I recently went to a couple of local Zeller's Stores, here in Canada, and what do I see? Paramount Blu Ray titles for sale. Why would this be unusual? These two Zeller's Stores just recently started to sell High Def Disks, after the Paramount sellout. Is Paramount distributing back catalogue Blu Ray titles to whoever will take them off of their hands? I thought going HD DVD exclusive meant not distributing Blu Ray Disks, after August 20th. Apparently not, from what I've seen.

They stopped producing BD titles when they went neutral. There was never anything said that indicated they were going to destroy what had already been produced, or bury it all in a big hole somewhere.

Paramount said they won't print anymore. If there is a back up of unsold Blu-Ray movies I don't see why Paramount wouldn't try to milk the Blu-Ray owners for their money so they can use it towards more HD DVD releases.

They stopped producing BD titles when they went neutral. There was never anything said that indicated they were going to destroy what had already been produced, or bury it all in a big hole somewhere.
I guess that they're going to sit on all of those copies of Blades Of Glory, until their exclusivity contract runs out. Just goes to show what kind of whores that they are. Hypocrites or Businessmen or both, in my book.

I guess that they're going to sit on all of those copies of Blades Of Glory, until their exclusivity contract runs out. Just goes to show what kind of whores that they are. Hypocrites or Businessmen or both, in my book.

he says through his tears :o

he says through his tears :o

Priceless.

10/10

That's actually a good point. Why wouldn't they just release them since they've already made them? It's not like one more BD title would doom HD DVD... LOL.Because the BD Paramount titles are outselling the HD DVD Paramount titles on most weeks, two months after their payoff.

he says through his tears :o

Priceless.

10/10

+1 :D

I recently went to a couple of local Zeller's Stores, here in Canada, and what do I see? Paramount Blu Ray titles for sale. Why would this be unusual? These two Zeller's Stores just recently started to sell High Def Disks, after the Paramount sellout. Is Paramount distributing back catalogue Blu Ray titles to whoever will take them off of their hands? I thought going HD DVD exclusive meant not distributing Blu Ray Disks, after August 20th. Apparently not, from what I've seen.

It's just overstock that hasn't been sold off yet. You can't expect the studios or the stores to simply throw the disks away just because they switched sides.

Because the BD Paramount titles are outselling the HD DVD Paramount titles on most weeks, two months after their payoff.

Ayup. At how many units?

Even 100,000 means diddly. It's more about the studio selecting the format to carry them into the future. HD-DVD.

I believe that the announcement from Paramount said that as of August 20th - Paramount BD titles will be limited to existing stock.

BTW - Paramount does not have warehouses with stocks of movies in them. They sell to wholesalers . . . who have warehouses full of movies.

Because the BD Paramount titles are outselling the HD DVD Paramount titles on most weeks, two months after their payoff.

If BD Paramount titles are such hot sellers, how come they're still readily available today?:rolleyes:

"Is Paramount Still Distributing Back Catalogue BD Titles? "

Answer: No.

You guys have to understand, in each of PrinceLH's posts, he MUST mention Paramount's "150 million bribe" or he spontaneously combusts.

Because the BD Paramount titles are outselling the HD DVD Paramount titles on most weeks, two months after their payoff.Oh by the way how was Transformers on BD.:D

Oh by the way how was Transformers on BD.:D

Do you really want to play the "exclusive movies" card?

That comment is ridiculous. I could say the same thing about the Transformers HD DVD being on store shelves everywhere. So you see how silly that comment is now?

No you couldn't.

The OP's point was that: if Paramount titles were such hot sellers on BD, there wouldn't be any left because they've stopped being produced.

That comment is ridiculous. I could say the same thing about the Transformers HD DVD being on store shelves everywhere. So you see how silly that comment is now?

That comment is ridiculous. Paramount is currently pressing HD DVD copies of Transformers. Paramount also said they are not pressing any more copies of Blu-Ray movies. So you see how silly that comment is now?

he says through his tears :o

This post made me smile. :)

The master of spin strikes again. My point is that there are unsold copies of just about every title on both formats available on store shelves and that that fact alone doesn't mean those discs were not hot sellers. Are there BD and HD DVD copies of Warner's 300 collecting dust on store shelves? Were they not "hot sellers"?

But 300 is currently being pressed by Warner for both HD DVD and Blu-Ray. MI:III, Flags of our Fathers, and all other Paramount and Dreamworks Blu-Ray titles are NO LONGER BEING PRESSED. That means no new stock to replenish titles that are currently on the shelfs. Is this really that difficult to grasp? I'll try to simplify it for you

Two Scenarios
1. One copy of 300 on the shelf for Blu-Ray.
The copy is sold.
Warner currently presses 300 for Blu-Ray.
The store says "We are out of 300 on Blu-Ray. Lets order some more"
Stock replenished, more 300 Blu-Ray is on the shelf

2. One copy of MI:III on the shelf for Blu-Ray.
The copy is sold.
Paramount no longer presses MI:III for Blu-Ray.
The store says "We're out of MI:III on Blu-Ray. Lets order some more... wait you mean Paramount discontinued this item? Ok so it looks like no more MI:III on Blu-Ray"
Stock not replenished, no more MI:III on Blu-Ray is on the shelf

Get it now?

FWIW: While browsing the HDM shelves at various stores, I tend to notice the minute amounts of Paramount titles available on BD.

So I'm fairly certain (damn sure) that Paramount is no longer pressing any previously released BD catalog titles.

It's you that doesn't "get it." I know all of that. You're missing the point spinboy.

Please explain. Clearly most of us here don't get your point.

Instead of name-calling, why don't you just explain yourself. I sincerely don't get your point.

You guys have to understand, in each of PrinceLH's posts, he MUST mention Paramount's "150 million bribe" or he spontaneously combusts.

