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My own personal review is the transfer is excellent, consistent, no distracting artifacts or macroblocking although it gets too grainy in some parts. This is one of Paramount's best efforts and I would rank this at upper TIER 1 for HD DVD PQ.

HD is not limited to the movie but they also have supplemental material on Disc 2 in high definition. Take a look:

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Very thorough presentation in almost everything you need to know in the making of the movie and the history of the TV series (or the toy line for that matter) its based from. There is also some extra goodies for the fans like graphics and trailers. Well thats it and before I continue here is something I found that made me smile :)

http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/100136/0/Transformersextra6.jpg


Before time began, there was the cube . . .

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Great, Xylon! Thanks for comparison.

That's a pretty decent jump, especially the space shot. Look at all the missing stars.

Xylon, any shots of scenes without less out of focus subjects or less motion blurred subjects?

An all in focus static shot will be great to determine the definition. :)

Yeah, a static shot with a large depth of field would be the best to show off the detail. Could be kind of hard to find in this movie though.

Thanks yet again for comparo's, Xylon. I'd be curious to see the shots in some of those low light indoor scenes to see how the two versions compare. One or two shots when Sam is looking for the glasses didn't look too hot on my end. Other than that (on my display), I love the HD transfer effort.

Sweeet! Good job bro! :)

Pretty underwhelming quality difference, nothing like the Hot Fuzz comparison shots, for example.

Maybe more static shots like someone mentioned above (megan fox face shot :cool: ), or perhaps the PQ of the DVD is just really good and the PQ of the HD-DVD is just average.

Yeah, a shot static shot with a large depth of field would be the best to show off the detail. Could be kind of hard to find in this movie though.

We will get there soon :D

The movie PQ looks really nice, to bad I dont really have any interest of the movie itself to justify a purchase. :(

Great shots there Xylon... did any of you guys notice in the movie after ironhide jumps over the blue dress lady... when Jazz jumps on Devastator that its EXACTLY like the 86 cartoon movie where KUP jumps on devastator.. he even says the same thing Jazz says.. "Decepticon Punk". Great part.. nice throw back. I noticed it right off along with the scenes of Prime and Megatron in the final battle.

What made me think of it was the pic Xylon posted of Prime and Megatron fighting from the old cartoon... that was pretty much redone in the movie as well. :)

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nice, that garden shot is really good ^

Very nice.

Great shot for an easy to see improvement, at least to me.

Big difference!

Great pic comparo. Look at the AA (101) badge on Fave's (?) arm and the air force sargent stripes on the other actor's arm. You really see the diff's.

OK, according to the DU Test the definition is way above 720p, you need a FullHD display to appreciate this movie:

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720 DUTest Mouseover:
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I saw the SD version playing on a HD (probably 728p) set at Microcenter the other day, the SD version during explosions and fast movement stuff (i.e., 80% of the movie) is artifact city.. granted they probably had sharpness maxed out on the set too making it worse..

Here is the mouseover comparison between the DVD upscaled and the HD DVD version:

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Xylon, is there ANY static shots, not motion blurred, of the CG robots? CG is usually very defined.

The plants around the fountain show a greater difference.

I don't think there's a single static shot in the whole movie, or at least one that lasts more than a second. Even the Transformers themselves don't stay still long enough to take in all the detail.

Here is the mouseover comparison between the DVD upscaled and the HD DVD version:

http://horn.hdtvtotal.com/hdtvtotal/scripts/waggle/waggle.php?hd=http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/100166/0/Transformershddvd5.png&sd=http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u98/adzez/Transformers/9e752cbd.png

Xylon, is there ANY static shots, not motion blurred, of the CG robots? CG is usually very defined.


FrancescoP,

The mouseover comparison does not work in my case.......... waited and only the dvd picture would load up.

edit: Now it shows the HDDVD first, and then the dvd shows up, but won't go back to the HD DVD version..... ah no biggie. Thanks for the continued effort.

Pretty underwhelming quality difference, nothing like the Hot Fuzz comparison shots, for example.

Maybe more static shots like someone mentioned above (megan fox face shot :cool: ), or perhaps the PQ of the DVD is just really good and the PQ of the HD-DVD is just average.


On my monitor there is a great difference between the two.

Our eyesight comes into play here also.

Great job as usual Xylon!

