny that O&A are so bad yet Howie fans dedicate approximately 40 out of the 73 posts in this thread to bashing them. You'd think that they were so insignificant that they would not be worthy of comparrison.;)

Funny that O&A are so bad yet Howie fans dedicate approximately 40 out of the 73 posts in this thread to bashing them. You'd think that they were so insignificant that they would not be worthy of comparrison.;)


Hm why is that! oh ya, because O&A proclaimed that howard was an irrelevant hack. that they will sit in Howards chair and talk to all his listeners. how they can make FreeFM work more gooder. how we could adapt while Stern could not!!!!. and on and on and on......

now we watch them fail over and over and over-

41.......next

41.......next



42....

Hows that FM show treating you Pat.

still think it sucks?

41.......next

C'mon Pat, I expect better than that.;)

Vitod

I know it's not quite as high brow as:
they're ratings SUCK!

Pat you seem to be avoiding my question.

Pat you seem to be avoiding my question.

Merc, I was trusting you to keep track of the count yourself, now I have to.:)
43......Next

Merc, I was trusting you to keep track of the count yourself, now I have to.:)
43......Next


Things must be pretty bad on FM.....

oh well, the'll be FREE by April 08.

Things must be pretty bad on FM.....

oh well, the'll be FREE by April 08.

Hope they're not FREE, I hope to still have to pay to hear 3-4 hours of their daily show.

Hope they're not FREE, I hope to still have to pay to hear 3-4 hours of their daily show.


I love how you cant be a man and admit the FM portion of the O&A show sucks.

I love how you cant be a man and admit the FM portion of the O&A show sucks.

C'mon Merc, I expect better from you, I've given my honest opinion of the FM show a few times before, I do not pretend that it is something that it is not. No need to rehash that in a thread about Sat arbitron ratings.
45.....next

Where,?

can you post it please.

Read post #16.

apology accepted. ;)

Stern clocks in as the number one listened to Satstation on either service.
over 1.2 million-

Interesting. That really is a big drop from his terrestrial radio days. No wonder Sirius wants a merger/acquisition of XM -- ending the competition will help to spread out the cost of Stern over more subscribers (and get those mostly paid off satellites).

Personally, I think that the winning Sat Radio format was to stick to music, weather, traffic and comedy (and the cheapo talk shows). The price war over talent and sports I feel has been an expensive diversion.

Imus gets advertisers for one reason -- he's the favorite DJ of the blowhards of the US Senate from both sides of the aisle. He lets them go on the air and feel cool AND important. It lets them feel that they're still in touch with the people (without actually mingling with the less fortunate). So Imus advertising is really just another form of political lobbying.

It's similar to the PGA getting lots of expensive ads from powerful companies in the low rating years between Nicklaus and Woods. Many of the ads were aimed at the CEO's for whom golf was the one TV show they watched.

Thus, an Imus advertiser is paying all that cash to send a message to a few Senators (or their staffers).

Even though I try to avoid these things, here is the bottom line:

O&A were handed the keys to the Rolls Royce, and it WON'T START. But this IS NOT THERE FAULT. I will explain why.

A Nationally Syndicated Talk Show Network GENERATED/CREATED by STERN over the period of 20-25 years. Not overnight. Not just HANDED to him. But over a period of 25 years to "build" his current empire.

READ THAT PREVIOUS SENTENCE AGAIN, FOR THOSE WHO ARE SLOWWW!!!

Howard was never handed anything. He helped build his own syndicated radio show, but it did not happen overnight. It took years to do it. At least 15 years before Howard TRULY became National.

Now I was born and raised in NJ, so I have known about Howard for a long time. But even I wasn't there in the beginning. I used to listen to him somewhat as a kid when he was on NBC in the afternoons(I used to like the fart noises and dirty jokes as I did my homework. Always kept the sound down because if the parents ever found out I was listening to him, would have gotten in serious trouble), but I really don't recall any of the programs.

