I recently upgraded to a Ruby projector from a Panny AE900U. I had been using an Xbox360 HDDVD player. So i figured i would take the plunge and get something that outputted to 1080p since the Ruby takes 1080P. So I bought a PS3 because it gives me gaming too for the same price as a standalone Bluray player

The result:

HOLY COW! Shangri La! The picture is now stunning and significantly better than my old 720p Panny/HDDVD combo. We watched BluRay Casino Royale and 5th Element and i was totally in heavan (and i am the kind of nerd that cant help but find something wrong with the picture). I am kind of confused about calibrating but basically the sharpness and overall quality is top shelf.

So basically i am just posting about my happiness, and, to pass on my impression that there is a VERY noticeable difference between 720 high def and 1080P high def. And the PS3 is a good way of taking the plunge into Blu Ray. Everyone probably knows this already but there ya go....

Are you using HDMI or component cables to connect your PS3 to the Ruby?

Toshiba and the big Lug-Nut Microsoft are copying the functionally the all-in-one PS3.
While somewhat embarrassing they just might finally be developing a coherent design?
http://www.cepro.com/article/report_microsoft_toshiba_working_on_new_xbox_entertainment_d evice/

Well hopefully more of you 720 guys will step up to the superb level of quality that 1080p can provide.
I gave the PS3 the "Greatest Audio/Video Component of All Time" award over in the Blu-ray players forum several months ago. I would used it even more often except that it transcodes ALL incoming network CD's from 44.1 to 48KHz. This sly anti-copy measure degrades the audio quality. Also PC hard-disk directories can only be four levels deep or the PS3 will not read them.
But the PS3’s 24p picture quality is fantastic as you state.
The new 24p output from HD-DVD players also took a significant step forward in eliminating the unnecessary stages of processing. Until recently the AVC encoder was better visually than VC-1 but now both are quit close at 24p. I plan to do another round of testing at 24p.

The 1080p and 24p 1:1 progressive pixel mapping has always been the way to go. Why has it has taken way to long? Because the industry is, as always, in a state of chaos. Anything that can go wrong - does go wrong. Maybe the new Thx Video standard will help out.

My Xbox HDDVD is the older Component variety. I use the HDMI connection for the PS3. The double whammy improvement of 720 to 1080 resolution along with the step up from the 1500$ Panasonic to the 7000$ Ruby is a big improvement. But of course it should be for that cost difference!

I realize there is a new HDMI Xbox so maybe that will compete more with the PS3 but i am not going to buy another one just for that. But i can do a side by side now with the Xbox vs PS3 and the PS3 menus and texts are sooooo much sharper than the Xboxes. The interface is more spiffy with the PS3 too. I quickly connected to my media server for access to all my music with no issues. The big Ruby is right above my head and is nearly quiet to me and looks great although it is much bigger than the Panny. I think it looks like the spaceship in the opening of Star Wars.

Also, i am now going to use the PS3 to play SD DVDs instead of my Sony DVD upconverting player. My biggest beef is that i have to use the PS3 controller instead of my universal remote. I also love the fairly deep level of settings that are in the PS3 compared to the Xbox.

I am trying to use a HDMI switch to send the signal from the PS3 to both my plasma and the Ruby but i have a problem. The plasma only accepts 1080i. So that stinks because i want to leave the PS3 set at 1080P.

By the way, i have a perfectly good Panasonic AE900U with low hours for sale .......

Your title and posts are a bit confusing. Are you comparing the Xbox HDVD on a 720p projector to the PS3 on a 1080p projector. If so, its no surprise the PS3 at 1080p looks better. Have you changed the resolution on your xbox to 1080i on the Ruby?

You could always consider running the Xbox 360 through your computer connection on the projector. That way you can see a 1080p using the "older" version of the Xbox360. While this is not going to be exactly as good as the set top HD-DVD player, it would be a step up.

Little Jeans, no i have not changed the Xbox to 1080i. I am not sure what it is set at right now. Thats a good idea and i will try it. Yes, i am rambling a bit. Mostly gushing really. Happy camper. There might be people with a Ruby that are not sending it a 1080P signal and that is why i am gushing.