Would you kindly PM me an untagged version of this for my PC background? :D


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Pretty nice. And I've always wanted an HD shot of Megan Fox's armpit :D

oh god now we all know she shaved it.

Great shots.

Mouseovers of the last shots (DVD vs HD DVD):

http://horn.hdtvtotal.com/hdtvtotal/scripts/waggle/waggle.php?hd=http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/100167/0/Transformershddvd6.png&sd=http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/100165/0/Transformersdvd6.png

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Xylon, do you have the DVD shot of this one?:


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Xylon, do you have the DVD shot of this one?:

I will post the DVD version of that.

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Nice, but show us a friggin robot! I think we got enough softcore porn already. :D

Nice, but show us a friggin robot! I think we got enough softcore porn already. :D

I could go for a robot or two, but can you really ever have enough porn?!:p

The fence behind Fox shows a really nice difference in versions.

Holy Macroblock city in that pic with the Three and Sam + Friend!

As hot as Megan Fox is, her skin doesn't look that great in HD.

Would you kindly PM me an untagged version of this for my PC background? :D


http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/100136/0/Transformersextra6.jpg

ummm... can i second this request?

btw, awesome pics xylon!

Looks pretty good..very clean HD image (as expected)...espicially via a static computer monitor....wonder if the naked eye from the usual 8-10-12 or so feet away from a 50" or less TV would notice a huge difference especially since the images are in constant motion vs. static screen caps?

One thing for sure these kind of "tests" help decide...there isn't as much change between SD to HD as when comparing VHS movies to VHS. :)

Pretty underwhelming quality difference, nothing like the Hot Fuzz comparison shots, for example.

Maybe more static shots like someone mentioned above (megan fox face shot :cool: ), or perhaps the PQ of the DVD is just really good and the PQ of the HD-DVD is just average.The difference is night and day to me.

in that arm pit shot lol the earings looks way sharper and detailed

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Not TOO much difference between the two in this last shot...bet it would be tough to see the differences on a 50-57" or less TV since that is a fast paced action scene.

Not too much difference? The soldiers looks like they came out of bad streaming video. :D

For those that are interested here's the same shot from the online h.264 teaser trailer (deblocking turned off):

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2899/transformersuk5.png

To the naked eye while watching the actual playback, odds are you won't be able to pinpoint much difference that a still frame allows you to do..things are moving way too fast when watching the movie....sure the HD side looks nice, but not "phenomenal" or anything.

The scene in question is a slow motion shot so yes, I think anyone with a decent setup would be able to tell the difference between that blurry mess and the razer sharp HD picture. Faster kinetic scenes might not be truly night and day but the extra resolution and complete lack of blocking artifacts is well worth it IMO.

I think many of us are expecting exponential detailing throughout the feature film which practically may not be feasible unless the entire filming is shot like that.

Too bad Kubrick didn't direct Transformers.

Nice, but show us a friggin robot! I think we got enough softcore porn already. :D

obviously you don't have your priorities in order....

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michael bays a horible director. why the hell arent her nipple poking through her shirt?!?!?!?

obviously you don't have your priorities in order....



michael bays a horible director. why the hell arent her nipple poking through her shirt?!?!?!?

rofl.

Not TOO much difference between the two in this last shot...bet it would be tough to see the differences on a 50-57" or less TV since that is a fast paced action scene.


I would think you would tell alot more detail at 1080p24hz since its directly ported off the disc then a 480p to 1080p60hz in fast motion. But then again I haven't watched a movie on a 50" tv since i got my projector.

To the naked eye while watching the actual playback, odds are you won't be able to pinpoint much difference that a still frame allows you to do..things are moving way too fast when watching the movie....sure the HD side looks nice, but not "phenomenal" or anything.

your naked eye needs better training then. :D

i watched this movie on both dvd and hd dvd and the difference is huge. even the 720p rip of the hd dvd looks tons better than the dvd. i'm guessing cyberlink powerdvd does something to the DDPlus track tho, the sound i felt could be even better than what i had heard playing the hd dvd via htpc/optical.

Too bad Kubrick didn't direct Transformers.

i was thinking Peter Jackson.

