Ok, I have the 20-39 PCi sub and have really enjoyed it for movies (and music but mostly room shaking movies). We moved into a new house this year and while I've tried to find a way to fit this tall sub into the entertainment room, it isn't working :(.

So I need something that is not so tall, and fits the square or lower profile formfactor while yielding similar performance. I'm not interested in building it myself (I should clarify that, I'd love to but don't have the time - I built a pair of speakers for my senior year design project at Georgia Tech a long time ago!).

I don't have exact dimensions, but I'd like something that can sit next to the couch and almost fit in like a small table.

I'll have to sell my SVS (sigh) and would like to keep my out of pocket expenses below $700 (plus whatever I get for the SVS). So something targeted at or below $1000 perhaps.

Thoughts or ideas? Did I give enough info?

Thanks,
Wireless

So I need something that is not so tall, and fits the square or lower profile form factor while yielding similar performance.

What is that a 18"x 18" space? May need to save and get a JL or get the Svs Sb12+
Everything else is much larger for = or better performance. Can't lay it down?

Is this an issue for you or your wife?

What is wrong with it being tall and seen by a few people? can you send a few pictures so we can see what you are working with? I would tuck it in a corner of the room and call it a day...Put a fake tree in front of it if you don't want to see it...lol

To get something that will fit in the same footprint and give you at least the same performance you are looking at spending 2-3times as much as you want for a JL and I doubt the SVS SB12 is going to give you what you are used to with the room shaking...

My advice would be to do whatever you can to make your current sub work. That way you are happy with the sound, and your pockets are not getting killed with spending more cash...

You like the sound of your existing SVS. Why not sell it and get, the box version of their next better sub, the PB12 Plus? It fits your budget and will outperform what you have while meeting the WAF requirements.

Tim

You like the sound of your existing SVS. Why not sell it and get, the box version of their next better sub, the PB12 Plus? It fits your budget and will outperform what you have while meeting the WAF requirements.
I agree. I don't understand the issue. You like your SVS but need a box sub instead of a cylinder. The obvious place to look would be at the SVS site, no?

I think space is an issue??? Besides the JL what would fit= nothing with equal/ better performance if space is and issue. SB12+ will fit but performance won't be equal for movies if you like the bass shaking like you say. But if it's to tall I belive the space is small and there is a waf factor. :( poor guy

..........JL.............
The guy has a budget. And we don't know what the dimensions of his 'space' are, do we?



PB12-Plus is 25"h x 18"w x 25"d and is currently being 'blown-out' due to overstock. Custom finish for $799! Would make a lovely end-table. Unless that's too big, the choice is pretty obvious.

You like the sound of your existing SVS. Why not sell it and get, the box version of their next better sub, the PB12 Plus? It fits your budget and will outperform what you have while meeting the WAF requirements.

Tim

Since you like the sound of your 20-39PCi, OvalNut has the right idea. Getting the PB-12 Plus for $799 in a real wood finish, is a really good way to go. You will end up well within your budget.

Thanks for the replies folks. I'd take a picture but the room is not done yet so it won't show what I'm working with. The room is much smaller than the previous house, and the furniture in that room will be armchair level so the existing sub will really stick out. Prefer something like an end table, so the dimensions of the SB12 would work.

I also found the upcoming MFW-15, Hsu VTF-2 Mark III + Turbo, and also the ED AF-350 that compare in price to the SB12. Should I wait for the MFW reviews to come in assuming that will be over the next week or two? I'd like to have this setup done by the Holidays.

And I apologize for not doing my homework completely before posting this thread. That is a pet peeve of mine but I didn't do enough research (I assumed SVS was still all cylinder so didn't even check there!). One question on the SB12 - there is conflicting opinions of that sub relative to my existing 20-39. Is it comparable?

So am I right that those 4 subs, in that price range, our my options? I'm using Craigsub's ratings to help sort this out.

Thanks!

Prefer something like an end table, so the dimensions of the SB12 would work.