+1

If BD Paramount titles are such hot sellers, how come they're still readily available today?:rolleyes:

That comment is ridiculous. I could say the same thing about the Transformers HD DVD being on store shelves everywhere. So you see how silly that comment is now?

It's you that doesn't "get it." I know all of that. You're missing the point spinboy.

Please explain. Clearly most of us here don't get your point.

Instead of name-calling, why don't you just explain yourself. I sincerely don't get your point.

hdhabit please do explain because clearly no one understands what you're trying to say. Instead of explaining you resorted to the typical name calling. Put up or quietly back out.

Paramount said they won't print anymore. If there is a back up of unsold Blu-Ray movies I don't see why Paramount wouldn't try to milk the Blu-Ray owners for their money so they can use it towards more HD DVD releases.

You're probably right.
The profit margin on Blu-ray disks are 2:1 compared to HD DVD and that could put a pretty good chunk of change in the pocket of Paramount since Transformers on HD DVD didn't sell as well as they expected.:)

You're probably right.
The profit margin on Blu-ray disks are 2:1 compared to HD DVD and that could put a pretty good chunk of change in the pocket of Paramount since Transformers on HD DVD didn't sell as well as they expected.:)


I'm still curious how the highest and fastest selling movie on either medium constitutes not selling as well as they expected.

Transformers on HD DVD didn't sell as well as they expected.

:confused: ...I wouldn't mind viewing those 2 brain cells you have left duking it out, heck I'd pay for front row tickets.

I'm still curious how the highest and fastest selling movie on either medium constitutes not selling as well as they expected.

Transformers HD DVD selling less than 300 on Blu-ray had to hurt and feel like a failure. Especially after making the 190K sold number before the Nielson numbers came out to put a spin on the actual number that was a lot less, which they probably knew but they had to do damage control because in the end, they will need to answer to their investors that they could of easily had double the sales/profits if they stayed neutral.

Transformers HD DVD selling less than 300 on Blu-ray had to hurt and feel like a failure. Especially after making the 190K sold number before the Nielson numbers came out to put a spin on the actual number that was a lot less, which they probably knew but they had to do damage control because in the end, they will need to answer to their investors that they could of easily had double the sales/profits if they stayed neutral.

Viacom is a $10 billion company. You think their investors care about a couple of million dollars? Versus the $150 million they got to offset that?

Transformers HD DVD selling less than 300 on Blu-ray had to hurt and feel like a failure.

Maybe, but I'm sure that "150 million" softened the sting considerably. :D

I received the below email from Amazon last night. I think it lends support to those who believe that Paramount is not currently still having additional copies of its previous Blu-ray releases made.

For those of you who receive such email notifications, you might want to save it (them) in a folder. They may come in handy for you in the future.

Hello from Amazon.com.

We are sorry to report that we will not be able to obtain the
following item(s) from your order:

Robert DeNiro (Actor), et al "The Untouchables (Special Collector's
Edition) [Blu-ray]"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product..........

Though we had expected to be able to send this item to you, we've
since found that it is not available from any of our sources at this
time. We realize this is disappointing news to hear, and we apologize
for the inconvenience we have caused you.

We must also apologize for the length of time it has taken us to reach
this conclusion. Until recently, we had still hoped to obtain this
item for you.

We have cancelled this item from your order.

While this item is not available directly from Amazon.com, you may be able
to purchase it from one of the many other sellers with product listings on
Amazon.com. Please click on the link above to visit the product detail page.
If the item is available from a third-party seller, you will see a "Used & new"
link on the product detail page that will provide a list of merchants currently
selling the item.

Note: If you took advantage of a promotional offer when placing this
order, this cancellation may affect your order's eligibility for that
offer. If this is the case, please contact customer service; if we
determine that you should still receive the offer, we'll reimburse you
for the value of the promotional discount. Please note that this will
not apply if all items in the order were cancelled.

For more details about the status of this order, please visit Your Account:

Edit to add: By the way, interestingly enough I still have not received such an order cancellation on "Blades of Glory". That order still shows as pending. Occasionally Amazon will send a delayed shipping notification and an option to accept or cancel. If you are in that situation I'd advise not cancelling. That may come in handy for you later.

You're probably right.
The profit margin on Blu-ray disks are 2:1 compared to HD DVD and that could put a pretty good chunk of change in the pocket of Paramount since Transformers on HD DVD didn't sell as well as they expected.:)

I would like a source confirming this. After all there is a big difference between profit margins and units sold.

Since there is no such source (to my knowledge) you should just admit to lying right now. hdhabit has been caught, you are next.

I would like a source confirming this.

Ditto, never seen anything close to that reported.

I guess that they're going to sit on all of those copies of Blades Of Glory, until their exclusivity contract runs out. Just goes to show what kind of whores that they are. Hypocrites or Businessmen or both, in my book.

Boy...when you bought that PS3 you bought more than a machine....you bought a CAUSE. I sure hope you don"t feel that way with every appliance that you buy.

Boy...when you bought that PS3 you bought more than a machine....you bought a CAUSE. I sure hope you don"t feel that way with every appliance that you buy.

Heh, couldn't help but think of 'A Token of My Extreme' when I got to that last line.

Transformers HD DVD selling less than 300 on Blu-ray had to hurt and feel like a failure. Especially after making the 190K sold number before the Nielson numbers came out to put a spin on the actual number that was a lot less, which they probably knew but they had to do damage control because in the end, they will need to answer to their investors that they could of easily had double the sales/profits if they stayed neutral.

My, how some of you go hard on conspiracy theories. People like you who think the Neilson numbers are the "hard" numbers remind me of the folks on the video game side who think the NPD is the be-all-end-all.

So far I have yet to see a Paramount press release that corrects or retracts their numbers. So please show me a link where you have the inside information that Paramount didn't sell 190k worth of Transformers inside AND OUTSIDE of neilson.