Off topic, but Xylon do you actually buy all the releases each time these movies come out? (DVD, HD-DVD, BR, etc.) In the comparison threads, you always seem to own all the versions, even the inferior ones (the DVD in this case). That's gotta be a TON of money spent on discs.:eek:

Nice comparisons. The HD-DVD is so clear on my set. Looks like the DVD is pretty decent for a SD version. :)

actually, the dvd picture quality really sucks on my setup...the edges do not go all the way to the sides of my screen, but instead leave a couple pixels on each side that fades to black. Highly annoying.

actually, the dvd picture quality really sucks on my setup...the edges do not go all the way to the sides of my screen, but instead leave a couple pixels on each side that fades to black. Highly annoying.

Wouldn't know.. HD-DVD all the way for me. I was just going by these pics. :)

i was thinking Peter Jackson.

He doesn't keep his camera still either. He loves those big sweeping camera moves.

To the naked eye while watching the actual playback, odds are you won't be able to pinpoint much difference that a still frame allows you to do..things are moving way too fast when watching the movie....sure the HD side looks nice, but not "phenomenal" or anything.

Can't agree on this one. I have both versions, as do many others, and on a properly calibrated projector the improvements are easy to see.:)

Can't agree on this one. I have both versions, as do many others, and on a properly calibrated projector the improvements are easy to see.:)

I'd say I agree that a PROJECTOR..with a LARGE screen would require HD/Blu...I was commenting on say a 57" or less screen. :)

It's all about the viewing distance. I have a 24" lcd and dvds generally look like soft garbage. This dvd would be unwatchable.

It's all about the viewing distance. I have a 24" lcd and dvds generally look like soft garbage. This dvd would be unwatchable.


You must either have a not so good or improperly working DVD player (using Composite or S-Video plugs perhaps?), or not so good or poorly calibrated TV if SD DVD looks like "soft garbage" on such a teeny tiny TV....I can't image ANY TV of that size from a standard viewing range looking soft or bad.

It's from a HTPC and even with ffdshow's lanczos resize and some sharpening SD dvds looks like crap unless you're standing from across the room. Then it's somewhat watchable but that's no way to watch a movie.

You must either have a not so good or improperly working DVD player (using Composite or S-Video plugs perhaps?), or not so good or poorly calibrated TV if SD DVD looks like "soft garbage" on such a teeny tiny TV....I can't image ANY TV of that size from a standard viewing range looking soft or bad.

When you finally decide to buy either of the hi-def formats you'll realize that there is a HUGE difference between the two, MORE SO on a properly calibrated display, not less.

Even "reference" DVDs look soft and out of focus once you've grown accustomed to watching high definition, be it HD DVD or Blu-ray. You can't replace 6 times the resolution with proper calibration.

To say there is little to no difference in the shot of the soldiers running in the desert is just laughable. I'd have your eyes checked if you can't spot the obvious improvement on the HD shot.

I watched this movie last week with 4 others who hadn't made the switch yet and they ALL noticed the differences quite easily, wowing constantly at the picture throughout the movie. Both couples went out picked up A2s. Of course they've been hearing me going on about HD DVD for weeks :p but Transformers (and Heroes) convinced them to finally take the plunge themselves.

When you finally decide to buy either of the hi-def formats you'll realize that there is a HUGE difference between the two, MORE SO on a properly calibrated display, not less.

Even "reference" DVDs look soft and out of focus once you've grown accustomed to watching high definition, be it HD DVD or Blu-ray. You can't replace 6 times the resolution with proper calibration.

To say there is little to no difference in the shot of the soldiers running in the desert is just laughable. I'd have your eyes checked if you can't spot the obvious improvement on the HD shot.

I watched this movie last week with 4 others who hadn't made the switch yet and they ALL noticed the differences quite easily, wowing constantly at the picture throughout the movie. Both couples went out picked up A2s. Of course they've been hearing me going on about HD DVD for weeks :p but Transformers (and Heroes) convinced them to finally take the plunge themselves.


I agree. I have owned HD DVD for about 3 months now and although I only have 30 movies, every single one is HANDS-DOWN 100x better than the DVD. I can't even watch most DVDs anymore. LOTR? Its TERRIBLE. Although, it never was a reference DVD, but Fellowship is not even watchable anymore.

But I am using a 96" screen with a front projector, so that may have something to do with it....

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It's definitely HD but with most of the movie being moving shots with lots of kinetic action it'll be hard to show the detail. Motion blur is a bitch.