Anyway, then I began my listening of stations like Z100 and 95.5 WPLJ. People that live in NYC or the burbs know these stations(at least when I was listening to them in the mid to late 80's/90's are geared towards what would be called the Tween generation. Pop music, some clean dirty jokes, a Jewish Mother Sweater Alert type of Weather report, and maybe some funny phony phone calls. Nothing too outrageous, but hilarious to stupid kids who like the current pop music(Maddona, Whitesnake, Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen, Wham, Duran Duran, Cindy Lauper, Quiet Riot, Hall and Oates, all the 80's Cheese, etc...) on the way to school on the bus in the morning. The bus drivers typically had these radio stations tuned in, if you were lucky to have a "cool" bus driver who had a radio installed into the school bus. Most didn't, but some did.

I didn't "rediscover" Howard until late in my Junior year of High School(1990). Began to get a ride in the morning with friends who had a driver's license, and we would listen on the way in. I was hooked back in, and have been listening ever since.

But even then(1990) Howard was by no means, NATIONAL. Not even close. People in the Tri-state area knew who he was, but go west of Philadelphia(even to north near Scranton/Wilkes Barre didn't know who the hell he was) and most people would say, "Who?"

Even his channel 9 show was mainly seen by those of us lucky enough to live in NJ/NY/Conneticut/maybe a little bit of PA because it was broadcast oin Channel 9 out of Secaucus, NJ. Alot of people never saw those shows, or will ever be exposed to them because of legal disputes between Stern and WWOR. They own the tapes, and he does not, and that irks him. They always will unless they develop a brain fart and let them go.

The point is O&A were given the keys to the kingdom, FOR NO GOOD REASON.

The idiotic executives at CBS just thought they could plug them in(after the David Lee Roth debacle), and it will MONEY , MONEY , MONEY again from advertisers, just like Stern.

That is not fair to them(O&A). They are NOT STERN. And if THEY thought they could just come in and take over, then they are fools as well. And there small fan base is really diluting themselves in thinking that.

O&A are not a nationally known product. They just aren't.

This is the main reason why they are being dumped by stations all over the country.

They NEVER did anything to help CREATE that success.

They did nothing to create those syndicated markets.

They(O&A and the executives at CBS) just thought they could step in and keep the train running smoothly.

It was DOOMED from the beginning.

Now, that being said, O&A will ALWAYS have a JOB. Without question. They have ENOUGH listeners in the NYC area(maybe the tri-state area, but they were just dumped in Philly) to be profitable for CBS. Maybe even ENOURMOUSLY profitable.

My God, NYC is the #1 radio market in the country, and they could be at the head of it.

And maybe after 10-15 years of continous hard work, and excellent ratings books, they will begin to sought after again by syndication.

But it is something they have to build themselves, and not just take Daddy's car(Howard Stern's syndicated radio juggernaught) and drive around like THEY bought it.

The CBS exec's and them screwed up big time. The lush days of tons of ad money is now over, and will never be recouped.

Times are changing.

O&A need to start from the ground(NYC PERIOD) and build if they ever want(this is there goal, or they would not be doing what they are doing now) the syndicated empire that Howard built for himself over a 20-25 year period.

That is a quarter of a century people. Took Howard a long time to build up to national recognition. Then he expanded into books, movies, tv, and everything else.

That is what O&A want, but don't seem to want to work towards. They appear to want that handed to them at this stage of their career. Not going to happen.

They must build it on their own. It may be too late for them to be THAT BIG.

They may just have to settle to being a top listened to radio staion in NYC, which is not too shabby.


you could'nt be more on point...well done

Wow, so does this mean Sirius is paying $416 for every Stern listener? Great business decision.Actually, even if that were the only revenue Howard's channels generate, it would still be a sound business decision, because that is still nowhere near what the subscription costs are for the length of time folks typically subscribe.

But the benefits of signing HS are much greater than his cost divided by the number of listeners to his show. There are a great deal of highly-paid advertisements on those two channels, for one thing. The other thing is that noboby even knew what Sirius was in 2004, and now their brand recognition is exceptionally high, specifically because of signing HS. You can't buy that kind of promotion any other way.

