View Full Version : College Hoops in HD this season


ak3883
10-25-07, 03:16 PM
Anyone find any info about plans for HD college bball games this season? ESPN's press release with the complete schedule just says that a number of the games will be in HD(well duh). Of course the Big Monday, Saturday Primetime games will be HD.

I guess it will be like last year, with the "franchise" programming: Big Monday, Super Tuesday, Primetime Saturday, etc all in HD, while some games on weekends won't be HD.

CBS should hopefullly have what they did last year, which was like 90+% of games in HD. Probably wishful thinking that they get HD for the constant feeds(to go with the flex feeds which were in HD last year) for NCAA tourney games this year. It sucks when you live close to your team's campus, and the price for watching a constant feed is no HD. If it's a close game, a couple markets in either direction could be watching your game in HD for nearly the entire time:mad: Even if you have D* and Mega March Madness the game shown on your local affliate is blacked out on D*, as is my understanding.

jefbal99
10-25-07, 03:24 PM
I think that most, if not all the the Big Ten Networks college B-ball games will be HD :)

homcom
10-25-07, 03:24 PM
Probably wishful thinking that they get HD for the constant feeds(to go with the flex feeds which were in HD last year) for NCAA tourney games this year.

Can't confirm but it is more then likely we will see constant feeds from the NCAA tournament on CBS.

Ciscokid209
10-25-07, 03:24 PM
I hope the RSN's do most of their games in HD...

I doubt it, but here's to hopeing.

Somehow I just can't picture seeing a latenight Santa Clara vs Gonzaga game in crystal clear high def...

Ciscokid209
10-25-07, 03:27 PM
Can't confirm but it is more then likely we will see constant feeds from the NCAA tournament on CBS.

I thought all NCAA tournament games are in HD? They've been ranting about it the past two years.

homcom
10-25-07, 03:36 PM
I thought all NCAA tournament games are in HD? They've been ranting about it the past two years.

All of the games were produced in HD last season, however, not every game was able to be distributed in HD to every market, as there are constant and flex feeds for each game. The flex feeds were in HD, however, the constant feeds were not.

jefbal99
10-25-07, 03:52 PM
I hope the RSN's do most of their games in HD...

I doubt it, but here's to hopeing.

Somehow I just can't picture seeing a latenight Santa Clara vs Gonzaga game in crystal clear high def...

Based on FSN football this year, I think the major coverage will be in HD. Hopefully Versus will pick up some college hoops too.

ABC/ESPN/ESPN2
Big Ten Network
CBS
FSN
Lincoln Financial Sports Network

Who am I missing for HD hoops coverage, maybe Comcast/Charter Sports Southeast?

jefbal99
10-25-07, 03:52 PM
All of the games were produced in HD last season, however, not every game was able to be distributed in HD to every market, as there are constant and flex feeds for each game. The flex feeds were in HD, however, the constant feeds were not.

I hope that with the upgrades that were put in place to produce more NFL games in HD, that all feeds, constant and flex will be HD in the spring.

Ciscokid209
10-25-07, 04:05 PM
Based on FSN football this year, I think the major coverage will be in HD. Hopefully Versus will pick up some college hoops too.

ABC/ESPN/ESPN2
Big Ten Network
CBS
FSN
Lincoln Financial Sports Network

Who am I missing for HD hoops coverage, maybe Comcast/Charter Sports Southeast?

If there's so much coverage, why isn't Full Court going to be in HD this season?

homcom
10-25-07, 04:09 PM
Based on FSN football this year, I think the major coverage will be in HD. Hopefully Versus will pick up some college hoops too.


Versus has some CBB from the Mountain West conference. I know they have the conference championship, I don't what other games they have.

homcom
10-25-07, 04:11 PM
If there's so much coverage, why isn't Full Court going to be in HD this season?

The games in Full Court are not produced in HD for the most part so there is no reason to go to an HD package for that. Only the games the LFS does in HD would be the only games that would be part of Full Court that are produced in HD.

IAM4UK
10-25-07, 04:26 PM
Is the Full Court schedule for 2007-08 posted anywhere yet? I know that my Kentucky Wildcats will be on CBS nationwide 6 times, and on ESPN/ESPN2 11 times, but the others (except one) will all be on either FoxSports South or Lincoln Financial. Living in Albuquerque, I rely on Full Court for those FSNS and LFS games.

homcom
10-25-07, 05:01 PM
Is the Full Court schedule for 2007-08 posted anywhere yet? I know that my Kentucky Wildcats will be on CBS nationwide 6 times, and on ESPN/ESPN2 11 times, but the others (except one) will all be on either FoxSports South or Lincoln Financial. Living in Albuquerque, I rely on Full Court for those FSNS and LFS games.

I don't know if it posted anywhere yet. However, the preliminary schedule I have seen shows that they have 11 games on Full Court.

IAM4UK
10-25-07, 05:45 PM
Thanks, homcom. That means I should get 28 of their 30 games. Not bad at all! Now, if they were only all in HD...

homcom
10-25-07, 06:06 PM
Thanks, homcom. That means I should get 28 of their 30 games. Not bad at all! Now, if they were only all in HD...

