Trying to make a final decision here on power protection for a projector.

I currently have a unused P300 that I was thinking of using for protecting a projector. I have never used the p300 with a projector so I have no idea if the projector will benefit from anything the p300 has to offer. all I know is that I never really heard a difference with my audio components using it.

I have a box in the ceiling and instead of figuring out a way of mounting the p300 on the ceiling I was thinking it might make more sense to just sell the 300 and purchase the soloist instead. the only problem is that I have no experience with the soloist and I'm not sure if it's worth spending the money on it and investing the time to install it.

anyone know if a projector takes advantage of a PS audio P300 offerings?

anybody know if the soloist is any descent???

also, I have been contemplating purchasing the power plant premier but am wondering why there are always so many for sale on audiogon at any given day. Anyone have any experience with them. Are they good for something or just more hype???

Thanks.

also, I have been contemplating purchasing the power plant premier but am wondering why there are always so many for sale on audiogon at any given day. Anyone have any experience with them. Are they good for something or just more hype???

Thanks.

Check PSAs own forums and the audio asylum power forum. There has been alot of issues with these.

And what specific power problems do you have that you need one of these things?

for the problems I have (brown outs) I would be better off buying a battery backup. The only problem is I haven't found one that would do justice to a audio system. I've tried a few (some of them mammoths) and none of them were good solutions.

Basically I am looking for something to protect a projector and provide it cleaner power. the P300 will cleans up the power and I sort of like the idea of providing the projector with a consistent sin wave. I'm just wondering if projectors benefit from all this. I've tried both p300 and 600. 600 currently in the system (and I can't wait to unload this monster). I definitely don't experience the night and day differences that people talk about with either (lots of hype out there) but I figure, hey, if I can provide my gear some cleaned up power then it can't be all that bad for the gear. but I'm thinking that If power plants don't truly add any benefits for projectors, then why not just go with a good conditioner that also protects.

What about something like the panamax in-wall kit ($300 retail) and just run the power down into the other conditioner etc?

The Soloist should work nicely for your projector for you in wall power plug. I was the first to use one (other than PS Audio folk, I beta tested it). Its not the be all or end all. You can use another power conditioner after it if you like.

Odds are your projector uses too much power for the P300. It may handle it, but in a capacity and hot fashion, leading to the picture degrading over time. I found that years ago with my Dwin HD-700 CRT projector.

On the other hand, the current PS Audio Premier Power Plant handles 1500 watts on one circuit. Works great for all of my audio and video gear except I do not plug my amplifiers into it, they go straight into the wall.

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the info. good point with the power capabilities of the p300. It definitely doesn't have enough juice for the pearl, but I do plan on selling that piece of **** projector anyway. I guess I can temporarily run it on the PLV-Z4 I have. but again, that is temporary. I haven't decided on my next 1080P projector yet (definitely not going to be the black pearl) but I should plan for higher power requirements just in case.

so that leaves me with a p500 or a PPP, unless there is anything else out there that is slim enough to install on a ceiling above a projector. a p500 should have more than enough juice for most, if not all, current digital projectors.

What would be the advantages for video going with a ppp over a p500???

I can't find squat on technical reviews of the PPP. the only thing I found was on 6moons which was absolutely useless. I'm sure if I ask the ps audio folks they will tell the the PPP is better and that's it. I'm wondering if anyone has ever compared the two and if anyone has ever put the PPP under a microscope. Difference or no difference I'm going to replace the P600 with a PPP for my rack (I'm sick of dealing with that monstrosity). I'm just not sure if it's worth spending the money for another one if I can get the same benefit from a p500 for one projector.

Any word if ps audio will come out with a smaller version of the PPP. If the PPP does offer greater advantages than a p500 for video, it still to big for a single device like a projector.

thoughts anyone

What about something like the panamax in-wall kit ($300 retail) and just run the power down into the other conditioner etc?

This is actually a great idea, especially if it excepts power cords greater that 10 feet. My only problem is that I literally just finished putting the final coat of mud on my drywall. I spent that last week running all my cables into the ceiling including power line to the projector.

I wish I saw this before. can it be used with a longer power cable? how fat is the cable that it comes with. do the plugs install after the cable has been routed through the ceiling?

Go to the PS Audio website forum and search down the reviews, including the one I wrote (its a quote from my review thats in PS Audio current monthly Premier ads like in Stereophile).

The Premier is much improved over PS Audio's prior regeneration units - power, efficiency, not getting real warm or hot like the old ones. Works great using the Soloist as the in wall outlet. Thats what I do.

I use a 25' Granite Audio power cord from the Premier up to my Dwin CRT projector, no problem.

Not one issue with my Premier since I got it last December. Its been fantastic!!!

for the problems I have (brown outs) I would be better off buying a battery backup. The only problem is I haven't found one that would do justice to a audio system. I've tried a few (some of them mammoths) and none of them were good solutions.