Sirius would probably be out of business by now without signing him, and not only has it made Sirius competitive with XM, Sirius became the dominant (aquiring) party as regards the merger. Sirius subscriptions gained at a rate roughly 7 times that of XM from the time HS announced in 2004 to the time he finally went on the air in 2005, which carried over until, well, right now. Sirius figured 1 million subs in the first year of Howard would make it a good business decision, but they got that first million before he ever uttered a word on satellite. He basically saved the company, and possibly the industry. CBS radio has had revenues decline 12% since Howard left, and the entire company of CBS is down 2.9%, specifically due to losses in the radio division. CBS losing 2.9% of its business is a lot less than it would have cost them to match Howard's deal at Sirius.

Signing Howard was just one more notch on Mel Karmazin's belt, and torpedoed Hugh Panero's career. Love him or hate him, Howard is a phenomenon without peer. No one else ever came close to having 82 #1 ratings books in a row, or ever will, which is equivalent to DiMaggio hitting safely in 56 games straight. Signing Howard may have been one of the smartest business decisions ever made by a struggling corporation.

Actually, even if that were the only revenue Howard's channels generate, it would still be a sound business decision, because that is still nowhere near what the subscription costs are for the length of time folks typically subscribe.

But the benefits of signing HS are much greater than his cost divided by the number of listeners to his show. There are a great deal of highly-paid advertisements on those two channels, for one thing. The other thing is that noboby even knew what Sirius was in 2004, and now their brand recognition is exceptionally high, specifically because of signing HS. You can't buy that kind of promotion any other way.

Sirius would probably be out of business by now without signing him, and not only has it made Sirius competitive with XM, Sirius became the dominant (aquiring) party as regards the merger. Sirius subscriptions gained at a rate roughly 7 times that of XM from the time HS announced in 2004 to the time he finally went on the air in 2005, which carried over until, well, right now. Sirius figured 1 million subs in the first year of Howard would make it a good business decision, but they got that first million before he ever uttered a word on satellite. He basically saved the company, and possibly the industry. CBS radio has had revenues decline 12% since Howard left, and the entire company of CBS is down 2.9%, specifically due to losses in the radio division. CBS losing 2.9% of its business is a lot less than it would have cost them to match Howard's deal at Sirius.

Signing Howard was just one more notch on Mel Karmazin's belt, and torpedoed Hugh Panero's career. Love him or hate him, Howard is a phenomenon without peer. No one else ever came close to having 82 #1 ratings books in a row, or ever will, which is equivalent to DiMaggio hitting safely in 56 games straight. Signing Howard may have been one of the smartest business decisions ever made by a struggling corporation.


Stern signed before Mel came aboard....


one could also argue, signing stern to SatRadio was one of the main factors that destroying FM radio!

...Signing Howard may have been one of the smartest business decisions ever made by a struggling corporation.

Yep, you summed it up perfectly. It is so easy to claim that paying Stern half a billion dollars is insane. But even if you use the most conservative estimates in the number of subscribers he has brought to Sirius, and the amount each subscriber brings in, the contract has already paid for itself and then some. This does not count the intangiables of having "the king" on their team.

Both XM and Sirius are still bleeding red but it has nothing to do with how much they are paying for talent.

He brought relevance to the satellite medium. The jury is still out on whether or not it will survive in the long-term, but at a minimum, Stern gave the entire industry a much longer leash.

Both XM and Sirius are still bleeding red but it has nothing to do with how much they are paying for talent.


You my friend are delusional.

You my friend are delusional.


not if he was referring to stern.... Stern out of all the high priced talent might have been the only one worth it.

The big O, martha and depending on what O&A bubba and ferrel make have probably done nothing for Satradio.

not if he was referring to stern.... Stern out of all the high priced talent might have been the only one worth it.

The big O, martha and depending on what O&A bubba and ferrel make have probably done nothing for Satradio.

You could not be more wrong.

