View Full Version : Are you 100% happy with your format


mproper
10-27-07, 07:38 PM
After seeing all the bickering, I'm just curious if you guys are actually happy with your format?

Would you change anything about your format (strictly technology wise, which means barring studio support)?

For example, if you are an HD DVD person, would you want more disc space and bandwidth that Blu-Ray offers (discounting the proposed TL51, I mean), and if you're a Blu-boy, would you like the interactivity that HD DVD offers or the finalized specs?

Personally, I prefer HD DVD but for the interactivity and finalized specs (IMHO, the cons of disc space/bandwidth are outweighed with the next gen features).

A blend of the two technologies would be ideal...BD's space and bandwidth coupled with HD DVD's interactivity/finalization. Again, IMHO, if the TL51 comes out, I'll be 100% happy with the HD DVD technology. On the flip side, if Blu-Ray gets their profiles sorted out and offers the stuff HD DVD can do today with the added benefit of the storage/bandwidth, I'd be 100% happy with that.

anotheraviator
10-27-07, 07:41 PM
I'm 100% happy with the value, hardware, and design that is HD-DVD.

I'm about 20% happy with the selection of titles.

kkozma
10-27-07, 08:01 PM
Yep. 100% happy with HD DVD. There is exactly ONE title that is exclusive to blu-ray that I want, and that is Cars.

Everything else that piques my interest I can import.

ccotenj
10-27-07, 08:03 PM
i'm happy with all three of my formats... :)

this way i don't have to become emotionally invested in little boxes and round pieces of plastic... :p

vancouver
10-27-07, 08:04 PM
I am 80 happy with both formats. I want more tittles, and I want some more high end players from boutique CE companies which can decode mutiple sound formats.

Rob.D.inToronto
10-27-07, 08:07 PM
I'm pretty happy with my HD player, and I'm actually ok with my PS3.

Of course my PS3 also plays PS2 games, so that is a plus. If my PS3 only played PS3 games I'd be unhappy for a while.

I'd be happier if Disney went neutral, tbh.

alfbinet
10-27-07, 08:08 PM
I have both formats though I am partial to HD DVD. Satisfied with both but HD DVD does more with its titles and for less.

rdjam
10-27-07, 08:19 PM
Yes - I am 100% happy with my format... HD DVD!

DougPr
10-27-07, 08:31 PM
I'm happy with my format, but unhappy that every movie is not available on it.

I personally think the price advantage of HD-DVD will keep it going strong; while the name recognition, advertising, PS3 factor, and multiple manufacturers will keep bluray going strong. This will result in a prolonged war to the point that dual format players reach mainstream pricing.

I'm already looking forward to the Samsung dual format player, and based on the feature list and early reviews, it's going to be worth it.

Then I will no longer care who wins. In fact, I will be hoping for a continued war to keep disc prices at a minimum. I think it's insane that you can already find most movies on these new formats for below $25, and that Netflix ships any format for the same pricing structure as DVD's. I'm also thankful for this war that forced bluray to drop the mediocrity in its initial lineup's picture quality and kept both formats on fairly equal picture/audio footing.

Lee Stewart
10-27-07, 09:13 PM
Absolutely. I have been waiting for HD movies on a DVD sized disc since 1997. I love my HD DVD player. It shows the HD DVD's in stunning fashion, the IME and IF features are cool and it upscales DVD to an acceptable level on my 50" PDP HDTV.

PopcornReady
10-27-07, 09:19 PM
Yep. 100% happy with HD DVD. There is exactly ONE title that is exclusive to blu-ray that I want, and that is Cars.

And exactly zero Blu-ray owners have Cars currently as well as it remains unreleased. So it's the most exclusive you can get at the moment! :eek:

MidnightWatcher
10-27-07, 09:21 PM
I am 100% happy with HD DVD!

PopcornReady
10-27-07, 09:24 PM
I'm very happy -- delighted in fact --with HD DVD.