You can't, so you have to hang onto what you said and hope you're right.

BTW, do you disagree that you could have said your last sentence about any Blu-ray only studio? Or does your hypocrisy meter not turn on at that point?

I would like a source confirming this. After all there is a big difference between profit margins and units sold.

Since there is no such source (to my knowledge) you should just admit to lying right now. hdhabit has been caught, you are next.
You are way to heated(lobbyist) about my post.
It was supposed to be sarcastic. You know, the 2:1 ratio.:rolleyes:
*shrugg*

My, how some of you go hard on conspiracy theories. People like you who think the Neilson numbers are the "hard" numbers remind me of the folks on the video game side who think the NPD is the be-all-end-all.

So far I have yet to see a Paramount press release that corrects or retracts their numbers. So please show me a link where you have the inside information that Paramount didn't sell 190k worth of Transformers inside AND OUTSIDE of neilson.

You can't, so you have to hang onto what you said and hope you're right.

BTW, do you disagree that you could have said your last sentence about any Blu-ray only studio? Or does your hypocrisy meter not turn on at that point?

Take 2.
http://www.weaselcircus.com/funnypics/chillpill.jpg

You are way to heated(lobbyist) about my post.
It was supposed to be sarcastic. You know, the 2:1 ratio.:rolleyes:
*shrugg*

That was suppose to be sarcastic? Sounds like someone knows they got caught in a lie.

Pot Kettle Black Kettle, that was a pathetic back pedal

I'm still curious how the highest and fastest selling movie on either medium constitutes not selling as well as they expected.

I thought 300 still beat Transformers -- at least according to Nielsen?

And come to think of it, I haven't seen a Paramount PR statement saying "Oh wait, Nielsen is wrong! Here are the real numbers!"

That comment is ridiculous. I could say the same thing about the Transformers HD DVD being on store shelves everywhere. So you see how silly that comment is now?

Transformers was released on Oct 16th. That's less than 2 weeks ago. The Paramount BD titles have been out there since at least August 20th. That's over 2 months ago and they're a discontinued product to boot. Bad comparison, dude.

I would like a source confirming this. After all there is a big difference between profit margins and units sold.

Since there is no such source (to my knowledge) you should just admit to lying right now. hdhabit has been caught, you are next.

Busted!;)

Id guess no any remaining discs may just be backstock. That will sell till all gone.

That was suppose to be sarcastic? Sounds like someone knows they got caught in a lie.

Pot Kettle Black Kettle, that was a pathetic back pedal
Alrighty then. What ever makes you feel better. :rolleyes:

btw:
Did you hear Transformers HD DVD wasn't the number 1 HDM disc sold to date.:D

And come to think of it, I haven't seen a Paramount PR statement saying "Oh wait, Nielsen is wrong! Here are the real numbers!"
They rather be slient than be called on their bluff.

Alrighty then. What ever makes you feel better. :rolleyes:

btw:
Did you hear Transformers HD DVD wasn't the number 1 HDM disc sold to date.:D

To-date? It's only been out 5 minute!

Wow 42, that was your big response huh? Well, I guess when you have nothing else to argue with, go to big pictures.

Remind me to stop taking you seriously. I still do from time to time. :/


I thought 300 still beat Transformers -- at least according to Nielsen?

And come to think of it, I haven't seen a Paramount PR statement saying "Oh wait, Nielsen is wrong! Here are the real numbers!"

Last I checked Nielson isn't the final tally either. Those trumpeting the Nielson numbers won't tell you that. And for good reason. Nielson is like the NPD, they are always lower than the total number. I don't know the percentage, but for comparison NPD is usually 10-15%.

So you aren't going to see Paramount challenge the Nielson numbers because those are a part of the overall 190k. They gave their numbers once already. I don't think they have to go back and give them again.

Wow 42, that was your big response huh? Well, I guess when you have nothing else to argue with, go to big pictures.

Remind me to stop taking you seriously. I still do from time to time. :/




Last I checked Nielson isn't the final tally either. Those trumpeting the Nielson numbers won't tell you that. And for good reason. Nielson is like the NPD, they are always lower than the total number. I don't know the percentage, but for comparison NPD is usually 10-15%.

So you aren't going to see Paramount challenge the Nielson numbers because those are a part of the overall 190k. They gave their numbers once already. I don't think they have to go back and give them again.Well, Transformers has now sunk to 24th rank on the current Amazon top sellers list. It certainly has no where near the legs that 300 had. 300 remained in 3rd place for an extended time. If HD-DVD is going to depend upon Transformers to do the heavy lifting, somebody's going to be bitterly disappointed.


http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/index.cfm

Well, Transformers has now sunk to 24th rank on the current Amazon top sellers list. It certainly has no where near the legs that 300 had. 300 remained in 3rd place for an extended time. If HD-DVD is going to depend upon Transformers to do the heavy lifting, somebody's going to be bitterly disappointed.


http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/index.cfm

Really? I just went to HDD's Customizable chart, punched in 300, set the date for October 15th, then did a 90 day span. Looks to me like the movie started dipping below 3rd place around the beginning of August. Not long after the movie came out.

So exactly what is "an extended time" to you?

And of course you failed to mention that since pre-orders started for Transformers on September 7th, only 3 days has the ranking slipped below 30, and actually stayed above 20 the entire month of October until..........oh...........today.

BTW, not to throw monkeys into wrenches or anything, but you don't think now that retail outlets are selling HD DVD players for $198, that more copies of the movie won't be sold along with it? Of course you don't Whip. :rolleyes:

Really? I just went to HDD's Customizable chart, punched in 300, set the date for October 15th, then did a 90 day span. Looks to me like the movie started dipping below 3rd place around the beginning of August. Not long after the movie came out.

So exactly what is "an extended time" to you?

