Peter Putman's report on LCDs vs DLPs:

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/3LCD.html

I just wonder why no company has come up with a 1080p LCD light cannon yet. All they need is a bigger bulb!

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I just wonder why no company has come up with a 1080p LCD light cannon yet. All they need is a bigger bulb!

IB

Heat.

I just wonder why no company has come up with a 1080p LCD light cannon yet. All they need is a bigger bulb!

IB
And bigger bulb means faster deteriation of filters, more heat and noise and most likely higher (worse black level) as well. But I agree there must be more choices such as panny AX-200.

I wish he would have had more info/experence with the Panasonic AE2000u as it seems to have some significant advantages over the lesser 3LCD displays he mentioned...

I wish he would have had more info/experence with the Panasonic AE2000u as it seems to have some significant advantages over the lesser 3LCD displays he mentioned...

Panny uses Epson panel hence same native on/off, ansi and RGB color quality.

Panny uses Epson panel hence same native on/off, ansi and RGB color quality.

Doesn't the Sanyo as well? I beleive all three are using the D7 panels this year. That doesn't mean there aren't substantial differences though. From what I've read so far, the Panny has a near perfect color setting and the ability to easily dial in the gamma to reference levels as well with it's included hardware...

As I understend it Epson is keeping a D7 plus (with depbalck filter) version for them self this time, the regular D7 have arund 1400:1 panel contrast, and the epson D7 plus had a panel contrast of claimed 4500:1. Witch is close ti Sony Locos numbers. None of this data is verified by neutral mesurement yet...

This is going to a interesting autum.

As I understend it Epson is keeping a D7 plus (with depbalck filter) version for them self this time, the regular D7 have arund 1400:1 panel contrast, and the epson D7 plus had a panel contrast of claimed 4500:1. Witch is close ti Sony Locos numbers. None of this data is verified by neutral mesurement yet...

This is going to a interesting autum.

Cine4home reported he tested 3700:1 native CR (18,000:1 w/DI) from his Panasonic AE2000u preview. I believe he mentioned 4000:1/20000:1 is expected from production machines.

At $2700 I see this PJ selling! :)

Cine4home reported he tested 3700:1 native CR (18,000:1 w/DI) from his Panasonic AE2000u preview. I believe he mentioned 4000:1/20000:1 is expected from production machines.

At $2700 I see this PJ selling! :)

Good optix can du that... But if the panel contrast is better you can probably get the same 3:1 increase of also the epsons plus panel...

Maby we will have to wait for the Mitsubichi with the plus panel...

Where did you get this info on the "plus" panel? I've yet to hear that. I was under the impression all three were using the same panels. :confused:

Where did you get this info on the "plus" panel? I've yet to hear that. I was under the impression all three were using the same panels. :confused:

Here is al link explaining the deepblack feature
:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11542680#post11542680

But also on Cine4home site and a scandinavian site where the moderator was on a trip to Epson in Japan and the panel contrast of 4500:1 was claimed by the engineers of Epson, up from 1400:1 for the stock panel.

But as told earlyer I have seen none independent measures confirming it... And there are more to contrast than panel contrast, but panel contrast is a good starting point. The other feature of the epson UB that can be interesting is a full CMS (colour management system) to dial in 100% perfect colour.

The prepro of the UB have been shown here in scandianvia whitout impressing a lot, i understand the prepro models shown in the US have gotten better feedback.

I am looking for a new projector to replace my HS51. The projectors I'm looking at all have some flaws.

DLP -- I am sensitive to rainbows -- all out.

LCD -- Panasonic PT-AE2000U -- Those at Cedia were not that impressed. Here is one review that is about "average" in evaluation:

Panasonic PT-AE2000U: Looked decent, slightly grey appearance to the picture especially compared to the DLP/LCoS based solutions we saw. Not bad but definitely not the best we saw.

Epson Pro Cinema 1080 UB -- definitely lacking in detailed blacks. said one reviewer at Cedia. Someone from this forum saw this at Cedia and noticed dust blobs. Read the forum of the earlier version of the 1080 and you find references all over about dust blobs. Dust blobs give me nightmares from my days with the Sony 10HT.