The robots don't stay still.

I know. I think the only scenes where you could get a decent amount of detail are the hiding in the backyard, the observatory meeting (pic earlier in the thread), and probably the ending (don't show that though).

Watched Transformers yesterday and was literally jumping on every scene coz of the jaw dropping picture and the entertainment elements. The sound design was great but the A2 crushes the audio by toning down the pre-out levels on DD+ tracks.

Great job on the photos!!!! Great picture. too bad it's a horrible film. What else would expect from Michael Bay.

The film may be horrible but it has tremendous entertainment and replay value.

Transformers is the the Citizen Kane of Michael Bay films.

The robots don't stay still.

:confused:

This one seems still enough to me:


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Have you found the DVD version?

Xylon, the timestamp of the above shot is around 1:35:03. Can you grab the DVD version?

Xylon, the timestamp of the above shot is around 1:35:03. Can you grab the DVD version?

Yes, I will.

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Xylon, is the dvd yellowish or is your mpeg-2 decoder not outputting it right? I've seen this on a ton of dvd captures where reds are outputted as orange and there's a yellowish cast.

Xylon, is the dvd yellowish or is your mpeg-2 decoder not outputting it right? I've seen this on a ton of dvd captures where reds are outputted as orange and there's a yellowish cast.

Never noticed anything like that. Its has always been VMR9 and Dsclaler Mpeg2 Video Decoder. Sometimes (very rare) I use Cyberlink H.264,AVC Decoder. If there is any difference I never notice it.

Reds outputted as Orange? Thats something to look into. But I dont see it.

^Nice shots !!!

Never noticed anything like that. Its has always been VMR9 and Dsclaler Mpeg2 Video Decoder. Sometimes (very rare) I use Cyberlink H.264,AVC Decoder. If there is any difference I never notice it.

Reds outputted as Orange? Thats something to look into. But I dont see it.

A good example would be your King Kong shots a long time ago. The HD shot of the American flag shows it correctly as red. The dvd shot shows it as orange.

Transformers is the the Citizen Kane of Michael Bay films.
If that's true, that's really sad for the film industry, not necessarily for Bay since he's only a playboy and great white video director...I always thought that the other crappy movie, The Rock, was his best effort.

Bah, get that thing out of your nose! A pretty girl ruins it by poking another snothole in her face. Nose studs are SO third world.

Transformers is the reason I have HD-DVD.
If it was BR then I would have bought a BR player this week :D


It's the only movie I have gone to the theater in the past 2 years. And of course there was the 5 yo old kid asking questions thoughout the whole movie in the row behind me.

Xylon, the timestamp of the above shot is around 1:35:03. Can you grab the DVD version?

Done.

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Would you kindly PM me an untagged version of this for my PC background? :D


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Enjoy.

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Sweet....:D

Which feature is this from? I was trying to find it without watching them all, but the titles aren't descriptive enough to know which one it is.

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Which feature is this from? I was trying to find it without watching them all, but the titles aren't descriptive enough to know which one it is.

Disc 2. I don't remember exactly where unforunately.

Thank you Xylon.

Here are the mouseover comparisons:

DVD upscaled vs HD DVD

http://horn.hdtvtotal.com/hdtvtotal/scripts/waggle/waggle.php?hd=http://www.cif-forums.com/png/Transformers_10.png&sd=http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u98/adzez/360ec972.png

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Wow. You can read the tire size on the HD shot.

Wow. You can read the tire size on the HD shot.

The transfer is one sharp mother******! on most scenes. I am satisfied with the PQ.

Not TOO much difference between the two in this last shot...bet it would be tough to see the differences on a 50-57" or less TV since that is a fast paced action scene.Im watching a 56" 1080p set and disagree.

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DVD should be outlawed. Maybe I'll run for President so that I can win and make producing new DVDs a crime.

i like how you can clearly see the tire size on the camaro :)

i like how you can clearly see the tire size on the camaro :)
I didn't notice that!!

holy crap...I think I'm going to go out and buy Transformers on HD now... Got the SD version on the 16th, and then got a HDA3 this weekend...guess its worth it since I enjoyed the film.

That last pic, where you can see Optimus Prime in the middle -- that's the money shot. I think that's the best comparison I have ever seen. I just might buy this on the way home from work...

There is a lot of "money shots" in this movie.