And of course you failed to mention that since pre-orders started for Transformers on September 7th, only 3 days has the ranking slipped below 30, and actually stayed above 20 the entire month of October until..........oh...........today.

BTW, not to throw monkeys into wrenches or anything, but you don't think now that retail outlets are selling HD DVD players for $198, that more copies of the movie won't be sold along with it? Of course you don't Whip. :rolleyes:Well, it's now down to 26th place. Slip, sliding away.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/index.cfm

Well, it's now down to 26th place. Slip, sliding away.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/index.cfm


The only thing Blu-ray fanboys can't decide more than if the PS3 counts as a Blu-ray player, is if Amazon rankings mean anything.

If things like this have to make you feel better about your format choice, then so be it. But way to gloss over the rest of my post. I do understand why. :rolleyes:

Oh by the way how was Transformers on BD.:DI'll let you know, in just under 16 months!:D:D:D

I'll let you know, in just under 16 months!:D:D:D

Source?

Or is that just speculation? I will go with the latter.

Source?

Or is that just speculation? I will go with the latter.

More like wishful thinking. Or maybe hope against hope?

Or lots of alcohol? :)

Boy...when you bought that PS3 you bought more than a machine....you bought a CAUSE. I sure hope you don"t feel that way with every appliance that you buy.
I hate to disappoint you Louigi, but I don't own a PS3. I'm not a gamer. I own a Samsung BD P1000 and 47 Blu Ray flicks to play on them. All I ever wanted was an end to the format war and all I got was another whore called Microsoft extending it, with the payoff to Paramount. This format war could have been tied up, last summer, if the BDA had been doing their job and dropped the hammer on HD DVD, before the money arrived. Now, we have a bunch of unsuspecting people buying cheap A2's, that are only 1080i compliant, that will just be ripped off by the two hookers, Paramount and Microsoft. These people will never see Disney, Fox or Sony movies, unless they cut their loses on the A2's and buy a Blu Ray player.

Source?

Or is that just speculation? I will go with the latter.Maybe you'll just have to wait and find out. By then, you may be watching it on Blu Ray!;););)

More like wishful thinking. Or maybe hope against hope?

Or lots of alcohol? :)Isn't that what the HD DVD crowd do, every week before the Neilson Numbers arrive? The alcohol comes later, when they need to wash away their sorrow. Then they log on at AVS and make their thoughts known. That's when the voice of reason arrives and say's, we are the acolytes, you are already assimilated. Resistance is futile. Then the cycle repeats itself, for another week!;);););)

I hate to disappoint you Louigi, but I don't own a PS3. I'm not a gamer. I own a Samsung BD P1000 and 47 Blu Ray flicks to play on them. All I ever wanted was an end to the format war and all I got was another whore called Microsoft extending it, with the payoff to Paramount. This format war could have been tied up, last summer, if the BDA had been doing their job and dropped the hammer on HD DVD, before the money arrived. Now, we have a bunch of unsuspecting people buying cheap A2's, that are only 1080i compliant, that will just be ripped off by the two hookers, Paramount and Microsoft. These people will never see Disney, Fox or Sony movies, unless they cut their loses on the A2's and buy a Blu Ray player.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...cheese with your whine!!!!!!! You sure take this 'war' seriously, eh Princess??? Microsoft is a whore..........and Sony??? We still love you Princess! :D

Paramount never said they were recalling any existing stocks that were in distribution or at the retail level. They just said there would be no replenishment once existing stocks were exhausted.

They did however say they were not going to send out or ship any more of the existing items out and were going to cancel SKUs of non released Blu-ray titles, like BOG.

That would normally mean destruction of the voided SKU items.

Originally Posted by PrinceLH
I hate to disappoint you Louigi, but I don't own a PS3. I'm not a gamer. I own a Samsung BD P1000 and 47 Blu Ray flicks to play on them. All I ever wanted was an end to the format war and all I got was another whore called Microsoft extending it, with the payoff to Paramount. This format war could have been tied up, last summer, if the BDA had been doing their job and dropped the hammer on HD DVD, before the money arrived. Now, we have a bunch of unsuspecting people buying cheap A2's, that are only 1080i compliant, that will just be ripped off by the two hookers, Paramount and Microsoft. These people will never see Disney, Fox or Sony movies, unless they cut their loses on the A2's and buy a Blu Ray player. Woah, kinda emotionally invested here.

Just a couple bits to consider.

Most consumers will do just fine with 1080i60 output of 1080p24 authored content.

Disney and Fox may in the future change their minds and publish on HD DVD and you need to now buy a HD DVD player to get that HD DVD content for Universal Paramount and Dreamworks and other Viacom studios.

Isn't that what the HD DVD crowd do, every week before the Neilson Numbers arrive? The alcohol comes later, when they need to wash away their sorrow. Then they log on at AVS and make their thoughts known. That's when the voice of reason arrives and say's, we are the acolytes, you are already assimilated. Resistance is futile. Then the cycle repeats itself, for another week!;);););)
I think the usual routine is that many brush their teeth and then drink coffee before they check to see if the Borg implants are working properly.

Well, Transformers has now sunk to 24th rank on the current Amazon top sellers list. It certainly has no where near the legs that 300 had. 300 remained in 3rd place for an extended time. If HD-DVD is going to depend upon Transformers to do the heavy lifting, somebody's going to be bitterly disappointed.


http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/index.cfm The rankings on Amazon are relative to DVD sales going on at the time.

Its a relative ranking.

As volumes change, the units sold for each ranking level also are different.

Oct Nov Dec DVD sales volumes are double the rest of the months in the year.

A lower ranking on Amazon now is actually being compared to a higher volume time of the year batch of DVD sales.

Its very possible that a lower ranking on todays Amazon charts may actually be selling a higher unit volume that it would have earlier in the year.

I'm still curious how the highest and fastest selling movie on either medium constitutes not selling as well as they expected.