UC7, thats also a good idea. I never fished a DVI cable to the projector unfortunately. I have 1 HDMI cable, 2 component cables, and a VGA cable. I just got a component to VGA adapter and will screw around with that later. I also just got the new HDMI matrix from monoprice and if it works as advertised will solve most of my problems.

windrockwater, I'm a little confused as the Xbox360 HD-DVD player can output 1080p as Microsoft released firmware to download. You just have to go into your settings and make the change from 720p to 1080p and you should be fine. I wasn't sure if you were just making an opinion from your old projector which put out 720p to your new Ruby, because the picture from an xbox360 on a Panny AE900U to a PS3 on a Ruby should be no contest. Try setting the 360 to 1080p and see what you think.

windrockwater, I'm a little confused as the Xbox360 HD-DVD player can output 1080p as Microsoft released firmware to download. You just have to go into your settings and make the change from 720p to 1080p and you should be fine. I wasn't sure if you were just making an opinion from your old projector which put out 720p to your new Ruby, because the picture from an xbox360 on a Panny AE900U to a PS3 on a Ruby should be no contest. Try setting the 360 to 1080p and see what you think.

If he doesn't have an HDMI xbox then he can't watch 1080p since the Ruby won't accept it via component video.

If he doesn't have an HDMI xbox then he can't watch 1080p since the Ruby won't accept it via component video.

AACS does not allow 1080p over component anyways, 1080i is the max you can get with component for HD DVD/Blu-Ray. You can get 1080p over VGA granted the Ruby accepts it.

I have the Xbox 360 Elite with HDDVD running at 1080P/60 and the Sony BDPS301 running at 1080P/24 to an RS-1. I find no diffences between the HD DVD and Blu Ray in the picture.

AACS does not allow 1080p over component anyways, 1080i is the max you can get with component for HD DVD/Blu-Ray. You can get 1080p over VGA granted the Ruby accepts it.

So if you have XBox set to 1080p, how does it output the HD DVD's?

The Xbox 360 has a VGA output option that can connect it to the computer port on the VW60. One just needs to buy the cable.

Can it play HD DVD at 1080p via Component?
No. Max HD DVD resolution for Component is 1080i. Over VGA you can get 1080P. Note that this doesn't mean the 360 cannot do 1080p over component, it can. AACS rules limit the max resolution of a HD DVD over component to 1080i. Your XBox will automatically switch resolution to 1080i if you have it set to 1080p when you play a HD DVD.

Never mind, I just answered my own question at Xbox.com

Truth be told I am not really that concerned about sending it 1080p anyways. As long as your display handles 1080i>1080p properly there is only marginal improvement at best....that is unless it offers 1080/24p....then it would be a must.

My biggest beef is that i have to use the PS3 controller instead of my universal remote.

Just a bit off-topic, but in case you weren't aware, there are ways to make the PS3 work with IR remotes like my Harmony. It's not perfect (a bit of fiddling around, and the PS3 doesn't do power-on via USB), but it means I can leave my PS3 controller away when I'm using it for Bluray or playing trailers. Wade through the thread here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=761809) for the details. I use the Nkyo BluWave, but there appear to be several options.

This thread feels fanboyish for some reason, you're comparing 720p to 1080p it appears..?

I'll throw this in then, if only the PS3 had more than 3 good games...=P It's my bluray player for now.

This thread feels fanboyish for some reason, you're comparing 720p to 1080p it appears..?

I'll throw this in then, if only the PS3 had more than 3 good games...=P It's my bluray player for now.

I wonder if your three games are the same as my three games. Warhawk, RFOM, and Motorstorm. Just a bit more off topic but my 4th will be Killzone2 which has the potential of being one of my all time favorites from what I have seen!!!

PS3 wont be able to do transformers, batman begins, matrix, the bournes, and many others better than the Xbox HD-DVD player .. on any display. 8)

Please explain this...Why? If you are saying this because they won't be available on bluray then why did you list Matrix? Last I heard it was still coming out on bluray? Did I miss the press release stating otherwise??