I'm thrilled with my other format -- SD DVD. And more thrilled still with the incredible images revealed in these "old" discs by the Toshiba XA2. I thought the HD-A2 was great but for me -- a lover of movies and with a library of stuff which won't be in hidef for years -- the Reon chipset upconverting almost makes HD DVD capability a "feature" of the player.

Sure, I want more HD DVD titles ... and more affordable disc pricing. But that will come in time. Who thought six months ago we'd have $199 players in market by October?!?

CraigCooper
10-27-07, 09:50 PM
I'm extremely happy with both formats. I also are very happy with both of my players. The XA2 and the BD10, I haven't had one issue with any movies or updates. So yeah you could say i'm pretty pleased.

exx
10-27-07, 09:56 PM
I'm happy with both formats. Just unhappy with the pricing on the movies. $25 I can deal with. When it gets to 30,35,40 it gets out of what I consider a fair price.

dumbswede
10-27-07, 10:17 PM
I'm 100% happy with my PS3 60Gig model purchased for $349 with 8 free movies ($499 with $150 rebate). I'm not a gamer, but I have downloaded demos, browsed the internet, and I am looking forward to LittleBigPlanet as I had already been planning to get more into Second Life.

I use the PS3 mostly for watching movies, but this is a sturdy, high quality, high utility piece of hardware. I will be installing Linux soon. I just don't know how much more you want to ask of a sub-$1000 piece of hardware. I have mine hooked up optically to 5.1 and it is the most glorious my sound system has ever sounded by far. Years from now if I want, 7.1 HDMI is there.

I'm 60% happy with Sony's marketing practices, and 20% percent happy with Toshiba's.

I can't comment on the quality of HD-DVD since I don't own one, but anyone that derides the PS3 as a game machine just doesn't get the full media outlet value this hardware is. Not only is it a great value, but every few weeks they improve specs by download. It may not be full 1.1 or 2.0 profile now, but it will be.

I'm biased, I want Blu-Ray to win. If I owned HD-DVD I'd probably find it good enough and want it to win, but I own a PS3 and it isn't just the Blu-Ray that blows me away, but all the other aspects of this hardware and how many extras they packed in like WiFi and Bluetooth. I have a fold-up Bluetooth Think-Outside keyboard purchased for use with my Nokia 770, it works great with the PS3. It really seems this box can do just about anything media related.

William
10-27-07, 10:30 PM
Not totally happy with either format (both could be improved) and extremely pissed at Toshiba and Sony for not hashing it out to one format (like they did with DVD (MultiMedia Compact Disc & Super Density Disc)) so as to ensure the future.

JE3146
10-27-07, 10:35 PM
100% happy...

Dual format....


Personally I can't stand the arrogance/ignorance/annoyance from either side.... my ignore list is reaching the 50 user mark.

Slim GoodBooty
10-27-07, 10:35 PM
85% happy with HD DVD
50% happy with BD

Staying Salty
10-27-07, 10:37 PM
All the "HD DVD!" posts make me lol

Yep, nothing but 100% honesty on in the HDTV Software Media Discussion Forums.:D And yes that also applies to the "Blu" web site.

Come on guys, Blu and Red, its still a farily new and developing product. Are we now working on 200% happy.:confused:

ataxic_dentist
10-27-07, 11:18 PM
100% happy with my HD DVD player
50% happy with software selection (I want ~8 blu exclusives and the usual Jackson/Spielberg/Lucas titles)
20% happy with software prices

Schils
10-27-07, 11:24 PM
Ummm, that'd be a HELL YES I'm happy...just got through watching one of my fav movies, Carlito's Way, for the first time ever in HD and thoroughly enjoyed it!! Can't wait for Ultimatum now....HD life is good.

MRMOTA
10-27-07, 11:55 PM
I am happy with BLURAY all the way. I have an HD A2 for HDDVD's and will be happy with HDDVD when I have my 5000. I am tired of cheaply made cheap HDDVD players. Well I'll be completely happy once combos go away... I like movies to much on both sides that I am unwilling to choose one format.