+1

Exactly! LOL

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...cheese with your whine!!!!!!! You sure take this 'war' seriously, eh Princess??? Microsoft is a whore..........and Sony??? We still love you Princess! :DYeah, I do take it seriously. I hate seeing the uneducated bullied by a bunch of paid off Microsoft lakies, who reside at AVS. The only reason I come here, is to try and get to the truth of the matter. People need to have both sides of the story on what to buy in the HDM sector. I have been here at AVS for over 7 years and have less than 500 posts. I see, people with thousands of posts in less than a year and realize that there are Microsoft shills doing business here. I don't pretend to be anything more than I am, a Blu Ray supporter. I would have rather not had to choose a side but was forced in to it by the AV community who couldn't agree on a unified format. I looked at all aspects of what each format had to offer and picked the one who had the best chance for adoption. More storage capacity, studio support and a choice of hardware makers were the determining factors. Both products are very good, but one has to win at the expense of the other. I don't need some shill yelling at me, or anyone else, to make a calculated decison on which format is the best. Blu Ray won, fair and square.

Woah, kinda emotionally invested here.

Just a couple bits to consider.

Most consumers will do just fine with 1080i60 output of 1080p24 authored content.

Disney and Fox may in the future change their minds and publish on HD DVD and you need to now buy a HD DVD player to get that HD DVD content for Universal Paramount and Dreamworks and other Viacom studios.So much for the quote: The Look And Sound Of Perfection.

It should read: The look and sound of just good enough.

Blu Ray won, fair and square.
Blu-ray won? awesome now go get some much needed rest and move onto other things.

Blu-ray won? awesome now go get some much needed rest and move onto other things.As soon as the Microsoft shills move on and allow fair discussion on these topics.

As soon as the Microsoft shills move on and allow fair discussion on these topics.

What about the Sony Shills?

Yeah, I do take it seriously. I hate seeing the uneducated bullied by a bunch of paid off Microsoft lakies, who reside at AVS. The only reason I come here, is to try and get to the truth of the matter. People need to have both sides of the story on what to buy in the HDM sector. I have been here at AVS for over 7 years and have less than 500 posts. I see, people with thousands of posts in less than a year and realize that there are Microsoft shills doing business here. I don't pretend to be anything more than I am, a Blu Ray supporter. I would have rather not had to choose a side but was forced in to it by the AV community who couldn't agree on a unified format. I looked at all aspects of what each format had to offer and picked the one who had the best chance for adoption. More storage capacity, studio support and a choice of hardware makers were the determining factors. Both products are very good, but one has to win at the expense of the other. I don't need some shill yelling at me, or anyone else, to make a calculated decison on which format is the best. Blu Ray won, fair and square.

Have you checked out the $198 HD-DVD players at Walmart? How about the $197 HD-DVD players at Target and Circuit City? How about the $169 HD-DVD players at Sears?

More storage capacity and bitrate mean nothing when you don't sell any over priced v1.0 players.

Let's face it. HD-DVD is pulling out the stops and I dare to say Bluray has nothing in defense except the same tired arguments that have been beat down over and over and over.

Really? I just went to HDD's Customizable chart, punched in 300, set the date for October 15th, then did a 90 day span. Looks to me like the movie started dipping below 3rd place around the beginning of August. Not long after the movie came out.

So exactly what is "an extended time" to you?

And of course you failed to mention that since pre-orders started for Transformers on September 7th, only 3 days has the ranking slipped below 30, and actually stayed above 20 the entire month of October until..........oh...........today.

BTW, not to throw monkeys into wrenches or anything, but you don't think now that retail outlets are selling HD DVD players for $198, that more copies of the movie won't be sold along with it? Of course you don't Whip. :rolleyes:


Busted: Part 2.

I'll let you know, in just under 16 months!:D:D:D

With the Blitzkreig assualt that HDDVD has the Xmas, don't hold your breath buddy. And get ready to kiss Warner goodbye too!:D

I'll let you know, in just under 16 months!:D:D:D

I think Bluray has less than 6. It's terminal now.

I hate to disappoint you Louigi, but I don't own a PS3. I'm not a gamer. I own a Samsung BD P1000 and 47 Blu Ray flicks to play on them. All I ever wanted was an end to the format war and all I got was another whore called Microsoft extending it, with the payoff to Paramount. This format war could have been tied up, last summer, if the BDA had been doing their job and dropped the hammer on HD DVD, before the money arrived. Now, we have a bunch of unsuspecting people buying cheap A2's, that are only 1080i compliant, that will just be ripped off by the two hookers, Paramount and Microsoft. These people will never see Disney, Fox or Sony movies, unless they cut their loses on the A2's and buy a Blu Ray player.

1080i doesn't matter when most people have a display that's only 720P. And unless you display is a POS, then the 1080i will be properly deinterlaced to 1080P.

And soon, BluRay only owners will never see Paramount, Universal or Warner movies unless they cut their loses on the PS3 or obsolete profile 1.0 BR Players and buy a HDDVD player.

With the Blitzkreig assualt that HDDVD has the Xmas, don't hold your breath buddy. And get ready to kiss Warner goodbye too!:DIf it happens, it happens. I'll get over it. Then I wait for a low price dual player. I also believe that Blu Ray will also have something to say on where this goes. They're not just going to sit back and allow HD DVD to do this without a pre-emptive strike elseware. I am also certain that we will see a sub $300.00 Blu Ray machine by Black Friday. We may also see a software assault, at lower prices than HD DVD. It worked once and may work again. If they do nothing, then they deserve to lose. I, however, will continue to support Blu Ray, until there is an end to this madness and we can all move on united under one HD Media.

Blu Ray won, fair and square.

Speaking of schills you sound exactly like a member of the BDA.

I think Bluray has less than 6. It's terminal now.And then you can go back to your day job, at Microsoft, if it happens.