Component is soft compared to VGA on the 360. For HDMI or DVI on your 360 you could try this http://www.xcm.cc/xcm_white_360_hdmi_1080i_cable.htm
I don't know if it is any good and it says 1080i not 1080p so the VGA cable for the 360 may still be the best way to go.

Forgot to add that as a big gamer the 360 rulez...well next to my PC. My wife offered to buy me a PS3 the other day and I said no. I'm not crazy but I am a stubborn SOB and there is no way I'm giving them my money until they roll out some decent titles. I will not reward them for making a good blu-ray player because it's supposed to be a gaming console first.

I had both going in at 1080p/60 on my HDMI input and they both looked nearly the same... :) It was highly title dependent...

I had both going in at 1080p/60 on my HDMI input and they both looked nearly the same... :) It was highly title dependent...

The only title on HD I have seen is King Kong. It looked just as good as my Bluray movies from a picture quality standpoint. I can tell a difference on my PS3 though due to the fact I am sending it 1080/24p and not seeing any motion judder.

I prefer to use my PS3 (faster response, 1080/24, overall better player) over my Toshiba or Xbox HD player (in fact Ive probably got 120 BDs to 80 HDs - didnt count them, though), however the picture quality is the same to me. I have 300 on both HD and blu-ray and with the exception of the PS3 image being darker than the Toshiba image they are indistinguishable.

I have no idea if Matix is showing up in bluray or not. That comment I made regarding it wasnt really a statement of fact. Just having a little fun.

I am not the type of person who can wait for something though. I pay a little extra to get my good titles early and I cant really see why someone who loves HD wouldnt have both blu-ray and HD-DVD.

I recently upgraded to a Ruby projector from a Panny AE900U. I had been using an Xbox360 HDDVD player. So i figured i would take the plunge and get something that outputted to 1080p since the Ruby takes 1080P. So I bought a PS3 because it gives me gaming too for the same price as a standalone Bluray player

The result:

HOLY COW! Shangri La! The picture is now stunning and significantly better than my old 720p Panny/HDDVD combo. We watched BluRay Casino Royale and 5th Element and i was totally in heavan (and i am the kind of nerd that cant help but find something wrong with the picture). I am kind of confused about calibrating but basically the sharpness and overall quality is top shelf.

So basically i am just posting about my happiness, and, to pass on my impression that there is a VERY noticeable difference between 720 high def and 1080P high def. And the PS3 is a good way of taking the plunge into Blu Ray. Everyone probably knows this already but there ya go....


I noticed that the Sony Pearl PQ looked better when fed 1080p compared to 1080i with even with the same source. It appears the Sony wasn't great at processing 1080i. I don't notice any difference in PQ between the HD formats so I wonder if you experiencing similar with the Ruby. 24p is the finish touch IMO but I don't believe the Ruby supports this.

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It sort of supports it. It accepts a 48p input if you use the DVI input. This is assuming that you have a VP to go from 24p>48p though.

I have no idea if Matix is showing up in bluray or not. That comment I made regarding it wasnt really a statement of fact. Just having a little fun.

I am not the type of person who can wait for something though. I pay a little extra to get my good titles early and I cant really see why someone who loves HD wouldnt have both blu-ray and HD-DVD.

I agree. I tried holding out for bluray to win the war but I broke down and got an HDDVD add on.

BTW, why would you buy 300 on both formats? Were you just trying to compare?

I wanted the special features of the HD-DVD but I really prefer to use my PS3 to watch movies. Plus I have my X360 HD-DVD player for downstairs in my family room.

Thats the only title I have both on, though.

It appears the Sony wasn't great at processing 1080i.
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I wonder if this differs with sources. I have been quite amazed at what this projector has been able to do with Dish's HDTV channels.
While some Dish HD channels are 720p, many are 1080i. The 1080i channels look fantastic. I was honestly surprised that they would look that good. I expected some problems (being a long time Dish customer).