Looking at their schedule at appears that UK has 31 regular season games all of which will be on either CBS, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, or Full Court.

dc10forlife
10-25-07, 08:46 PM
It would be nice if ESPNU went HD.

The big wildcard this year is whether the RSNs step up to the plate and broadcast more games in HD.

Don't forget that HDNet had a few college basketball games in HD last year.

Also, D* has said it will add CSTV in HD this year. CSTV has silently bought up the rights to alot of games. I would hope that CSTV steps up to the plate and broadcasts its games in HD.

HDMe2
10-25-07, 11:31 PM
I didn't have my RSN in HD last season... but I do know at least some ACC games were in HD as I saw highlights from them and mention of them. So I am hoping the Fox Sports South Sunday evening games will be in HD this season.

I have less hopes for the rest of my ACC because Raycom hasn't done any football ACC games in HD even though they did the ACC tourney last season. Latest rumors have only 4-5 HD basketball ACC games from Raycom this year.

We will get some CBS games in HD for marquee matchups... but probably a lot of SD for ACC fans again this year :(

homcom
10-25-07, 11:35 PM
I didn't have my RSN in HD last season... but I do know at least some ACC games were in HD as I saw highlights from them and mention of them. So I am hoping the Fox Sports South Sunday evening games will be in HD this season.

The Sunday Night ACC games are national so there is a high possibility of HD coverage of them.

ak3883
11-01-07, 03:07 PM
ESPN's TV Planner shows guide data 6 weeks out, and November tourney games and OOC matchups are starting to come into view. Many games marked as HD, head over and check it out if you have a team of interest.

Maui invitational games weren't marked for HD. CVC Classic(NYC) was marked as HD as well as the Old Spice Classic(Orlando) games on ESPN2.

FTL, (http://sports.espn.go.com/espntv/) click on TV Listings-Program Guide. This is the only place I have found HD info, their press releases so far just say that "a number of games this season will be produced in HD" and their regular schedules(both on ESPN.com and MediaZone) do not include this information.

HDsportsguide needs to get on the ball with this:p

jefbal99
11-01-07, 04:22 PM
Doesn't surprise me that the Maui games are SD only. ESPN had to ship over a bunch of containers and setup a modular Control Center for doing the Pro Bowl a year or so ago.

Ken H
11-01-07, 04:41 PM
- ESPN HD & ESPN2 HD will do approximately 150 college b-ball games in HD. Not sure how many that leaves in SD. (From the HDTV Programming Synopsis)

- CBS will most likely produce all NCAA Men's Tournament games in HD again and have the ability to distribute HD games to as many as 5 or 6 zones at the same time. Now I'm sure the issue will be what zone gets what games......

homcom
11-01-07, 04:50 PM
Doesn't surprise me that the Maui games are SD only. ESPN had to ship over a bunch of containers and setup a modular Control Center for doing the Pro Bowl a year or so ago.

It was not the Pro bowl that used the HD flypack. The Pro Bowl was produced out of a SD production truck that lives on the islands. The Hula Bowl was the game the ESPN did in HD from the island.

tonyd79
11-01-07, 04:59 PM
A great source for HD data is http://www.hdsportsguide.com/ but there is no college basketball up yet.

jefbal99
11-01-07, 05:47 PM
It was not the Pro bowl that used the HD flypack. The Pro Bowl was produced out of a SD production truck that lives on the islands. The Hula Bowl was the game the ESPN did in HD from the island.

Damn, why do i always screw that up

homcom
11-01-07, 05:49 PM
- ESPN HD & ESPN2 HD will do approximately 150 college b-ball games in HD. Not sure how many that leaves in SD. (From the HDTV Programming Synopsis)


ESPN and ESPN2 have ~350 Men's College Basketball telecast windows between them.

MRM4
11-02-07, 10:35 AM
Since CBS finally added more HD production equipment for their NFL games, they should have most, if not all, their college BB games in HD.

jefbal99
11-02-07, 11:24 AM
Since CBS finally added more HD production equipment for their NFL games, they should have most, if not all, their college BB games in HD.

I thought they had almost all in HD last season

Ken H
11-02-07, 11:30 AM
Since CBS finally added more HD production equipment for their NFL games, they should have most, if not all, their college BB games in HD.CBS offered most all of the regular season college b-ball game in HD last year, and all of the NCAA Torunament games were produced in HD last year.

They, like all the other OTA networks and most all cable channels (HDNet being the exception), own no HD production equipment. Mobile HD production units are rented or in rare cases leased for specific use.

What CBS has done in regards to HD capability, is to increase the number of HD feeds they can deliver at one time from their Broadcast Center on Manhattan. This is reflected in the additional number of NFL games available in HD this year, up to 6 at one time. This is the meaning of my comment above, "CBS will most likely produce all NCAA Men's Tournament games in HD again and have the ability to distribute HD games to as many as 5 or 6 zones at the same time."

ak3883
11-02-07, 12:43 PM
"5 of 6 games at the same time"

This isn't enough to send out all the 1st round games(in HD) is it? They need 8 "games", each game has a flex feed and a constant feed, so they would need the equivilent of 8 games, right?

homcom
11-02-07, 12:59 PM
"5 of 6 games at the same time"

This isn't enough to send out all the 1st round games(in HD) is it? They need 8 "games", each game has a flex feed and a constant feed, so they would need the equivilent of 8 games, right?

