Serious question that I am sure has been discussed here before. Arguments for why one HDM name is better than the other...

Blu-ray: Not DVD. Something new that requires a new player. Cool name.

HD-DVD: The high definition cousin of the regular DVD. Simple to understand terminology.

I happen to believe that HD-DVD is the logical name for the next step in optical technology but others obviously disagree.

My real question is, has blu-ray started to second guess it's name?

All advertising I see for blu-ray is referring to blu-ray exclusively as "Blu-ray Hi-Def".

Are they starting to realize that Blu-ray does not indicate to J6P that it is indeed the next step in optical technology and doesn't clearly indicate the quality?

Serious question that I am sure has been discussed here before. Arguments for why one HDM name is better than the other...

Blu-ray: Not DVD. Something new that requires a new player. Cool name.

HD-DVD: The high definition cousin of the regular DVD. Simple to understand terminology.

I happen to believe that HD-DVD is the logical name for the next step in optical technology but others obviously disagree.

My real question is, has blu-ray started to second guess it's name?

All advertising I see for blu-ray is referring to blu-ray exclusively as "Blu-ray Hi-Def".

Are they starting to realize that Blu-ray does not indicate to J6P that it is indeed the next step in optical technology and doesn't clearly indicate the quality?

so what about the people who get confused because they have a regular DVD player hooked up to their high def TV, but they think they have HD DVD capability???

Blu-ray is a species of fish.

Initially I definitely thought the name "HD DVD" was the way to go. Obviously the BDG couldn't use that. blu-ray was what they came up with; fine.

It wasn't until reports of people returning HD DVDs because they couldn't play on their $40 Magnavox that I began to realize the pitfall of that name.

At this point I give the nod to "blu-ray HiDef" for having the best potential to educate the public that HDM is something new that requires new hardware.

JMHO, of course.

My real question is, has blu-ray started to second guess it's name?

All advertising I see for blu-ray is referring to blu-ray exclusively as "Blu-ray Hi-Def".

Are they starting to realize that Blu-ray does not indicate to J6P that it is indeed the next step in optical technology and doesn't clearly indicate the quality?

On TV adds for new movies I hear "available on DVD and BluRay disk". If tag lines like this and "BluRay Hi-Def" are used enough, it becomes part of the public consciousness. It's cool, it's Blu. With enough marketing, its a fine name. It even rolls off the tongue a lot better than HD DVD.

so what about the people who get confused because they have a regular DVD player hooked up to their high def TV, but they think they have HD DVD capability???

No I totally agree that HD-DVD can be confusing. But it is clear to the consumer that it is High definition.

If someone says "hey do you want blu-ray for xmas?" the person might not have ANY idea as to what that is.

But if someone asks "hey do you want an hd-dvd for xmas?" the same person would likely know that it is some sort of optical disc technology that is high definition.

I'll be surprised if the name "Blu Ray" becomes the standard for next gen format. It just doesn't sound right to me. Kinda like "Beta-Max" and "VHS". Can you imagine people saying "hey, pop in the beta max" or "hey, lets go shopping for some new Blu Rays"

I'm consistently surprised at the amount of people that think their 1080p upconverting HDMI player hooked up with components is HD DVD.

There's a few floating in my own family even.... :rolleyes: But we won't go there...



I think the pitfall of the HD DVD name is the fact that upconverting players are advertising DVD in HD.

While I have no preference in name, when someone says Blu-ray, there's no doubt in my mind they're talking about Blu-ray. When someone mentions HD DVD, I immediately second guess them based on experience.

Actually, I've thought from the beginning (years ago...back when I thought HD DVD's time to market lead would crush Blu-ray) that Blu-ray was a FAR better name.

The reasons are pretty simply; HDM only survives meaninfully if it gets adopted by the mass market (over several years, of course). To buy into a new format like this people want a revolutionary product, not an evolutionary one. And because HDM uses the same size disks as CD and DVD, it was always going to be a harder sell.

Regardless of how you feel about the formats, HD DVD doesn't not SOUND revolutionary. It can be (and frequently is) confused with upscaling DVD players. We've already seen this in the lengthy number of posts at Amazon by people who were pissed because they bought the Planet Earth HD DVD set and were upset because it wouldn't play on their HD DVD players.

Blu-ray sounds very different, and when it's name is explaned to you it conveys the technological upgrade that the format offers. Of course HD DVD also uses a blue laser, but nothing in it's decidely evolutionary name converys that.