The only thing Blu-ray fanboys can't decide more than if the PS3 counts as a Blu-ray player, is if Amazon rankings mean anything.

If things like this have to make you feel better about your format choice, then so be it. But way to gloss over the rest of my post. I do understand why. :rolleyes:

Wait just a minute. Who has the trouble deciding if a PS3 is a player or not? When the HD group finally decides to either call it a player or not get back to me. Because it seams the definition changes from press release to press release.:p But anyway thanks for the laugh, they just keep coming this weekend.:D

Speaking of schills you sound exactly like a member of the BDA.
Look at the number of years that I've been a member at AVS and ask yourself. I've been an A/V enthusiast, since the early 1970's. I was an early adopter of Quadraphonic, through HDTV, to Blu ray. I have posts throughout the AVS forums, over the years. More than I can say about many of the MS Shills that are here to corrupt the minds of newbies who may be looking for useful information.

If it happens, it happens. I'll get over it. Then I wait for a low price dual player. I also believe that Blu Ray will also have something to say on where this goes. They're not just going to sit back and allow HD DVD to do this without a pre-emptive strike elseware. I am also certain that we will see a sub $300.00 Blu Ray machine by Black Friday. We may also see a software assault, at lower prices than HD DVD. It worked once and may work again. If they do nothing, then they deserve to lose. I, however, will continue to support Blu Ray, until there is an end to this madness and we can all move on united under one HD Media.

Toshiba has done an exceptional job the past few weeks in getting A2s to the stores at a critical pricepoint. It remains to be seen what the BDA has up their sleeves but even a $299 BluRay on Black Friday might not be enough, especially considering it will most likely be non-upgradeable to profile 1.1.

Look at the number of years that I've been a member at AVS and ask yourself. I've been an A/V enthusiast, since the early 1970's. I was an early adopter of Qadraphonic, through HDTV, to Blu ray. I have posts throughout the AVS forums, over the years. More than I can say about many of the MS Shills that are here to corrupt the minds of newbies who may be looking for useful information.

Just saying that you sound like one since the BDA loves to announce over and over again that the war is over.:rolleyes:

I am also certain that we will see a sub $300.00 Blu Ray machine by Black Friday.

I thought the Bluray mantra was that low priced hardware was never the answer. Bluray would win based on it's "superior" bitrate and storage? Are you now saying Bluray doesn't have a hope to win based on technical merit and that instead they must stoop to HD-DVD levels by offering cheap hardware?

Which is it? Is price the single most important factor in format adoption or is it technical merit?

Sony & their BDA has repeatedly stated that the will not lower hardware prices because they are offering "high quality" which can not be sold inexpensively.

Do you agree that the public could give a rats ass about bitrate or lossless or storage space and instead they really only care about if they can afford the player or not?

Just saying that you sound like one since the BDA loves to announce over and over again that the war is over.:rolleyes:If you re-read my post, you'll notice that it was my personal opinion. Blu Ray won in my eyes, because of the 50GB Disk capacity, over the 30Gig HD DVD. In February, when I bought my machine, Paramount was still format neutral and Universal stood alone at HD DVD. I chose Blu Ray because of those items. It does not make me a BDA shill, it makes me an informed consumer. I couldn't care less who made the machines, or who made the software. Blu Ray was the leader, still is, but HD DVD is trying to make up ground. I just want an end to the madness, as an HDM consumer. My Samsung is only my first HDM capable machine that I will buy. I've already owned 7 DVD players, since my early adoption of DVD. My first DVD player was a Toshiba. It didn't have progressive scan or DTS and cost me $1000.00. Something similar to my first CD player in 1983. I still have my first CD, in pristine condition, just like my first DVD. I am no shill, I am an informed consumer that won't roll over to the acolyte MS types in this forum, that I have been a contibuing member for over 7 years!

I thought the Bluray mantra was that low priced hardware was never the answer. Bluray would win based on it's "superior" bitrate and storage? Are you now saying Bluray doesn't have a hope to win based on technical merit and that instead they must stoop to HD-DVD levels by offering cheap hardware?

Which is it? Is price the single most important factor in format adoption or is it technical merit?

Sony & their BDA has repeatedly stated that the will not lower hardware prices because they are offering "high quality" which can not be sold inexpensively.

Do you agree that the public could give a rats ass about bitrate or lossless or storage space and instead they really only care about if they can afford the player or not?

Excellent post - kudo's - I agree 100% with it.:)

I thought the Bluray mantra was that low priced hardware was never the answer. Bluray would win based on it's "superior" bitrate and storage? Are you now saying Bluray doesn't have a hope to win based on technical merit and that instead they must stoop to HD-DVD levels by offering cheap hardware?

Which is it? Is price the single most important factor in format adoption or is it technical merit?

Sony & their BDA has repeatedly stated that the will not lower hardware prices because they are offering "high quality" which can not be sold inexpensively.

Do you agree that the public could give a rats ass about bitrate or lossless or storage space and instead they really only care about if they can afford the player or not?Your words, not mine. Just like defeating Transformers on week 42, Blu Ray will also find a way to keep winning, each week. If it means loss leaders, like HD DVD, then so be it. Personally, I would prefer a lower software option, but that may not be enough to get the consumers to mass adopt Blu Ray, in Q4. If you believe that the BDA will sit back and allow HD DVD to out market them, then you are naive. By even suggesting this, either makes you naive, or part of the MS gang that presides here. May I ask: Do you work for Microsoft or any subsidary of MS and or Toshiba?

Excellent post - kudo's - I agree 100% with it.:)Of course you would. Your part of the problem. Amazing how the shills have turned this thread into something unresembling the original question. Is Paramount distibuting Blu Ray software titles to new HDM B & M stores? Zellers, Canada, has never sold HDM, until just recently. Explain the Paramount BD's on their shelves?

