HD DVD (http://www.hddvdstats.com/)
Blu-ray (http://www.blu-raystats.com/index.php)

I didnt think the competition would be so close

Both sites are owned by the same person (member here) and the results are skewed in favor or Blu-ray. Notice plenty of missing titles on the HD DVD page and plenty of padded titles such as including Paramount titles as if Paramount still supports Blu-ray

Based on the coming titles (till year end or early Jan) for each format, BD CLEARLY blows away those few exclusive on HD-DVD. The title support for BD is just amazing...

Based on the coming titles (till year end or early Jan) for each format, BD CLEARLY blows away those few exclusive on HD-DVD. The title support for BD is just amazing...

Yes, but late next year looks more like HDDVD will have the edge.

Yes, but late next year looks more like HDDVD will have the edge.

Late next year may be just too late. Why would they (HD-DVD) sit back and allow the competition take a huge lead and potentially a fatal one? BD players will be dirt cheap by mid of next year and this will definitely continue to hurt the already suffering install base for HD-DVD.

Late next year may be just too late. Why would they (HD-DVD) sit back and allow the competition take a huge lead and potentially a fatal one? BD players will be dirt cheap by mid of next year and this will definitely continue to hurt the already suffering install base for HD-DVD.

What page of the BDA handbook is that from?

Based on the coming titles (till year end or early Jan) for each format, BD CLEARLY blows away those few exclusive on HD-DVD. The title support for BD is just amazing...

Considering that there are currently more titles released and available on HD DVD then Blu-ray. Plus no region coding and the abililty to purchased Blu-ray exclusive titles as imports, plus stronger support for adult titles plus 1,000 independent film titles soon expected for exclusive support on HD DVD I find the above state not likely

Late next year may be just too late. Why would they (HD-DVD) sit back and allow the competition take a huge lead and potentially a fatal one? BD players will be dirt cheap by mid of next year and this will definitely continue to hurt the already suffering install base for HD-DVD.

What player profiles will these cheap blu-ray players be?

Considering that there are currently more titles released and available on HD DVD then Blu-ray. Plus no region coding and the abililty to purchased Blu-ray exclusive titles as imports, plus stronger support for adult titles plus 1,000 independent film titles soon expected for exclusive support on HD DVD I find the above state not likely

And how many consumers are actually importing hd movies? Be they hd-dvd or blu ray? You're talking about a pubic hair on the right nut of a gnat in the grand scheme of things.

(Although, personally, I will most likely be importing Iron Man on BD next year if Marvel doesn't decide to release it on both formats.)

What player profiles will these cheap blu-ray players be?

Well, since every player manufactured after the end of this month has to be 1.1 at least, I would assume the ones manufactured after that date would be 1.1 and the ones manufactured before that date wouldn't be.

Late next year may be just too late. Why would they (HD-DVD) sit back and allow the competition take a huge lead and potentially a fatal one? BD players will be dirt cheap by mid of next year and this will definitely continue to hurt the already suffering install base for HD-DVD.

Because by the time Bluray is actually ready for mainstream and the greater population is ready to buy into HDM, they will have bankrupted themselves with their subsidies, give aways, incentives, profile issues, and marketing smear campaigns.

Then HD-DVD sneaks into the back door and says "Oh. We have a market ready finished product."

Haha, if you list by IMDB rating the Kubrick movies added a lot of top movies.

Because by the time Bluray is actually ready for mainstream and the greater population is ready to buy into HDM, they will have bankrupted themselves with their subsidies, give aways, incentives, profile issues, and marketing smear campaigns.

Then HD-DVD sneaks into the back door and says "Oh. We have a market ready finished product."

...That they have to give away by the boatload in order to sell their players. What's bogo in relation to "buy 0 get 7 free"?

Because by the time Bluray is actually ready for mainstream and the greater population is ready to buy into HDM, they will have bankrupted themselves with their subsidies, give aways, incentives, profile issues, and marketing smear campaigns.

Then HD-DVD sneaks into the back door and says "Oh. We have a market ready finished product."

Are you kidding? Toshiba subsidizes their products heavily! They give away a ton like Heroes with xbox add-on, or more free movies, or free players with tv, etc. Profile 1.1 isn't ready, but hddvd isn't perfect either, especially if they ever start using them 51gb triple layer discs. Updates are not a big deal just look at one of the most popular products in the world: XP and Vista. And smear campaigns? HDdvd supporters are king of smear. Trying to hide the Paramount pay-off. Making statistics look good in their favor, like the recent 190k shipped (not actually sold) Transformers. And other FUD that hddvd fanboys make up.

Both sites are owned by the same person (member here) and the results are skewed in favor or Blu-ray. Notice plenty of missing titles on the HD DVD page and plenty of padded titles such as including Paramount titles as if Paramount still supports Blu-ray

You should feel free to make a list of the missing titles.