Basically I am looking for something to protect a projector and provide it cleaner power. the P300 will cleans up the power and I sort of like the idea of providing the projector with a consistent sin wave. I'm just wondering if projectors benefit from all this. I've tried both p300 and 600. 600 currently in the system (and I can't wait to unload this monster). I definitely don't experience the night and day differences that people talk about with either (lots of hype out there) but I figure, hey, if I can provide my gear some cleaned up power then it can't be all that bad for the gear. but I'm thinking that If power plants don't truly add any benefits for projectors, then why not just go with a good conditioner that also protects.



Just be aware that PSA like other companies will not give you anything for your gear if an d when it gets blown up. There have been several threads from lots of people who hoped for help from these companies, but none has come. PSA has publicly stated that they will not warrant your gear or even the PPP after brown outs, lightning etc.. Your best defense is a umbrella home owner policy.

Also if you are looking for something magical to happen to your audio from one of these things that is just not going to happen. Room treatments and things like that will make improvements.

Also what is "dirty" about your power? Have you had a qualified electrician check it out?

Hey speco,

I thought that these devices were protected against surges, lightning etc. correct me if I'm wrong but the power plants protect against these events.

I'm not looking for anything magical, As I mentioned, I already have a P600 and P300 (although I haven't used the P300 in years, I just haven't gotten around to selling it) I personally don't hear the difference in sound with or without either. I basically bought them to supply a better more consistant sine wave for my gear as well as to protect everything.

As far as dirty power goes, well, I haven't hooked up an oscilloscope to anything, yet.. but, I am currently living in a 35 year old condo that I recently moved into. The whole building is filled with zinsco circuit boxes and breakers. Now if you know anything of zinsco breakers your probably asking yourself how the building managed to survive without burning down this long. considering the back plates of all the boxes are made of aluminum (about 40 year old aluminum) I think it's safe to say that chances are I won't have clean power. but again I haven't checked it yet. all I know is that our last place was much newer and we didn't have clean power there, then again, we had blackouts about once a week all year round. (what can I say about South East MI, Everything around here is a **** hole, except for the lakes which I currently live on). anyway, it's all temporary as were working on building a new home but I figure that I might as well make the most of it, that and stay out of trouble.

Steve, I would need about a 30 to 40 feet of cable, there is no way I am passing 30 to 40 foot power cord through the walls, but, if I was to re-route the power in the ceiling I have going to the projector to a outlet near my av rack, then I can plug a cable to it from let's say a PPP and I'm done. any issues with doing so?

Does anyone know if there there are issues using 30 to 40 feet of 15 amp power line as a patch panel for a projector????

So I just got off the phone with the PS Audio folks.

They say that there is no real issue with running a patch power cord to a PPP except for the longer the cable length between the PPP and the projector, the more noise the line will pickup, which completely negates the line filtering capabilities of the PPP. the voltage supply and the sine wave advantages stay the same and aren't an issue. Basically, I will have a good sine wave to the projector but I will also have noise going to it as well and I can't do anything significant about it except to try a better shield the cable. they also said that I can't use a soloist after the PPP, only before it, so I can't clean the line with a conditioner.

They also bring up the point that 1 PPP might not be enough for all my gear. I am able to run everything off a P600 at the moment and it is somewhat tight. I was planning on plugging my HTPC to the PPP but it has a 750 watt power supply so I have to look into it.

I'm thinking just go with a soloist to clean and protect the line a bit and be done. If I'm going to end up with noise, I might as well pick the easier of the two solutions, although it would be nice to better protect the projector since the soloist is limited in it's protection capabilities.

They say that there is no real issue with running a patch power cord to a PPP except for the longer the cable length between the PPP and the projector, the more noise the line will pickup, which completely negates the line filtering capabilities of the PPP.What about the 50 miles of noise that your power lines picked up delivering the power to your home?

[QUOTE=Zoubs;12044297]Hey speco,

I thought that these devices were protected against surges, lightning etc. correct me if I'm wrong but the power plants protect against these events.

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Where does it say that on the PSA site? I know it did at one time, but then a customer had a lightning strike issue and PSA on the forums said they did not cover it, then removed it from the website. You called them today did you ask them? And yes read Chus question then ask PSA that question.

Depending upon the model, they protect against extended overvoltages (which isn't a surge) and/or spikes and glitches. If one of your goals is to guard against surges due to lightning and other such matters, first get a whole house system in place. Then you can use just about whatever your little heart desires as a secondary means. The whole house approach directs the vas majority of the surge to earth ground. What comes through is enormously reduced in magnitude and a variety of devices can deal with that at price points that are comfortable for you.