Is Paramount distibuting Blu Ray software titles to new HDM B & M stores? Zellers, Canada, has never sold HDM, until just recently. Explain the Paramount BD's on their shelves?

They aren't selling. Probably aren't the stereotypical "Gamer" titles that sell well on the PS3 format.. err. I mean Bluray format.

Of course you would. Your part of the problem. Amazing how the shills have turned this thread into something unresembling the original question. Is Paramount distibuting Blu Ray software titles to new HDM B & M stores? Zellers, Canada, has never sold HDM, until just recently. Explain the Paramount BD's on their shelves?

Part of the problem? What problem is that?

The Paramount situation as you describe it . . . existing inventory from wholesalers. Very simple. The terms of their contract with the HD DVD PG calls for the instant halt of manufacturing and selling BD movies as of 8/20/07.

Your words, not mine. Just like defeating Transformers on week 42, Blu Ray will also find a way to keep winning, each week. If it means loss leaders, like HD DVD, then so be it. Personally, I would prefer a lower software option, but that may not be enough to get the consumers to mass adopt Blu Ray, in Q4. If you believe that the BDA will sit back and allow HD DVD to out market them, then you are naive. By even suggesting this, either makes you naive, or part of the MS gang that presides here. May I ask: Do you work for Microsoft or any subsidary of MS and or Toshiba?

I think the majority of people are very surprised that Toshiba players are available for such a low price. I paid $499 for my HD A1 last spring and the A2 was released at the same price. Maybe this has been one of the best-kept secrets in electronics history and the BDA are caught with their pants down. You never know.

Dear PrinceLH:

Your complaint of "shills" is getting really old and is starting to sound abusive, fanboish and childish.

You should be commenting on the points discussed, rather than attacking the posters.

Your acting like a spoiled child who is having his toy being taken away.

You are taking this stuff too seriously, and you are becoming abusive in your claims. :(

I hate to disappoint you Louigi, but I don't own a PS3. I'm not a gamer. I own a Samsung BD P1000 and 47 Blu Ray flicks to play on them. All I ever wanted was an end to the format war and all I got was another whore called Microsoft extending it, with the payoff to Paramount. This format war could have been tied up, last summer, if the BDA had been doing their job and dropped the hammer on HD DVD, before the money arrived. Now, we have a bunch of unsuspecting people buying cheap A2's, that are only 1080i compliant, that will just be ripped off by the two hookers, Paramount and Microsoft. These people will never see Disney, Fox or Sony movies, unless they cut their loses on the A2's and buy a Blu Ray player.Isn't that what the HD DVD crowd do, every week before the Neilson Numbers arrive? The alcohol comes later, when they need to wash away their sorrow. Then they log on at AVS and make their thoughts known. That's when the voice of reason arrives and say's, we are the acolytes, you are already assimilated. Resistance is futile. Then the cycle repeats itself, for another week! Of course you would. Your part of the problem. Amazing how the shills have turned this thread into something unresembling the original question. Is Paramount distibuting Blu Ray software titles to new HDM B & M stores? Zellers, Canada, has never sold HDM, until just recently. Explain the Paramount BD's on their shelves?Yeah, I do take it seriously. I hate seeing the uneducated bullied by a bunch of paid off Microsoft lakies who reside at AVS, . The only reason I come here, is to try and get to the truth of the matter. People need to have both sides of the story on what to buy in the HDM sector. I have been here at AVS for over 7 years and have less than 500 posts. I see, people with thousands of posts in less than a year and realize that there are Microsoft shills doing business here. I don't pretend to be anything more than I am, a Blu Ray supporter. I would have rather not had to choose a side but was forced in to it by the AV community who couldn't agree on a unified format. I looked at all aspects of what each format had to offer and picked the one who had the best chance for adoption. More storage capacity, studio support and a choice of hardware makers were the determining factors. Both products are very good, but one has to win at the expense of the other. I don't need some shill yelling at me, or anyone else, to make a calculated decison on which format is the best. Blu Ray won, fair and square. = :As soon as the Microsoft shills move on and allow fair discussion on these topics. If it happens, it happens. I'll get over it. Then I wait for a low price dual player. I also believe that Blu Ray will also have something to say on where this goes. They're not just going to sit back and allow HD DVD to do this without a pre-emptive strike elseware. I am also certain that we will see a sub $300.00 Blu Ray machine by Black Friday. We may also see a software assault, at lower prices than HD DVD. It worked once and may work again. If they do nothing, then they deserve to lose. I, however, will continue to support Blu Ray, until there is an end to this madness and we can all move on united under one HD Media
:And then you can go back to your day job, at Microsoft, if it happens.Look at the number of years that I've been a member at AVS and ask yourself. I've been an A/V enthusiast, since the early 1970's. I was an early adopter of Quadraphonic, through HDTV, to Blu ray. I have posts throughout the AVS forums, over the years. More than I can say about many of the MS Shills that are here to corrupt the minds of newbies who may be looking for useful information. If you re-read my post, you'll notice that it was my personal opinion. Blu Ray won in my eyes, because of the 50GB Disk capacity, over the 30Gig HD DVD. In February, when I bought my machine, Paramount was still format neutral and Universal stood alone at HD DVD. I chose Blu Ray because of those items. It does not make me a BDA shill, it makes me an informed consumer. I couldn't care less who made the machines, or who made the software. Blu Ray was the leader, still is, but HD DVD is trying to make up ground. I just want an end to the madness, as an HDM consumer. My Samsung is only my first HDM capable machine that I will buy. I've already owned 7 DVD players, since my early adoption of DVD. My first DVD player was a Toshiba. It didn't have progressive scan or DTS and cost me $1000.00. Something similar to my first CD player in 1983. I still have my first CD, in pristine condition, just like my first DVD. I am no shill, I am an informed consumer that won't roll over to the acolyte MS types in this forum, that I have been a contibuing member for over 7 years! Your words, not mine. Just like defeating Transformers on week 42, Blu Ray will also find a way to keep winning, each week. If it means loss leaders, like HD DVD, then so be it. Personally, I would prefer a lower software option, but that may not be enough to get the consumers to mass adopt Blu Ray, in Q4. If you believe that the BDA will sit back and allow HD DVD to out market them, then you are naive. By even suggesting this, either makes you naive, or part of the MS gang that presides here. May I ask: Do you work for Microsoft or any subsidary of MS and or Toshiba? Of course you would. Your part of the problem. Amazing how the shills have turned this thread into something unresembling the original question. Is Paramount distibuting Blu Ray software titles to new HDM B & M stores? Zellers, Canada, has never sold HDM, until just recently. Explain the Paramount BD's on their shelves?