Anyways, that's just my opinion (also based on an informal poll of people I know interested in HT, as well as asking a few corporate marketers). I'm sure MSFToshiba had their reasons (implied continuity with DVD), but I'm not sure their reasons weren't tailored more to studios and corporations than to customers.

Not that it really matters to the format war now, but I've never understood people who think that HD DVD is a "better" name. Self-explanatory is not "better" when the explanation people give themselves is often wrong (but I already own an upscaling player).

I've noticed a lot of people saying "Blu Ray DVD". I think the in the recent interviews with Sam Raimi re: Spiderman, he refers to it like that.

HD-DVD's mistaken identity issues stem from the Best Buy ad I see every week that has the $70 Toshiba upconverting player with that little blurb that says "Near HD quality".

Never underestimate people's ability to erase the "Near" from their brains.

Blu-ray on the other hand has the unenviable task of starting from scratch.

Both have challenges ahead. :-)

Blu-ray Hi Definition sounds new and different.
HD DVD gets lost in the mix with upconvert players that can do 1080p HD.

I could care less about the names but the common consumer may be confused or
believe that an HD DVD player is just another upconverting HD player that requires special discs whereas Blu-ray is a new name and promotes the phrase "Hi Definition" instead of "HD" to seperate itself from being grouped with upconvert 1080p HD players for $50.

Having HD DVD player prices near the high end upconvert player prices may also have the consumer assume that an HD DVD player is just a high end upconvert player that requires special discs.

Having HD DVD player prices near the high end upconvert player prices may also have the consumer assume that an HD DVD player is just a high end upconvert player that requires special discs.

Shoot, so long as they think that, at least they'll work! ^_^

You guys should talk to the companies that own Kleenex and Q-Tip. Ask then how well those two product names have worked out. Oh . . and stop by Atlanta and talk to the people at Coke.

I don't know. I think "Blu-Ray Hi-Def" is a good marketing and awareness line.

You guys should talk to the companies that own Kleenex and Q-Tip. Ask then how well those two product names have worked out. Oh . . and stop by Atlanta and talk to the people at Coke.

Ah, but these were from a different generation of marketing. Read "The Purple Cow" by Seth Goddin. No one will ever get a product name to become the product. (Remember when people called video games "Nintendo" in the late 80's?) The market environment for pulling that off doesn't exist anymore. (For better or for worse...)

Ah, but these were from a different generation of marketing. Read "The Purple Cow" by Seth Goddin. No one will ever get a product name to become the product. (Remember when people called video games "Nintendo" in the late 80's?) The market environment for pulling that off doesn't exist anymore. (For better or for worse...)

Well it was always very simple for me to understand. I mean there is TV and there is HDTV. There is DVD and there is HD DVD. Is that confusing?:confused:

And they go together like peanut butter and jelly . . . or is that a reference to the past?;)

Just two weeks ago my parents bought a new plasma; I gave them a list of specs, and they came back (luckily the salesman matched most of them, although I wouldn't have recommended the new Hitachis myself) and they said "It wasn't the exact one you said, but it was HDTV and futureproof, we asked the salesman".

That's it; the only "specs" they knew ever after asking was that it was "HDTV" and "futureproof", although not exactly what either meant.

And they both have master's degrees. So, anyways, I think "HD DVD" is not clear enough, while Blu-ray says "new product" even if they do have to teach consumers the new term.

i like blu-ray name better than hd dvd, i think it's important we associate the new formats by a different moniker instead of somethign related to a former format. i think it's important to separate the next-gen format from the sd discs.

Well it was always very simple for me to understand. I mean there is TV and there is HDTV. There is DVD and there is HD DVD. Is that confusing?:confused:

And they go together like peanut butter and jelly . . . or is that a reference to the past?;)

not confusing for the likes of us who know the difference between hd dvd and dvd upconverted to hd. but for someone just looking into the hd formats it can be.

Well it was always very simple for me to understand. I mean there is TV and there is HDTV. There is DVD and there is HD DVD. Is that confusing?:confused:

And they go together like peanut butter and jelly . . . or is that a reference to the past?;)

Well, as it turns out, sliced bread was a flop when it first came out. :-)

But anyway, I see your point on the TV and HDTV vs DVD and HD-DVD. The problem is when the previous technology (DVD) encroaches on the current one with confusing terminology.