*I feel so dirty*

i love HD so much

Hi Xylon,
A quick question. Are your upconverted DVD shots from a HTPC or using one of the HD DVD players? The reason I ask is I just bought a HD A2 from Walmart and my son had gotton a Transformers DVD for his birthday. I'm really impressed with the upconversion of this movie. The garden scene looks almost like the HD side. The lounge chairs are closer to the Hd quality than the upconverted side for my setup. Displaying on a 42" Sharp. What are you displaying these on? I definately see the difference, just wondering about what equipment you are using for these great shots.

Dan

The difference between SD and HD will become heavily noticeable especially on big screens.

Hi Xylon,
A quick question. Are your upconverted DVD shots from a HTPC or using one of the HD DVD players? The reason I ask is I just bought a HD A2 from Walmart and my son had gotton a Transformers DVD for his birthday. I'm really impressed with the upconversion of this movie. The garden scene looks almost like the HD side. The lounge chairs are closer to the Hd quality than the upconverted side for my setup. Displaying on a 42" Sharp. What are you displaying these on? I definately see the difference, just wondering about what equipment you are using for these great shots.

Dan

All movie screenshots are direct digital grabs. Unmolested by your viewing set's video processing. No camera is ever used here.

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Mouseover of the last one... amazing difference:

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Mouseover of the last one... amazing difference:

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Great job Fran, however the HD DVD takes a long time to load everytime i run the mouse over!
Is there something i need to adjust?
Ta

Great job Fran, however the HD DVD takes a long time to load everytime i run the mouse over!
Is there something i need to adjust?
Ta

No, loading time is related to your connection speed. And those are very big files. Just be patient. :)

Megan Fox shots HD-A2 and XV-Z2000 Proj. See the details

Interesting comparison thanks for posting. It was interesting to see that in one of the first pairs of screenshots (interior of the helicopter) that the armband patch on the soldier in the left foreground was clearly readable on HD-DVD (it says "Airborne") while on the SD version it looked unreadable (almost like arabic or something).

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Amazing, especially the first one...

Here are the Mouseovers:

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It looks great, but I'd put Kong and a few other titles above it in terms of the WOW factor. The night exteriors are pretty grainy.

It looks great, but I'd put Kong and a few other titles above it in terms of the WOW factor. The night exteriors are pretty grainy.

I expected it to be grainy (as I remembered from seeing it at the theaters). Good thing is the encode on this one don't lose too much details during the dark, grainy scenes unlike some titles ;)

Transformers is not on my Top 10 but its still a huge upgrade in PQ over DVD. I can't wait to show the "Robot Mayhem in the City" :)

To me Transformers was more eye candy than KK.
One more movie I am expecting to be top notch is Beowolf.
Hope that Paramount delivers top notch PQ/SQ.

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Are the people talking about motion blur just guessing? I have an old Samsung Plasma. HPS-5053 = like 2 years old? I don't remember any motion blur...

This movie turned out great in HD. Stop doubting! :D

Im having trouble with this title. I can't seem to get the picture quality acceptable. only the blacks really. Is this a particularly noisy film? My blacks stink they look more like navy blue! I was watching flags of our fathers before this and the blacks were much better (but on blu ray). I know everyone comments how great the PQ is on this but I just cant get it up to snuff for me. My TV is calibrated with DVE. Im a new owner of an HDA2 are there any settings I should set on the menu?

Im having trouble with this title. I can't seem to get the picture quality acceptable. only the blacks really. Is this a particularly noisy film? My blacks stink they look more like navy blue! I was watching flags of our fathers before this and the blacks were much better (but on blu ray). I know everyone comments how great the PQ is on this but I just cant get it up to snuff for me. My TV is calibrated with DVE. Im a new owner of an HDA2 are there any settings I should set on the menu?

Actually what you're seeing is correct! The night scenes aren't actually black, but navy blue in color. I couldn't find the link to the review (most likely on one of the Transformers sites)... but that one reviewer saw the movie 3-4 times, in Imax, etc. and commented on how the HD-DVD stayed true to the theatrical presentation (film grain was still there and night scenes were navy blue not actually black).

If someone on the forums could find that review, that would be great.