ShagMan
10-27-07, 11:56 PM
I'm 100% happy with the value, hardware, and design that is HD-DVD.

I'm about 20% happy with the selection of titles.

Saved me a bit of typing there... +1!

Ryan Peddle
10-28-07, 12:10 AM
So far 100% happy with my HD-A2 and my satisfaction with my HDDVD selection is
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scan of highdefdigest.com list of BD titles reviewed and ones that I am interested in, 20 out of 359 = 6%
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than I am 94% satisfied with HDDVD software.

PopcornReady
10-28-07, 12:14 AM
I am happy with BLURAY all the way. I have an HD A2 for HDDVD's and will be happy with HDDVD when I have my 5000.

If you are 100%ish happy with your Blu-ray, why are you waiting for a $1000 5000 Combo player when you already have a $200 player capable of delivering HD DVD?

That $1k would buy a LOT of Blu-ray/HD DVD discs without replacing any hardware .... or are you looking for an excuse to dump your $500+ investment in a your Blu-ray player?

FreddyC
10-28-07, 12:16 AM
I'm at 95% with HD DVD. I want some movies that are bound for BluRay.....but I'm not interested in going that way. Freddy

yakkosmurf
10-28-07, 12:34 AM
I don't think I'd refer to anything as my format, even though I do support a lot of them. I am not happy that we still have two formats. I will not buy a standalone player until only one is left, and I don't really care which it is. I just want to be able to get everything. There are more movies out on Blu Ray at the moment that I want over HD DVD, but I'm sure that will change back and forth as things come out.

I am happy that I'm able to watch HD movies without having to buy any hardware I wasn't getting anyway. I bought a PS3 last year to replace my recently deceased launch day PS2. (Gran Turismo is the only game I play much, and I couldn't have no access to that. :D) I've been very happy with my PS3 and the GT5 demo.

I have bought around 15 Blu Ray movies, and I have no complaints. I have a few UMDs I picked up for cheap (<$10) for my PSP, and that's kind of how I view Blu Ray. I have no attachment to it, but I do enjoy playing them on my PS3. But, I do still buy the DVD of some movies I own on Blu Ray to be able to convert them to my PSP for traveling (mostly ones my wife likes). I never watched 95% of the extras and stuff on my DVDs, so Blu Ray has been fine. I barely have time to watch all of the movies I buy, much less extras or watching the movie with commentary. I can see that others find that important, but I never have. What's most important to me is high quality audio (never been a Dolby fan) and the most uncut version of the movie available. I also hated having to get up and flip or change out discs in the middle of the show, but so far, no need for that with Blu Ray (like I had with several DVDs).

Good question to start a thread. It got me thinking, and I can see why you'd ask.

MRMOTA
10-28-07, 12:52 AM
If you are 100%ish happy with your Blu-ray, why are you waiting for a $1000 5000 Combo player when you already have a $200 player capable of delivering HD DVD?

That $1k would buy a LOT of Blu-ray/HD DVD discs without replacing any hardware .... or are you looking for an excuse to dump your $500+ investment in a your Blu-ray player?

I'll be dumping the HD-A2. The PS3 will become a media center for streaming pictures, music, movies and maybe one day I'll buy a game. Besides 799 to 899 is looking likely for the 5000. To get two fully compliant players in one I am willing to spend the extra cash. It will have Reon, full blu ray and hd dvd support. Hell I may actually look at some of the extras for both but I 'd probably say not. :cool:

I paid 200 bucks for the A2. I have enjoyed the movies I've purchased immensely. The player not so much alot......

bunkaroo
10-28-07, 01:16 AM
I would say I am 95% happy with Blu-Ray, and 90% happy with HD DVD.

With both formats, I'd would knock them down 5% for not having enough good titles out.