Also, the Paramount titles didn't all just disappear - they still exist and the information on them is still of interest.

I look forward to the list of missing HD DVDs - I want the list to be as complete as possible.

You can post the list here, PM it to me or send it via email to the corrections email in the FAQ.

Thanks for your input.

You should feel free to make a list of the missing titles.

Also, the Paramount titles didn't all just disappear - they still exist and the information on them is still of interest.

I look forward to the list of missing HD DVDs - I want the list to be as complete as possible.

You can post the list here, PM it to me or send it via email to the corrections email in the FAQ.

Thanks for your input.

My list is right there in my sig link in an excel spreadsheet. I currently show that there are 356 titles available for purchase compared to the 339 this site states.

Although mistakes are expected and understandable. Certainly I would not say my list was perfect either but I do make corrections when anyone points out something that may be in error. I beleive even you may have pointed out some of these items in the past.

I have already submitted an itemized list of the missing titles in the past including a link where each of these titles were available for purchase. Since no corrections were made I can not further assume it is a simple mistake to be missing these titles.

As to the Paramount titles, altough I may understand your point of view on this I would have to disagree. This is a complete statistical listing meant for comparing one format against the other. Including dozens of titles by a studio that doesnt even support Blu-ray falsely implies more studio support then there really is.

Also the site does not list all titles released and it excludes titles that were released in the past and no longer supported when it happens to favor Blu-ray.

As an example, The original fifth element is no longer listed. Its original release would negatively effect the overall statistics. Since this version is no longer supported (just like BR Paramount titles are no longer supported) it was removed and replaced by a newer version with its better statistics.

The original version of these titles didnt all just disappear, they still exist and the information on them is still of interest.

And how many consumers are actually importing hd movies? Be they hd-dvd or blu ray? You're talking about a pubic hair on the right nut of a gnat in the grand scheme of things.

(Although, personally, I will most likely be importing Iron Man on BD next year if Marvel doesn't decide to release it on both formats.)

Do you have any statistics to show this support is so low? I have not read anything but articles announcing that these titles are available for purchase.

Ordering imported titles online is as easy as ordering any domestic title.

Well, since every player manufactured after the end of this month has to be 1.1 at least, I would assume the ones manufactured after that date would be 1.1 and the ones manufactured before that date wouldn't be.

This is incorrect. Profile 1.0 players will continue to be made and sold next month and in the future. Only new players being announced after this point must be profile 1.1 (still not even 2.0).

Are you kidding? Toshiba subsidizes their products heavily! They give away a ton like Heroes with xbox add-on, or more free movies, or free players with tv, etc. Profile 1.1 isn't ready, but hddvd isn't perfect either, especially if they ever start using them 51gb triple layer discs. Updates are not a big deal just look at one of the most popular products in the world: XP and Vista. And smear campaigns? HDdvd supporters are king of smear. Trying to hide the Paramount pay-off. Making statistics look good in their favor, like the recent 190k shipped (not actually sold) Transformers. And other FUD that hddvd fanboys make up.


Please provide a link that says there is something wrong with the TL51. Make sure you quote either Toshiba or Memory Tech.

Please provide a link that shows ALL the sales of Transformers . . . including data from Wal-Mart.

I would really like to see those links . . . please;)

As to the Paramount titles, altough I may understand your point of view on this I would have to disagree. This is a complete statistical listing meant for comparing one format against the other. Including dozens of titles by a studio that doesnt even support Blu-ray falsely implies more studio support then there really is.

I disagree - these discs are still in the wild (I own several myself, yeah?) and in my opinion the site is more about seeing what discs are dual-layered, lossless audio, codec used, etc... not about how many titles are out on each, as is the major point of grievance here.

As an example, The original fifth element is no longer listed. Its original release would negatively effect the overall statistics. Since this version is no longer supported (just like BR Paramount titles are no longer supported) it was removed and replaced by a newer version with its better statistics.

To this I would say the answer is to have both Fifth Element movies present on the list, going in the spirit of my above statement, rather than removing the Paramount titles. The site is informational... why would you ever remove information?

I disagree - these discs are still in the wild (I own several myself, yeah?) and in my opinion the site is more about seeing what discs are dual-layered, lossless audio, codec used, etc... not about how many titles are out on each, as is the major point of grievance here.

To this I would say the answer is to have both Fifth Element movies present on the list, going in the spirit of my above statement, rather than removing the Paramount titles. The site is informational... why would you ever remove information?

I think you get my point that it should be consistent one way or the other but the inconsistency skews the results and shows favortism

My list is right there in my sig link in an excel spreadsheet.