Not to sure about the whole house system. 1st, I don't have a whole house anymore, I have a condo with a sub panel for a main. 2nd, You might be able to sell a freezer to an Eskimo, but your not selling a whole condo system idea to the wife. :)

I asked about the protection coverages, and no, they don't cover everything, and yes, I think that's ******** considering the price of the device, but hey, that's the way the egg rolls!

and yes, Power lines do gather lots of noise by the time they come to the house. As I previously mentioned, South East MI SUCKS for power as is.

but let's say that the PPP does clean some of it up, do I believe what I was told this morning that even though it does clean it up, the lines connected to it's receptacle will collect noise based on their lengths? Of course they will, The only question is how much! Personally I'm not going to sweat over it because I think it will be totally insignificant.

I also have the advantage of generating a consistent sine wave to the projector as well as the rest of the gear, which would be unaltered over the length I need.

Whether all the multi-wave stuff will make everything better? Personally, No, I don't think it will make any difference at all. I haven't heard a difference on the audio side (and I'm sure I have components that would make the difference pretty apparent), I doubt I will see a difference on the video side but at a base level, if the product does what it says it does, which is regenerate the sine wave coming into it and provide some protection while filtering some of the noise, then hey, F*&K it, that's all I wanted anyway. If I can purchase another device that is the same size and would do the same job, I would contemplate it. If you guys have any ideas feel free to mention them. That's why I started this thread, to find reasonable alternatives.

at the moment the AV rack is wired to it's own dedicated circuit. the outlet at the projector is sharing a connection with 2 dimmers, 1 ceiling fan, and 4 sockets.

I'm going to re-route the outlet at the projector using a 20 amp romex next to the Rack outlet. I'm then going to connect a nema 15 Plug to the romex that I can use to plug straight into the P600. that should give me a good idea on whether it makes a difference or not. if it doesn't, then I can always Share the the rack curcuit with the projector and install a soloist on the projector side.

Ultimately I want to unload the P600, all I hear is grief over it. "It's so big" "it's so ugly" "can't you stuff it in the closet", Just like the peanuts gang listening to grown ups, all I hear is "wah wah wahh awaahhh.. Will a PPP make it better? Your guess is as good as mine, but it is more convenient to own over the P600 and the P300 for that matter. The way I look at it, making the changes mentioned above has to be better than the current video power configuration.

If there is a device that is the same size or smaller that will provide the same functions (or more) as the PPP, and is cheaper (Think much cheaper than list price) then I am all ears.

Thanks,

Here are a couple of pics of some of the racks at my current show. We do not have fancy cables or outlets or any sort of power conditioners. We do have UPS on some things. Nothing fancy and it all performs up to spec as it should.We measure and check things on a daily and weekly basis. Dont waste your money on these sorts of things. Put the money where it matters. Room tuning, new bulbs, speakers whatever just not this sort of thing.

You can easily do a 'whole house' for a couple of hundred. OTOH, it might be a moot point if your homeowners covers full replacement costs for electronic items damaged by a surge.

Here are a couple of pics of some of the racks at my current show. We do not have fancy cables or outlets or any sort of power conditioners. We do have UPS on some things. Nothing fancy and it all performs up to spec as it should.We measure and check things on a daily and weekly basis. Don't waste your money on these sorts of things. Put the money where it matters. Room tuning, new bulbs, speakers whatever just not this sort of thing.


Room tuning, That's funny considering your talking to the first person to buy a SP495. I've been tuning rooms for quite a while and believe it's the most important part of a Theater experience. Even more so than calibrating a monitor in my opinion, which I have also been calibrating for quite a while.

New bulbs, Well, I'm not buying any more bulbs for the good for nothing pearl, I'd rather give it away, which is what I most likely going to do. I'm just going to buy a new projector, Not sure which one yet. I have a temporary Z4 and an older PLV-70 (I don't know why but I still love that projector, I just can't get myself to sell it) that can get me by if I'm done with the room before I get a new one.

Speakers, Well I had three revel salons in front but sold one since I moved. (My old room was over double the size of the new one plus pull down perf sucks from up close. Now I have two plus the voice and embraces for surrounds. although I have been looking at the Genelec pros. they definitely have my interest. Wondering if they would be better than 3 salons and three studio. that was my old goal that I never got to accomplish. Looks liek the Genelecs might be better for smaller rooms. the salons are definitely to big for the one there in.

Receiver, I settled with theta CB3 with full extremes, had them from when they first came out with the CB2. the unit wasn't worth squat until they made the extremes. but I would consider it a total dinosaur right now. still sounds good for home theater though.


All I want is to make a final decision on a new amps to replace the temp I have (I did a pretty large bake off this summer, still got two more to go before I decide), a power solution and a good remote control.

and now your making me feel bad for wanting an updated power solution!!! Thanks buddy!!!! :D

I'm just kidding,,, I know you meant well. I agree with you in a big way though, there is tons of hype out there, and most people can't seem to accept that the little stuff, like room tuning is so much more important than nearly everything else.