With HD DVD, I knock another 5% off because of combos.

tormond
10-28-07, 01:24 AM
I am 98% happy with HD DVD (I bought Wicker Man so it lost some points)

I am about 20% happy with Blu Ray as I find the PS3 to be an extremely cludgy interface to watch movies on. I am glad that some of you can stream video/pictures etc to the PS3. Mine locks up about 99% of the time (to the point I have to unplug it) when I stream to it. My HTPC (streaming from the same media server via wireless (the PS3 is hardwired) has no such issues). Maybe when Profile 2.0 becomes available for a decent price I will feel differently but I can still run F@H and play God of War on the PS3 at least.

deria
10-28-07, 06:54 PM
I am 100% percent happy with HD-DVD. I like the price, I like the movie selection, and I like the features. I'm not anti-BD (but I'm absolutely anti-Sony, for those keeping track). The BD camp simply hasn't shown me anything that I care much about, though.

Technically, I think BD has three things that make it different from HD-DVD:

1) Exclusives. Sure, there are some exclusives. So far they seem to be movies I don't have an interest in. Maybe that will change in the future. For now, though, the exclusives on BD are simply not attractive enough to make me shell out for an expensive player. If the player were cheaper, I might have a different opinion.

2) Capacity. Ok. Thats good, I guess, but I don't feel constricted right now and I don't really think that I'll feel constricted in the future. The longest movie I can think of was King Kong, and it looked great on HD-DVD. Aside from that, i can see "Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair" or any of the LoTR movies as being the longest. I personally think that they'll fit on one disc, but if they don't I certainly won't cry. My extended edition DVDs were spread across two discs each and I'm fairly sure my head didn't explode when I found out. Hell, i'm sure that the movie studio would list it as a feature ("so great we had to spread it across 37 discss!"). It is startign to look pretty seriously like TL51 will cease to be vapour as well, though that hasnt happened yet so I won't claim that the capacity difference is moot.

3) Bandwidth. That just seems like an excuse, though. If you aren't deliberately wasting space (ie: mpeg-2) then the bandwidth available seems like a non-issue. I certainly haven't been disappointed by anything up to this point, anyway.

On the other hand, BD has shown me one thing that I definitely don't approve of:

1) Non-interactivity. I know that there are people who don't care about interactivity. I'm not one of them. I like interactivity, and I think that -most- other cosnumers do as well. When I inserted Transformers and got to look at the cool interactive stuff thats downloadable, I was impressed. Sure, its gimicky, but I can see REAL, USEFUL interactive features based on what they've shown so far. Configurable, on the fly subtitles would be nice (where you control the size and position of the text). Sing-alongs for musicals. Support for additional languages after the release of the disc. One on one interviews with the cast members long after the disc is released. These are interesting features, and the fact that BD is so completely and totally NOT focused on interactivity is bit of deal breaker for me.

Ultimately I think it will be a stale-mate, and I'm fine with that, but its pretty clear that BD has some serious work to do. At least, if they want my money anyway. If they don't, hey, continue slacking.

Missions
10-28-07, 06:58 PM
I don't see how anyone can be 100% happy with their format if it doesn't have 100% studio support. I mean seriously guys, how happy are you when a movie you want comes out on the format you don't own? 80%? 90%? Maybe, but 100%? C'mon, be realistic.

+1

And that's why I'm neutral. ;)

ABCD
10-28-07, 07:24 PM
100% happy? Of course not. I would say I am about 40% happy, which is still pretty good.

Now if Sony drops out of the picture, I would go format neutral, and that would increase my level to 50%.

Soon after that, BR & HD-DVD will merge into a single format retaining the strengths of each. That would take me to 60%.

Then of course all titles would be released with up to 96/24 lossless, givng us an exact copy of the master, while at the same time having great PQ & all the extras. That takes me to 70%.

Then my dozen "must have" titles, none of which have yet been released, gets released. 80%.

And all of the titles which have already been released get redone properly, especially those compromised-sounding Warner titles. 90%.