It's not like they could make analog NTSC TV sets that said "Near HD quality". ^_^

And even when 480p tv's were all the rage, at least they still worked when you gave them the signal. (and yes, they still made your DVDs look 'clearer'.)

Just two weeks ago my parents bought a new plasma; I gave them a list of specs, and they came back (luckily the salesman matched most of them, although I wouldn't have recommended the new Hitachis myself) and they said "It wasn't the exact one you said, but it was HDTV and futureproof, we asked the salesman".

That's it; the only "specs" they knew ever after asking was that it was "HDTV" and "futureproof", although not exactly what either meant.

And they both have master's degrees. So, anyways, I think "HD DVD" is not clear enough, while Blu-ray says "new product" even if they do have to teach consumers the new term.


I have people all the time ask me about TV's. So I do the research, find out the best value for their dollar and one that will look good and won't crap out. Then they come home with some completely different thing because the place didn't have it, they didn't see it right away, or 'but...this one was on sale'...

Really "Grinds my gears" :D

I have people all the time ask me about TV's. So I do the research, find out the best value for their dollar and one that will look good and won't crap out. Then they come home with some completely different thing because the place didn't have it, they didn't see it right away, or 'but...this one was on sale'...

Really "Grinds my gears" :D


GAH! You soooo hit on a pet peeve of mine! Then when something doesn't work quite right, we're guilty by association! What the heck is that all about? :-)

GAH! You soooo hit on a pet peeve of mine! Then when something doesn't work quite right, we're guilty by association! What the heck is that all about? :-)

YUP!

I think the best one was recently. They wanted a plasma. I told them to get an LCD because of their viewing habbits and occasional ADD. (ie. Dinner time, so let's pause the movie while we go eat for 45 minutes)...


After picking them out a TV and explaining constantly why a plasma would NOT be a good choice (IR, Burn in, weight of the TV itself...) They came home with a plasma...

And wouldn't you know it? I got a phone call in a week, sure as $%*T..... "Theres an image on top of the image... it won't go away... what's wrong with the TV?... Can you come look at it and fix it?"


:mad:

i like blu-ray name better than hd dvd, i think it's important we associate the new formats by a different moniker instead of somethign related to a former format. i think it's important to separate the next-gen format from the sd discs.

Ahhhhh . . . here lies the problem. HDM is not a revolutionary format. It is a evolutionary format. That blue disc in your hand looks like a blue DVD. Put a VHS in your left hand and a DVD in your right. See any similarity?

So IMO it is better to have a name that people have some understanding about - or at least they think they do:o because they do have a DVD player and DVD's in the house.

And the fact that the Twin and Combo were in the HD DVD specs right from the beginning, have a format name that not only has DVD in it - but also a format that can deliver both video streams . . . SD and HD. Then the only thing necessary is the right player and an HDTV (which is pretty much the defacto standard when shopping for a new TV).

BTW - another BDA lie . . . the "ray" is purple not blue.:D

Blu-ray sounds very different, and when it's name is explaned to you it conveys the technological upgrade that the format offers.


That is the problem with the bluray name right there, you always have to explain it. Essentially, you are saying that you like the fact that it is not self explanatory.

Clearly, those on the front lines aren't as comfortable with letting bluray stand on it's own. I saw a sign at the Sony Style store near me the other day referring to "blu-ray discs", and on a poster for a Columbia movie yesterday I saw "blu-ray Hi Def". You have to "explain" to the customer that its a disc?

Lets not even get into the hyphen no hypen thing!

i like blu-ray name better than hd dvd, i think it's important we associate the new formats by a different moniker instead of somethign related to a former format. i think it's important to separate the next-gen format from the sd discs.

Kind of like:
Analog ->Digital
Tape - >CD
VHS - > DVD
DVD -> Blu-ray

That is the problem with the bluray name right there, you always have to explain it. Essentially, you are saying that you like the fact that it is not self explanatory.

Clearly, those on the front lines aren't as comfortable with letting bluray stand on it's own. I saw a sign at the Sony Style store near me the other day referring to "blu-ray discs", and on a poster for a Columbia movie yesterday I saw "blu-ray Hi Def". You have to "explain" to the customer that its a disc?

Lets not even get into the hyphen no hypen thing!