The fact that I can't find one technical breakdown review on a PPP after its been out for so long, leads me to to believe they don't want anyone to break them down yet. The old ones were put under a microscope upon release. these have been out for nearly a year and nothing of value???

BUT,, The old ones did do the one job of regenerating a sine wav and they did it well. Did I ever hear the difference,,,no. They also cleaned the lines and protected to a certain extent. did I ever hear the difference,,, no! will the PPP be better,,,, probably not, I feel confident that it will do the base function that the others did just as good, and it's easier to handle. I could make and extension to our place with the P600

As I mentioned speco, I'm looking for solutions, You mentioned you use UPS's, which ones. I have tried medium sized and large ones from HP, compaq APC and ,, Wait,, let me brace myself because this always hurts,,,,,,,, dell there, I said it, which was nothing more than another APC. My experience is that they create noise, in some case real bad.

BTW, I re-routed the projector outlet. what a pain! What is it about me. I always say I'm never going to mess with something again only to end up messing with it!!

You can easily do a 'whole house' for a couple of hundred. OTOH, it might be a moot point if your homeowners covers full replacement costs for electronic items damaged by a surge.


Full repalcement cost, so they say. Yet to be tested and hoepfully never will be.

"You can easily do a 'whole house' for a couple of hundred" How so? I would need to tap into the main, The main is located in another part of the building. The unit has it's own sub, which is a sub to the building main, which is a sun to the property main.

How would I do it for the unit?

Ultimately I want to unload the P600, all I hear is grief over it. "It's so big" "it's so ugly" "can't you stuff it in the closet", Just like the peanuts gang listening to grown ups, all I hear is "wah wah wahh awaahhh.. Will a PPP make it better? Your guess is as good as mine, but it is more convenient to own over the P600 and the P300 for that matter. The way I look at it, making the changes mentioned above has to be better than the current video power configuration.

If there is a device that is the same size or smaller that will provide the same functions (or more) as the PPP, and is cheaper (Think much cheaper than list price) then I am all ears.

Thanks,

I had two P600s for years, now replaced by one Premier. And everything looks and sounds as good if not better than with the P600s.

You will not convince Chu or Speco. On any of this stuff.

Here are a couple of pics of some of the racks at my current show. We do not have fancy cables or outlets or any sort of power conditioners. We do have UPS on some things. Nothing fancy and it all performs up to spec as it should.We measure and check things on a daily and weekly basis. Dont waste your money on these sorts of things. Put the money where it matters. Room tuning, new bulbs, speakers whatever just not this sort of thing.

If you significant other has racks as good as the ones you build, you are in good shape!!! If not, I'm sure Chu can get you pictures of good racks to look at, then at least you'll have something. And I'm talkin' racks with real equipment, not audio video at all.

Full repalcement cost, so they say. Yet to be tested and hoepfully never will be.True, but might be a good time to ask questions about your policy to get a better understanding of how you're covered. The warranties for stuff you'd buy is generally pro-rated. Fairly useless.
How would I do it for the unit?
I don't know the exact particulars so rather than trust anything I say, why not call up your local electrical supply house (not HD or Lowes) and ask them? Also, many companies that sell these products (Siemens, Eaton, Intermatic, Delta, etc.) have toll free numbers where you can be routed to an applications specialist. Give 'em a call.

You will not convince Chu or Speco. On any of this stuff.
I can only speak for myself. For surge protection as it's properly applied, you're right. As PSA redefines and twists the term to meet what their products do, not a chance in hell. I haven't addressed anything else.

Here is a post from a fellow who has what seems a simple problem from the ols P500.I cant reply to the message to tell the guy this as PSA has blocked my IP on this forum. The truth hurts.

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/psaudio/messages/1/11158.html

Here is what PSA on the website says about its miralce P500
Quote"While no surge or transient is able to get through the “brick wall” of the Power Plant AC regenerator, we needed to provide absolutely bulletproof protection for both the regenerator itself and the Ultimate Outlet and anything connected to the Ultimate Outlet.

Featured inside the P500 is a new level of surge protection currently found on all of our Ultimate Outlets of late. The first stage of surge and spike protection is provided by six 1.5kv Tranzorbers that together provide up to 9000kv of surge protection. As a secondary measure, we also use four 10,000 amp MOV’s!
In the unlikely event that a surge comes along that’s big enough to overpower the Tranzorbers, a small protection fuse opens up and a power relay disconnects both the P500 and everything connected to any of the outputs on the back of the P500. Replace the small fuse and you’re back in business, your equipment is safe.

The P500 and everything connected to it will be 100% protected from any transient or surge event possible." End Qoute

It will be interesting to see how PSA will handle this. My thought is they will brush him off.