Then all the studios realize the inconveniences that have been causing their paying customers, and release without copy protection. 100%.

That should keep me happy for the next 12 months. :)

PopcornReady
10-28-07, 07:30 PM
And that's why I'm neutral. ;)

If you have already spent $2k or more being "neutral" -- two early adopter format players and software -- I can understand being "happy": you have access to 500 titles instead of the 300 titles the single format folks have at this time.

However what makes me happy is superb XA2 Reon Chipset upconversion of my DVD library ... and the ability to also enjoy some fine full hidef titles with many more to look forward to. :)

Timothy Ramzyk
10-28-07, 08:19 PM
From a software/technical standpoint 100%, my stuff all looks and sounds great (Fountain excepted), and so far I'm at 100% play-through rate on combos.

Pie in the sky? Make the players DVD region-free and Pal-converting.

My biggest issue is the number of titles I truly desire on either format.

MASrules
10-28-07, 08:32 PM
I am 99.8% happy with Blu-ray at the moment.

No problems with playback at all on the PS3 (plus it provides more "extras" than all HD DVD discs combined).

Most good titles are available on Blu-ray, many more than are available on HD DVD.

We need one format, and it is not HD DVD.

hAPPY1977
10-28-07, 09:06 PM
I'm happy with both formats. PS3 as a player is just superior in loading time and sound producing. Whenever I play BD movies, my volume is -6db, but on my A35, it has to be +6 to get a better sound.

josephmckinney
10-28-07, 10:04 PM
I'm extremely happy with both formats. The only thing I feel Blu Ray is currently lacking on is the lack of DTS-HD MA support from players.

Urza
10-28-07, 10:07 PM
I am 99.8% happy with Blu-ray at the moment.

No problems with playback at all on the PS3 (plus it provides more "extras" than all HD DVD discs combined).

Most good titles are available on Blu-ray, many more than are available on HD DVD.

We need one format, and it is not HD DVD.


I am 99.8% happy with HD DVD at the moment.

No problems with playback at all on the A35.

Most good titles are available on HD DVD many more than are available on Blu-Ray.

We need one format, and it is not Blu-Ray.

:D

makingmusic476
10-28-07, 10:28 PM
No, because it doesn't have Transformers, and the LotR: EEs are still a long way off.

But other than that, I'm ace. All the movies I own have excellent PQ (Underworld 1&2, Kingdom of Heaven, and PotC 1&2), and the only other films I want are the Harry Potter films (on the way), Transformers, and, most important of all, the LotR: EEs.

A.VOID
10-28-07, 11:48 PM
I am not 100% happy with HD DVD due to combo issues, and now the latest missing firmware/ software updates to make Transformers run without a hitch on my AO.

The combo crap has pi$$ed me off the most, however I can say that I hate watching SD after going to HD DVD.

paintit77
10-29-07, 12:01 AM
100% Happy with HD-DVD

50% Happy with BR.

The issue I have is the specs. They suck. I do a lot of home HD recording with my camcorders and when I create in BR (I have a burner) only three of the BR players will play the final movies. They are inconsistant in terms of how they allow people with HD camcorders to encode in the format. With HD-DVD, it is so easy and I can use existing recordable DVD+/-R's and the finished product will play on every player in existance.

BR needs to fix this ASAP!

Blumoon
10-29-07, 12:04 AM
Given that we are early adopters, I have been happy thus far. I have been extremely pleased with Apocalypto, POTC1&2, CR, OS, PE, 300, TF, etc etc.

I wanted HD and I got it. Am I disappointed at the catalog and day and date release? Sure, who isnt. But figuring I am dual format for $800 last year, I think I made out.

Early adoption has its drawbacks, but I have been building a HDM library and enjoying it pretty much since it started.

dakota81
10-29-07, 12:05 AM
Heh, just rename this thread to the "I love hd dvd thread". Neither format is perfect. God forbid anyone mention any faults in their chosen format.

peteer01
10-29-07, 12:31 AM
I'm 100% happy with HD DVD as a medium for audio/video content if TL51 works with all HD DVD players and is cost effective for studio, as I'd like to see +3 hours movies in high quality with extras on a single disk.

