So after many months of painful construction, my new place is almost done.

Size for living room 13x19 x 9 feet high where Sub / tv system will be. Then it opens to the kitchen area a bit.

I am still shopping, I am open to a small sub due to WAF. I can get a decent deal on the seismic 10( if i nag my dealer ) hehe which would put all subs in the $ame range
as for mains, I have started the process. I demoed the Paradigm Millenia 200, Mythos four, both are similar, with the nod going to def. however the mil 200 looks better:)

Now my prob is which sub. All of the ones listed ( Paradigm Seismic 10, SVS SB12-Plus or Def tech Supercube II ) have similar size which is cool.

I don't know much about the SVS SB12 , nor can I demo it locally , however I do see the love for SVS products in these forums. As for their other subs, their sizes scare me hehehe:p

my question, which would provide that clean deep punch in my guts / rattle free bass.

Receiver i have my eyes on Pioneer's latest 1080p monsters or Onkyo's latest.

Any help would be deeply ( no pun intended ) appreciated. :p

All three subs are definitely good subs, but in a room that size I don't think one of them can "provide that clean deep punch in the gut" you're looking for. Since they're so small, perhaps the wife would let you get two of them? I'd think 2 of any of the models you listed would work well for you, not to mention the benefit you'd get of getting a flatter response from having more than one subwoofer.

BTW, I can attest to the quality of SVS. I have a PB10-NSD (just replaced an Infinity PS212) in my small bedroom (11 x 10 x 8) and I definitely get the "punch in the gut" feeling. Though the PB10-NSD is a much larger enclosure than the SB12 Plus. And my room is quite a bit smaller than yours. I think two SB12 Plus's would be a good move if space is an issue for you. And if you're interested in SVS, give them a call, or e-mail them. They're always very helpful and will give you advice as to what products may or may not suit your needs.

I'm not saying to necessarily go SVS. All of those subwoofers have excellent reputations. I just know from personal experience that SVS makes quality products and has superb service as well. Good luck.

I think those subs are very comparable in performance. I still like the SB12 more because you have the extra controls to help you equalize the sound in your room. My SB12 works well as a HT sub, but in an open room, it really starts to taper smoothly off below 25Hz. The SCII or Seismic would be comparable, but neither will do much justice to a 20Hz signal where some of the fun is.

But honestly, you should consider some of the bigger subs. A Hsu VTF2 Or Outlaw LFM1 would be more suitable if your room is an open room. It's not quite as wide and deep as the bigger SVS. That would indeed provide more of the ooomph you are looking for but still sound tight.

i agree try to upscale the sub you will be happy longer without the need to upgrade
nagging at you

Thanks so much guys, I knew I could count on you. :)

Would the PB12-Plus make a better choice. granted it's. much bigger.

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-plus1.cfm

price is same as smaller 12, Sounds like you guys really love the SVS subs. :)

The PB12 will no doubt play deeper than any of the other subs you mentioned. If you can handle the size, it's a good choice especially at it's sale price.

Thanks Mojomike

I've done a direct comparison between the Seismic 12 and the F113, and to be quite honest, there wasn't much difference between the two. Granted, both were probably not optimally placed or calibrated, I can say that I turned the gain to max for both subs and played some pretty bass heavy hip-hop music. The Seismic 12 kept up with the F113 pretty well, though I think perhaps this speaks more of the less than stellar F113 performance (in this setup). If I had to purchase one of those subs then and there, I would have got the Seismic 12 simply due to the cost savings and similar performance. Though, the best way to determine a sub's performance will be in your own space at home, not in a demo room.

wow this says about the seismic series. I will prob have to go with a small sub. no space in the place where they will be.

Since I cant listen to the SVS SB12 in person, I will have to trust you guys that it kicks butt

Hmm, Seismic 12 as good as the F113? Interesting observation.

People on this forum who compared the Paradigm Servo 15 and the F113 still think the F113 is better than the Servo 15 by a noticeable margin, and I know from personal experience that the Servo 15 is a LOT better than the Seismic 12 (I heard those two at the Paradigm dealer). So I would conclude that the F113 is a better sub than the Seismic 12.

Hmm, Seismic 12 as good as the F113? Interesting observation.

People on this forum who compared the Paradigm Servo 15 and the F113 still think the F113 is better than the Servo 15 by a noticeable margin, and I know from personal experience that the Servo 15 is a LOT better than the Seismic 12 (I heard those two at the Paradigm dealer). So I would conclude that the F113 is a better sub than the Seismic 12.

There are factors about that observation that should cause one to question the validity of the comparison.

I've done a direct comparison between the Seismic 12 and the F113, and to be quite honest, there wasn't much difference between the two. Granted, both were probably not optimally placed or calibrated, I can say that I turned the gain to max for both subs and played some pretty bass heavy hip-hop music.

Have you ever evaluated a sub with the gain turned to max? That would be like comparing two receivers with their volume turned to max.

There are factors about that observation that should cause one to question the validity of the comparison.

Agree, I do not think the comparison was valid. I would have conducted the comparison differently