I get less headaches explaining something to someone when it's a clean slate, than someone sitting there argueing with me what the Best Buy salesman told him, and how I must be wrong. ;)

Kind of like:
Analog ->Digital
Tape - >CD
VHS - > DVD
DVD -> Blu-ray

OOps! . . spelling error . . fixed it for you.:)

Analog ->Digital
Tape - >CD
VHS - > DVD
DVD -> HD DVD

:D

My guess as to why movies are being marketed as "blu-ray high def" instead of just blu-ray...

Some marketing firm probably took a survey and found out most people think blu-ray is a 'playstation 3' format and nothing more (kinda like umd is for the psp). thus the inclusion of 'high def' in the blu-ray name.

Ahhhhh . . . here lies the problem. HDM is not a revolutionary format. It is a evolutionary format. That blue disc in your hand looks like a blue DVD. Put a VHS in your left hand and a DVD in your right. See any similarity?

So IMO it is better to have a name that people have some understanding about - or at least they think they do:o because they do have a DVD player and DVD's in the house.

And the fact that the Twin and Combo were in the HD DVD specs right from the beginning, have a format name that not only has DVD in it - but also a format that can deliver both video streams . . . SD and HD. Then the only thing necessary is the right player and an HDTV (which is pretty much the defacto standard when shopping for a new TV).

And the reason it will not take off.

Blu-Ray is a revolutionary product that can catch the imagination of the consumers and fly. DVD is pop's product, BD is the new generation. Worked for Pepsi.

Ahhhhh . . . here lies the problem. HDM is not a revolutionary format. It is a evolutionary format. That blue disc in your hand looks like a blue DVD. Put a VHS in your left hand and a DVD in your right. See any similarity?

So IMO it is better to have a name that people have some understanding about - or at least they think they do:o because they do have a DVD player and DVD's in the house.

And the fact that the Twin and Combo were in the HD DVD specs right from the beginning, have a format name that not only has DVD in it - but also a format that can deliver both video streams . . . SD and HD. Then the only thing necessary is the right player and an HDTV (which is pretty much the defacto standard when shopping for a new TV).

what you say would make sense imo only if all hd dvds can play in current dvd players. when a new player is required to play the format, it is not evolutionary. they may be based on the same technology, but they are not the same, evolutionary imo would be to use DVD discs (put a 9mbps vc1/avc encode on it with 640kbps/1.5mbps audio) in current DVD players and display native hd resolutions. when a new player is required, the new format should not try to associate itself with the old format.

My guess as to why movies are being marketed as "blu-ray high def" instead of just blu-ray...

Some marketing firm probably took a survey and found out most people think blu-ray is a 'playstation 3' format and nothing more (kinda like umd is for the psp). thus the inclusion of 'high def' in the blu-ray name.

guess just calling it blu-ray makes consumers curious and they try to find out what it is. whereas hd dvd can be looked at as, "oh dvd in hd, my player does that already, 1080p". i'm not just saying this b/c i'm a blu-ray supporter either.

No one will ever get a product name to become the product. (Remember when people called video games "Nintendo" in the late 80's?) The market environment for pulling that off doesn't exist anymore. (For better or for worse...)

TiVo, to a lesser extent i-pod.

Whether isn't upconverted or not, most people think that simply plugging their DVD player in their widescreen TV is HD DVD.

Initially I definitely thought the name "HD DVD" was the way to go. Obviously the BDG couldn't use that. blu-ray was what they came up with; fine.

It wasn't until reports of people returning HD DVDs because they couldn't play on their $40 Magnavox that I began to realize the pitfall of that name.

At this point I give the nod to "blu-ray HiDef" for having the best potential to educate the public that HDM is something new that requires new hardware.

JMHO, of course.

Funny story RE this issue that just happened this weekend. My wife and I were at the BBQ of a co-worker who has the A2.

He mentioned that a friend had accidentally purchased the HD version of Transformers only to discover it wouldn't play in their upconverting DVD player so they brought it over and sold it to him.

They (20+ people at BBQ) all watched Transformers in HD on his 1080P 61" DLP and were all immediately sold on HD DVD and all asked him about where they could get a player.

:D

Personally I feel blu-ray is a stupid name. It doesn't sound "technical" and it doesn't mean anything. I also ABHORE product names that are spelled incorrectly. It's gimicky, sounds stupid, and doesn't even begin to describe what a Blu-ray disc is.