As for the future of storage and interactive content (PC/gaming use), I'd like far more space and bandwidth than either HD DVD or BR support, but I don't want that extra cost in my HDM player, so no worries.

jclark67
10-29-07, 01:21 AM
I am format neutral, and I really want to like one format better than the other. But I can't.

I think I could really love blu if they would drop the BD-J stuff. It really takes way too long to load and doesn't seem to really buy me anything.

HD DVD is pretty stable and works as advertised, but I think that movies on my BD player are better. I know there is really not supposed to be a difference, but I have watched several HDs then watched a BD and I am in awe of the PQ. It just might be that the movies that I bought were poor transfers. I haven't checked.

eizenga13
10-29-07, 01:43 AM
Can someone be 150% happy, I chose HD DVD in 2005 and still stick with it today! YEAH!

s2mikey
10-29-07, 08:40 AM
80% - 90% satisfied with each format. If I have any nitpicks they are these:


Some transfers are complete disappointments
The audio is not as consistent as it should be across all titles
Still waiting for some key catalog titles from each format
Pricing for discs needs to stay @ $20 or less all the time


Otherwise, pretty damned pleased with these formats.... :)

Calamus
10-29-07, 09:18 AM
After seeing all the bickering, I'm just curious if you guys are actually happy with your format?

Would you change anything about your format (strictly technology wise, which means barring studio support)?

For example, if you are an HD DVD person, would you want more disc space and bandwidth that Blu-Ray offers (discounting the proposed TL51, I mean), and if you're a Blu-boy, would you like the interactivity that HD DVD offers or the finalized specs?

Personally, I prefer HD DVD but for the interactivity and finalized specs (IMHO, the cons of disc space/bandwidth are outweighed with the next gen features).

A blend of the two technologies would be ideal...BD's space and bandwidth coupled with HD DVD's interactivity/finalization. Again, IMHO, if the TL51 comes out, I'll be 100% happy with the HD DVD technology. On the flip side, if Blu-Ray gets their profiles sorted out and offers the stuff HD DVD can do today with the added benefit of the storage/bandwidth, I'd be 100% happy with that.

I would like it if Blu-Ray had all the same interactive features as HD-DVD as long as each new title released didn't cause me to sit through patches. I have no interest in those features, but as in your quote above you do so to match feature to feature with HD-DVD and exceed its physical specs would be a good thing for HDM as a whole and especially for Blu-Ray. I just played a BD movie last night where the pop-up was avaiable, did the popup to see what it looked like, scaned the features and went back directly to the movie and never went back.

Calamus
10-29-07, 09:24 AM
I don't see how anyone can be 100% happy with their format if it doesn't have 100% studio support. I mean seriously guys, how happy are you when a movie you want comes out on the format you don't own? 80%? 90%? Maybe, but 100%? C'mon, be realistic.

Agree also,
I have 90% of what I want on BD without resorting to expensive imports, but I do want Bourne, not enough to buy a player, and I have many, many more titles to replace it with, but I do admit that this is one I will miss.

Calamus
10-29-07, 09:31 AM
I am happy with BLURAY all the way. I have an HD A2 for HDDVD's and will be happy with HDDVD when I have my 5000. I am tired of cheaply made cheap HDDVD players. Well I'll be completely happy once combos go away... I like movies to much on both sides that I am unwilling to choose one format.
Thats one thing the HD-DVD could do to improve their image, but I'm pretty sure they won't. I will never buy a 1080i player, unfourtunally many people have been lured by it's low cost. When you compare a feature equivalent HD-DVD to BD, you find the prices are much more compariable.

Calamus
10-29-07, 09:38 AM
If you are 100%ish happy with your Blu-ray, why are you waiting for a $1000 5000 Combo player when you already have a $200 player capable of delivering HD DVD?