Stern is KILLING Sirius. Part of the reason they *NEED* to merge with XM.

O&A make a KILLING for XM. The income they make for XM is REDICULOUS. They are FAR more profitable than Stern, so much so it's not even funny.

Go take an actual look at the numbers...

You could not be more wrong.

Stern is KILLING Sirius. Part of the reason they *NEED* to merge with XM.




Sirius is trying to "BUY" xm......

understand that and how first!

then you can apply any type of spin you want to.

Sirius is trying to "BUY" xm......

understand that and how first!

then you can apply any type of spin you want to. Really?

WASHINGTON and NEW YORK, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- XM Satellite Radio (Nasdaq: XMSR - News) and SIRIUS Satellite Radio (Nasdaq: SIRI - News) today announced that they have entered into a definitive agreement, under which the companies will be combined in a tax-free, all-stock merger of equals with a combined enterprise value of approximately $13 billion, which includes net debt of approximately $1.6 billion.

Under the terms of the agreement, XM shareholders will receive a fixed exchange ratio of 4.6 shares of SIRIUS common stock for each share of XM they own. XM and SIRIUS shareholders will each own approximately 50 percent of the combined company.

Mel Karmazin, currently Chief Executive Officer of SIRIUS, will become Chief Executive Officer of the combined company and Gary Parsons, currently Chairman of XM, will become Chairman of the combined company. The new company's board of directors will consist of 12 directors, including Messrs. Karmazin and Parsons, four independent members designated by each company, as well as one representative from each of General Motors and American Honda. Hugh Panero, the Chief Executive Officer of XM, will continue in his current role until the anticipated close of the merger.

The combined company will benefit from a highly experienced management team from both companies with extensive industry knowledge in radio, media, consumer electronics, OEM engineering and technology. Further management appointments will be announced prior to closing. The companies will continue to operate independently until the transaction is completed and will work together to determine the combined company's corporate name and headquarters location prior to closing.

The combination creates a nationwide audio entertainment provider with combined 2006 revenues of approximately $1.5 billion based on analysts' consensus estimates. Today the companies have approximately 14 million combined subscribers. Together, SIRIUS and XM will create a stronger platform for future innovation within the audio entertainment industry and will provide significant benefits to all constituencies, including:

Ya Really-

NEW YORK (AP) -- Shareholders of Sirius Satellite Radio on Tuesday approved the company's acquisition of rival XM.

CHICAGO (MarketWatch) -- Shareholders of Sirius Satellite Radio and XM Satellite Radio voted Tuesday to approve Sirius' proposed $13.6 billion acquisition of XM.



XM shareholders approve Sirius merger
Tuesday November 13, 3:47 pm ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc (NasdaqGS:XMSR - News) said on Tuesday its shareholders voted to approve a merger with rival Sirius Satellite Radio Inc (NasdaqGS:SIRI - News).
The vote by shareholders of XM, home to programming such as Oprah Winfrey and Major League Baseball, came after Sirius shareholders agreed earlier on Tuesday to issue more stock to help pay for the deal.
The companies expect the deal, which has been challenged by terrestrial radio broadcasters as anti-competitive, to be completed this year. It must win approval from the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Communications Commission.

(Reporting by Diane Bartz and Franklin Paul, editing by Leslie Gevirtz)





Acquisition
Main article: Takeover
An acquisition, also known as a takeover, is the buying of one company (the ‘target’) by another. An acquisition may be friendly or hostile. In the former case, the companies cooperate in negotiations; in the latter case, the takeover target is unwilling to be bought or the target's board has no prior knowledge of the offer. Acquisition usually refers to a purchase of a smaller firm by a larger one. Sometimes, however, a smaller firm will acquire management control of a larger or longer established company and keep its name for the combined entity. This is known as a reverse takeover.

My quote was a press release from the Sirius shareholder relations website, funny that they call it a merger. But one of your quotes say (AP) so it HAS to be true.:rolleyes:

Hey mercury, check your pm!

Hey mercury, check your pm!


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