I also found the upcoming MFW-15, Hsu VTF-2 Mark III + Turbo, and also the ED AF-350 that compare in price to the SB12.

So am I right that those 4 subs, in that price range, our my options?
If you would consider subs the size of the MFW15 and VTF-2, then the PB12-Plus should most definitely be considered. I don't understand why you are passing it over? $799 for a custom wood finish! It would make for a gorgeous end-table. I assume the MFW15 has a wood finish, but is it even available, yet? The VTF2 (especially with the turbo attachment!) and eD would make for some butt-ugly end-tables compared to a PB12-Plus with a custom wood finish. And the SB12, although probably a great sub, would make for a pretty small end table, actually. And to get it in a custom finish is pretty expensive, too.


One question on the SB12 - there is conflicting opinions of that sub relative to my existing 20-39. Is it comparable?
It is a sealed sub and will have a different characteristic sound. I know I'll get slapped for saying it, but your cylinder probably gives you better movie performance than the SB12 would give you, but the SB12 will probably give you better music performance than your current cylinder gives you. 'Probably' being the operative word in both instances.

I don't understand why you are passing it over? $799 for a custom wood finish! It would make for a gorgeous end-table.

Because the MFW-15 could possibly outperform it for less?

At 14" high, the SB12 won't work well as an end table. You need about 24" for that, so the PB12+, at 25" high, would work well. As would the VTF3 or VTF2 or HO.

Because the MFW-15 could possibly outperform it for less?
So, where is this mythlogical MFW-15?

As would the VTF3 or VTF2 or HO.Unless you can still get a gloss black one, the finish just wouldn't be nearly as pretty as a custom finished PB12-Plus.

So, where is this mythlogical MFW-15?

Care to rephrase that question? Or do you not understand what mythological means?

Note I said "could" and even the OP said "upcoming".

Well, I was thinking about the PB-12+ but my wife said no to a gloss black finish, and the matte is not on overstock sale...

The A5-350 looks good from a spec and price view. The long delivery time sucks tho...

Decisions decisions....

Weird. I thought my wife was the only one NOT to like gloss finish. I was going to buy one. See doesn't like wood veneer either. She doesn't want the wood to compete with her furniture. The high gloss stand out. The matte black is neutral "she says". Now need to find a spot for a tower or conquest in a few mo :) go figure. What's wrong with the PB12 nsd that's on par with the 20-39 PCi

Well, I was thinking about the PB-12+ but my wife said no to a gloss black finish, and the matte is not on overstock sale...

The A5-350 looks good from a spec and price view. The long delivery time sucks tho...

Decisions decisions....But Oak, Rosenut, Cherry, and Maple are on sale. Even with Gloss Black, just put some type of cover on it. Something like a doily, a short table runner or, like I do, a small tapestry. Then you can set something decorative on top.

The PB12-NSD is an excellent option if you want the poly black finish.

Well, I was thinking about the PB-12+ but my wife said no to a gloss black finish, and the matte is not on overstock sale...

The A5-350 looks good from a spec and price view. The long delivery time sucks tho...

Decisions decisions....

The PB-12 Plus is available in Oak, Cherry, Maple, Rosenut and Piano Gloss Black. All at the Overstock sale price, you don't have to get a black finish with it. If your looking for a sub comparable to your cylinder and can be used as an end table, at these sale prices I don't see why you keep shrugging the PB-12+, to me it's a no brainer and you can get basically any finish you want.

The SB-12 plus you were looking at is only 14" square, that's a pretty low end table. I've owned one, it's a steller sub for music and is good for HT also but it's small form factor limits what it can do in comparison to the Cylinder your use to, it won't compare for HT, after living with your cylinder I think you'd be disappointed for HT.

I'm not knocking the A5-350s performance, it's a great sub, but if your wife doesn't want a gloss black finish she sure as hell won't want a truck bed liner type finish which is all the A5-350 comes in. You're not going to get a better looking/performing sub at the price they are now than the PB-12+ available in 5 different finishes.