That $1k would buy a LOT of Blu-ray/HD DVD discs without replacing any hardware .... or are you looking for an excuse to dump your $500+ investment in a your Blu-ray player?
I guess he is unwilling to settle for a second rate player like the A2 that doesn't deliver 1080p or 1080p/24. No way I would I ever downgrade to 1080i for my movies, cable is bad enough since I don't have 1080p as an option.

Tolstoi
10-29-07, 09:50 AM
I am 100% satisfied with HD DVD
I will be 100% satisfied with Blu-Ray when the profile 1.1 mess will be resolved.

mproper
10-29-07, 10:19 AM
I don't see how anyone can be 100% happy with their format if it doesn't have 100% studio support. I mean seriously guys, how happy are you when a movie you want comes out on the format you don't own? 80%? 90%? Maybe, but 100%? C'mon, be realistic.

My original post said "strictly technology wise, which means barring studio support" and probably should also mean excluding price (since technology and price are two separate things).

Glad to see the discussion has remained civil for the most part.

Since everyone is throwing out percentages, I will say that I'm about 95% happy with HD DVD, and about 60% happy with BD at this point (due to lack of interactivity...again important to me. But that will probably go up with profile 1.1 if it can provide similar functionality to what HD DVD offers).

oscar_in_fw
10-29-07, 10:33 AM
I'm the glass half empty-type. I'm not 100% happy with both formats because both formats have released their share of "lemons"; Particularly with the Universal releases. Too many of the Warner and early Sony releases have too much "soft" content. If the Master video had 3-Dish, sharp images, I want the video encode to be that good too or at least not immediately obviously different (too often not the case). And of course anything without lossless audio tracks need to be re-released with master audio soundtracks.

For $30-40, I want the absolute best the studios can give me. With few exceptions, I don't think I'm seeing it from Universal, Warners, and Paramount.

ComputerCowboy
10-29-07, 11:17 AM
For a long time I didn't like either format for their crappy players, now that I have a PS3 I am much happier with BD than I was. I used to have the BD-P1000 which was total crap. I am thinking that I will like the 360+HD-DVD better than my HD-A2.

The movies are great, the standalone players and movie selection leave a lot to be desired.

It's the little things as far as the library goes, if they make Casino and Goodfellas HD-DVD why not Scarface? Where is Gladiator, Last of the Mohicans, LOTR, Star Wars? New releases are great but the catalog from any studio just sucks.

Why do some movies still look sooo bad? The Fugitive, Traffic WTF?
Oh yea "House of Flying Daggers" what the hell happened there?

audioNeil
10-29-07, 11:57 AM
I guess he is unwilling to settle for a second rate player like the A2 that doesn't deliver 1080p or 1080p/24. No way I would I ever downgrade to 1080i for my movies, cable is bad enough since I don't have 1080p as an option.

Wow, I didn't know that 1080i60 == crap. Thanks for enlightening me. :rolleyes:

I'm 90% happy with HDDVD. I wish the playback was as robust as a regular DVD player (playing scratched and dirty disks), and I wish the boot and load times were faster. Other than that, its awesome.

As for 24p -- come on -- this is fanboyism. To those that care, yes I'd like Toshiba to get the XA2 fixed. I'm one of the few that can actually take advantage of it (Pioneer Elite Pro-150FD) and 1080i is still great.

Brian Hampton
10-29-07, 12:16 PM
Hi,

I figure I'm 97% happy with my chosen format ,.. Blu Ray.

The discs look and sound perfect (naturally some are done better then others though) and I've never had a glitch playing them on my PS3.

Because I have a PS3 there's a lot of other fun stuff my blu ray player can do like serve as a juke box with the Hard drive full of audio and video files and stream additional content over the network via media servers. Plus it has a great web browser built in with no need to think about virus and spyware and all that. Also it takes my digital camera's memory card directly and makes nice photo slide shows which always puts a smile on the face of my friends and family. It's like a multi-media swiss army knive because it's so versitile and I know it will be updated to whatever the final profile of the format is because it is and always will be the best selling Blu Ray player.