When you mention HD DVD to someone, you never get the deer in headlights look that you do when you mention blu-ray to someone. EVERYBODY knows what HD is.

Further, Sony is really walking a double edged sword here. They want to raise public awareness that the PS3 is a blu-ray player which they need to do, but if they aren't careful and don't start selling some stand alone players FAST, people will associate Blu-ray as a proprietary format to the PS3. Just like they do with UMD for the PSP.

Funny story RE this issue that just happened this weekend. My wife and I were at the BBQ of a co-worker who has the A2.

He mentioned that a friend had accidentally purchased the HD version of Transformers only to discover it wouldn't play in their upconverting DVD player so they brought it over and sold it to him.

They (20+ people at BBQ) all watched Transformers in HD on his 1080P 61" DLP and were all immediately sold on HD DVD and all asked him about where they could get a player.

:D

That is really the key to HD. The bigger the display - the better it looks.:D

The term HD DVD as a branding element has advantages over Blu-ray in both its simplicity and self explanatory nature.

It also naturally matches HD DVD with HD TV. HD is seen a a new technology, and of course using the same DVD forum logo design, makes HD DVD an implied brand extension of a well regarded consumer mass market brand "DVD"

Disadvantages is the confusion with upconverting DVD players, although if HD DVD prices drop as much as they have been, it soon will replace upconverting players in the marketplace, so that problem may be reduced over time.

Blu-ray is a more techie name, but needs to be explained. It also skews younger and more affluent , as the color blue in marketing terms, going back to Coke versus Pepsi is seen as more expensive, more techy, more young, more urban than red or maroon.

Any issues with the Blu-ray name, can be overcome with enough money spent , and I think the Blu-ray High Def term is an attempt to do that.

But the core HD DVD advantage that it matches HDTV, and is a brand extension of a trusted brand name , ie. DVD and is obvious what it means, still remains.

BTW both colors schemes and names are perfect matches for the two HDM formats and their marketing strategies and market positioning.

Blue is seen as younger, more revolutionary, more techy, more edgy and is perfect for going with the PS3 and a younger demographic. think of most consumer goods you see using bright blue color schemes, like American Express Blue, or Pepsi, or auto ad for vehicles targeted at younger demos.

Red or Maroon, is see as more stable, evolutionary and safe, more mature and traditional.

Think red painted rural barns, Coke or other traditional retailers.

Both colors perfectly match the two formats marketing and advertising strategies.

Personally I think Blu-ray HD would've been the best compromise. Blu-ray? Don't know what that is. HD-DVD? Oh I already have one of those.

They misspelled it.

Blu-Ray is a revolutionary product that can catch the imagination of the consumers and fly. DVD is pop's product, BD is the new generation. Worked for Pepsi.

1. blu-ray, or is it BD, is not revolutionary.
2. HD anything is pops product
3. The new generation are not into BD or Pepsi anymore than any other generation.
4. Ask someone what a Pepsi is, they won't say "it's a Coke with a slightly different flavor". Ask someone what bluray is, and if they know at all, they'll say something like "hidef dvd player", or even worse, "its an hd dvd player".
5. Ask anyone what a HDDVD player is. I doubt you will get anyone to say, "well, it's a blu-ray player that...."

And I believe coke sells more than pepsi worldwide.

Blu-ray is just another case of the Japanese butchering the English language.

1. blu-ray, or is it BD, is not revolutionary.
2. HD anything is pops product
3. The new generation are not into BD or Pepsi anymore than any other generation.
4. Ask someone what a Pepsi is, they won't say "it's a Coke with a slightly different flavor". Ask someone what bluray is, and if they know at all, they'll say something like "hidef dvd player", or even worse, "its an hd dvd player".
5. Ask anyone what a HDDVD player is. I doubt you will get anyone to say, "well, it's a blu-ray player that...."

1. It is if they market it that way! Perception is reality, Marketing 101

2. I have a step sister in the 20 something range. Her male friends are buying flat panels and HD gaming systems.

3. HD is growing, younger people have more disposable income and more time to care than people in their 30s and 40s. Think kids and other responsibilities.

4. Have you even been back East? I can barely find Coke. Anyway, Pepsi was just an example.

5. Agreed. Is it an advantage? Again, Blu is new and hot, (HD) DVD is old hat.

Lastly, old data but Pepsi sells more according to this.

http://money.cnn.com/2002/05/10/pf/investing/q_cola/index.htm

"Sales at PepsiCo have increased an average of 8.4 percent over the past five years, helped by new items such as Baked Lay's and energy drinks, compared with 6.5 percent for Atlanta- based Coca-Cola, which gets 80 percent of sales from soda."