I wonder if this differs with sources. I have been quite amazed at what this projector has been able to do with Dish's HDTV channels.
While some Dish HD channels are 720p, many are 1080i. The 1080i channels look fantastic. I was honestly surprised that they would look that good. I expected some problems (being a long time Dish customer).


Don't get me wrong it isn't bad it's just not as good as some. With HD DVD a great test is the MI3 Vatican wall scene. The Sony displays moire artefacts in the brickwork in this scene when fed the signal at 1080i. Feed it the same material from the same player at 1080p and it doesn't. Same source only difference is 1080i to 1080p conversion no longer done by the Sony. It would therefore be easy to assume the problem was the player or format if you fed the same movie at 1080p from a PS3. :)

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So if i use a component to VGA adapter dongle, i can feed the Ruby a 1080P from xbox signal via the VGA input? That would be great and helps me with my Ruby input issues too.

I am not being a fanboy of either PS3 or Xbox. I have both. IMO the Xbox simply has many/better games, the PS3 has gaming potential and is a great 1080P blu-ray player (nothing to compare it against) and matches dandily to the Sony Ruby. They are a match made in heaven.

My big problem now is number of inputs and switching of all this gear. I have XBOx (for gaming and HDDVD), PS3 (for Blu ray), DVR (for TV), DVD Changer (for my library of SD movies), and a PC (for surfing, watching photos, gaming). Its a struggle to connect all these. The new HDMI switch from monoprice seems to work well so far. I also use an older audio authority component switch.

So if i use a component to VGA adapter dongle, i can feed the Ruby a 1080P from xbox signal via the VGA input? That would be great and helps me with my Ruby input issues too.

If you mean by a dongle a transcoder then yes. If you mean a dongle as in a vga on one end and a break out on the other then no.

Don't get me wrong it isn't bad it's just not as good as some. With HD DVD a great test is the MI3 Vatican wall scene. The Sony displays moire artefacts in the brickwork in this scene when fed the signal at 1080i. Feed it the same material from the same player at 1080p and it doesn't. Same source only difference is 1080i to 1080p conversion no longer done by the Sony. It would therefore be easy to assume the problem was the player or format if you fed the same movie at 1080p from a PS3. :)

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Interesting find. Thanks for the information. I will have crack the MI3 Blu-Ray disc out of the trilogy set and check my set up also. Heck, I should probably just watch the whole thing while I'm at it. ;)
I also could compare it to the Showtime HD version. Just have to remember to record it next time it plays.

I'm really considering getting an external processor, but the cost keeps me at bay... at least for now.

My biggest beef is that i have to use the PS3 controller instead of my universal remote. I also love the fairly deep level of settings that are in the PS3 compared to the Xbox........

Buy the new Nyko Blu-Wave IR remote for it. A small USB stick plugs into your PS3. Teach your universal remote, and presto, you have virtually full control (a couple insignificant buttons are missing over the standard remote). Only problem is that you must power it up manually still. But no big deal when you're there to put a dvd in anyway...

This was a godsend to me, I was in the same boat...

Hudson, where did you purchase the remote for the PS3? Thanks for the advice.

So you're comparing a 720p projector to the 1080p Ruby (along with its contrast range advantage) and concluding that the difference is the disc media?

Oh yeah, that's logical.

Before i connected the PS3 blu ray to the Ruby, i did a side by side comparison of the Panny AE900U and the Ruby both using the Xbox HDDVD player. I saw what i perceived to be an improvement but not an earth shattering one. Then I took a gamble and got the PS3 for the reasons mentioned and was very surprised at the improvement over the HDDVD on the Ruby. Very noticeable.

So to answer your questions, yes I am comparing 720 to 1080 and give the Ruby a glowing review in my situation especially due to the Media. To each their own. I realize the improvement is to be expected of course.

you are comparing 720p and component to 1080p and HDMI on a digital projector...that is what should be in the thread title....