LCOS -- RS1 -- Color issues, mainly.

VPL-VW60 -- This is at the top of my list, however, there seems to be a HUGE variation in quality from unit to unit. Also, my shelf (rack) in the back center is high enough (more than 50% of the screen height) that the unit would need to be inverted on the shelf. (I can't ceiling mount), so I would have to build some kind of cradle for it which is a hassle and would look rather odd.

So, all have issues for me. I would love to get a less expensive Panasonic or Epson, but from what I have read, they have some almost fatal flaws.

The next two months will be very interesting as I read reviews on these various models and narrow down what would work best for me.

And bigger bulb means faster deteriation of filters, more heat and noise and most likely higher (worse black level) as well. But I agree there must be more choices such as panny AX-200.

So LCOS does not have an open light path, and thus there are no filter problems?

Cannon with 4,000 lumens - http://www.projectorcentral.com/Canon-REALiS_SX7.htm

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Epson Pro Cinema 1080 UB -- definitely lacking in detailed blacks. said one reviewer at Cedia. Someone from this forum saw this at Cedia and noticed dust blobs. Read the forum of the earlier version of the 1080 and you find references all over about dust blobs. Dust blobs give me nightmares from my days with the Sony 10HT.

Did you see it for your self?

Dust blobs are a major issue. Epson have 3 year warranty here in Europe even on the lamp, dont know what tey say about dust, but probably that is covered to. But sending a projector in for repair is not fun...

A couple inpressions from UAV from Cedia:

http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2007/90807epson/

http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2007/090807epson2/

I have unfortunaltly not seen it by my own eyes...

Did you see it for your self?

Dust blobs are a major issue. Epson have 3 year warranty here in Europe even on the lamp, dont know what tey say about dust, but probably that is covered to. But sending a projector in for repair is not fun...

I have not seen it for myself. I would like to. I was very impressed with the specs on the Epson and if it comes in at, say, $3500 or less for the HOME version, it will still be considered. But the constant references to dust blobs worry me. Even if they are covered under warranty, who would want to shut down the home theater for , what, weeks while it's being cleaned at a service facility. And who knows how successful that will be or even it is really covered at all.

I'll wait until they are available and then I will be asking intently about dust blobs.

Did you see it for your self?

Dust blobs are a major issue. Epson have 3 year warranty here in Europe even on the lamp, dont know what tey say about dust, but probably that is covered to. But sending a projector in for repair is not fun...

Wow! That is a great warranty. Most companies cover the lamp for 6 months at most.

A couple inpressions from UAV from Cedia:

http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2007/90807epson/

http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2007/090807epson2/

I have unfortunaltly not seen it by my own eyes...

One of the things that actually worries me about the Espon is that ALL of the demos thus far are WITH an external animorphic lens and a scaler. Since I will not be using those, I would like to hear comments on just the projector itself without all of the external "helps" it is getting. I'm glad the image looks good with the $8000 worth of other equipment, but I just want raw projector data in order to make a decision.

Wow! That is a great warranty. Most companies cover the lamp for 6 months at most.

However, I believe that is for the PRO version not the HOME version. The home version will have two year warranty, I believe. The difference in price is about $2000 (or it has been on the other models). I also believe the lamp warranty will be for X amount of hours OR two years, whichever comes first. I'm not sure about that, however. But including the lamp in the warranty is a HUGE plus, IMO.

In europe there is only one version from what I have heard, with 3 year waranty on the whole pagage including lamp.

The guy is an idiot. He does not understand the difference between ansi and on-off contrast, and believes that the wider the gamut of the colours, the better.

The guy is an idiot. He does not understand the difference between ansi and on-off contrast, and believes that the wider the gamut of the colours, the better.

My thoughts exactly. Probably the worst informed least knowledgeable article ever to have been written on HT. Who hired this guy, and who approved or edited the piece.

I nearly fell off the chair when he said the color stuff. He's actually saying the futher off your primaries are, the better.

That LCD color CIE plot is possibly the worst color I have ever seen. If not its at least up there.

It saddens me that some people will fall for that crap