That is correct, the first two days of the tournament have 4 games going on at the same time during some of the telecast windows. That would mean 8 outbound feeds from NYC.

dishbacker
11-05-07, 03:55 PM
That is correct, the first two days of the tournament have 4 games going on at the same time during some of the telecast windows. That would mean 8 outbound feeds from NYC.

The difference between NFL doubleheaders and the NCAA tourney is there is a forced 30 min break between games. So, you have the following:

Thur/Fri (16 games total per day): 4 sites w/ 4 games each. 4 max at one time.
Sat/Sun (8 games total per day): 4 sites w/ 2 games each. typically 3 max at one time.

Only need 4 constant feeds to show every game in HD. They problem with last year is CBS put together 'constant' feeds and 'flex' feeds. The Flex feeds were in HD and could jump around from game to game, or leave a main game if its a blowout and go somewhere else. The 'constant' feeds showed the same team for 40 min and wouldn't leave the game... so you can what your local team without being moved to a different site.

Clear as mud?

homcom
11-05-07, 04:36 PM
The difference between NFL doubleheaders and the NCAA tourney is there is a forced 30 min break between games. So, you have the following:

Thur/Fri (16 games total per day): 4 sites w/ 4 games each. 4 max at one time.
Sat/Sun (8 games total per day): 4 sites w/ 2 games each. typically 3 max at one time.

Only need 4 constant feeds to show every game in HD. They problem with last year is CBS put together 'constant' feeds and 'flex' feeds. The Flex feeds were in HD and could jump around from game to game, or leave a main game if its a blowout and go somewhere else. The 'constant' feeds showed the same team for 40 min and wouldn't leave the game... so you can what your local team without being moved to a different site.

Clear as mud?

I'm very clear on what want on with CBS and the NCAA tournament last year. To do constant and flex feeds in HD, CBS needs to have 8 outbound HD networks by my count, 4 flex and 4 constant. I'm not sure if they would need to tie up a coordination room handling the switches between the different feeds, like they do on doubleheader NFL Sundays. Thur/Fri has 16 games over 5 telecast windows, in a 3, 4, 1, 4, 4 format.

JDLIVE
11-06-07, 01:19 PM
Usually there is minimal college hoops in HD until after the football season is over, is that still going to be the case this year?

homcom
11-06-07, 01:59 PM
Usually there is minimal college hoops in HD until after the football season is over, is that still going to be the case this year?

In the past this has been the case because of a shortage of HD production trucks to do both basketball and football. That is still the case somewhat, but it won't be as bad as in years past.

MarcSparks
11-19-07, 12:15 AM
I'm quite disappointed the Preseason NIT semis and final at MSG are NOT in HD this week according to my guide. I would've thought that this would be a worthy enough event for the games to be in HD. Guess not.

RemyM
11-19-07, 12:00 PM
Seems strange since there is a HD truck permanently parked outside the Garden.

Knicks_Fan
11-19-07, 12:12 PM
Raycom will make sure to black out ESPN/ESPN 2 HD for key ACC games, to protect their crappy SD product.

JDLIVE
11-19-07, 12:17 PM
I'm quite disappointed the Preseason NIT semis and final at MSG are NOT in HD this week according to my guide. I would've thought that this would be a worthy enough event for the games to be in HD. Guess not.

I think your guide is wrong.

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/

ak3883
11-19-07, 12:45 PM
I'm quite disappointed the Preseason NIT semis and final at MSG are NOT in HD this week according to my guide. I would've thought that this would be a worthy enough event for the games to be in HD. Guess not.

Last week's semifinal and champ/consolation games of the CVC Classic were in HD from MSG, the PQ looked fantastic, IMO. This is for MSG, which is a cave as far as lighting goes, especially up in the 200s/300s.

ESPNTV.com doesn't list the games as HD in their program guide, which isn't a good thing. That is about the only place I can find if games on ESPNHD/ESPN2HD are in HD or not.

MarcSparks
11-19-07, 02:06 PM
I think your guide is wrong.

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/

I've been holding out hope that is the case, but last time I checked ESPN's tv listings from their site (as AK pointed out), it doesn't say HD either...which is a bad sign.

Marty Milton
11-19-07, 04:51 PM
A great source for HD data is http://www.hdsportsguide.com/ but there is no college basketball up yet.
Thanks for the above link. College basketball games are starting to show up on this site, but the first one listed is for Wednesday, 11/21/07, the NIT Semi-final at 7:00 pm.

MarcSparks
11-20-07, 09:43 PM
Well, I'm crossing my fingers that the NIT will be in HD, but both my cable guide and espn.com say it's not. Looks like hdsportsguide might be wrong, guess we'll have to wait and see...

DhDolphns
11-23-07, 12:46 PM
Does ESPN on DIrectv count as HIgh Def for basketball since it is such a crappy picture? God Bless Big Ten network now I can see a Basketball game that looks like its in High def :)