I'll take a look and fix things as needed. Thanks.

As to the Paramount titles, altough I may understand your point of view on this I would have to disagree.

That does not surprise me much.

I have planned to filter based on availability but not got to that yet. There are also discontinued HD DVDs but they are still in the list too (though granted there are not as many).


As an example, The original fifth element is no longer listed. Its original release would negatively effect the overall statistics. Since this version is no longer supported (just like BR Paramount titles are no longer supported) it was removed and replaced by a newer version with its better statistics.

The original version of these titles didnt all just disappear, they still exist and the information on them is still of interest.

That is a good point. At the time it seemed like the easiest thing to do and in hindsight I think it was not the right thing to do.

We have this situation again (for both formats) with Full Metal Jacket. I am inclined to add Fifth Element (original) back in for completeness.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Just to follow up and to keep things intellectually honest.

The following are not in my list:

Bikini Destinations: Hawaii
Bikini Destinations: Lake Tahoe
Bikini Destinations: Mexico
Harlem Globetrotters - A Gift for the Troops
World Ext. Cagefighting: Halloween Fury 1
World Extreme Cagefighting: Unfinished Bus 2
Battle of the Guides, Steelhead Fishing
HD Window - Hawaii
Stained Glass Christmas With Heavenly Carols
Uncommon Bach
Dreaming Arizona

The following are ones I replaced with the re-issue new versions (like 5th Element):

Unleashed Combo
Army of Darkness Combo

The following are incorrectly listed as released in your list:

Jack Ryan Collection (delayed)
Mobsters (2008 not 2007)
White Noise (2008 not 2007)

I will look into the missing titles and see what I can find. I am sure some at least are/were available and will be added.

Can anyone help with the current status of Accepted and U2 Rattle and Hum? It seems to me that these have been discontinued.

Thanks.

What page of the BDA handbook is that from?

Was wondering the same, marketing propaganda 101.

This is incorrect. Profile 1.0 players will continue to be made and sold next month and in the future. Only new players being announced after this point must be profile 1.1 (still not even 2.0).

Okay... let me be more specific then. Players models that are being newly manufactured, that is models which were not being manufactured before but will be as of the end of this month, will be 1.1 at least. Does that clear things up? I thought I was clear with my statement but I guess not

Do you have any statistics to show this support is so low? I have not read anything but articles announcing that these titles are available for purchase.

Ordering imported titles online is as easy as ordering any domestic title.

And usually twice as expensive. I don't have any statistics, but if you think that importing movies is a widespread practice, I'd be willing to wager any amount of money against you and do the study myself.



(as an aside, I understand the requests for links with all the misinformation out there but at this point it's gotten to the point where any time any poster sees something, even if it should be pure logic, the automatic response is "do you have a link?" For example someone posted that the numbers given by paramount for Transformers were for the units shipped to stores, not the units sold. How in the blue blazes should that require him to post a link to the total sales of Transformers for everyone including Walmart??? His statement sited nothing but the information given directly by Paramount, who tried to sound more impressive by using a figure that doesn't really matter in the least. He doesn't refer to the actual sales at all in his post.)

...That they have to give away by the boatload in order to sell their players. What's bogo in relation to "buy 0 get 7 free"?


comparable to the panasonic player = ten free with purchase of player (5 in box + 5 from BDA) or

Buy 0 get 5 free for purchase of any BD player

or buy a PS3 and get 1 + 5 from BDA


So what was your point here? Both sides are doing this freebie thing!

I have not found evidence of the existence of the following titles at High Def Digest or Amazon.

If someone can confirm that they were released they can be added but without further evidence I do not want to add them to the database.

Bikini Destinations: Hawaii
Bikini Destinations: Lake Tahoe
Bikini Destinations: Mexico
Harlem Globetrotters - A Gift for the Troops
World Ext. Cagefighting: Halloween Fury 1
World Extreme Cagefighting: Unfinished Bus 2
Battle of the Guides, Steelhead Fishing

The database is up to 342 titles. Two further titles can be accounted for with the original combo titles for Army of Darkness and Unleashed, now discontinued, which I will address when I get the discontinued tag sorted out.

Thanks to Tom for his input.

comparable to the panasonic player = ten free with purchase of player (5 in box + 5 from BDA) or

Buy 0 get 5 free for purchase of any BD player

or buy a PS3 and get 1 + 5 from BDA


So what was your point here? Both sides are doing this freebie thing!

My point was to show that both sides are giving away a lot of reduced price and free product. Thank you for helping.

Apparently the HD Net titles are for sale on their site.

Does anyone know if these are pressed or HD DVD-R?

HDNet has a lot of Blu-ray BD-R titles.

For now I prefer to avoid that segment...

Thoughts?