So,.. where does the 3% "unhappy" come from? Well,.. I don't care about In Movie Experience stuff with picture in picture so Blu Ray could have skipped the new profile thingie which held back mass adoption of the format. Also it may take months before Paramount goes back to being neutral and Universal starts releasing Blu Rays.

Also,.. since HD DVD still lingers on, when neutral studios make encodes, like the recent WB Kubrick titles,.. they work to fit them on a lower capacity and lower bandwidth HD DVD and then they just port them over to Blu Ray. So,.. the inferior specifications of HD DVD tend to affect Blu Rays coming from neutral studios.

-Brian

chirpie
10-29-07, 01:13 PM
At this point, I'm happier with my software than my hardware. And by that I'm not talking about my PS3.

I now want to upgrade my Projector to a 1080p model, and I want to buy a better screen to project it on. I also want to have new speakers across my front.

When I had DVD, my system was more than capable to show it's warts. Thanks to HDM, my upgrade path has started all over again!

^_^

Hayrab
10-29-07, 02:42 PM
I could care less about interactivity, I just buy movies for the movie and thats all. I don't have to worry about finalized specs b/c I have a PS3, the only thing I wish for is that I could have Transformers on BR with Lossless audio.

Btw, I own almost as many HD-DVDs as I do BR, but I prefer BR.

Lee Stewart
10-29-07, 02:44 PM
I could care less about interactivity, I just buy movies for the movie and thats all. I don't have to worry about finalized specs b/c I have a PS3, the only thing I wish for is that I could have Transformers on BR with Lossless audio.

Btw, I own almost as many HD-DVDs as I do BR, but I prefer BR.

OK - your opinion (really your mantra) concerning IME and IF. What about the masses? Do you think they will enjoy them?

Hayrab
10-29-07, 02:50 PM
OK - your opinion (really your mantra) concerning IME and IF. What about the masses? Do you think they will enjoy them?

I always saw all extras as a enthusiast type offering. Sure Ive watched the extras on my top 5 movies just because I watch them very often and figured what the hay. Even then I found them drab and boring for a subject I was definitely interested in.

I honestly do not know one person, friend, family etc.... 50+ people that any of them regularly or have EVER watched special features.

Lee Stewart
10-29-07, 02:53 PM
I always saw all extras as a enthusiast type offering. Sure Ive watched the extras on my top 5 movies just because I watch them very often and figured what the hay. Even then I found them drab and boring for a subject I was definitely interested in.

I honestly do not know one person, friend, family etc.... 50+ people that any of them regularly or have EVER watched special features.

Well you must admit that is a very small sample compared to all the DVD owners.

But the studios want it and it's their movies so like it or not IME and IF are here to stay. Of course no one has to experience them - that is a personal issue that IMO can't be argued against. Like trying to argue ones favorite color. Just nice to have them incase . . .:)

coolhand
10-29-07, 05:55 PM
I think anyone that is 100% satisfied is letting their format off the hook. Both sides have a lot to work on.

That said, I am 82% happy with HD DVD to this point (b-). You just never know what kind of transfer you are going to end up with and in atleast one case I popped it back open to make sure I hadn't bought SD (40yo V). I HATE that I have to update firmware. This is a hassle for me and I would imagine will be more so for an average comsumer.

Still, I am thrilled that so many of my favorites have been completely reborn to me and I still find myself watching hours when I meant to just watch one scene. No matter what people say about things being too expensive I find REAL value in HD. I mean black Friday will have an A3 with two tentpole movies and another 5 for less than those 7 should cost. I just got in on the 360 add-on and I am pretty sure I got PAID to take an HD player. Best of all, it changes the way I watch movies and I doubt I will ever buy another SD DVD.