From

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afQLcKddyBmM&refer=home

And I believe coke sells more than pepsi worldwide.

Actually, I've recently heard that Pepsi is outselling Coke now.

Kind of like:
Analog ->Digital
Tape - >CD
VHS - > DVD
DVD -> Blu-ray

You forgot about DVHS! LOL!

As I have spent a couple years in college for marketing (ended up changing my major, thank god) I would much rather have to create an image for a optical disc called Blu-Ray.

This is because of all the upconverting DVD players HD claims. HD-DVD will mislead J6P much easier than a term like Blu-Ray.

Much about the effects of the upscale=HD claims, (and in some cases actual stickers on players claiming Full HD 1080p) may really hurt the HD-DVD as a brand. Many posts about this have showed up lately in HDM doomsday threads. This hurts HD-DVD as a name way more than BD.

J6P Thinks "my Sony DVD player has a Full HD 1080p sticker on it, so this 1080p HD DVD must work" only to find out that he has to return an opened movie to a store (good luck). When it comes time for this guy to adopt, he will have a built in resentment for HD DVD.

Many marketing studies show the negative effects of bad experiences with products actually leading to disdain towards the brand in the future.

Is this scientific? Hell no. This is just my input as a former student of advertising aka "selling matches in hell"

Does this reflect anything about tech specs of two formats? Hell M'F'n No! I wouldn't touch on that subject on this board with YOUR keyboard!!!

It sounds really stupid when Michael Imperioli says "H D D V D" in his old commercials.
Blu-Ray sounds better and rolls of the tongue much better.

I like the HD DVD name, Blu-ray is OK - but when they say "Coming on Blu-ray DISC" it's kind of annoying. Yes, it's a disc, tyvm. It's a hard sounding word coming off a soft one (or two), and sounds a bit weird.

Blu-Ray sounds better and rolls of the tongue much better.
Indeed. Two syllables is good, 3 is ok, 4 is pushing it, but 5 is just annoying. HDVD (or HD-VD) would've worked just as well.

It sounds really stupid when Michael Imperioli says "H D D V D" in his old commercials.
Blu-Ray sounds better and rolls of the tongue much better.

Blew Ray sounds absolutely stupid. I'm embarrassed just to say it.

Worse than blue tooth.

Go Buck Rogers with his blu-ray! Cutting edge!

I hope BDA doesn't succeed just so I don't have to say that dumb name for the next 7 years.

Funny story RE this issue that just happened this weekend. My wife and I were at the BBQ of a co-worker who has the A2.

He mentioned that a friend had accidentally purchased the HD version of Transformers only to discover it wouldn't play in their upconverting DVD player so they brought it over and sold it to him.

They (20+ people at BBQ) all watched Transformers in HD on his 1080P 61" DLP and were all immediately sold on HD DVD and all asked him about where they could get a player.

:D

I wonder why, after all they didn't get the massive benefit of seeing it in "full" 1080p and had to watch in horrible 1080i. :rolleyes:

The entire reason the DVD consortium named the new format HD DVD was because it is an evolution of DVD technology. The benefit being that DVD hardware and software manufacturing plants only need some minor upgrades to start pumping out HDDVD. Maybe that's why HDDVD is a finalized spec while BluRay is still stuck at profile 1.0.

The entire reason the DVD consortium named the new format HD DVD was because it is an evolution of DVD technology. The benefit being that DVD hardware and software manufacturing plants only need some minor upgrades to start pumping out HDDVD. Maybe that's why HDDVD is a finalized spec while BluRay is still stuck at profile 1.0.

hddvd is not in final spec. I'd bet my left nut on that. Especially with the questionable 51gb triple layered discs if those ever come out. Blu-ray is at profile 1.0 but like that matters to the public. Hell that doesn't even matter to most enthusiasts (other than fanboys online). I doubt many home theater salesmen even hear the word profile during their sales.

hddvd is not in final spec. I'd bet my left nut on that. Especially with the questionable 51gb triple layered discs if those ever come out. Blu-ray is at profile 1.0 but like that matters to the public. Hell that doesn't even matter to most enthusiasts (other than fanboys online). I doubt many home theater salesmen even hear the word profile during their sales.