Now if you compared HDMI at 1080p on BOTH then the thread title may make sense (I would say say if for nothing else than audio)

So if i use a component to VGA adapter dongle, i can feed the Ruby a 1080P from xbox signal via the VGA input? That would be great and helps me with my Ruby input issues too.

No, you need the the Xbox 360™ VGA HD AV Cable (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360vgahdcable/) to play HD DVD at 1080p via a non-HDMI Xbox 360. A transcoder won't work because the limitation is on the component output, and a transcoder doesn't change that you're using component output.

If you were that pleased with the improvement of 1080p over 720p, then it's well worth the $50 investment (you'll probably want to order a VGA cable from monoprice too), to get that same improvement with the 360/HD DVD.

If you mean by a dongle a transcoder then yes. If you mean a dongle as in a vga on one end and a break out on the other then no.

Just to reiterate, a transcoder won't remove the 1080i component limitation, it's still a component output, so it's still limited to 1080i. What you could do, is get the VGA output, and a VGA to Component transcoder, and that would work, allowing you to use the component input on the PJ.

Just to reiterate, a transcoder won't remove the 1080i component limitation, it's still a component output, so it's still limited to 1080i. What you could do, is get the VGA output, and a VGA to Component transcoder, and that would work, allowing you to use the component input on the PJ.

The Ruby won't accept a 1080p signal over component.

Hudson, where did you purchase the remote for the PS3? Thanks for the advice.

NP, w.

Being impatient, I picked it up off ebay for too much money -just under $30 in total with the shipping :)

Newegg sells it for $14.99. I would go that route. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16879213018&Tpk=nyko%2bblu-wave

Regarding the lack of power button, which you will see people complain about on newegg, the official bluetooth remote doesn't have a power buttom either. It must have something to do with the PS3 hardware.

OK but your title is deciving and doesnt make sense.
you dont talk of seeing 1080p out of both formats.

I recently upgraded to a Ruby projector from a Panny AE900U. I had been using an Xbox360 HDDVD player. So i figured i would take the plunge and get something that outputted to 1080p since the Ruby takes 1080P. So I bought a PS3 because it gives me gaming too for the same price as a standalone Bluray player

The result:

HOLY COW! Shangri La! The picture is now stunning and significantly better than my old 720p Panny/HDDVD combo. We watched BluRay Casino Royale and 5th Element and i was totally in heavan (and i am the kind of nerd that cant help but find something wrong with the picture). I am kind of confused about calibrating but basically the sharpness and overall quality is top shelf.

So basically i am just posting about my happiness, and, to pass on my impression that there is a VERY noticeable difference between 720 high def and 1080P high def. And the PS3 is a good way of taking the plunge into Blu Ray. Everyone probably knows this already but there ya go....

Well i really bought the PS3 for the blu ray because many of my favorite movies are bluray only. But i game too, so hooray for dual purpose machines.

I will pay for the Xbox VGA adapter because that will actually make use of the unused VGA input on the Ruby. Great Idea. Then i will do another 1080P comparison Xbox vs PS3 of MI-3 or something.

PS: I am a fan boy of my whole setup which is in a constant state of upgrade and re-wiring and wallet-reducing. My running joke with my wife is that i need to purchase more cables :) Good thing i have a box full of overpriced, monster brand, expensive S-video cables gathering dust :cool:

This thread smells funny...

I have a ps3 @ 1080p via hdmi, 360 elite @ 1080p via hdmi, tosh a1 @1080i hdmi for viewing pleasure...

The difference between them is very hard to discern @ 120" screen - its all about the quality of the source disc.

i can't believe how nasty SD DVD looks now to my eye - like fracking VHS used to...

Twylight, do you get anything from the Toshiba that you don't get from the PS3? Or do you use it for non-1080P devices like plasma, etc.?

Does anyone know if the sony VW60 accepts 1080p through it's VGA input?

I bought the vga cable for the xbox360 but it doesnt seem to work at 1080 (doesnt say i or p like it does when using component so I presume it's 1080p only when using a vga cable).

computer resolutions are always progressive