Actually what you're seeing is correct! The night scenes aren't actually black, but navy blue in color. I couldn't find the link to the review (most likely on one of the Transformers sites)... but that one reviewer saw the movie 3-4 times, in Imax, etc. and commented on how the HD-DVD stayed true to the theatrical presentation (film grain was still there and night scenes were navy blue not actually black).

If someone on the forums could find that review, that would be great.

Thanks for the quick reply! I was busting my head off the wall trying to figure out why icouldnt get the blacks to look as good as I had on some of BD when I know the formats are basically equal. (I just have more BD to check against) All the day scenes looked great but when S7 showed up i was like WTH?:confused: anyways if someone had the review to read it would be great. Thanks again.

Finally got around to watching it. Absolutely stunning! Now I know what movie to play to show off the new player to the family during their holiday visit.

I agree with some others the SD to HD difference is striking but I think films like MI III, Serenity and King Kong are simply sharper looking.

An example.........

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I agree with some others the SD to HD difference is striking but I think films like MI III, Serenity and King Kong are simply sharper looking.

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A bit sharper and little less grainier during dark scenes these 3 movies. And cleaner too :)

With the exception of KK, Transformers just has more POP to the picture.

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NICE Shots!

I can't wait to finally watch this in HD!

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Classic Micheal Bay shot - breasts and explosions.:D

Xylon, (do you have a real first name it feels strange calling someone something like that) show me the sharpest single frame you can find in Transformers and compare it to that Serenity shot.

Art

Xylon, (do you have a real first name it feels strange calling someone something like that) show me the sharpest single frame you can find in Transformers and compare it to that Serenity shot.

Art

Xylon is fine :) I did agree with you about 3 movies being sharper looking.

I posted some screenshots of Serenity at my comparison thread long time ago. There is one shot I did of a close up look of River where the fine hairs on her face is very visible. Sharp and detailed. Look at Mikaela's close up for comparison. Not at the same level. Personally, both have different look that satisfies the style of the movie.

Bottomline is Transformers is darker, grainier and rough around the edges while Serenity is a bit sharper and retains more details during dark scenes. Both are just excellent transfers overall and I'm very satisfied with it :)

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Xylon - you're going to make a lot of actresses feel very self-conscious. :)

I have to say, after seeing so many of these comparisons in the main thread and seeing how awful most of the DVDs end up looking compared to the HD or BD shots, Paramount did a fantastic job with the SD DVD release of this. Thats totally not a knock on the HD picture which I think is 5 stars but the DVD holds up pretty well. Still no comparison though :p

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Whoops looks like the top image needed a little more reducing down in size. No matter I can see the difference with the headphones, the cable that is trailing up to his ear, the lines or paten isn’t strong or reinforced enough. You know what I can live it.:p

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US region 1 DVD

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After reading (staring at!) Xylon's posts over the last year, the most striking thing about the HDDVD shots is that I immediately notice things in the shots; people in the background, pictures on walls, paint variations, lots of little things. I can go back to the SD shots and usually see 2/3rds of those things, but I have to look for them. HD adds enough detail, on most movies, to let you see more effortlessly. IMO, This is the primary effect from higher definition making it all worth it, visually.

Please do continue to post screenshot comparisons for every movie you get a whim about, Xylon!

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I think Xylon loves this disc. ;)

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To Xylon, FrancescoP, Kram and other Videophiles,

Can you please capture some pics using the below settings in your HD DVD player (of course at the same time code)

1) 480p
2) 720p
3) 1080i or p

On 50" and below screens besides slight background moires all 3 resolution setting produced identical picture quality. Kindly check and confirm if enhanced resolution is really causing any major noticeable improvement in PQ. I am extremely worried as I am about to lose a potential HD DVD adopter who happens to be my friend.

Bump...Please help.

To Xylon, FrancescoP, Kram and other Videophiles,

Can you please capture some pics using the below settings in your HD DVD player (of course at the same time code)

1) 480p
2) 720p
3) 1080i or p

On 50" and below screens besides slight background moires all 3 resolution setting produced identical picture quality. Kindly check and confirm if enhanced resolution is really causing any major noticeable improvement in PQ. I am extremely worried as I am about to lose a potential HD DVD adopter who happens to be my friend.

My philosophy is:

If he/she can't see the obvious difference, then there is nothing you can do to convince them otherwise. It will just be a waste of your time.


I have numerous experiences with this, most see it, a few don't. Their loss.