So why is the BDA even bothering with profile 1.1 and 2.0? It sure seems to matter to them. I doubt the average person cares about bitrates or lossless audio but that hasn't stopped the Blu Bois from bringing it up relentlessly. As for the TL51, you're right that it may never come out, it isn't a priority nor should it be.

Blu Ray..isn't that the thing that killed Crocodile Dundee? :D

Fire!

HD DVD is difficult to pronounce than Blu-ray.
Japanese pronounce HD DVD was ECHU-DEE-DEE-VEE-DEE and Blu-ray as BURU-RAY.

HD DVD is difficult to pronounce than Blu-ray.
Japanese pronounce HD DVD was ECHU-DEE-DEE-VEE-DEE and Blu-ray as BURU-RAY.

lol

HD DVD is difficult to pronounce than Blu-ray.
Japanese pronounce HD DVD was ECHU-DEE-DEE-VEE-DEE and Blu-ray as BURU-RAY.

Who Cares! Japanese will make any excuse to kiss Sony's Ass.

Count me among those who initially thought HD-DVD was the superior name since it seemed to jsut make sense. Then I tried to explain the difference between an upscaling DVD player and an HD-DVD player to a friend buying a new TV - yikes. The same conversation with Bluray was much easier.

Funny story RE this issue that just happened this weekend. My wife and I were at the BBQ of a co-worker who has the A2.

He mentioned that a friend had accidentally purchased the HD version of Transformers only to discover it wouldn't play in their upconverting DVD player so they brought it over and sold it to him.

They (20+ people at BBQ) all watched Transformers in HD on his 1080P 61" DLP and were all immediately sold on HD DVD and all asked him about where they could get a player.

:D
NICE!!!

Blu Ray..isn't that the thing that killed Crocodile Dundee? :D

hey sorry for being off on this.. but what os are you running? I am using vista and am trying to get my x1250 fatality i90hd integrated graphics working with my sharp aquos and I saw you got it working. can you pm me an email address so I can ask you a question or two??

thanks

Who Cares! Japanese will make any excuse to kiss Sony's Ass.

This myth that Sony is an all-powerful force in Japan really has to stop. All it shows is the ignorance of the people who keep spewing it. Anyone who has any real experience with Japanese consumers will know that this hasn't been the case for quite some time. In fact, the best-selling standalone Blu-ray deck in Japan almost since it's introduction last winter is a Panasonic HDD/Blu-ray recorder (we even have one at my workplace). Among the new 2008 models that were introduced at CEATEC this year, Panasonic got more press than Sony did.

The overwhelming popularity of HDD/disc recorders in Japan (DVD standalone players are discount bin items in most stores) is another reason why the HD-DVD name doesn't work with many Japanese consumers. On first glance, most Japanese consumers think that it's just another standard-definition HDD/DVD recorder. The fact that high definition is called "Hi-Vision" here also means that the acronym HD (by itself or combined with other acronyms) doesn't have the same impact or meaning as it does in English-speaking countries. Go to Akihabara and ask for an HD projector and there's a good chance you'll get blank looks even from people who work in the business. Say "Hi-Vision projector" and you'll probably have more luck. Only recently with the use of "Full HD" for 1080p devices is "HD" as a marketing term starting to make some headway.

Blu-ray is just another case of the Japanese butchering the English language.

As if America does do that enough on its own. lol.

Blu Ray..isn't that the thing that killed Crocodile Dundee? :D


Croc Dundee is dead?

Let not forget explaining "Why is it called 8-track when I can only cruise through 4 tracks?" :)

HD DVD is difficult to pronounce than Blu-ray.
Japanese pronounce HD DVD was ECHU-DEE-DEE-VEE-DEE and Blu-ray as BURU-RAY.

LMAO ... :D:D

Good one! :p

Kind of like:
Analog ->Digital
Tape - >CD
VHS - > DVD
DVD -> Blu-ray

lol, so where does Beta, Minidisc, and UMD fit in there?

I think the name "Blu-ray" is better, for a few reasons:

1) It's unique.
2) It's two syllables (not 5).
3) It doesn't get confused with HD upconverting players (or even HDVD, an Asian bootleg format).
4) It doesn't confuse search engines as much.

Nevertheless, I bought HD DVD. ;)

never mind