Yeah, I do take it seriously

Maybe you need to take it a little less seriously?

I mean just saying......

If BD Paramount titles are such hot sellers, how come they're still readily available today?:rolleyes:

That's a totally unfair question that requires an unbiased answer :D

That's a totally unfair question that requires an unbiased answer :D

Maybe they were hot sellers before the Paramount buy out. After that, the Blu-ray fanbase decided to boycott them. :D

I was going through some of the Blu-ray Paramount titles on Amazon and it seems many of the titles are now only being sold through re-sellers so I guess available stocks are depleting.

On one hand though I'm kind of surprised that BR supporters havent used the chance to grab up alot of these titles before they become extinct.

I wonder what the availabilty will be after the coming holidays

Prince, take a MAJOR CHILL PILL!

I was going through some of the Blu-ray Paramount titles on Amazon and it seems many of the titles are now only being sold through re-sellers so I guess available stocks are depleting.

On one hand though I'm kind of surprised that BR supporters havent used the chance to grab up alot of these titles before they become extinct.

I wonder what the availabilty will be after the coming holidays

Why would I support a company that turns there back on me? Besides you can pick most up used for less than $15.

Yeah, I do take it seriously. I hate seeing the uneducated bullied by a bunch of paid off Microsoft lakies, who reside at AVS. The only reason I come here, is to try and get to the truth of the matter. People need to have both sides of the story on what to buy in the HDM sector. I have been here at AVS for over 7 years and have less than 500 posts. I see, people with thousands of posts in less than a year and realize that there are Microsoft shills doing business here. I don't pretend to be anything more than I am, a Blu Ray supporter. I would have rather not had to choose a side but was forced in to it by the AV community who couldn't agree on a unified format. I looked at all aspects of what each format had to offer and picked the one who had the best chance for adoption. More storage capacity, studio support and a choice of hardware makers were the determining factors. Both products are very good, but one has to win at the expense of the other. I don't need some shill yelling at me, or anyone else, to make a calculated decison on which format is the best. Blu Ray won, fair and square.

Take a step back and relax! NOBODY forced you to choose a side. Buying both or neither are options as well. You said yourself "both products are very good", so IF you truly care about HDM first and foremost, get both and enjoy ALL the movies. Honestly, you come across as just a bitter old fart, no offense! Good luck...

I guess that they're going to sit on all of those copies of Blades Of Glory, until their exclusivity contract runs out. Just goes to show what kind of whores that they are. Hypocrites or Businessmen or both, in my book.

sour grapes?

Well, it's now down to 26th place. Slip, sliding away.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/index.cfm
Do you ever change the tune?

Do you ever change the tune?

Ruh roh, it climed back to 23. I guess that will shut him up for a while. :)

Why would I support a company that turns there back on me? Besides you can pick most up used for less than $15.

It was a corporate decision. You make it sound like they did this to spite you personally. LOL!

Dear PrinceLH:

Your complaint of "shills" is getting really old and is starting to sound abusive, fanboish and childish.

You should be commenting on the points discussed, rather than attacking the posters.

Your acting like a spoiled child who is having his toy being taken away.

You are taking this stuff too seriously, and you are becoming abusive in your claims. :(







Maybe you need to take it a little less seriously?

I mean just saying......

I think he's being a little hot-headed and dramatic about it.
But I think he's on the money.

I've suggested several times that people on this board at least say what parent company they are offiliated with and got crickets.

Real name, exact job title ,I guess some of those things could get some people in trouble.
But the insiders do some of it!
We know who Amir is! We know who Talkstr8t is! We know who Kjack is! At least they are forthcoming and honest.
It makes me respect what they have to say even if its something neg about Blu Ray which I strongly support.

I do find it interesting that when someone steps outta line and says "you work for MS" or TS or whoever. You get responses about the posters behavior but noone denying they are a shill. Sure the behaviour is wrong and that should be dealt with.. but at least deny the accusation. If you were accused of such and werent guilty, there'd be no harm in saying. "hey, not me!"

Sadly, due to the anonemity of the net, you cant prove anything.
So its kinda pointless to accuse people of such things. But if I just had to bet or just speculate.
I'd say if the war ended tomorrow there would be a deafing silence in many of these areas. And people getting promoted or demoted behind the scenes.

Maybe, maybe not...
We'll see someday.

Carry on...

You're probably right.
The profit margin on Blu-ray disks are 2:1 compared to HD DVD and that could put a pretty good chunk of change in the pocket of Paramount since Transformers on HD DVD didn't sell as well as they expected.:)

You've got that backwards, if anything - Blu-ray disc manufacturing/mastering costs are 30-50% higher, plus the added costs of of low yields (having to make 200,000 discs to get 100,000 sellable units).

But in all reality, we have no completely accurate knowledge of profit margins for either formats, so we probably shouldn't speculate.

EDIT: I just considered the possibility that you don't know what "profit margin" means, and you actually mean profit dollars for all total sales. In that case, you could be right, assuming that HD DVDs don't have dramatically better profit margin than BD discs, and that sales of BDs were significantly higher.