Xylon,

I hadn't read this thread in a while, but I just have to say, I love the Kup reference pictures!

Xylon,

I hadn't read this thread in a while, but I just have to say, I love the Kup reference pictures!

That was fun :)

I have a 50" LED Samsung DLP and on dark scenes I am noticing white noises on the pq is that normal? The scene I notice it the most is scene #10 when all the autobots arrive.

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I have a 50" LED Samsung DLP and on dark scenes I am noticing white noises on the pq is that normal? The scene I notice it the most is scene #10 when all the autobots arrive.

Never noticed anything out of the ordinary.

its a Michael bay film folks. its gonna be a bit grainy. just a bit though. have you seen the island? bad boys? he uses the same type of lighting in everyone of these. watch island as it bears the most resemblance to transformers visual style.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000881/

Trade Mark

Intense slow motion shots of characters

Films often feature a US President giving a major speech before a major action is to be committed.

Has the camera moving during most scenes. Very rarely uses static shots.

(2001) His last 3 films all share: a) two male leads at odds with another; b) a cataclysmic event as the narrative's fulcrumic point; c) the film's lead female character has i) been a long-haired brunette, and ii) watched the film's climax from a control room

Actors/characters in his films are almost uniformly shot in tight, emphatic close ups, framed under the hairline and above the chin.

Often uses lightflashes (i.e. lightbulbs and cameraflashes) to enhance scenes.

Often has over-the-top visuals (i.e. key events taking place at sunset or dramatic events taking place behind actors doing routine activities).

Utilizes monotonic but intense musical cues during action-filled car chase scenes. Bad Boys II (2003), The Island (2005)

Movies tend to be divided in two acts. The first one establishes the narrative and introduces the characters, allowing them to bond, usually in humorous and/or romantic ways. The second act is a non-stop action sequence.

Uses shots of aircraft against a setting sun, especially helicopters (Armageddon (1998/I), Pearl Harbor (2001), Transformers (2007)).

Often features a slow-motion shot of an object crashing into, or tumbling towards the camera.

Uses a shot where the camera spins in a circle around characters. (Bad Boys II, Transformers)

According to Mr Bay, the HD DVD version does not match his intent, but the blu-ray will be able to :)

According to Mr Bay, the HD DVD version does not match his intent, but the blu-ray will be able to :)




:rolleyes: I sure hope he doesn't end up eating his own words, don't get me wrong if it happens to come out a whole lot better it's double dipps for me.:)


djoel

The picture won't be any better and any extras could have been put on a second disc. Could Blu have done the internet features when the disc came out, or the PIP?

The picture won't be any better

The thing is, a legion of PS3 fanboys armed with their bit rate meters will come out and swear that there is a huge difference based solely on the numbers (I would love to see these guys deal with a statistically-valid double blind test, without their beloved meter). I can see a definite advantage in the audio department if the blu release gets lossless, but that has nothing to do whatsoever with the bitrate, just the codec (DD+ vs TrueHD or LPCM). Given that the DD+ already sounds fantastic, TrueHD would not be sufficient to get me to double dip...

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Hey Xylon I'm sure you've answered this a zillion times before, but how are you getting your screenshots? On the pc I assume, and if so what do you use to capture the pics?

Hey Xylon I'm sure you've answered this a zillion times before, but how are you getting your screenshots? On the pc I assume, and if so what do you use to capture the pics?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10175856#post10175856

My method is on the first post.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10175856#post10175856

My method is on the first post.

thanks, now my search begins to find out how you got the movies playing in MPC :D. I thought Powerdvd was the method to use, but it would be cool to get them running in MPC as well.

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^^ Is that shot blurry because its filmed with the camera in motion?

^^ Is that shot blurry because its filmed with the camera in motion?

Yes. The best shots are the one when the robots are moving :)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akNJ6S2UqsE

Nice find Xylon.

There are some talented people in that clip.

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Xylon, are you going to do a Transformers PQ thread for Blu next week?

To anybody who double dips (Like me) and gets Transformers on Blu Ray as well; there is a $10 mail in certificate for current DVD owners. I emailed Paramount Home Entertainment to see if that applies for those of us who had bought the HD DVD. I'll post their answer in here when I get it.

since there is new downloadable content availble for the blu ray version do you think we will get it with the hd dvd version? I figure they use the same servers.

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