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-plus1.cfm

Well, I got my wife to look at the different finishes (I originally told her about the other finishes and she didn't like them), and she will "go" with the rosewood finish. The room is chocolate (or expresso as she refers to it) brown leather furniture, and I have pinnacle black speakers. We are having a custom built entertainment center and storage area of dark wood (using carmelized poplar).

Of course now she saw the price so I'll have one less veto option when she wants something new...

Now my only fear is that this new MFW is not vaporware and comes out at this price and knocks the fillings out of Craigsub's teeth...maybe I'll wait a couple of weeks and see what is out there.

I think the NSD series might be too sub-performance (pun intended) relative to my existing 20-39, so I'd rather not be disappointed.

Sounds like I'm making the right choice performance wise for movies?

The Nsd and pci are equal. But the Rosewood PB12+ is my favorite. With all the back orders by the time the MFW comes ...when can you get one??? It maybe better if you can wait that long. IME with all these subs if you are comparing them side by side you won't know what you missing if much . With music, movies you won't miss a thing JMO

Care to rephrase that question? Or do you not understand what mythological means?

Note I said "could" and even the OP said "upcoming".
I like to use words I don't know the meaning of.

The MFW-15 been 'upcoming' forever. Do you a have any definitive info about a release date and price? By all means, share that info.

Well, I was thinking about the PB-12+ but my wife said no to a gloss black finish, and the matte is not on overstock sale...
What are you looking at on the SVS site? HERE (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-plus1.cfm) is a link to what you should be looking at. All the custom finishes are on sale for $799. The textured black matte finish is usually cheaper but is now actually more expensive.

Why would you choose the textured black finish over a custom wood finish, especially for use as an end-table?

What are you looking at on the SVS site? HERE (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-plus1.cfm) is a link to what you should be looking at. All the custom finishes are on sale for $799. The textured black matte finish is usually cheaper but is now actually more expensive.

Why would you choose the textured black finish over a custom wood finish, especially for use as an end-table?

That is the link I was looking at, and the matte is the one my wife would go for. But I think I've got her convinced on the rosewood (my favorite too) and I've already gotten an email and some pics from SVS (they are always good with Customer service).

I agree that even if the MFW comes thru, in my house they will all perform well.

Looks like I'm going with the rosewood PB12+! Thanks for everyone's help....again. This forum is the best.

Wireless

You can't just buy a box and put the speaker and amp into it? Would be waaaaaaaaay cheaper..

Would be waaaaaaaaay cheaper..
It'd probably sound "waaaaaaaaay cheaper", too.

You can't just drop it in a box. It COULD be done properly, if he really wanted to do that. But unless he's really good, he'd never make it look as 'professional' as a rosewood PB12+. I don't know if there was an SVS box sub that had his cylinder's driver and amp in it, but if so, SVS 'might' be able to provide him with only the box and its innards, but I doubt it.

It'd probably sound "waaaaaaaaay cheaper", too.

You can't just drop it in a box. It COULD be done properly, if he really wanted to do that. But unless he's really good, he'd never make it look as 'professional' as a rosewood PB12+. I don't know if there was an SVS box sub that had his cylinder's driver and amp in it, but if so, SVS 'might' be able to provide him with only the box and its innards, but I doubt it.

I didn't say Bob Vila it and make it yourself.. I'm sure somewhere on the net someone sells great looking boxes. And it was a suggestion..

You can't just buy a box and put the speaker and amp into it? Would be waaaaaaaaay cheaper..

I thought about this as I'm having someone professionally build our custom entertainment center, and I might be able to pay him to put together a cabinet. But the negatives are;

Cost - it would cost ~$400 or so for the box to be made, plus amp/speaker
Design - the box would need to be tuned (remember I did this in college and I don't have the equipment to do it now)
SVS sub - Those boxes are excellent and will look like a nice piece of furniture in my room.
Time - Done deal buying it from SVS, at a reasonable price!

