I don't know where anyone got the idea that any of these 3 OVERCOMPRESSORS are giving you HD Broadcast Quality.
THE ONLY Sources/Providers that give you HD Broadcast quality Programming are OTA, 4DTV, and Fiostv. Fiostv is probably the MOST promissing because it has a chance to become much more mainstream than 4DTV.
People who are paying for cable, dish, or directv are just telling them that they can GET AWAY with OVERCOMPRSSING stuff.
Either you can be part of the soution, or you can be an OVERCOMPRESSION enabler, it's your choice.

I'd do Fios if it was available in my area. What's DT4 or whatever you posted??

4DTV is digital CBand.

Well, the overcompressed HD looks just fine to me.

THE ONLY Sources/Providers that give you HD Broadcast quality Programming are OTA, 4DTV, and Fiostv.
Not true, some cable operators do not compress their HD channels any further then how they receive them.

Not true, some cable operators do not compress their HD channels any further then how they receive them.


just as some ota stations cram 3 subchannels with a hd channel.

I see no consistency with cable at either hd or SD.Most times hd looks good and other days it looks bad.As far as SD goes it is always bad just some days alittle better.I see no reason for this,but it does happen in my area.I have tried different combo's of the setup,but generally not much change.I am torn as to switching to sat.but it may not be much better.I agree that what we get is not always a good product.

all I know is that I just switched from fios to direct and watching espn 2 tonight is painful, it is completely horrible. I hope they switch this to mpeg 4 soon.!

All I can say is we love watching our Directv HD...looks great.

Lifes too short to bitch and bitch and bitch day in and day out online about "Directv (cable etc) is compressed!! I think I'm gonna throw up!!!..I can't take it!!!!, life's not worth living anymore because some of my channels aren't correctly shown!! AHHH!!!!!"

Please...

MPEG 4 FEEDS are available for almost all HD Channels, turn to 206 HD or 209 HD from the HD program Guide filter.... HBO is 501 HD and showtime is 537 HD

All I can say is we love watching our Directv HD...looks great.

Lifes too short to bitch and bitch and bitch day in and day out online about "Directv (cable etc) is compressed!! I think I'm gonna throw up!!!..I can't take it!!!!, life's not worth living anymore because some of my channels aren't correctly shown!! AHHH!!!!!"

Please...

Of the AVS corollary to that would be life is too short to watch bad HDTV.

Either you can be part of the soution, or you can be an OVERCOMPRESSION enabler, it's your choice.

Even OTA is HDLite compared to some HD DVD/BD. Let great not be the enemy of good. I prefer HDLite/UltraLite over SD.

PS : Are you BushLite/UltraLite ?

MPEG 4 FEEDS are available for almost all HD Channels, turn to 206 HD or 209 HD from the HD program Guide filter.... HBO is 501 HD and showtime is 537 HDSorry, but no.

DirecTV does not have MPEG-4 versions of the old MPEG-2 channels yet. They just put the MPEG-2 version on another channel number.

You should be able to tell by the relatively poor quality of those feeds.

People who are paying for cable, dish, or directv are just telling them that they can GET AWAY with OVERCOMPRSSING stuff.
So how much is Verizon paying you?

I guess the people who compared FiOS to DirecTV's MPEG4 and came to the conclusion that there was virtually no difference were lying?

What's really funny is the fact that OTA signals are broadcast Mpeg-2 and that is what Fios is being fed. When all of the HBO channels are moved to mpg4 from the source, and subsequently FED at mpeg-4 to ALL providers (FiOS ,D*, Comcast, et al) next year then ...

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On a related topic, just for further complication, if you're not tuning in a re-formated 'HD-Lite' type of HD, maybe you're getting 1080i that's full-format 1920X1080 but is only about 1300 lines maximum effective horizontal resolution (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5667245&&#post5667245). For example, here's a recent post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11998675#post11998675) about an Orlando, Fla., member (Bright House cable) who reports measuring actual ~1920X1080 lines using HDNet's resolution-wedge test patterns (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6664456&&#post6664456) with a 1080p plasma. But many AVS members report measuring this ~32% reduction (~1300 lines) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=10880413&postcount=69). That means, assuming head end signal processing similar to HDNet's channel and full display capability, there's no resolvable detail (http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=2118466#post2118466) within HD programs beyond ~1300 lines, as outlined later (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12009195&postcount=17) in that thread. -- John

no idea why this is here but.... Directv HD looks much better then before...

if this is HD-Lite...can only imagine what is real HD

MPEG 4 FEEDS are available for almost all HD Channels, turn to 206 HD or 209 HD from the HD program Guide filter.... HBO is 501 HD and showtime is 537 HD

FYI...All of those are still MPEG2; however, the new HBOW and SHOW feeds in HD ARE MPEG4! The MPEG4 feeds are "better" and I now "TiVo" all my Season Passes on the west coast feeds.

Looking forward to when D*TV "upgrades" ALL of the MPEG2 signals...;)

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