I thought about this as I'm having someone professionally build our custom entertainment center, and I might be able to pay him to put together a cabinet. But the negatives are;

Cost - it would cost ~$400 or so for the box to be made, plus amp/speaker
Design - the box would need to be tuned (remember I did this in college and I don't have the equipment to do it now)
SVS sub - Those boxes are excellent and will look like a nice piece of furniture in my room.
Time - Done deal buying it from SVS, at a reasonable price!

Well I have the PB12+ and if you go that route it's more than worth it. It shakes the hell out of my 13x10x10 room..

Well I have the PB12+ and if you go that route it's more than worth it. It shakes the hell out of my 13x10x10 room..

Thanks, I ordered it today. Your room is similar to mine. Do you have it tuned for 16 or 20 Hz?

Thanks, I ordered it today.
What finish? :)

What finish? :)

The rosewood of course! Here is a performance comparison that SVS emailed me:

"If you have the 20-39 PCi, the PB12-Plus is almost 2X stronger (more power, better woofer, 80% more port area)."

Thanks Sivadselim, you were a big help!

Now who wants to buy a 20-39...:cool:

wireless

Thanks, I ordered it today. Your room is similar to mine. Do you have it tuned for 16 or 20 Hz?

LOL, my room is 99% smaller than anyones on here and I also display a 106" screen in that room.. Must use a small couch..

As for tuning, I have all the ports open.. Not sure what it's tuned at..

As for tuning, I have all the ports open.. Not sure what it's tuned at..

The sub is tuned by blocking the ports (they sent you two 'plugs'). Here (http://www.sdinfo.com/volume_13_1/svs-pb12-plus-subwoofer-1-2006-part-1.html) is a good review of the sub, as well as the performance differences between the different port tunes. Right now you are tuned to 20 Hz and your only real alternative is to tune it to 16 Hz which gets you a bit more boost at the very bottom but takes slightly away in the mids.

Well, I was thinking about the PB-12+ but my wife said no to a gloss black finish
Man I'm so glad I'm divorced some times........LOL

You said you really really like your 20-39PCI............well keep it.
Or find something of hers you don't like and say hey we need to get rid of this. When she says NO well there ya go compromise......right ...her stuff stays your stuff stays........
Sigh .........maybe I should be a marriage counselor.

I have the black gloss and it's seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexy. Why does your wife not one that?

I have the black gloss and it's seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexy. Why does your wife not one that?

Because that would not go with the rest of the other laid back furniture...now stop asking me about this as I'm having to think like an interior designer and I'm not to good at that!:D

Man I'm so glad I'm divorced some times........LOL

You said you really really like your 20-39PCI............well keep it.
Or find something of hers you don't like and say hey we need to get rid of this. When she says NO well there ya go compromise......right ...her stuff stays your stuff stays........
Sigh .........maybe I should be a marriage counselor.

Haha, that was the attitude I had in my first marraige...:cool:

Haha, that was the attitude I had in my first marraige...
Third time's a charm. :eek: :D

"I fell in love with music before I fell in love with you." -- Divorced Musician

Well, I was thinking about the PB-12+ but my wife said no to a gloss black finish, and the matte is not on overstock sale...

The A5-350 looks good from a spec and price view. The long delivery time sucks tho...

Decisions decisions....

LONG DELIVERY TIME BUT WELL WORTH THE WAIT

Because that would not go with the rest of the other laid back furniture...now stop asking me about this as I'm having to think like an interior designer and I'm not to good at that!:D



Haha, that was the attitude I had in my first marraige...:cool:

We learn from our successes and we learn more from our failures.

Third time's a charm. :eek: :D3rd time and you're a masochist...

Man I'm so glad I'm divorced some times........LOL

You said you really really like your 20-39PCI............well keep it.
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He ended up with a better sub per Svs so you can't beat that.

TWO SVS's ON EBAY IN THE NORTHWEST. "SVS SUBWOOFERS".